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Title: Things are heating up in Iraq.
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URL Source: http://blog.cindyiniraq.com/2009/04 ... -moment-of-silence-please.aspx
Published: Apr 9, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-04-09 13:40:37 by PSUSA
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April 8th & 9th, 2004 a bloody day for all in Iraq.

The days preceding the 8th & 9th were not easy days. Things were heating up all over Iraq. On April 7th, I took a convoy through Baghdad. We had problems on Sword, blockage, IED's planted on the frontage road, ect... Then on April 8th & 9th the shit hit the fan.

I made this post on April 9th.

I know everyone has been watching the news, and I am sure there are some concerns. I still have not seen the news. I have been real busy to not be busy and have not had the chance to watch it. I hear what is going on up north and on my way down a few days ago, experienced a bit of it. I want to be truthful with everyone, but I don't want to cause undue fear. Yes it is getting hotter in Iraq. And if you will remember, I believe I told everyone that it was going to get that way several months ago. I wont lie to ya'll, our convoys are getting hit more often now. People are getting hurt, and some even killed. A few days ago, I heard a rumor that a convoy was hit and hit hard. I had several friends up there and was as worried about them as I am sure ya'll are about me. I found out it was a Turkish convoy and they had done something that they should not have done. It doesn't lessen the loss for their families, but understand, I will not leave a camp without escort. Yesterday, 3 convoys were hit. One was a KBR flatbed convoy from Arifjan. (read the rest here)

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#1. To: All (#0)
The pics are from a Qualcomm satellite comm display that most trucks use.
It goes both ways, like email.
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PSUSA posted on 2009-04-09 13:42:17 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: PSUSA (#0)
hmmmm...i haven't seen anything in the news about this, have you?

christine posted on 2009-04-09 13:52:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: christine (#2)
No, but that doesn't surprise me any.
If they are not .mil casualties, they just don't count.
And I was thinking of going over there to be a driver about 3 years ago. It just happened that a driver that was over there talked me out of it.
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PSUSA posted on 2009-04-09 13:55:50 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: PSUSA (#0)
Does the violence matter since Obama is pulling the troops out?

Jethro Tull posted on 2009-04-09 13:58:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: PSUSA (#3)
The exposure to DU, alone, should be enough to keep any thinking person out of that part of the world.
A friend who was there for HW's adventure in the desert was in the munitions disposal group: he said that they would just pile up all the munitions in various locales and then blow them up, with no protective gear on the troops.
About three years later, here at home in Austin, he died when his guts 'turned to jelly' as his doctor described it.
Iran Truth Now!
Lod posted on 2009-04-09 14:03:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: christine (#2)
Christine, I screwed up. Look at the date on the pics. 2004.
This story is no good. If you can delete it, please do. If not, no problem, consider it a monument to a careless mistake.
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PSUSA posted on 2009-04-09 14:03:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: PSUSA (#6)
This story is no good.

I disagree: this story has been in effect for six years now, and shows no sign of ever stopping, no matter what aka says.
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Lod posted on 2009-04-09 14:06:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: lodwick, Jethro Tull, (#5)
ping to post #6. My mistake.
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PSUSA posted on 2009-04-09 14:06:11 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: PSUSA (#0)
Speaking of the criminal contractor known as KBR:
County cuts out of KRB deal
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Sam Houston posted on 2009-04-09 14:08:01 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: lodwick (#7)
I just hate that I was careless, and that made the OP an outdated story.
It would be interesting to see what's happening now though, now that obamessiah still has to sneak into the country after we liberated the ungrateful ay-rabs. /snicker/.
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PSUSA posted on 2009-04-09 14:10:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: PSUSA, christine, All (#10)
I just hate that I was careless, and that made the OP an outdated story.

Your wanton carelessness is unforgivable.
As punishment, I think Chrissy should be forced to give me a severe spanking.
Maybe over several days or weeks.
Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
Esso posted on 2009-04-09 14:17:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: Sam Houston (#9)
Excellent news from our neighbors to the southeast.
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Lod posted on 2009-04-09 14:31:40 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: Esso (#11)
You know, that is based on historical fact.
Not that I am saying Christine is some kind of dominatrix, but royalty used to have a designated whipping boy.
That would have come in handy when I was a kid. Too bad my blood is red and not blue.
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PSUSA posted on 2009-04-09 14:42:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: PSUSA, Esso, all (#13)
Guessing that most all we here took our own licks, as needed...it didn't take all that many to learn that doing 'right' was gonna get me a lot further than was being a screw-up.
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Lod posted on 2009-04-09 15:50:57 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: Esso (#11)
when are you coming to collect? ;)

christine posted on 2009-04-09 19:16:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: PSUSA (#10)
4mail

christine posted on 2009-04-09 19:17:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: ALL (#0)
This post here was captured from a post I made some place else and is not in full. The first line says "April 8th & 9th, 2004 a bloody day for all in Iraq." I was trying to honor those that fell that day. I was there when this happend and it affected us all. If you would like to read the FULL post, then please go to http://blog.cindyiniraq.com/2009/04/09/a-moment-of-silence-please.aspx
I don't know who put this here and really I don't mind. But please do not discount it becasue what is talked about happened 5 years ago. For some it was just yesterday and for those families that their loved one has STILL not been recovered, it is real and part of today.

WhiteRose posted on 2009-04-09 19:20:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: WhiteRose (#17)
I was the one that posted it, because you posted it at another board. I posted it here because I thought it was more recent news.
No harm was meant. Discounting it means discounting it as a news story, not discounting the importance of it to those it affected.

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PSUSA posted on 2009-04-09 19:25:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: WhiteRose (#17)
For some it was just yesterday and for those families that their loved one has STILL not been recovered, it is real and part of today.

of course. understood. welcome and thank you for taking the time to post a clarification.

christine posted on 2009-04-09 19:27:55 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: WhiteRose (#17)
For some it was just yesterday and for those families that their loved one has STILL not been recovered, it is real and part of today.

Welcome -
For most, it will be forever.
Thank you for doing what you thought, at the time, was the right thing.
Welcome back home, and help us stop this insanity.
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Lod posted on 2009-04-09 19:40:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: PSUSA (#18)
Yes, I do once in a while, post some of my blog entries on a couple of truckers forums. I don't mind them being reposted other places. I never have even when I was in Iraq. I think you all for understanding what I and many other families have gone through. I am tired of my son and I being spit on and having obscenities thrown at me for being my being a contractor truck driver over there and my son being a soldier. It is hard to talk about sometimes because we never know what reaction people are going to give us.

WhiteRose posted on 2009-04-11 9:22:43 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: WhiteRose (#21)
Your son is (or was) between a rock and a hard place. The way I see it is that the soldiers are nothing but pawns in the chess game our "leaders" are playing.
Most of us here are anti-war. No one has ever told us the Real Reason we are in Iraq. WHen one excuse is debunked, they bring up another excuse. It's an endless cycle. Now they dont even bother with the excuses. It's a fait accompli, no explanation needed.
Sometimes that jumps over into being anti-soldier, since we have a tendency to not excuse misconduct (murder, rape, etc.) done by soldiers over what has been billed as a humanitarian mission (!) Bringing them democracy and freedom. Accept it or we will KILL YOU!! No thanks, I'm not buying it.
With at least a million dead Iraqis, they would at least still be alive if we hadn't invaded over what proved to be nothing but lies.
But we know your son didn't issue those orders. He either obeys them or he pays the price.
This is a real mess we gotten ourselves into. Or rather a real mess our "leaders" have gotten us into, with the complicit approval of too many people here in this country.
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PSUSA posted on 2009-04-11 10:01:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: PSUSA (#22)
Principled resistance.

Deasy posted on 2009-04-11 10:02:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: PSUSA (#22)
I don't like to debate the war. I am not sure that those people would have been better off had we not gone in there....not from what I have seen with my own eyes. But I agree that misconduct is misconduct and should be punished. There is no excuse for some of the things that both sides have done to the other.
I do understand being against the war. I don't like that idea of war, but I do support our troops and I do love my country. I don't necessarily like what our government does some times and I don't care for the attitude of many of the people that live here. But it is my country and I feel very lucky to live here and have the freedoms that we have.
At this point, I just want my son to heal from his PTSD and have a some what normal, productive life. And for myself, well I would like to come to terms with some of the things that I saw and happened to me while over there. Most of that I hold KBR responsible for.

WhiteRose posted on 2009-04-12 10:41:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: WhiteRose (#24)
The Krauts have the right word for war. It's Krieg, which is the selfsame root in the word for "getting." In war you go to the battlefield to get something - things that you couldn't get by other means.
It's a stretch though to maintain that the American people got anything at all from this wretched war, and by any measure, the Iraqis on the whole want us out of there.
I find it hard to talk facts to folks that have sacrificed huge chunks of their lives, their health and lives and limbs so that the bastards at KBR could pick up the shekels. I feel bad for your son, but he volunteered.
My old man got caught up in the peregrinations of Hitler's army. He didn't volunteer. He wanted to do music and go to engineering school. At one point somewhere in Yugoslavia, he mused to his fellows that Germany had screwed up. He was called in by a sympathetic captain and told that while security hadn't heard his remarks, he had, and that he had better shut his mouth or he would find himself on a fast train to the Eastern Front.
That's why I hold precious and dear my right to say that we have screwed up. There is nothing to be won or gained in Iraq or Afghanistan. There is nothing we can do for those folks. What needs doing in those places must be done by the folks that live there. We toppled a tyrant (and as many of us will point out, one demonstrably largely of our own making) at the cost of uncounted billions, the uncounted deaths of Iraqis and the as yet uncounted deaths of our own. We can add to the butcher's bill the loss of political capital and our credibility around the world, as well as the destruction (and theft) of irreplaceable cultural treasures of Mesopotamia.
For all of this, what did we get? I hate to say it, but you guys got paid, while the rest of us got nothing but the bill.
I sincerely wish you well, and I hope that you all recover from your wounds and bad experiences. You'll forgive me if I fail to wish you the ritual "Thanks for your service," because I believe that few of us have been served by this war. We got nothing.
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randge posted on 2009-04-12 11:40:00 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: randge (#25)
That's why I hold precious and dear my right to say that we have screwed up.

What little there is left of it. Great post.

Deasy posted on 2009-04-12 11:42:32 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: randge (#25)
ditto Deasy--great post.

christine posted on 2009-04-12 11:52:47 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: WhiteRose (#24)
At this point, I just want my son to heal from his PTSD and have a some what normal, productive life. And for myself, well I would like to come to terms with some of the things that I saw and happened to me while over there.

I pray that you and your son can come to peace with what happened. We all have our crosses to bear, but your and your sons is heavier than the one I lug around.
At least until the SHTF here in this country.
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PSUSA posted on 2009-04-12 12:00:39 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: randge (#25)
You'll forgive me if I fail to wish you the ritual "Thanks for your service," because I believe that few of us have been served by this war. We got nothing.

I don't deserve the "Thanks for your service". I was a civilian contractor and not military. Money was not at the top of my list of reasons to go over there, but I wont get into those here. Anyone that has read my blog or my book will know the reasons why I did what I did.
As for giving ANY military personnel a "Thanks for your service", they ALL deserve it, even now. It's not about weather you or anyone else "got" something out of this war. You don't have to agree with the war. You don't have to like that we are there. I don't like that we are in it. BUT, giving military service people a "Thanks for you service" is about people who are willing to stand up for this Country and our Freedoms. It's about men and women that are willing to put their lives on the line, to die, for that which we as the people of this great country take for granted way to much.
My son wanted to join the Army since he was old enough to walk and talk. In my family, serving our Country was taught to be a great honor and to take great courage. Almost every male and several females have done their time in one branch of the armed forces or the other. I hold these people in high respect. They were willing to die for this Country and my Freedoms.
They also help in keeping your and anyone else's right to disrespect them and not be punished by our government. So, forgive me if your statement about not thanking them pisses me off a bit. That is what is wrong with this Country and this world for that matter. It's all about "me". "What to I get!" "It doesn't affect me, so why should I care?" But does affect you and you do get something out of their service, even if you don't see it directly. So they DO deserve your thanks, they deserve my thanks, they deserve this country's thanks!!!

WhiteRose posted on 2009-04-13 9:45:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: WhiteRose (#29)
I took my heart in my mouth saying what I said.
I know that I can never repay the debt of blood I owe to those that endured the most grinding of privations and faced grim death by bullet and disease who won the liberties that I enjoy today.
But when my country goes very, very far off the track and wages aggressive war, wars not in its own interests, war waged for the profits and political advancement of a dangerous minority, I have to say "Stop!"
We will look back at this period, I am sure, like we look at the Vietnam years today. 50,000 dead, and for what? The horrors that war left in its wake are stupifying. There was unimaginable horror and genocide in Laos and Cambodia, and Hanoi emerged the militarily dominant force in Indochina. If you read the papers of our own government, the Pentagon Papers among them, you see that our own leaders recognized the futility of our effort years before our exit. Still they they forced our boys into the hopper by the thousands.
I hate communism more than anyone, but how was the cause of freedom served by that war? We trade with those communists today and have trade and diplomatic relations with them. What did the blood of those 50,000 buy? Effectively nothing. I hate to say this, but it bought us nothing.
It's almost impossible to say these things to a man's face, and it is an artifact of this thing that we call the internet that makes it possible for me to say these things at all. I have deep personal respect for those that were called and those that volunteered to go to Vietnam. I was 4F'd out, and feel a sense of guilt whenever I see a guy in a wheelchair with the vet patch on his jacket. I vistited the Vietnam Memorial in DC once and only once. I just couldn't make the second trip. I just felt cut to the bone to see all those names chiseled into the cold black stone.
I feel just as bad for the guys that went to Iraq. But, damnit, where has this war got us? We can argue about the premises for this war, as some folks still do about the last misadventure. It is hard to demonstrate that this war is of any benefit to the citizens of this country at all.
It's time we all wised up. We should know by now that the constellation of government and corporate interests that drag us into conflicts in the name of our country don't give a damn about us and play on our fears, our pride and our prejudices to advance the programs of their various factions and to line the pocket of their friends, to put it bluntly.
At some level all of you know this, and when you sign up you sign on to a lottery. For the fortunate, there are promotions, honors and glory. With a little bad luck thrown in, there's death, disfigurement and a lifetime of dealing with the psychological consequences. By volunteering for a war, you are condemning some of you fellows to a fate you should not wish on your own. When you do so, it had better be for a good cause. When wars and national policy are directed by men like Henry Kissinger who called soldiers "dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy" you should take pause. These sorts of men are our enemies.
So when I hear folks say, "Thanks for your service," an inner voice always taunts me which asks, "Service to whom?"
God bless you and your son. I am glad you made it back with your hides intact.
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