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Title: Fear and Censorship Rampant In "Patriot" Community
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Fear and Censorship Rampant In "Patriot" Community "He that sees another in error, and endeavors not to correct it, testifies himself to be in error" -Pope St. Leo I Let me preface this by saying that I have never been obsessed or fixated on 'zionist' or "Jews vs. Arab" topic, as so many seem to be today. I was not concerned with Jews or zionists, or muslims, and had never even met a Jew until I was probably in my 20's. I was raised in an upper middle class Catholic home in Southern California. The topic is an interesting one, though, particularly regarding people's fear of touching the subject. I am all for free discussion of any topic. Nothing should be verboten. The recent response to a topic I helped create has been fascinating to say the least. I am very much against threatening anyone for their speech. This applies to neocons, leftists, 'patriots', or anyone else. Keep in mind I was instrumental in getting coverage on the Michael Reagan issue, when he threatened 9/11 truther Mark Dice on the radio. I even called Reagan up personally and we discussed it, and I told him he was wrong. That as well as many other aspects of this were covered on Clearchannel's KFI Los Angeles, Infowars, PrisonPlanet, etc. Here is the index page of some of that coverage. Now onto the current controversy. It all started last month when I was listening to the INFOWARS stream via my cell phone, and caught a very disturbing exchange between Jason Bermas and a caller. I wrote an article about it on Op-Ed News a few days later entitled 'InfoWarrior' Jason Bermas: Jew Critics Are 'Anti-Semites' Who Should Hang Or Electrocute Themselves (4-19-09) I also posted it on Michael A. Nystrom's website DailyPaul.com, which is a popular site for Ron Paul supporters. After the topic garnered 3 pages of replies from members, the daily paul froze the topic, preventing anyone from responding further, thus pushing it off the front page, off the website and down the memory hole. See: 'InfoWarrior' Jason Bermas: Jew Critics Are 'Anti-Semites' Who Should Hang Or Electrocute Themselves A few days later Bermas and Jones replied about my op-ed piece and youtube vid. Here is their response, Bermas and Alex Jones Respond To the Jewish Controversy part 1 and part 2. Jones and Bermas also responded to the original caller himself when he called in. Their response to the caller seemed nearly as innapropriate as Bermas's first response, and seemed to make the situation worse. I posted the article about their response, as well as the vid, on Op-Ed News: Bermas & Alex Jones Respond To The Jewish Controversy on April 23, 2009. Since the original topic had generated so much interest, I also posted the follow up on the Daily Paul only to have it immediately removed. I was also immediately permanenently banned from the DailyPaul.com without reason. I guess Nystrom, the owner of the Ron Paul adulation site does not support free expression and intellectual discussion any more than Bermas does. The owner ot Op-Ed News, however, Rob Kall, who I believe is Jewish, did not remove my articles. Mr. Kall should be commended for giving people the opportunity to publish and discuss articles. He obviously is nothing like the paranoid politically-correct control freaks that abound everywhere else on the net, even in the purported 'patriot community'. Mike Rivero of WhatReallyHappened.com has posted at least two of my videos that I know of, including Rest in Peace Pete Nosan. Pete was a friend of mine and a tax freedom advocate who served as Restore the Republic CA Chapter leader. He tragically killed himself last year after the IRS came to his job and threatened him). Here is the cache from his site, in case Rivero denies or erases it. I have included Rivero on my mailing list for some time. Granted, he did not ask to be on my list, but as a popular alternative site who lists his contact info and published my material, I assumed he wanted to recieve the occasional articles/ vids that I send out. A few weeks ago Rivero posted my video interview of a Muslim USMC Vet Fired From Job For 9/11 Truth Sign. However, after I sent Rivero the article and videos from Bermas & Alex Jones Respond To The Jewish Controversy, all further e-mails I sent to him have been returned. He apparently blocked me from all further contact; which is certainly his perogative, but is very revealing. Did daring to mention the "J word" cause him to block me? Apparently. Meanwhile, on the other end of the spectrum, and I almost hate the give this guy publicity, but someone named Eric Hufschmid scoured my website, and posted photos of me and my teeth on his website, alleging I am a 'zionist protector' "jew" "dog" "neanderthal", simply because I link to some Alex Jones material on my website. He claims Jews have a gap between their teeth. For the record I had braces in high school and the gap was completely closed, but it came back when I stopped wearing the retainer. Go figure. By the way, I am half Italian, as well as English/German/Dutch and a lifelong Catholic. Someone posted the topic at the Prisonplanet.com forum, and so far, to their credit, they have allowed the topic and discussion to remain. Whoops! As I write this, I just clicked on the topic and see that it has now also been removed. Here is the google cache of that topic: Jason Bermas: Jew Critics Should Hang themselves Prisonplanet forum member 'Protean' started that thread which had hundreds of replies, going on for at least 11 pages. I do not know if Protean has been banned from the site. The original url of that topic was forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=104796.400 - 98k [google search] Jeff Rense, who recently had a fallout with Alex Jones and was removed from GCN, linked to the original youtube video a few days ago. It had had about 2300 views before Rense linked to it, and now has 17,714 views and 634 comments. The same day Rense posted the original video, a Texe Marrs article entitled Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media?, (5-9-9) which was critical of Bermas' response without naming him, was posted on Rense.com. There is also a youtube clip here, entitled Jason Bermas & Alex Jones called out as Zionist Shills described as an: "Excerpt from RBN Radio with Michael Collins Piper and Guest: Mark Glenn. Two callers expose Jason Bermas & Alex Jones as the Zionist Shills that they are, and talk about the recent controversy with Bermas telling a caller on his show, who brings up Jewish influence on the media, to kill himself." I have not heard that clip yet. And that is all, for now. The fallout from this fiasco seems to have grown far and wide. I stick to my original response, which was that the comments were grossly innapropriate and out of line, especially from Alex Jones websites, which purport to come from a Christian and freedom-loving perspective. Christians and patriots do not threaten or advocate the death, murder of suicide of anyone. it really is as simple as that. May peace be with you all. "When they sin, rebuke them in the presence of all that the rest also may have fear" 1 Timothy 5:20 "Without me you can do nothing" John 15:5 >
By Martin Hill
5-14-09
I also posted the audio of the call on youtube.
Here are some videos of Texe Marrs with Jason Burmas 2009-03-05 pt 5/5 and here. I heard that Texe Marrs discussed this Bermas fiasco on his radio show, but I haven't heard it. ALex Jones has invited Texe Marrs onto his show as a guest for years, as well as selling his books and videos on Infowars; so it would be interesting to hear them discuss this entire issue candidly. Cudos to Texe Marrs for having the guts to address this issue.
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#70. To: Deasy (#67)
Reluctant? Now that's funny. If it wasn't for weddings and funerals I'd never set foot in one ever again. I know what they say. It used to shock me. It doesnt shock me anymore. Now it just pisses me off. Going against churchianities grain made me wonder at first if I was on the right track. Could I and a few others be right, and everyone else be wrong? Believing this implies that I think I am better than the majority. I know FOR A FACT that I am not. I know what a piece of work I am. But I dont wonder about that anymore. Their "brotherly love" is phony. They'll give you a nice hug, just before they stab you in the back and pick your pockets. .
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it's fine that you don't like cops, but not liking churches too? now you are going too far. ;-/
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. You made the assertion. It's up to you to back it up.
It may be phony, but it's killing us. Remember, it was Christians who were the most enthusiastic anti-slavery Yankees. It was Christians who marched with Martin Luther King. Now don't get me wrong: I think slavery is evil. But these people destroyed the Constitution for their phony religious values. They had no problem with bringing poor blacks up and working them at slave wages in their northern factories, and many a Christian joined the Ku Klux Klan when racial tensions (despite everyone's faith) revealed cracks in the facade. Christians lobbied for our entry into WWI and WWII, as well. And what did Ann Coulter say about converting the Muslims after 9/11?
My only assertion is that fundamentalist Christians are funding many of these outreaches. If you don't believe that, that's fine. The conspiracy here is Judeo-Christianity. Until we deal with that, it will go on.
I pulled my punches...;)
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No argument there. I was merely asking who was funding Phelps. I assume it's the same people promoting and also protecting him.
Him personally? I doubt that he has 501c status, so you'll never know.
Christians lobbied for our entry into WWI and WWII, as well. And what did Ann Coulter say about converting the Muslims after 9/11? Coulter? Didn't she(!) say to convert them or murder them? You get no argument from me. How many of Christs' teachings did they have to spit on to do what you rightfully accuse them of doing? Calling them Christians is wrong. Here's my proof. You won't accept it, and neither will most "christians" but I post it to back up what I am saying. Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Luke 9 53 And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. 54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? 55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. 56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village. That sounds like Coulter and others of her ilk. .
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I've simply said that Christ's purported teachings are by definition accessible to all, and therefore are universalist in nature. This has the long term consequence of breaking down ethnic and ancestral foundations of culture. Christianity and its practice becomes more important than heritage. Some argue that this destroyed the Roman empire. Let's remember that Paul was a Greek Jew, schooled in the Prometheus myth and eager to infect the empire with a new iconoclasm. Christ's very teachings demand that we eschew the bonds of race and family and love everyone as ourselves. It sounds good, but in practice, the west's mixture of religion and philosophy has had detrimental consequences. This isn't going away anytime soon. The Romans, finally converted to Christianity themselves, spread it with fire and sword across our ancestral lands. Eventually, we ourselves accepted it. Progress has dictated that it is no longer acceptable to force religion on us. That gives me hope.
I was wondering what you meant by "universalist". But what you say is not true. His teachings are not universalist. He taught in parables. The teachings were hidden. Even his disciples didn't have a clue about what He was talking about until Pentecost. If it was "universalist" in nature, there would not be only God knows how many denominations and there would be no schisms in the Catholic church. It would be plain to all. .
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It’s all I can do to listen to more than a few second of this performance. (Paul Oakenfold live at Ultra Music Fesitval 2004, Southern Sun.) It is as repugnant to me. This adolescent noise in the context of mass euphoria is a phenomenon that we have seen before. It is the antithesis of what makes a strong, balanced and harmonious soul. It is the enemy of civilization. Is this “southern sun” a “black sun” like this? or this? Black sun mosaic, the Nazi “grail castle” at Wewelsburg or this? Here is a watercolor attributed to A. Hitler. I'll tell you what I do. I draw a little magic circle around the center of my spirit and I insulate myself from this sorcery whether it comes in the form of music, art or rhetoric.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. One, that meaning was hidden, does not lead to the other. By universalism I mean racial and ethnic universalism. By definition, Christianity is available to all races.
I've taken you off the ping list, OK?
Who says that magic doesn't work??
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. No, his "church". It takes some pockets to move 20-30 people around on a regular basis like he does.
All you had to do was ask, heh.
I'm not here to ask. I am here to speak.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. Paul taught that. Jesus made it clear that he was here to preach to one group. "Do not go among the Gentiles, or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel." "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
No problem. I welcome your observations. There is something profound in your response to the posts I've been making, which tells me that I'm striking gold.
I think I understand now. Finally. Your definition and mine are different, even if we both were right about our definitions. .
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Thanks. I look around me and I see the consequences of that universalism.
Heil und Frieden.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. Norse Mythology & Black Metal 4:30: It makes me feel connected to something.
My ancestors abide no such discord. You may turn a harp into a drum, but then it is no longer a harp.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. There will be time for harps when we are free again. For now there is discord.
Ho, ho! Das gibt ein langer Krieg. No?
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. I don't mean to say that beautiful things should be suspended. But don't criticize us for being wroth. Anything else would be surrender.
That explanation makes the most sense of all.
I can't think of any other explanation, especially as they seem to get mongo press coverage.
Right, and they do their worst to make people revile "Christians" while saying nothing that remotely resembles Christian grace. Now I ask you, if I was to pay you to make the whole world hate Christianity, What would you do differently?
Beat up some Jews and queers. I bet that's coming when Phelps visits Florida this week.
How we live our lives in relation to one another is the key. Most Christians miss that part of it anyway.... __________________________________________ 2) Religion has been used as the tool to herd people together into the Empire pen like good little sheep.... 1) I totally agree, Blue. You can see it on any forum. (I only visit 3 or 4) 2) Right again and it is still working like a charm. The Jews are way ahead of us insofar that they are 'cohesive', while amongst each other they are fiercely competitive. I do not come from a religious family, therefore I am not religious. I am however interested in reading what people have to say in general. Here is an example after I posted: 2000 Years of Pauline Christianity: Since the fall of the Roman Empire, the force that has most profoundly affected Western culture is Christianity. Its influence is so pervasive that we don't even realize its effect; we just take its rules for granted. This essay explores the results of that influence, the possibility that they could have been different, and certainly the hope that they may be altered in the future. This exploration ends in hope, with the conviction that love, tolerance, acceptance, and compassion were central to Yeshua's teaching and will have a profound effect on mankind in the centuries to come. However, it begins with some negative statements about the Church. Please stay with the explanation past the dark beginning to the light at the end. http://www.nolajbs.net/forum/index.php?topic=10845.0 Quo Todd posted as 'change'.
Since Christianity is an amalgamation of earlier cultures, this is an over-simplification of the situation. From our most holy holidays to the names of our weekdays, these cultures shine through. The basis of our jurisprudence has always been natural and common law, which are Roman and Anglo-Saxon in origin, despite the lies of the Coral Ridge Ministries crowd. Christian nationalists seem to think that western civilization never would have occurred in the first place without Christianity. This is simply untrue. The Greeks got it all started, and they were as pagan as it gets.
Well, if you target one you'll inescapably include the other.
Yes, at that Europe was still in the dark ages.
LOL...
You can't swing a fag by his feather boa without hitting a Jew or two.
The "dark ages" as a term is received with less acceptance today than ever before. In any case, the zenith of Greek civilization period was well before the Roman era. And during the era of Greek Hellenism, Celts, Goths, and Teutons had their own cultures that were thriving. In fact, the Celts successfully invaded Greece in 300bc. The "dark ages," however dark it was or not, came after the fall of the Roman empire. Medieval Catholicism has the honor of both preserving classical literature during this time, and mostly destroying native Germanic and Celtic cultures, much to our loss. Charlemagne destroyed the symbolic Irminsul column near the Teutoberger Forest in 772, and effectively stamped out Germanic religion on the European continent. Christian Catholic monks, praised for archiving the records of earlier civilizations during the "dark" ages, probably embellished written accounts of the Classical period in order to bolster their religious values.
Oh, I never do that!
You seem reluctant to attend church.
It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
#71. To: PSUSA (#70)
If it wasn't for weddings and funerals I'd never set foot in one ever again. They'll give you a nice hug, just before they stab you in the back and pick your pockets
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#72. To: Deasy (#69)
Search for it, and I'm sure you'll come up with names if you want them.
#73. To: PSUSA (#70)
Their "brotherly love" is phony. They'll give you a nice hug, just before they stab you in the back and pick your pockets.
#74. To: bluegrass (#72)
It's up to you to back it up.
#75. To: Artisan (#71)
it's fine that you don't like cops, but not liking churches too? now you are going too far. ;-/
It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
#76. To: Deasy (#74)
The conspiracy here is Judeo-Christianity.
#77. To: bluegrass (#76)
#78. To: Deasy (#73)
It may be phony, but it's killing us. Remember, it was Christians who were the most enthusiastic anti-slavery Yankees. It was Christians who marched with Martin Luther King. Now don't get me wrong: I think slavery is evil. But these people destroyed the Constitution for their phony religious values. They had no problem with bringing poor blacks up and working them at slave wages in their northern factories, and many a Christian joined the Ku Klux Klan when racial tensions (despite everyone's faith) revealed cracks in the facade.
It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
#79. To: PSUSA (#78)
How many of Christs' teachings did they have to spit on to do what you rightfully accuse them of doing? Calling them Christians is wrong.
#80. To: Deasy (#79)
I've simply said that Christ's purported teachings are by definition accessible to all, and therefore are universalist in nature.
It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
#81. To: Deasy (#23)
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#82. To: PSUSA (#80)
#83. To: randge (#81)
I draw a little magic circle around the center of my spirit and I insulate myself from this sorcery whether it comes in the form of music, art or rhetoric.
#84. To: Deasy (#83)
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#85. To: Deasy (#77)
Him personally?
#86. To: randge (#84)
#87. To: Deasy (#86)
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#88. To: Deasy (#79)
Christ's very teachings demand that we eschew the bonds of race and family and love everyone as ourselves.
#89. To: randge (#87)
#90. To: Deasy (#82)
It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
#91. To: PSUSA (#90)
#92. To: Deasy (#89)
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#93. To: randge, *Up to the Sun* (#92)
#94. To: Deasy (#93)
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#95. To: randge (#94)
#96. To: Deasy (#95)
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#97. To: randge (#96)
#98. To: bluegrass (#18)
Good lord. Phelps and Co. are straight-up psy-ops working in plain sight.
#99. To: HOUNDDAWG (#98)
#100. To: bluegrass (#99)
I can't think of any other explanation, especially as they seem to get mongo press coverage.
#101. To: HOUNDDAWG (#100)
if I was to pay you to make the whole world hate Christianity, What would you do differently?
#102. To: bluegrass, Deasy (#43)
1) From your previous post:
#103. To: sushigirl (#102)
Since the fall of the Roman Empire, the force that has most profoundly affected Western culture is Christianity.
#104. To: bluegrass (#101)
Beat up some Jews and queers.
#105. To: Deasy (#103)
The Greeks got it all started, and they were as pagan as it gets.
#106. To: HOUNDDAWG (#104)
Well, if you target one you'll inescapably include the other.
#107. To: HOUNDDAWG (#104)
#108. To: sushigirl, christine (#105)
Yes, at that Europe was still in the dark ages.
#109. To: bluegrass (#107)
"You can't swing a fag by his feather boa...."
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