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Title: Fear and Censorship Rampant In "Patriot" Community
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Fear and Censorship Rampant In "Patriot" Community "He that sees another in error, and endeavors not to correct it, testifies himself to be in error" -Pope St. Leo I Let me preface this by saying that I have never been obsessed or fixated on 'zionist' or "Jews vs. Arab" topic, as so many seem to be today. I was not concerned with Jews or zionists, or muslims, and had never even met a Jew until I was probably in my 20's. I was raised in an upper middle class Catholic home in Southern California. The topic is an interesting one, though, particularly regarding people's fear of touching the subject. I am all for free discussion of any topic. Nothing should be verboten. The recent response to a topic I helped create has been fascinating to say the least. I am very much against threatening anyone for their speech. This applies to neocons, leftists, 'patriots', or anyone else. Keep in mind I was instrumental in getting coverage on the Michael Reagan issue, when he threatened 9/11 truther Mark Dice on the radio. I even called Reagan up personally and we discussed it, and I told him he was wrong. That as well as many other aspects of this were covered on Clearchannel's KFI Los Angeles, Infowars, PrisonPlanet, etc. Here is the index page of some of that coverage. Now onto the current controversy. It all started last month when I was listening to the INFOWARS stream via my cell phone, and caught a very disturbing exchange between Jason Bermas and a caller. I wrote an article about it on Op-Ed News a few days later entitled 'InfoWarrior' Jason Bermas: Jew Critics Are 'Anti-Semites' Who Should Hang Or Electrocute Themselves (4-19-09) I also posted it on Michael A. Nystrom's website DailyPaul.com, which is a popular site for Ron Paul supporters. After the topic garnered 3 pages of replies from members, the daily paul froze the topic, preventing anyone from responding further, thus pushing it off the front page, off the website and down the memory hole. See: 'InfoWarrior' Jason Bermas: Jew Critics Are 'Anti-Semites' Who Should Hang Or Electrocute Themselves A few days later Bermas and Jones replied about my op-ed piece and youtube vid. Here is their response, Bermas and Alex Jones Respond To the Jewish Controversy part 1 and part 2. Jones and Bermas also responded to the original caller himself when he called in. Their response to the caller seemed nearly as innapropriate as Bermas's first response, and seemed to make the situation worse. I posted the article about their response, as well as the vid, on Op-Ed News: Bermas & Alex Jones Respond To The Jewish Controversy on April 23, 2009. Since the original topic had generated so much interest, I also posted the follow up on the Daily Paul only to have it immediately removed. I was also immediately permanenently banned from the DailyPaul.com without reason. I guess Nystrom, the owner of the Ron Paul adulation site does not support free expression and intellectual discussion any more than Bermas does. The owner ot Op-Ed News, however, Rob Kall, who I believe is Jewish, did not remove my articles. Mr. Kall should be commended for giving people the opportunity to publish and discuss articles. He obviously is nothing like the paranoid politically-correct control freaks that abound everywhere else on the net, even in the purported 'patriot community'. Mike Rivero of WhatReallyHappened.com has posted at least two of my videos that I know of, including Rest in Peace Pete Nosan. Pete was a friend of mine and a tax freedom advocate who served as Restore the Republic CA Chapter leader. He tragically killed himself last year after the IRS came to his job and threatened him). Here is the cache from his site, in case Rivero denies or erases it. I have included Rivero on my mailing list for some time. Granted, he did not ask to be on my list, but as a popular alternative site who lists his contact info and published my material, I assumed he wanted to recieve the occasional articles/ vids that I send out. A few weeks ago Rivero posted my video interview of a Muslim USMC Vet Fired From Job For 9/11 Truth Sign. However, after I sent Rivero the article and videos from Bermas & Alex Jones Respond To The Jewish Controversy, all further e-mails I sent to him have been returned. He apparently blocked me from all further contact; which is certainly his perogative, but is very revealing. Did daring to mention the "J word" cause him to block me? Apparently. Meanwhile, on the other end of the spectrum, and I almost hate the give this guy publicity, but someone named Eric Hufschmid scoured my website, and posted photos of me and my teeth on his website, alleging I am a 'zionist protector' "jew" "dog" "neanderthal", simply because I link to some Alex Jones material on my website. He claims Jews have a gap between their teeth. For the record I had braces in high school and the gap was completely closed, but it came back when I stopped wearing the retainer. Go figure. By the way, I am half Italian, as well as English/German/Dutch and a lifelong Catholic. Someone posted the topic at the Prisonplanet.com forum, and so far, to their credit, they have allowed the topic and discussion to remain. Whoops! As I write this, I just clicked on the topic and see that it has now also been removed. Here is the google cache of that topic: Jason Bermas: Jew Critics Should Hang themselves Prisonplanet forum member 'Protean' started that thread which had hundreds of replies, going on for at least 11 pages. I do not know if Protean has been banned from the site. The original url of that topic was forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=104796.400 - 98k [google search] Jeff Rense, who recently had a fallout with Alex Jones and was removed from GCN, linked to the original youtube video a few days ago. It had had about 2300 views before Rense linked to it, and now has 17,714 views and 634 comments. The same day Rense posted the original video, a Texe Marrs article entitled Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media?, (5-9-9) which was critical of Bermas' response without naming him, was posted on Rense.com. There is also a youtube clip here, entitled Jason Bermas & Alex Jones called out as Zionist Shills described as an: "Excerpt from RBN Radio with Michael Collins Piper and Guest: Mark Glenn. Two callers expose Jason Bermas & Alex Jones as the Zionist Shills that they are, and talk about the recent controversy with Bermas telling a caller on his show, who brings up Jewish influence on the media, to kill himself." I have not heard that clip yet. And that is all, for now. The fallout from this fiasco seems to have grown far and wide. I stick to my original response, which was that the comments were grossly innapropriate and out of line, especially from Alex Jones websites, which purport to come from a Christian and freedom-loving perspective. Christians and patriots do not threaten or advocate the death, murder of suicide of anyone. it really is as simple as that. May peace be with you all. "When they sin, rebuke them in the presence of all that the rest also may have fear" 1 Timothy 5:20 "Without me you can do nothing" John 15:5 >
By Martin Hill
5-14-09
I also posted the audio of the call on youtube.
Here are some videos of Texe Marrs with Jason Burmas 2009-03-05 pt 5/5 and here. I heard that Texe Marrs discussed this Bermas fiasco on his radio show, but I haven't heard it. ALex Jones has invited Texe Marrs onto his show as a guest for years, as well as selling his books and videos on Infowars; so it would be interesting to hear them discuss this entire issue candidly. Cudos to Texe Marrs for having the guts to address this issue.
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#49. To: Deasy (#48)
To be honest, I don't think you know me well enough to know what my idea of what comes after this is as we've never discussed it.
Fair enough. You're arguing on behalf of Christianity here, though.
I can see the confusion. For the record, I don't believe in heaven, hell or the fact that Jesus can get me into or out of one or the other. I do believe that this brief corporeal existence is a very small part of what we really are.
For the record, I trust the blood in my veins.
Are you saying that all was well with your pagan ancestors? That everything was sweetness and light? Please dont start in with the "nobel Indian" type of nonsense. They weren't little angels either. No one is innocent. Looking at history thru rose colored glasses will give you a very distorted view. But again, I understand your hostility and I won't try and "convert" you. That is not my job. If it was, I'd only screw it up. You have the God given right to believe whatever you want to believe. Christianity says that will change, but I know you dont believe that. Tell you what. After it's all said and done, one of us will be able to say to the other "I told you so". You think you will be able to say that. I say I will say that. Time will tell ;) You made one point I agree with, and that is the universalist argument. Everyone will be saved. But the judgement is going to be rather unpleasant for some people. .
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What's left when your blood runs dry and your veins turn to dust?
How do you define "sweetness and light?" Please be specific. And don't ask me to be happy with what we have, what Christianity has given us. I don't want to "go back" to the day when America's founders stated that all would be welcome here. It's not a matter of being happy. It's a matter of survival. The numbers show that we are going extinct. I want to live. My ancestors wanted to live, and they made it somehow. Christianity has begun to unravel that. The faith is as it does. Don't give me that "churchianity" excuse. The religion is what it is.
Ask the Census bureau.
Good lord. Phelps and Co. are straight-up psy-ops working in plain sight. i met some of them last summer and asked them about 911 being an inside job. it was pretty funny. phelps church on 911: this 2nd one is particularly funny especially at the end. 4 minutes. LOL!
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. So our being is predicated on only the transitory?
We either exist or we don't. And we have existed. That is eternal in and of itself.
When I see groups like Phelps's traveling all over the place, I have to wonder how they're funded. They also seem to operate with little interference by the Powers That Be but with mucho media fanfare. All red flags.
Well said.
They're funded by millions of evangelicals and Catholics.
That concept is pagan to the core.
You seem to look at paganism and your particular racial history in terms that may not be exactly accurate. I never said you should "be happy with what we have, what Christianity has given us. " You are not happy, and shouldn't be. Neither am I. We weren't put here to be "happy". Imagine how useless people would be if this was "paradise" and we could eat chocolate picked from trees year round, eat and sleep and do only what we felt like doing. Now that would he "hell" on earth. We need a challenge, to fight and overcome. That is where we thrive and learn. "My ancestors wanted to live, and they made it somehow. Christianity has begun to unravel that. " What teachings of Christ are responsible for that? Please be specific. .
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Names?
It's also Buddhist.
You seem reluctant to attend church. Why don't you go and listen to what these fellow Christians of yours are saying about illegal immigration? I know where their brotherly love comes from. It comes from deep inside the religion. It's easy for an outsider to recognize that.
It can be universalist, but it's the exact opposite of Monotheistic Judaism and Christianity.
There are numerous pro-family outreaches in the Catholic and Evangelical communities. Some are more extreme than others. Search for it, and I'm sure you'll come up with names if you want them.
Reluctant? Now that's funny. If it wasn't for weddings and funerals I'd never set foot in one ever again. I know what they say. It used to shock me. It doesnt shock me anymore. Now it just pisses me off. Going against churchianities grain made me wonder at first if I was on the right track. Could I and a few others be right, and everyone else be wrong? Believing this implies that I think I am better than the majority. I know FOR A FACT that I am not. I know what a piece of work I am. But I dont wonder about that anymore. Their "brotherly love" is phony. They'll give you a nice hug, just before they stab you in the back and pick your pockets. .
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it's fine that you don't like cops, but not liking churches too? now you are going too far. ;-/
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. You made the assertion. It's up to you to back it up.
It may be phony, but it's killing us. Remember, it was Christians who were the most enthusiastic anti-slavery Yankees. It was Christians who marched with Martin Luther King. Now don't get me wrong: I think slavery is evil. But these people destroyed the Constitution for their phony religious values. They had no problem with bringing poor blacks up and working them at slave wages in their northern factories, and many a Christian joined the Ku Klux Klan when racial tensions (despite everyone's faith) revealed cracks in the facade. Christians lobbied for our entry into WWI and WWII, as well. And what did Ann Coulter say about converting the Muslims after 9/11?
My only assertion is that fundamentalist Christians are funding many of these outreaches. If you don't believe that, that's fine. The conspiracy here is Judeo-Christianity. Until we deal with that, it will go on.
I pulled my punches...;)
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No argument there. I was merely asking who was funding Phelps. I assume it's the same people promoting and also protecting him.
Him personally? I doubt that he has 501c status, so you'll never know.
Christians lobbied for our entry into WWI and WWII, as well. And what did Ann Coulter say about converting the Muslims after 9/11? Coulter? Didn't she(!) say to convert them or murder them? You get no argument from me. How many of Christs' teachings did they have to spit on to do what you rightfully accuse them of doing? Calling them Christians is wrong. Here's my proof. You won't accept it, and neither will most "christians" but I post it to back up what I am saying. Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Luke 9 53 And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. 54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? 55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. 56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village. That sounds like Coulter and others of her ilk. .
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I've simply said that Christ's purported teachings are by definition accessible to all, and therefore are universalist in nature. This has the long term consequence of breaking down ethnic and ancestral foundations of culture. Christianity and its practice becomes more important than heritage. Some argue that this destroyed the Roman empire. Let's remember that Paul was a Greek Jew, schooled in the Prometheus myth and eager to infect the empire with a new iconoclasm. Christ's very teachings demand that we eschew the bonds of race and family and love everyone as ourselves. It sounds good, but in practice, the west's mixture of religion and philosophy has had detrimental consequences. This isn't going away anytime soon. The Romans, finally converted to Christianity themselves, spread it with fire and sword across our ancestral lands. Eventually, we ourselves accepted it. Progress has dictated that it is no longer acceptable to force religion on us. That gives me hope.
I was wondering what you meant by "universalist". But what you say is not true. His teachings are not universalist. He taught in parables. The teachings were hidden. Even his disciples didn't have a clue about what He was talking about until Pentecost. If it was "universalist" in nature, there would not be only God knows how many denominations and there would be no schisms in the Catholic church. It would be plain to all. .
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It’s all I can do to listen to more than a few second of this performance. (Paul Oakenfold live at Ultra Music Fesitval 2004, Southern Sun.) It is as repugnant to me. This adolescent noise in the context of mass euphoria is a phenomenon that we have seen before. It is the antithesis of what makes a strong, balanced and harmonious soul. It is the enemy of civilization. Is this “southern sun” a “black sun” like this? or this? Black sun mosaic, the Nazi “grail castle” at Wewelsburg or this? Here is a watercolor attributed to A. Hitler. I'll tell you what I do. I draw a little magic circle around the center of my spirit and I insulate myself from this sorcery whether it comes in the form of music, art or rhetoric.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. One, that meaning was hidden, does not lead to the other. By universalism I mean racial and ethnic universalism. By definition, Christianity is available to all races.
I've taken you off the ping list, OK?
Who says that magic doesn't work??
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. No, his "church". It takes some pockets to move 20-30 people around on a regular basis like he does.
All you had to do was ask, heh.
I'm not here to ask. I am here to speak.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. Paul taught that. Jesus made it clear that he was here to preach to one group. "Do not go among the Gentiles, or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel." "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
No problem. I welcome your observations. There is something profound in your response to the posts I've been making, which tells me that I'm striking gold.
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#50. To: bluegrass (#49)
#51. To: Deasy (#50)
You're arguing on behalf of Christianity here, though.
#52. To: bluegrass (#51)
#53. To: Deasy (#25)
Our ancestors knew nothing of Christianity. They didn't need it. We don't need it, either. Even without its Judaic roots, it's a universalist belief system that denies the significance of one's heritage.
It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
#54. To: Deasy (#52)
For the record, I trust the blood in my veins.
#55. To: PSUSA (#53)
Are you saying that all was well with your pagan ancestors? That everything was sweetness and light?
#56. To: bluegrass (#54)
What's left when your blood runs dry and your veins turn to dust?
#57. To: bluegrass, psusa, deasy, christine, fred mertz (#18)
A little off topic, but I spent some time looking at Fred Phelps and his 'church' last night as I'd never paid them any mind.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#58. To: Deasy (#56)
#59. To: bluegrass (#58)
#60. To: Artisan (#57)
#61. To: Deasy (#59)
#62. To: bluegrass (#60)
#63. To: bluegrass (#61)
Well said.
#64. To: Deasy (#55)
How do you define "sweetness and light?" Please be specific.
It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
#65. To: Deasy (#62)
They're funded by millions of evangelicals and Catholics.
#66. To: Deasy (#63)
#67. To: PSUSA (#64)
What teachings of Christ are responsible for that? Please be specific.
#68. To: bluegrass (#66)
It's also Buddhist.
#69. To: bluegrass (#65)
Names?
#70. To: Deasy (#67)
You seem reluctant to attend church.
It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
#71. To: PSUSA (#70)
If it wasn't for weddings and funerals I'd never set foot in one ever again. They'll give you a nice hug, just before they stab you in the back and pick your pockets
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#72. To: Deasy (#69)
Search for it, and I'm sure you'll come up with names if you want them.
#73. To: PSUSA (#70)
Their "brotherly love" is phony. They'll give you a nice hug, just before they stab you in the back and pick your pockets.
#74. To: bluegrass (#72)
It's up to you to back it up.
#75. To: Artisan (#71)
it's fine that you don't like cops, but not liking churches too? now you are going too far. ;-/
It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
#76. To: Deasy (#74)
The conspiracy here is Judeo-Christianity.
#77. To: bluegrass (#76)
#78. To: Deasy (#73)
It may be phony, but it's killing us. Remember, it was Christians who were the most enthusiastic anti-slavery Yankees. It was Christians who marched with Martin Luther King. Now don't get me wrong: I think slavery is evil. But these people destroyed the Constitution for their phony religious values. They had no problem with bringing poor blacks up and working them at slave wages in their northern factories, and many a Christian joined the Ku Klux Klan when racial tensions (despite everyone's faith) revealed cracks in the facade.
It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
#79. To: PSUSA (#78)
How many of Christs' teachings did they have to spit on to do what you rightfully accuse them of doing? Calling them Christians is wrong.
#80. To: Deasy (#79)
I've simply said that Christ's purported teachings are by definition accessible to all, and therefore are universalist in nature.
It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
#81. To: Deasy (#23)
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#82. To: PSUSA (#80)
#83. To: randge (#81)
I draw a little magic circle around the center of my spirit and I insulate myself from this sorcery whether it comes in the form of music, art or rhetoric.
#84. To: Deasy (#83)
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#85. To: Deasy (#77)
Him personally?
#86. To: randge (#84)
#87. To: Deasy (#86)
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#88. To: Deasy (#79)
Christ's very teachings demand that we eschew the bonds of race and family and love everyone as ourselves.
#89. To: randge (#87)
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