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Title: Fear and Censorship Rampant In "Patriot" Community
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URL Source: http://Opednews.com
Published: May 14, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-05-14 18:06:38 by Artisan
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Views: 1657
Comments: 109

Fear and Censorship Rampant In "Patriot" Community


By Martin Hill
5-14-09

"He that sees another in error, and endeavors not to correct it, testifies himself to be in error" -Pope St. Leo I

Let me preface this by saying that I have never been obsessed or fixated on 'zionist' or "Jews vs. Arab" topic, as so many seem to be today. I was not concerned with Jews or zionists, or muslims, and had never even met a Jew until I was probably in my 20's. I was raised in an upper middle class Catholic home in Southern California. The topic is an interesting one, though, particularly regarding people's fear of touching the subject. I am all for free discussion of any topic. Nothing should be verboten. The recent response to a topic I helped create has been fascinating to say the least.

I am very much against threatening anyone for their speech. This applies to neocons, leftists, 'patriots', or anyone else. Keep in mind I was instrumental in getting coverage on the Michael Reagan issue, when he threatened 9/11 truther Mark Dice on the radio. I even called Reagan up personally and we discussed it, and I told him he was wrong. That as well as many other aspects of this were covered on Clearchannel's KFI Los Angeles, Infowars, PrisonPlanet, etc. Here is the index page of some of that coverage.

Now onto the current controversy. It all started last month when I was listening to the INFOWARS stream via my cell phone, and caught a very disturbing exchange between Jason Bermas and a caller. I wrote an article about it on Op-Ed News a few days later entitled 'InfoWarrior' Jason Bermas: Jew Critics Are 'Anti-Semites' Who Should Hang Or Electrocute Themselves (4-19-09)
I also posted the audio of the call on youtube.

I also posted it on Michael A. Nystrom's website DailyPaul.com, which is a popular site for Ron Paul supporters. After the topic garnered 3 pages of replies from members, the daily paul froze the topic, preventing anyone from responding further, thus pushing it off the front page, off the website and down the memory hole. See: 'InfoWarrior' Jason Bermas: Jew Critics Are 'Anti-Semites' Who Should Hang Or Electrocute Themselves

A few days later Bermas and Jones replied about my op-ed piece and youtube vid. Here is their response, Bermas and Alex Jones Respond To the Jewish Controversy part 1 and part 2. Jones and Bermas also responded to the original caller himself when he called in. Their response to the caller seemed nearly as innapropriate as Bermas's first response, and seemed to make the situation worse. I posted the article about their response, as well as the vid, on Op-Ed News: Bermas & Alex Jones Respond To The Jewish Controversy on April 23, 2009.

Since the original topic had generated so much interest, I also posted the follow up on the Daily Paul only to have it immediately removed. I was also immediately permanenently banned from the DailyPaul.com without reason. I guess Nystrom, the owner of the Ron Paul adulation site does not support free expression and intellectual discussion any more than Bermas does.

The owner ot Op-Ed News, however, Rob Kall, who I believe is Jewish, did not remove my articles. Mr. Kall should be commended for giving people the opportunity to publish and discuss articles. He obviously is nothing like the paranoid politically-correct control freaks that abound everywhere else on the net, even in the purported 'patriot community'.

Mike Rivero of WhatReallyHappened.com has posted at least two of my videos that I know of, including Rest in Peace Pete Nosan. Pete was a friend of mine and a tax freedom advocate who served as Restore the Republic CA Chapter leader. He tragically killed himself last year after the IRS came to his job and threatened him). Here is the cache from his site, in case Rivero denies or erases it.

I have included Rivero on my mailing list for some time. Granted, he did not ask to be on my list, but as a popular alternative site who lists his contact info and published my material, I assumed he wanted to recieve the occasional articles/ vids that I send out. A few weeks ago Rivero posted my video interview of a Muslim USMC Vet Fired From Job For 9/11 Truth Sign. However, after I sent Rivero the article and videos from Bermas & Alex Jones Respond To The Jewish Controversy, all further e-mails I sent to him have been returned. He apparently blocked me from all further contact; which is certainly his perogative, but is very revealing. Did daring to mention the "J word" cause him to block me? Apparently.

Meanwhile, on the other end of the spectrum, and I almost hate the give this guy publicity, but someone named Eric Hufschmid scoured my website, and posted photos of me and my teeth on his website, alleging I am a 'zionist protector' "jew" "dog" "neanderthal", simply because I link to some Alex Jones material on my website. He claims Jews have a gap between their teeth. For the record I had braces in high school and the gap was completely closed, but it came back when I stopped wearing the retainer. Go figure. By the way, I am half Italian, as well as English/German/Dutch and a lifelong Catholic.

Someone posted the topic at the Prisonplanet.com forum, and so far, to their credit, they have allowed the topic and discussion to remain. Whoops! As I write this, I just clicked on the topic and see that it has now also been removed. Here is the google cache of that topic: Jason Bermas: Jew Critics Should Hang themselves Prisonplanet forum member 'Protean' started that thread which had hundreds of replies, going on for at least 11 pages. I do not know if Protean has been banned from the site. The original url of that topic was forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=104796.400 - 98k [google search]

Jeff Rense, who recently had a fallout with Alex Jones and was removed from GCN, linked to the original youtube video a few days ago. It had had about 2300 views before Rense linked to it, and now has 17,714 views and 634 comments.

The same day Rense posted the original video, a Texe Marrs article entitled Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media?, (5-9-9) which was critical of Bermas' response without naming him, was posted on Rense.com.
Here are some videos of Texe Marrs with Jason Burmas 2009-03-05 pt 5/5 and here. I heard that Texe Marrs discussed this Bermas fiasco on his radio show, but I haven't heard it. ALex Jones has invited Texe Marrs onto his show as a guest for years, as well as selling his books and videos on Infowars; so it would be interesting to hear them discuss this entire issue candidly. Cudos to Texe Marrs for having the guts to address this issue.

There is also a youtube clip here, entitled Jason Bermas & Alex Jones called out as Zionist Shills described as an: "Excerpt from RBN Radio with Michael Collins Piper and Guest: Mark Glenn. Two callers expose Jason Bermas & Alex Jones as the Zionist Shills that they are, and talk about the recent controversy with Bermas telling a caller on his show, who brings up Jewish influence on the media, to kill himself." I have not heard that clip yet.

And that is all, for now. The fallout from this fiasco seems to have grown far and wide. I stick to my original response, which was that the comments were grossly innapropriate and out of line, especially from Alex Jones websites, which purport to come from a Christian and freedom-loving perspective. Christians and patriots do not threaten or advocate the death, murder of suicide of anyone. it really is as simple as that.

May peace be with you all.

"When they sin, rebuke them in the presence of all that the rest also may have fear" 1 Timothy 5:20

"Without me you can do nothing" John 15:5 >

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#4. To: Artisan (#0)

I have included Rivero on my mailing list for some time. Granted, he did not ask to be on my list, but as a popular alternative site who lists his contact info and published my material, I assumed he wanted to recieve the occasional articles/ vids that I send out. A few weeks ago Rivero posted my video interview of a Muslim USMC Vet Fired From Job For 9/11 Truth Sign. However, after I sent Rivero the article and videos from Bermas & Alex Jones Respond To The Jewish Controversy, all further e-mails I sent to him have been returned. He apparently blocked me from all further contact; which is certainly his perogative, but is very revealing. Did daring to mention the "J word" cause him to block me? Apparently.

this i find surprising in that Rivero is a critic of Zionism and Israel. did he get the word from AJ?. i wonder.

christine  posted on  2009-05-14   19:03:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: christine, all (#4)

Man, why do we keep poking each other in the backside?

That's all, I can't go into an all-evening rant on our short-sidedness.

Lod  posted on  2009-05-14   20:01:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: lodwick, bluegrass, christine, Jethro Tull, Artisan (#5)

Man, why do we keep poking each other in the backside?

That's all, I can't go into an all-evening rant on our short-sidedness.

Alex Jones came to Jason Bermas' defense and said "The show is just growing exponentially, Bermas,........(reap the profits! Reap REAP REAP!) and we can't let the peanut gallery slow us down...." (Listen to Jones shout the man down and run interference for Bermas, all the while switching the focus to "other people" and away from what Bermas actually said)

Presumably the "peanut gallery" includes all who criticize Israel, Zionism, Jews, etc.,. beyond what AJ and Bermas consider the PC limits of such criticism.

Remember where the "backside poking" began, with a death wish from Bermas to most of us here, and he was defended by the bullying boiler room mass marketer Jones.

At the risk of offending you, it may be time for you to stop burying your head in the sand and avoiding the specifics that lead to facts which you will not hear.

If Jones and company are not comfortable with the whole truth then they've become enemies of the truth.

Jones may believe that he can throw the "joo haters" a little raw meat and smooth talk his way out of this, and between his supporters either avoiding the discussion or censoring those who raise it (Michael Rivero) the topic will just fade away and he can go back to his safe, lucrative, books, DVDs and net advertising business.

Jones is using a not so clever ploy and implying that those who "try to trick him and Bermas into making 'anti Semitic' comments are actually Zionists who've infiltrated the white supremicist movement", and he's hoping that by avoiding the subject it will insulate him from the wrath of the ewe gno hudis. ("We'll outsmart the ADL by refusing to criticize or even name Jewish Zionists!" riiiight, Alex)

Well, I got news for Jones.

That ain't gonna fly.

He may as well start looking for honest work because his days as a patriot leader are numbered. Jones and Bermas will only lead a tiny cult-of-personality consisting of frightened, hero worshiping lemmings who "never say the "J" word", and they now have about as much credibility as another former high profile "leader", Marc Weber of the IHR by way of the CIA.

And, that ain't much.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-05-14   22:22:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: HOUNDDAWG (#9)

Marc Weber of the IHR by way of the CIA

Not that I doubt what's always been your ironclad honesty, but how did you arrive at this conclusion?

bluegrass  posted on  2009-05-14   22:29:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: bluegrass, lodwick. Artisan (#10)

... how did you arrive at this conclusion?

If his own wife's testimony that Weber used to chat for hours on the phone with Irv Rubin isn't enough, his years as a third world teacher/Peace Corps type is not only classic CIA cover but most uncharacteristic of those with his public political leanings.

And, there's this:

"'New' IHR Operates as KGB-style 'Trust' for Mossad

(From The Spotlight, c 1999)

Many supporters of Liberty Lobby and the revisionist movement wonder why the "new" Institute for Historical Review (IHR) under the control of Mark Weber and the people behind him could actually be a front for Israel's Mossad since the IHR continues to publish what is otherwise valuable revisionist literature. The fact is that for the Mossad to be able to continue to wage its war of attrition against Liberty Lobby, using the pressure of the legal judgment obtained against Liberty Lobby by Weber's backers through the venue of the IHR, it is necessary for the IHR in continue operating as a corporate entity. If the IHR were to cease operating Liberty Lobby would not legally be obligated to continue paying the judgment. Therefore it is vital that the existence of the IHR be maintained. If Liberty Lobby itself should somehow be eviscerated in the meantime, it is certain that the Mossad controllers behind Weber and the IHR would immediately pull the plug on the IHR. The fact is that the "new" IHR functions as a classic "trust,'which is defined in more standard terms as "controlled opposition." That is, the Mossad is using the IHR as a means to monitor the revisionist movement from within, collecting names of persons involved in revisionism and studying their activities.

IHR MOSSAD-CONTROLLED Although the IHR is a Mossad-controlled "trust," the term "trust" came into intelligence usage, stemming from a famous Soviet secret police counterintelligence operation established in the 1920s and known as 'The Trust." According to Professor Roy Godson of Georgetown University (who is known for his ties to the Israeli lobby), the Soviets used the "trust" model to actually finance and control their own opposition and to feed disinformation to anti-communists in the West, who believed that they were receiving data from anti-Bolshevik elements from behind Soviet lines. The Soviets used the Trust to lure its critics out into the open so that they could be made targets of Soviet state security. That is precisely how the Mossad is now using the IHR in order to surveil the revisionist movement. In the same fashion, the Mossad-sponsored Anti-Defamation League (ADL), and the Southern Poverty Law Center of Morris Dees also create previously non-existent "hate" groups and finance their activities, or otherwise promote organizations that have been co-opted by the Mossad and/or by the CIA, the BATF, the FBI and other federal agencies which have an interest in controlling political dissent in America. Strong evidence indicates that two prominent "racists" operating in America today are actually "controlled opposition." It is very much a "wilderness of mirrors."

TakedownAlexJones - bill cooper exposes alex jones

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2009-05-14   22:51:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: HOUNDDAWG, bluegrass, itistoolate, rickyj, psusa, original_intent (#11) (Edited)

Can I ask what do you think of the website iamthewitness.com? and who runs it, and what do you think of them? I just went there yesterday for the first time.

I found a bunch of great audio clips of Father Coughlin. I found out last year , when i read about him in a traditional Catholic paper, "The Wanderer". (they were strong supporters of ron paul for pres., by the way). Anyway, i found out that my grandpa, who came to the US from Italy, had been a big fan of Fr Coughlin. very interesting. I had never even heard of Coughlin before seeing that article.

edit: i just saw that the guy who runs iamthewitness promotes the kook humschmidt. never mind.

Artisan  posted on  2009-05-15   8:26:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Artisan (#14)

edit: i just saw that the guy who runs iamthewitness promotes the kook humschmidt. never mind.

Dont just go by that. Take his info into account, it's his site. MAybe he doesn't know how idiotic that man is. I didn't, until you pointed it out to me.

From a web design perspective, which admittedly I am NOT an expert, his front page is way too long. It needs to be reorganized. He has a lot of information but it's hard to focus on one area.

Information wise, I like what I see, so far. I bookmarked it.

Father Coughlin I know nothing about, other than his name seems familiar.

PSUSA  posted on  2009-05-15   8:52:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: PSUSA (#15)

well he was long before our time, but he gave great speeches and also i know he spoke out against the bankers. i listened to one of his hour long speeches yesterday titled 'anticommunism, not anti semitism',. great stuff. he also covered the controlled jew media. but in nicer phrasiology,

Artisan  posted on  2009-05-15   9:07:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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