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Title: Fear and Censorship Rampant In "Patriot" Community
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Published: May 14, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-05-14 18:06:38 by Artisan
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Fear and Censorship Rampant In "Patriot" Community


By Martin Hill
5-14-09

"He that sees another in error, and endeavors not to correct it, testifies himself to be in error" -Pope St. Leo I

Let me preface this by saying that I have never been obsessed or fixated on 'zionist' or "Jews vs. Arab" topic, as so many seem to be today. I was not concerned with Jews or zionists, or muslims, and had never even met a Jew until I was probably in my 20's. I was raised in an upper middle class Catholic home in Southern California. The topic is an interesting one, though, particularly regarding people's fear of touching the subject. I am all for free discussion of any topic. Nothing should be verboten. The recent response to a topic I helped create has been fascinating to say the least.

I am very much against threatening anyone for their speech. This applies to neocons, leftists, 'patriots', or anyone else. Keep in mind I was instrumental in getting coverage on the Michael Reagan issue, when he threatened 9/11 truther Mark Dice on the radio. I even called Reagan up personally and we discussed it, and I told him he was wrong. That as well as many other aspects of this were covered on Clearchannel's KFI Los Angeles, Infowars, PrisonPlanet, etc. Here is the index page of some of that coverage.

Now onto the current controversy. It all started last month when I was listening to the INFOWARS stream via my cell phone, and caught a very disturbing exchange between Jason Bermas and a caller. I wrote an article about it on Op-Ed News a few days later entitled 'InfoWarrior' Jason Bermas: Jew Critics Are 'Anti-Semites' Who Should Hang Or Electrocute Themselves (4-19-09)
I also posted the audio of the call on youtube.

I also posted it on Michael A. Nystrom's website DailyPaul.com, which is a popular site for Ron Paul supporters. After the topic garnered 3 pages of replies from members, the daily paul froze the topic, preventing anyone from responding further, thus pushing it off the front page, off the website and down the memory hole. See: 'InfoWarrior' Jason Bermas: Jew Critics Are 'Anti-Semites' Who Should Hang Or Electrocute Themselves

A few days later Bermas and Jones replied about my op-ed piece and youtube vid. Here is their response, Bermas and Alex Jones Respond To the Jewish Controversy part 1 and part 2. Jones and Bermas also responded to the original caller himself when he called in. Their response to the caller seemed nearly as innapropriate as Bermas's first response, and seemed to make the situation worse. I posted the article about their response, as well as the vid, on Op-Ed News: Bermas & Alex Jones Respond To The Jewish Controversy on April 23, 2009.

Since the original topic had generated so much interest, I also posted the follow up on the Daily Paul only to have it immediately removed. I was also immediately permanenently banned from the DailyPaul.com without reason. I guess Nystrom, the owner of the Ron Paul adulation site does not support free expression and intellectual discussion any more than Bermas does.

The owner ot Op-Ed News, however, Rob Kall, who I believe is Jewish, did not remove my articles. Mr. Kall should be commended for giving people the opportunity to publish and discuss articles. He obviously is nothing like the paranoid politically-correct control freaks that abound everywhere else on the net, even in the purported 'patriot community'.

Mike Rivero of WhatReallyHappened.com has posted at least two of my videos that I know of, including Rest in Peace Pete Nosan. Pete was a friend of mine and a tax freedom advocate who served as Restore the Republic CA Chapter leader. He tragically killed himself last year after the IRS came to his job and threatened him). Here is the cache from his site, in case Rivero denies or erases it.

I have included Rivero on my mailing list for some time. Granted, he did not ask to be on my list, but as a popular alternative site who lists his contact info and published my material, I assumed he wanted to recieve the occasional articles/ vids that I send out. A few weeks ago Rivero posted my video interview of a Muslim USMC Vet Fired From Job For 9/11 Truth Sign. However, after I sent Rivero the article and videos from Bermas & Alex Jones Respond To The Jewish Controversy, all further e-mails I sent to him have been returned. He apparently blocked me from all further contact; which is certainly his perogative, but is very revealing. Did daring to mention the "J word" cause him to block me? Apparently.

Meanwhile, on the other end of the spectrum, and I almost hate the give this guy publicity, but someone named Eric Hufschmid scoured my website, and posted photos of me and my teeth on his website, alleging I am a 'zionist protector' "jew" "dog" "neanderthal", simply because I link to some Alex Jones material on my website. He claims Jews have a gap between their teeth. For the record I had braces in high school and the gap was completely closed, but it came back when I stopped wearing the retainer. Go figure. By the way, I am half Italian, as well as English/German/Dutch and a lifelong Catholic.

Someone posted the topic at the Prisonplanet.com forum, and so far, to their credit, they have allowed the topic and discussion to remain. Whoops! As I write this, I just clicked on the topic and see that it has now also been removed. Here is the google cache of that topic: Jason Bermas: Jew Critics Should Hang themselves Prisonplanet forum member 'Protean' started that thread which had hundreds of replies, going on for at least 11 pages. I do not know if Protean has been banned from the site. The original url of that topic was forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=104796.400 - 98k [google search]

Jeff Rense, who recently had a fallout with Alex Jones and was removed from GCN, linked to the original youtube video a few days ago. It had had about 2300 views before Rense linked to it, and now has 17,714 views and 634 comments.

The same day Rense posted the original video, a Texe Marrs article entitled Do The Jews Own Hollywood And The Media?, (5-9-9) which was critical of Bermas' response without naming him, was posted on Rense.com.
Here are some videos of Texe Marrs with Jason Burmas 2009-03-05 pt 5/5 and here. I heard that Texe Marrs discussed this Bermas fiasco on his radio show, but I haven't heard it. ALex Jones has invited Texe Marrs onto his show as a guest for years, as well as selling his books and videos on Infowars; so it would be interesting to hear them discuss this entire issue candidly. Cudos to Texe Marrs for having the guts to address this issue.

There is also a youtube clip here, entitled Jason Bermas & Alex Jones called out as Zionist Shills described as an: "Excerpt from RBN Radio with Michael Collins Piper and Guest: Mark Glenn. Two callers expose Jason Bermas & Alex Jones as the Zionist Shills that they are, and talk about the recent controversy with Bermas telling a caller on his show, who brings up Jewish influence on the media, to kill himself." I have not heard that clip yet.

And that is all, for now. The fallout from this fiasco seems to have grown far and wide. I stick to my original response, which was that the comments were grossly innapropriate and out of line, especially from Alex Jones websites, which purport to come from a Christian and freedom-loving perspective. Christians and patriots do not threaten or advocate the death, murder of suicide of anyone. it really is as simple as that.

May peace be with you all.

"When they sin, rebuke them in the presence of all that the rest also may have fear" 1 Timothy 5:20

"Without me you can do nothing" John 15:5 >

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#19. To: bluegrass (#18)

Who is Fred Phelps?

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-05-16   8:00:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Itistoolate (#19)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelp s

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bluegrass  posted on  2009-05-16   8:01:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: bluegrass (#20)

Is he the father of Eric jon Phelps?

www.vaticanassassins.org/

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-05-16   8:04:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Artisan, HOUNDDAWG, bluegrass, twentytwelve, original_intent, jethro tull, fred mertz, christine, itistoolate, rickyj, deasy, noone222, Lady X (#17)

... You are correct; in recent weeks there has been an obvious campaign to try to get the patriot movement to turn on itself. ... webmaster What Really Happened

That is code for "Our leadership power is slipping away from us. I need to rally the troops". I quit going to riveros' site after he started singing the praises of the obamessiah. I dont take anything he says seriously, because he knew better.

The "patriot movement" is not turning on itself. IT's turning on those that have the unmitigated gall to call themselves, or encourage others to call them, "leaders" in the movement. Those "leaders" are the traitors.

That is all a Good Thing, really. People need to think for themselves without turning to a "leader" for guidance. You don't need guidance from anyone.

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It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.

It's a forum post, not a doctoral thesis.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-05-16   8:28:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: PSUSA, Artisan, HOUNDDAWG, bluegrass, twentytwelve, original_intent, jethro tull, fred mertz, christine, itistoolate, rickyj, deasy, noone222, Lady X, sushigirl, *Up to the Sun*, *Up to the Sun* (#22)

My position continues to be that religion is the enabler of the Alex Jones reluctance to indict Jewish influence over America. I know my fellow Americans well, and this is what I see in their souls. They can't part with the Zionist Jew because he's in their Old Testament. I pity rather than revile Jones. The Integralism of the Flange movement in Spain during the 1920s and 1930s represents a notable exception, but when a political movement chooses the Catholic royalist way over absolute individual religious liberty, things are no better.

American Christians: free yourselves of this Judaic mythology, or doom your faith to remain a prison for your eternal offspring. You need a new reformation. I do not expect that to happen, and for the same reason you can expect nothing of real consequence from the Alex Jones camp, as tied to hollow religious references as it is.

The old pagan ways are returning, as witnessed in the rave movement. I foresee a release from our bondage when western youth simple don't care about Christianity any longer. The moment is near.

Paul Oakenfold live at Ultra Music Fesitval 2004, Southern Sun.

Deasy  posted on  2009-05-16   8:49:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Deasy (#23)

The old pagan ways are returning, as witnessed in the rave movement. I foresee a release from our bondage when western youth simple don't care about Christianity any longer. The moment is near.

It has nothing to do with Christianity. It has everything to do with churchianity.

I understand how you lump them together, and your hostility to it, but they're not the same thing.

Paganism, IMO, is just another form of bondage, same as churchianity.

Their religious roots are not the problem, IMO. Because I have yet to count how many of Christs' teachings and scripture they have to ignore in order to have their traditions and to justify what they do.

You said They can't part with the Zionist Jew because he's in their Old Testament.

The were in the New Testament. They were called Pharisees and others. Seems I recollect Christ didn't think too highly of them. Especially when he kicked the moneychangers out of the temple or when they thought they had Him trapped by playing silly games with Him. He sent them away like whipped dogs.

So, to this very day they hate Him, and those that are Christians. Why? Because they know that we know what they are all about. It's not the atheists that are really concerned about them, because lets face it, there's much worse carnage going on right now than what's happening in "israel". They just latch onto it because they think it proves their case that there is no God.

This fight was going on against zionism long before Hertzl (sp?) wrote his books.

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It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.

It's a forum post, not a doctoral thesis.

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-05-16   9:23:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: PSUSA (#24)

Our ancestors knew nothing of Christianity. They didn't need it. We don't need it, either. Even without its Judaic roots, it's a universalist belief system that denies the significance of one's heritage.

Deasy  posted on  2009-05-16   9:26:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: PSUSA, Deasy (#24)

It has nothing to do with Christianity. It has everything to do with churchianity.

Bingo.

The correct meanings of 'Church' and 'Ecclesia'

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bluegrass  posted on  2009-05-16   9:32:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: bluegrass, PSUSA (#26)

You both are denying the fundamentally universalist nature of the religion. That's the key. The universalism requires us to deny something essential about ourselves.

Deasy  posted on  2009-05-16   9:39:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Deasy, PSUSA (#25)

it's a universalist belief system that denies the significance of one's heritage.

Were that true, Syriac Christians would have disappeared long ago.

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bluegrass  posted on  2009-05-16   9:41:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: bluegrass (#28)

I really don't follow that argument. Montheism can be transmitted in a variety of ways. It's appealing because it informs the believer that he knows what is right for all mankind.

Deasy  posted on  2009-05-16   9:43:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Deasy (#27)

The universalism requires us to deny something essential about ourselves.

I have no issue with universalism per se (Paganism has aspects of universalism also). I object to any belief system that compels or coerces one to be a universalist.

That's the key: coercion.

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bluegrass  posted on  2009-05-16   9:44:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Deasy (#29)

My point is that Syriac Christians have been around for over 1600 years. They don't deny their heritage.

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bluegrass  posted on  2009-05-16   9:46:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: bluegrass (#30)

Christ died to save everyone. You can't get more universalist than that. It's embedded in the faith.

Deasy  posted on  2009-05-16   9:47:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: bluegrass (#31)

My point is that Syriac Christians have been around for over 1600 years. They don't deny their heritage.

The connection is faith, not blood.

Deasy  posted on  2009-05-16   9:50:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Deasy (#32)

Christ died to save everyone. You can't get more universalist than that. It's embedded in the faith.

Matt 7:

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you lawless ones!'"

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bluegrass  posted on  2009-05-16   9:53:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Deasy (#33)

One is born into Orthodox faiths. The converts tend to be nutjobs.

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bluegrass  posted on  2009-05-16   9:54:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: bluegrass (#30)

Paganism has aspects of universalism also.

Of course. Christianity has its roots in Pagan universalist belief systems like Mithra and Zoroastrianism. One could argue that the Greek religion was indigenous until the Hellenist period when they figured they could convert everyone. And look what happened to them after that.

Deasy  posted on  2009-05-16   9:54:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: bluegrass (#34)

Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you lawless ones!'"

Nothing non-universalist here. You can get into heaven if you (have faith/believe/pursue the right incantations). The Christ will save anyone who does what he says.

Deasy  posted on  2009-05-16   9:56:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: bluegrass (#35)

One is born into Orthodox faiths. The converts tend to be nutjobs.

Funny, but again, there's nothing non-universalist here.

Deasy  posted on  2009-05-16   9:57:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Deasy (#36)

Christianity has its roots in Pagan universalist belief systems like Mithra and Zoroastrianism.

Absolutely.

I suppose what makes a me a conservative is that I'm loathe to reject any system or institution that's been around for multiple centuries and has left a collection of wisdom and folly (known as scripture) for us to peruse. All scriptures of every religion have pearls buried in the muck. It just takes a little time to find the pearls.

The same can't be said of the edicts, proclamations and Executive Orders of popinjays that think they rule the roost. ; )

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-05-16   9:59:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Deasy (#37)

You can get into heaven if you (have faith/believe/pursue the right incantations). The Christ will save anyone who does what he says.

Incorrect. Faith/incantations aren't enough. That's the point of the quote from Matthew.

How we live our lives in relation to one another is the key. Most Christians miss that part of it anyway.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-05-16   10:01:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: bluegrass (#39)

I suppose what makes a me a conservative is that I'm loathe to reject any system or institution that's been around for multiple centuries and has left a collection of wisdom and folly (known as scripture) for us to peruse.

Monotheistic follies are the core of tyranny on a deeply philosophical level, because their adherents assume that they are right for all, and that all are subject to their values. This is in stark opposition to what science and personal perceptions inform the individual. I do not claim to be a "conservative," in any case. I know what I know, and that's enough for me. Monotheism would deny that fundamental right, and often it does.

Deasy  posted on  2009-05-16   10:05:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: bluegrass (#40)

How we live our lives in relation to one another is the key.

Yes, a fundamentally universalist concept. The universalist, all-knowing, all-caring God loves those poor Mexican immigrants just as much as you and me. They can be saved if they live their lives in relation to one another properly.

Deasy  posted on  2009-05-16   10:07:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Deasy (#41)

I do not claim to be a "conservative"

I meant in the true sense, not in the Hannitized sense.

Monotheistic follies are the core of tyranny on a deeply philosophical level, because their adherents assume that they are right for all, and that all are subject to their values.

The tendency to Empire is the basis of tyranny. Religion has been used as the tool to herd people together into the Empire pen like good little sheep.

Tools, by their nature, are neutral. We can hammmer a nail or hammer our neighbor's skull. Likewise, we can use religion as a true binding of community or we can use it to smash other communities. The difference is the corrupt tendency to rule others that manifests as Empire.

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bluegrass  posted on  2009-05-16   10:12:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: bluegrass (#43)

You're evading the universalist core of any monotheistic faith that accepts all converts.

Deasy  posted on  2009-05-16   10:13:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Deasy (#42)

Do you believe in some form of existence after this one?

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bluegrass  posted on  2009-05-16   10:14:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Deasy (#44)

Pagans don't seem too particular about who they accept.

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bluegrass  posted on  2009-05-16   10:15:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: bluegrass (#46)

Pagans don't seem too particular about who they accept.

You're talking about the New Age pagans. Most of what they believe is malarkey. A good portion of it is Masonic.

Deasy  posted on  2009-05-16   10:16:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: bluegrass (#45)

Do you believe in some form of existence after this one?

That's a complicated question. In your terms, no.

Deasy  posted on  2009-05-16   10:17:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Deasy (#48)

To be honest, I don't think you know me well enough to know what my idea of what comes after this is as we've never discussed it.

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bluegrass  posted on  2009-05-16   10:20:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: bluegrass (#49)

Fair enough. You're arguing on behalf of Christianity here, though.

Deasy  posted on  2009-05-16   10:24:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Deasy (#50)

You're arguing on behalf of Christianity here, though.

I can see the confusion.

For the record, I don't believe in heaven, hell or the fact that Jesus can get me into or out of one or the other. I do believe that this brief corporeal existence is a very small part of what we really are.

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-05-16   10:32:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: bluegrass (#51)

For the record, I trust the blood in my veins.

Deasy  posted on  2009-05-16   10:33:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Deasy (#25)

Our ancestors knew nothing of Christianity. They didn't need it. We don't need it, either. Even without its Judaic roots, it's a universalist belief system that denies the significance of one's heritage.

Are you saying that all was well with your pagan ancestors? That everything was sweetness and light? Please dont start in with the "nobel Indian" type of nonsense. They weren't little angels either. No one is innocent. Looking at history thru rose colored glasses will give you a very distorted view.

But again, I understand your hostility and I won't try and "convert" you. That is not my job. If it was, I'd only screw it up. You have the God given right to believe whatever you want to believe.

Christianity says that will change, but I know you dont believe that.

Tell you what. After it's all said and done, one of us will be able to say to the other "I told you so". You think you will be able to say that. I say I will say that. Time will tell ;)

You made one point I agree with, and that is the universalist argument. Everyone will be saved. But the judgement is going to be rather unpleasant for some people.

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It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.

It's a forum post, not a doctoral thesis.

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-05-16   10:38:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Deasy (#52)

For the record, I trust the blood in my veins.

What's left when your blood runs dry and your veins turn to dust?

Eff the Bankers

bluegrass  posted on  2009-05-16   10:41:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: PSUSA (#53)

Are you saying that all was well with your pagan ancestors? That everything was sweetness and light?

How do you define "sweetness and light?" Please be specific. And don't ask me to be happy with what we have, what Christianity has given us. I don't want to "go back" to the day when America's founders stated that all would be welcome here.

It's not a matter of being happy. It's a matter of survival. The numbers show that we are going extinct. I want to live. My ancestors wanted to live, and they made it somehow. Christianity has begun to unravel that. The faith is as it does. Don't give me that "churchianity" excuse. The religion is what it is.

Deasy  posted on  2009-05-16   10:42:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: bluegrass (#54)

What's left when your blood runs dry and your veins turn to dust?

Ask the Census bureau.

Deasy  posted on  2009-05-16   10:43:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: bluegrass, psusa, deasy, christine, fred mertz (#18)

A little off topic, but I spent some time looking at Fred Phelps and his 'church' last night as I'd never paid them any mind.

Good lord. Phelps and Co. are straight-up psy-ops working in plain sight.

i met some of them last summer and asked them about 911 being an inside job. it was pretty funny.

phelps church on 911:

this 2nd one is particularly funny especially at the end. 4 minutes. LOL!

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-05-16   10:43:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Deasy (#56)

So our being is predicated on only the transitory?

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bluegrass  posted on  2009-05-16   10:46:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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