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Title: Welcome to TOS4
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Published: Jan 29, 2005
Author: christine
Post Date: 2005-01-28 10:54:16 by christine
Keywords: Welcome, TOS4
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Let's get this thing going ;)
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#163. To: christine, Neil McIver (#0)
Have a question... Are you guys going to do something with the logo?? It may be small and petty of me.. but it is driving me nuts... It looks so small and off color... Sorry if I stepped on any toes.. but I had to say something..
Yes there is someone working on it as we 'speak'.. and Neil is going to change the overall look..
yes, zipporah and i are planning a new look. this is temporary. no offense taken.
Thanks for the replies.. And thanks again for the site... It's nice to have a "home".. :-)
Welcome.. thank you..
Instead of TOS4Truth...why not call it: Liberty Underground, or Freedom Post ;^)
We were just going to call it TOS4. I now actually think this would have been best. But oh well. When this place gets too crowded we'll start TOS5 and just call it TOS5 period.
I've made the title length when posting articles a setable parameter, and upped it to 300 for TOS4. No one tell TLBSHOW.
hey, good to see y'all! :)
HEY kiki!! Welcome to 4!
hi kiki!
i was just iming with Arator and he came up with a good one, "Freedom4um" hahahahaha. i love that. TOS4Truth is going to look better when we redo the logo and revamp the look with color and font change. coming soon.
WB, Kiki. (Which was my daughter's nickname when she was a kid...I still call her keeks, but not around her friends. There she is Kathleen, if you please.) Happy to see the people of good intention returning. Bush sure is a uniter, ain't he? But this might be a good thing. If we can start talking past the talking points and get down to what is important, we have a chance to forge a real democracy. I mean, how weird is it that liberals like me are the deficit hawks? I always have been one, but it was not a hallmark of the Dem party or the liberal mindset. Now it is. As usual, I will ramble and free associate. This weekend, NPR here in Chicago had a series of specials about the death of Cabrini Green, the largest public housing project in the country. It has been shut down in stages, torn down and replaced with mixed low-rise townhouse villages, where the wealthy pay $350K for a unit, and the poor pay a prorated rent or can buy for a lot less on very favorable terms. So far it is working, and they shut down the last big buildings this weekend. In 1955, huge public housing sounded like a good idea to liberals. It turned out to be a very bad one. It was better than what was going on then, and the city sold the world on it with an ad campaign that contrasted the ghetto that was there at the time to nice clean public housing. Well, it was better, but not much. Europe was doing the same thing, calling them council estates, at the time. Clockwork Orange was a prediction of what would happen, and it was accurate, but if anything, too optimistic. When the Sex Pistols sneered "just another council tenancy" in No Future, they were referring to the warehousing of the marginalized disguised as compassion. That's my longwinded way of saying that some liberal ideas look GREAT on paper, and suck in real life. The job of conservatives is, IMO, to say, yeah, that sounds nice, but society can afford JUST SO MUCH. They act as brakes on the bad ideas for change and force a debate. And liberals force bad conditions to change. It's a healthy thing. The Neocons are a new phenomenon. They're the most deluded, stars in their eyes, hippy-dippy, peacenlove idiots ever. Starshine and Uncle Truckin's dream of having, like, man, a COMMUNITY in the Maine woods where everyone would do, like, what they wanted, sounds more mature and sensible than delivering democracy like Domino's, only with a bunkerbuster bomb. I was in grad school with some of these nuts. A couple are in the administration now, in lowly positions, but they make good money. They were fairly normal until they got into grad school, at which point they developed delusions of grandeur, suddenly realizing they were great thinkers. They were not, and their professors told them so, but they started taking over classes. It was like an infection. Pretty soon a friend of mine would start calling me naive. These people were marginal liberals, not activist or anything, but traditionally liberal. And suddenly it was like The Night of the Living Dead. Neoconism is a very seductive philosophy; boiled down, it says you can do good by doing bad. These are people who think saving a village by destroying it makes sense. The thing I noticed most, though, was how they started saying "grow up." They wanted to be taken seriously, they lost all sense of humor, they suddenly had a mission. The same thing happened to a close friend who is now high up in the Moonies. There has to be a cause greater than all of us for them and if we don't sign on, we're frivolous. Remember the buttholes in the Bushie wing saying, "the adults are in charge"? These are very dangerous people. They cannot think for a second they might be wrong. They never debate. They scream, they deliver ludicrous talking points without a blink, they change language to mean what they want it to mean, they will do anything to win. Underlying it is a sense of narcissism. They are all very mediocre people. There is not one truly bright person among them. Ever notice how Condi demands to be called Dr. Rice? How Smirk demands to be called Mr. President? Condi is a mediocrity and Smirk is less than that. Anyone who hangs out at a university long enough and sucks up to the neocon PoliSci profs (yes, that was my major) can get a doctorate. The one guy they had who was truly intelligent was Paul O'Neill. He was spacy, but bright. And look what happened to him. Christie Whitman, despite my dislike of her, was pretty bright too, but she is long gone and her new book is going to kick their ass. What's surprising is that even the mediocrities, like Ridge and Lindsey and Veneman, have all been thrown overboard too. This gang needs TOTAL loyalty and they were losing it among their functionaries, so they got a whole new crew who had not been around to see them make sausage. My prediction is, it will not work, they will implode and people like Ted Kennedy and Orrin Hatch are going to get together and say, OK, we don't agree, but we, unlike them, have the best interests of the country in mind. Let's work it out, get someone in office and start working together more. I have no idea how to get out of Iraq, but we have to. I have no idea how to cure the health system, but we have to. I have no idea how to repair our image worldwide, but we have to. I have no idea how we can repair this economy, but we have to. So I am happy to have this site, and we have to make sure that scum like Badeye are banned instantly when they turn discussion into partisan flame war.
lol - i'm a longtime liberal too - i think most of the people here know that. how funny, maybe w really is a uniter, except i don't think the intention was to unite people against him. i've never been a supporter of big government. i do believe in helping people, but helping them get on their feet, not carrying them forever. you know, teaching a man to fish, that sort of thing. i like it here cause i feel like if i hang out somewhere like du, i'm not gonna get any fresh perspective. i like finding things in common with people who haven't shared my ideology for years and years. i agree with you about all the things we absolutely have to do, but have no idea how to do. the first step is identifying the problem, right? second step is shedding the labels and realizing we're all in this together. if liberals and true conservatives can find common goals, we may just make the people currently in power irrelevant. and that would be cool.
Yeah, I didn't mean to imply you were a conservative. I was just riffing on how nice it is to see good people come back. We CAN solve this mess, but we have to totally discredit these creeps. There is no way we can say, well, they had a point. They did not. The reason we got attacked was not that they envied what we have, as the Bushies like to say, but because they hate us for supporting Israel, subverting the Saudis and supporting their fascist regime, and basically telling them they are savages. I have friends who are Palestinian and Lebanese. They were so gung ho at the beginning of the war, because they really thought we would bring democracy to Iraq. Yeah, right. That is not our intent and no one sane believes it. Our intent it is to stabilize the oil market, which is not evil in and of itself. But to kill 100,000 people, most of the civilians? That is not what real Americans do. Oh, and DU drives me nuts too. I use their LBN page because it has some good stuff, but I avoid most of the other content. If you admit you like a steak once in a while, you will get called a mass murderer. Both sides have bad actors, but no one at DU is as bad as the average person at FRetard City. Happy to see you here, Kiki.
Thanks for the invite. It's late but I'll be back. 8^)
Thank you for the invitation, I feel so privilidged!! Oh, I fucked that up didn't I? LOL Thanks, this should be fun!!
So this is where everyone who really matters is hanging out! Hey guys! Nice place ya got here! &;-D
Well, I'll be damned! Property values just went up here AGAIN! Welcome, 2T. Haven't seen you since my days at TOS(wherever) when I was living in Arlen, Texas...
OK, I have a site support idea. We need the digital equivalent of a "swear jar" except it'll be used for "that name." Every time someone speaks it, it costs them a buck. That guy is so universally despised and ridiculed that this place will be MAKING money in no time.
Are you talking about the Cocktail Weenie?
That'd be him. Vague reference costs 50 cents. ;)
Thank you SamG .. so nice to see familiar handles. Guess when you're on the net as long as us "olde dogs", we are bound to run into each other again. That is, iffin' we live that long! &;-)
That is good.
I love the photo.
Morning Kiki, welcome.
No one tell TLBSHOW. LOL!!
If available, I'd like the fourth one from the left just because.
WOW! My partner in crime! Hello Cagey! &;-)
Thank you ... I love graphics, they're so much fun.
Yup, true, and I lay around on a lotta porches these days. ;) I tried to remember when I got online, and I think it was within two weeks of the Murrah bombing in April 1995, and thats' coming fast upon 10 years ago. Even still, I'm a rookie compared to some. Where's that classic graphic you had about the lady holding the internet monitor saying "all my friends live in here!!"
I hope life has been good to you! "Where's that classic graphic you had about the lady holding the internet monitor saying "all my friends live in here!!" Hahaha! I remember that one now ... can't tell you where it went though ... that was several computers and hard drives ago.
That is a good name. There is no reason we couldn't adopt it. Just reserve com, org and net like we did for tos4. I can kick in for this. Keep tos4 on, just have it bring up a page with an href to the new name. Have an explanation on the page that the name is in the process of being changed. We could later use tos4 as some sort of sub forum.
Understood...I used to laugh at people w/ laptops, until I bought one and damn, I thought I was net addicted BEFORE? I don't know how people live without 'em. You could sell every TV and dvd player in the house and it'd be weeks before I'd miss 'em, but I know if the laptop has been moved an inch. :) "Real" hobbies are just so time consuming, and you have to dress and leave the house.
I thought about "Free4all" too, but I think it might get misunderstood...
How about "The Vienna Sausage that Dares not Speak it's Name"? The Oscar Wilde gay overtones are a nice touch considering who we are talking about.
LOL ... I recently set up a new domicile and left the teevee behind. Don't miss it one bit, but would enjoy the cooking channel and Discovery type stuff. Otherwise you are right ... hobbies. The net is just a hobby. I've been thinking about getting a tablet PC ... mostly for work though. Have you had any experience with them?
Be sure to check out the reconditioned lap top stores in your area. Like Mr. Laptop in San Antonio. I picked up a really great reconditioned IBM Think Pad for $350. After I bought a huge ram for it it ran great. The internal wifi radio is better than any of the desk top stuff I've ever bought.
Thanks for the tip. There are bargains out there for sure ... it's just finding the time to track them down.
Nope, I bought a Dell Latitude that a friend of mine rebuilt and tweaked w/ extra ram and a larger hard drive. It does just fine for most things.
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I mean, how weird is it that liberals like me are the deficit hawks?
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That guy is so universally despised and ridiculed that this place will be MAKING money in no time.
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#186. To: christine, crack monkey, Arator, Zipporah, Neil McIver (#174)
"Freedom4um"
#187. To: 2Trievers (#180)
So this is where everyone who really matters is hanging out! Hey guys! Nice place ya got here! &;-D
#188. To: kiki (#171)
#189. To: Neil McIver (#170)
I've made the title length when posting articles a setable parameter, and upped it to 300 for TOS4.
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olde dogs
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i was just iming with Arator and he came up with a good one, "Freedom4um"
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#198. To: Samuel Gray (#184)
That'd be him. Vague reference costs 50 cents. ;)
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