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Title: Fear and Censorship Rampant In "Patriot" Community
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Published: May 14, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-05-14 18:06:38 by Artisan
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Fear and Censorship Rampant In "Patriot" Community "He that sees another in error, and endeavors not to correct it, testifies himself to be in error" -Pope St. Leo I Let me preface this by saying that I have never been obsessed or fixated on 'zionist' or "Jews vs. Arab" topic, as so many seem to be today. I was not concerned with Jews or zionists, or muslims, and had never even met a Jew until I was probably in my 20's. I was raised in an upper middle class Catholic home in Southern California. The topic is an interesting one, though, particularly regarding people's fear of touching the subject. I am all for free discussion of any topic. Nothing should be verboten. The recent response to a topic I helped create has been fascinating to say the least. I am very much against threatening anyone for their speech. This applies to neocons, leftists, 'patriots', or anyone else. Keep in mind I was instrumental in getting coverage on the Michael Reagan issue, when he threatened 9/11 truther Mark Dice on the radio. I even called Reagan up personally and we discussed it, and I told him he was wrong. That as well as many other aspects of this were covered on Clearchannel's KFI Los Angeles, Infowars, PrisonPlanet, etc. Here is the index page of some of that coverage. Now onto the current controversy. It all started last month when I was listening to the INFOWARS stream via my cell phone, and caught a very disturbing exchange between Jason Bermas and a caller. I wrote an article about it on Op-Ed News a few days later entitled 'InfoWarrior' Jason Bermas: Jew Critics Are 'Anti-Semites' Who Should Hang Or Electrocute Themselves (4-19-09) I also posted it on Michael A. Nystrom's website DailyPaul.com, which is a popular site for Ron Paul supporters. After the topic garnered 3 pages of replies from members, the daily paul froze the topic, preventing anyone from responding further, thus pushing it off the front page, off the website and down the memory hole. See: 'InfoWarrior' Jason Bermas: Jew Critics Are 'Anti-Semites' Who Should Hang Or Electrocute Themselves A few days later Bermas and Jones replied about my op-ed piece and youtube vid. Here is their response, Bermas and Alex Jones Respond To the Jewish Controversy part 1 and part 2. Jones and Bermas also responded to the original caller himself when he called in. Their response to the caller seemed nearly as innapropriate as Bermas's first response, and seemed to make the situation worse. I posted the article about their response, as well as the vid, on Op-Ed News: Bermas & Alex Jones Respond To The Jewish Controversy on April 23, 2009. Since the original topic had generated so much interest, I also posted the follow up on the Daily Paul only to have it immediately removed. I was also immediately permanenently banned from the DailyPaul.com without reason. I guess Nystrom, the owner of the Ron Paul adulation site does not support free expression and intellectual discussion any more than Bermas does. The owner ot Op-Ed News, however, Rob Kall, who I believe is Jewish, did not remove my articles. Mr. Kall should be commended for giving people the opportunity to publish and discuss articles. He obviously is nothing like the paranoid politically-correct control freaks that abound everywhere else on the net, even in the purported 'patriot community'. Mike Rivero of WhatReallyHappened.com has posted at least two of my videos that I know of, including Rest in Peace Pete Nosan. Pete was a friend of mine and a tax freedom advocate who served as Restore the Republic CA Chapter leader. He tragically killed himself last year after the IRS came to his job and threatened him). Here is the cache from his site, in case Rivero denies or erases it. I have included Rivero on my mailing list for some time. Granted, he did not ask to be on my list, but as a popular alternative site who lists his contact info and published my material, I assumed he wanted to recieve the occasional articles/ vids that I send out. A few weeks ago Rivero posted my video interview of a Muslim USMC Vet Fired From Job For 9/11 Truth Sign. However, after I sent Rivero the article and videos from Bermas & Alex Jones Respond To The Jewish Controversy, all further e-mails I sent to him have been returned. He apparently blocked me from all further contact; which is certainly his perogative, but is very revealing. Did daring to mention the "J word" cause him to block me? Apparently. Meanwhile, on the other end of the spectrum, and I almost hate the give this guy publicity, but someone named Eric Hufschmid scoured my website, and posted photos of me and my teeth on his website, alleging I am a 'zionist protector' "jew" "dog" "neanderthal", simply because I link to some Alex Jones material on my website. He claims Jews have a gap between their teeth. For the record I had braces in high school and the gap was completely closed, but it came back when I stopped wearing the retainer. Go figure. By the way, I am half Italian, as well as English/German/Dutch and a lifelong Catholic. Someone posted the topic at the Prisonplanet.com forum, and so far, to their credit, they have allowed the topic and discussion to remain. Whoops! As I write this, I just clicked on the topic and see that it has now also been removed. Here is the google cache of that topic: Jason Bermas: Jew Critics Should Hang themselves Prisonplanet forum member 'Protean' started that thread which had hundreds of replies, going on for at least 11 pages. I do not know if Protean has been banned from the site. The original url of that topic was forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=104796.400 - 98k [google search] Jeff Rense, who recently had a fallout with Alex Jones and was removed from GCN, linked to the original youtube video a few days ago. It had had about 2300 views before Rense linked to it, and now has 17,714 views and 634 comments. The same day Rense posted the original video, a Texe Marrs article entitled Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media?, (5-9-9) which was critical of Bermas' response without naming him, was posted on Rense.com. There is also a youtube clip here, entitled Jason Bermas & Alex Jones called out as Zionist Shills described as an: "Excerpt from RBN Radio with Michael Collins Piper and Guest: Mark Glenn. Two callers expose Jason Bermas & Alex Jones as the Zionist Shills that they are, and talk about the recent controversy with Bermas telling a caller on his show, who brings up Jewish influence on the media, to kill himself." I have not heard that clip yet. And that is all, for now. The fallout from this fiasco seems to have grown far and wide. I stick to my original response, which was that the comments were grossly innapropriate and out of line, especially from Alex Jones websites, which purport to come from a Christian and freedom-loving perspective. Christians and patriots do not threaten or advocate the death, murder of suicide of anyone. it really is as simple as that. May peace be with you all. "When they sin, rebuke them in the presence of all that the rest also may have fear" 1 Timothy 5:20 "Without me you can do nothing" John 15:5 >
By Martin Hill
5-14-09
I also posted the audio of the call on youtube.
Here are some videos of Texe Marrs with Jason Burmas 2009-03-05 pt 5/5 and here. I heard that Texe Marrs discussed this Bermas fiasco on his radio show, but I haven't heard it. ALex Jones has invited Texe Marrs onto his show as a guest for years, as well as selling his books and videos on Infowars; so it would be interesting to hear them discuss this entire issue candidly. Cudos to Texe Marrs for having the guts to address this issue.
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#4. To: Artisan (#0)
this i find surprising in that Rivero is a critic of Zionism and Israel. did he get the word from AJ?. i wonder.
Man, why do we keep poking each other in the backside? That's all, I can't go into an all-evening rant on our short-sidedness.
That's all, I can't go into an all-evening rant on our short-sidedness. Alex Jones came to Jason Bermas' defense and said "The show is just growing exponentially, Bermas,........(reap the profits! Reap REAP REAP!) and we can't let the peanut gallery slow us down...." (Listen to Jones shout the man down and run interference for Bermas, all the while switching the focus to "other people" and away from what Bermas actually said) Presumably the "peanut gallery" includes all who criticize Israel, Zionism, Jews, etc.,. beyond what AJ and Bermas consider the PC limits of such criticism. Remember where the "backside poking" began, with a death wish from Bermas to most of us here, and he was defended by the bullying boiler room mass marketer Jones. At the risk of offending you, it may be time for you to stop burying your head in the sand and avoiding the specifics that lead to facts which you will not hear. If Jones and company are not comfortable with the whole truth then they've become enemies of the truth. Jones may believe that he can throw the "joo haters" a little raw meat and smooth talk his way out of this, and between his supporters either avoiding the discussion or censoring those who raise it (Michael Rivero) the topic will just fade away and he can go back to his safe, lucrative, books, DVDs and net advertising business. Jones is using a not so clever ploy and implying that those who "try to trick him and Bermas into making 'anti Semitic' comments are actually Zionists who've infiltrated the white supremicist movement", and he's hoping that by avoiding the subject it will insulate him from the wrath of the ewe gno hudis. ("We'll outsmart the ADL by refusing to criticize or even name Jewish Zionists!" riiiight, Alex) Well, I got news for Jones. That ain't gonna fly. He may as well start looking for honest work because his days as a patriot leader are numbered. Jones and Bermas will only lead a tiny cult-of-personality consisting of frightened, hero worshiping lemmings who "never say the "J" word", and they now have about as much credibility as another former high profile "leader", Marc Weber of the IHR by way of the CIA. And, that ain't much.
Well, I got news for Jones. That ain't gonna fly. He may as well start looking for honest work because his days as a patriot leader are numbered. Jones and Bermas will only lead a tiny cult-of-personality consisting of frightened, hero worshiping lemmings who "never say the "J" word", and they now have about as much credibility as another former high profile "leader", Thanks for the good post. An update, The article FEAR AND CENSORSHIP RAMPANT IN "PATRIOT" COMMUNITY, which I first posted here, was linked on the front page of rense.com. Mike Rivero of Whatreallyhappened.com responded to one of his members who posted it: Rivero responds: PrisonPlanet member Ready4truth posted the topic Fear and Censorship Rampant In "Patriot" Community and added "Ok, now lets see how much this forum supports free speech..." PrisonPlanet member TurnerBurn posted a topic Alex, are you going to respond to the Texe Marrs attack on Bermas? Some of the members replies were as follows: Meanwhile, PrisonPlanet.com is increasingly using the 'anti-semite' canard, and had a moderator changed the name of a topic to I am not an anti-semite, I just blame jews for everything (Title Modified) I do not know what the original title was. The topic has 121 pages of replies.(!) Here is the latest page from that thread. The original topic at prisonplanet which was deleted is available at google cache: Jason Bermas: Jew Critics Should Hang themselves and also in archive with stats, and all the deleted replies, here at boardreader.com. I have never heard of boardreader.com, but it looks like an interesting and useful site.
That is code for "Our leadership power is slipping away from us. I need to rally the troops". I quit going to riveros' site after he started singing the praises of the obamessiah. I dont take anything he says seriously, because he knew better. The "patriot movement" is not turning on itself. IT's turning on those that have the unmitigated gall to call themselves, or encourage others to call them, "leaders" in the movement. Those "leaders" are the traitors. That is all a Good Thing, really. People need to think for themselves without turning to a "leader" for guidance. You don't need guidance from anyone. .
My position continues to be that religion is the enabler of the Alex Jones reluctance to indict Jewish influence over America. I know my fellow Americans well, and this is what I see in their souls. They can't part with the Zionist Jew because he's in their Old Testament. I pity rather than revile Jones. The Integralism of the Flange movement in Spain during the 1920s and 1930s represents a notable exception, but when a political movement chooses the Catholic royalist way over absolute individual religious liberty, things are no better. American Christians: free yourselves of this Judaic mythology, or doom your faith to remain a prison for your eternal offspring. You need a new reformation. I do not expect that to happen, and for the same reason you can expect nothing of real consequence from the Alex Jones camp, as tied to hollow religious references as it is. The old pagan ways are returning, as witnessed in the rave movement. I foresee a release from our bondage when western youth simple don't care about Christianity any longer. The moment is near. Paul Oakenfold live at Ultra Music Fesitval 2004, Southern Sun.
It’s all I can do to listen to more than a few second of this performance. (Paul Oakenfold live at Ultra Music Fesitval 2004, Southern Sun.) It is as repugnant to me. This adolescent noise in the context of mass euphoria is a phenomenon that we have seen before. It is the antithesis of what makes a strong, balanced and harmonious soul. It is the enemy of civilization. Is this “southern sun” a “black sun” like this? or this? Black sun mosaic, the Nazi “grail castle” at Wewelsburg or this? Here is a watercolor attributed to A. Hitler. I'll tell you what I do. I draw a little magic circle around the center of my spirit and I insulate myself from this sorcery whether it comes in the form of music, art or rhetoric.
I've taken you off the ping list, OK?
#84. To: Deasy (#83)
Who says that magic doesn't work??
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestI have included Rivero on my mailing list for some time. Granted, he did not ask to be on my list, but as a popular alternative site who lists his contact info and published my material, I assumed he wanted to recieve the occasional articles/ vids that I send out. A few weeks ago Rivero posted my video interview of a Muslim USMC Vet Fired From Job For 9/11 Truth Sign. However, after I sent Rivero the article and videos from Bermas & Alex Jones Respond To The Jewish Controversy, all further e-mails I sent to him have been returned. He apparently blocked me from all further contact; which is certainly his perogative, but is very revealing. Did daring to mention the "J word" cause him to block me? Apparently.
#5. To: christine, all (#4)
#9. To: lodwick, bluegrass, christine, Jethro Tull, Artisan (#5)
Man, why do we keep poking each other in the backside?
#17. To: HOUNDDAWG, bluegrass, psusa, twentytwelve, original_intent, jethro tull, fred mertz, christine, itistoolate, rickyj, rotara, deasy, noone222 (#9)
Jones is using a not so clever ploy and implying that those who "try to trick him and Bermas into making 'anti Semitic' comments are actually Zionists who've infiltrated the white supremicist movement", and he's hoping that by avoiding the subject it will insulate him from the wrath of the ewe gno hudis. ("We'll outsmart the ADL by refusing to criticize or even name Jewish Zionists!" riiiight, Alex)
Fear and Censorship Rampant In "Patriot" Community I post this as food for thought.The NWO boys use divide and conquer tactics to keep us all apart and ineffective. I do'nt know that the author is trying to stir up trouble.However he makes some valid points. Being of Ashkenazi background myself,1/8 to be exact(I'm a real American mutt,ancestor wise) I do not like to see carte blanche attacks on "Jews".Zionism which I once supported is the problem along with the fractional reserve usurious banking system. I hope that Mike or Alex do'nt get mad at me. United we stand,divided we fall!
I am not mad at you. You are correct; in recent weeks there has been an obvious campaign to try to get the patriot movement to turn on itself. Now that the corporate media has finally been forced to report what the blogs have been telling you all along; that the entire case for war (including the frame-up for 9-11) was based on confessions extracted under torture, attempts to disrupt the blog-o-sphere will no doubt intensify. But we will not be tricked. We will not be silenced! And the price to shut us up just went WAY up! :)
Michael Rivero
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05/15/2009 - 08:18 What are you waiting for? Rense has had a whole section devoted to this nonsense. And f.y.i. Alexa ranks rense.com as having a larger footprint than prisonplanet.com and it is slightly smaller than infowars.com. So, that's alot of people seeing Texe Marrs bad-mouth Jason Bermas. It's time to expose Rense for the freak that he is. And it's time to call out your old buddy Texe Marrs. Publicly!!! Enough you-tube stuff. They're a private entity, and they're entitled to control content. Just as you are. What are you going to do now that your alleged friend is on the attack??
B.T.W. Don't flame me chumps! I've been a loyal listener/subscriber for years. I'm just tired of generic responses to the Reagans, Savages, Becks, etc, but not one distinct response to the "alternative" media attacks. Especially to sources that are not that far away from being at the tip of the electronic spear
I agree with you... I think a response is necessary at this point.
I would like to see Alex have Jason and Texe discuss this issue. We can have Jason and Texe on Infowarior talk about it.
Haha...Yeah right, Jones should come out and say Boring Bermas was right to say the caller should kill himself...because it's goooood to say things like that. Care to suggest a possible defence for Jones to make?
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#22. To: Artisan, HOUNDDAWG, bluegrass, twentytwelve, original_intent, jethro tull, fred mertz, christine, itistoolate, rickyj, deasy, noone222, Lady X (#17)
... You are correct; in recent weeks there has been an obvious campaign to try to get the patriot movement to turn on itself. ... webmaster What Really Happened
#23. To: PSUSA, Artisan, HOUNDDAWG, bluegrass, twentytwelve, original_intent, jethro tull, fred mertz, christine, itistoolate, rickyj, deasy, noone222, Lady X, sushigirl, *Up to the Sun*, *Up to the Sun* (#22)
#81. To: Deasy (#23)
#83. To: randge (#81)
I draw a little magic circle around the center of my spirit and I insulate myself from this sorcery whether it comes in the form of music, art or rhetoric.
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