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Title: Emotional Goodbye For Afghanistan-Bound Marines (listen if you dare)
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URL Source: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104267469
Published: May 18, 2009
Author: Catherine Welch
Post Date: 2009-05-18 19:10:22 by Deasy
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Listen Now [5 min 33 sec] add to playlist Marines prepare for deployment as part of the 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade, the first major deployment of U.S. Marines into southern Afghanistan. Lance Cpl. Josh Apsey, 18, waves and blows kisses to his family after boarding a bus for the first leg of his trip to Afghanistan on Saturday. All Things Considered, May 18, 2009 · The Marines known as "America's Battalion" are heading to Afghanistan. They are part of the 21,000 additional forces President Obama is deploying in the administration's new strategy for the war effort in Afghanistan. The mission of these Marines will take them to places American forces have rarely been in large numbers. Over the months of their deployment, NPR will focus on the people — the Marines and their families — who will carry the fight in Afghanistan and the burden of keeping life together at home. The Marines of the 2nd Battalion, 8th Regiment have been working hard, preparing for war in Afghanistan. But over the weekend at their home base at North Carolina's Camp Lejeune, it was all about meeting with family and friends, and saying goodbye. At first glance it looked like a large Sunday picnic. A rectangular lawn at the base was filled with hundreds of people. In one spot, a family sat in beach chairs talking; nearby, a young couple stood forehead-to-forehead holding each other tightly. Tom and Vicki Apsey, with their daughter, drove through the night — 11 hours from Tampa, Fla. — to be with their son, 18-year-old Lance Cpl. Josh Apsey. A Bible And Pictures From Home Tom Apsey said his son had talked about being a Marine since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, but the family thought their then-10-year-old would outgrow the idea. "But he continually talked about it, and he started working toward it. It was a goal of his, and he's exactly where he wanted to be. So, as a father, I definitely couldn't be any prouder of him," he said. With about a year of Marine training under his belt, Josh Apsey said he is ready to go. "My mom, she got me a journal and inserted a few pictures in there, and she's written me a few letters; and I have pictures of my girlfriend and letters from her, as well; and I have a Bible that I keep that all in right now," he said. Josh said his Bible is his most important keepsake for this first mission overseas. In the past few days, mother and son read through the Bible together, going over passages from Proverbs and Psalms. "One of my favorites, Psalm 21: 'Where does my help come from? It comes from the Lord,' " she said. The battalion chaplain, Lt. Terry Roberts, said it is his job to remind the men of their spiritual side, which is often neglected in the heat of battle. Roberts, a Baptist preacher from the hills of Kentucky, spoke from experience. This is his fifth deployment. A Line Of Buses And The Difficult Goodbye The banter between Marines and their family members subsided as the empty buses pulled up to ferry the Marines to the airport. The Marines won't be in touch with their families again until they reach Afghanistan — and then, communication by telephone and e-mail will be difficult. "You know they have come out with a new machine. It's a one-button, text-messaging machine," Roberts quipped, pulling a pen out of his pocket to make the point that the men must learn to write letters. The Marines piled the gear onto the back of a tractor-trailer. Then, they lined up and boarded the buses as loved ones clapped and cried. Before the caravan had rounded the corner and was out of sight, the families had shuffled off to their cars. At the end of the day, a handful of Marines combed the empty lawn, picking up trash and preparing the same patch for the next crowd of families, who will gather outside the headquarters of America's Battalion to say goodbye. Emotional Goodbye For Afghanistan-Bound Marines
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#1. To: christine, lodwick, Disgusted, Jethro Tull, Phant2000, Cynicom, PSUSA, Artisan, HOUNDDAWG, bluegrass, original_intent, fred mertz, Lady X, sushigirl (#0)
It's too bad that someone isn't leading them to DC where they could do more good.
stupid kid. wonder how long it will take him being there to get a clue.
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
A gift from the administration of HOPE & CHANGE™. uh huh.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Hopefully, he will wise up and get out before he gets killed. Afghanistan is a burial ground for would-be occupiers. If anyone needs to know about that all they need to do is ask the Soviets. They didn't have much luck there, at least not good luck. De Hopemobile come a bustin' thru' Afganystan.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I hope he comes back as on fire as Adam Kokesh. He'll be hardened by what he endures out there in the mountains.
Not stupid Christine. By no means. Immature, unsophisticated indeed, stupid no. I met a lot of other "kids", never a stupid one. A lot of different circumstances brought us together, we each had our own reason. We all became men over night. Consider this, without these kids volunteering for whatever reason, we would have a draft now rather than later.
If they could have only kept him on the "short bus" where he belongs, he wouldn't have been able to leave our shores.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
If you say that about him, say it about his parents, and his teachers, his ministers, his grandparents and aunts and uncles. Say it about his community. Say it about his nation. We said we would stop slavery, make the world safe for democracy, and end poverty in a generation. Instead we got this.
Well, we are still waiting for your draft, which has been "imminent" for several years now. No, I agree with Christine. The kid is stupid. He has had almost eight years to figure out the "war on 'terra'" is a scam and still flunked. This is indicative of an IQ slightly above that of plant life.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
What you mean "we," Kemo Sabe?
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
Your conspiratorial outlook helped you to see that things weren't OK. Not everyone is equipped with your preoccupations.
WOW! He said what I was thinking, (only more eloquently) I'm in. Where do I send the check?
"America without her freedoms, is like a body without a soul" - Adam Kokesh
freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=100493 I see you've already found his C4L election campaign announcement thread.
I heard your refrain first in the late 1930s, Roosevelt led the same type of Sam Houston song way back then. Sam, the huge majority of Americans back then bought into your refrain. For two long years it went on and on, all the while Roosevelt and the government were trying to find some way to make Americans swallow the dreaded draft pill. Guess what Sam????? Swallow we did. Wont happen again???? Try 1948, the draft was once again instituted, this time during peace time. May I assume you were around by then to lead the protests???? Somehow I think not. Then up popped Vietnam, did you lead a protest march Sam???? I suspect not. Without volunteers, perhaps your children or grand children would be dragged off to war. Be careful whom you label stupid.
Cyni, i don't see today's enlistees in any way like those who were drafted in past wars. this boy had a choice. he has not done his due dilligence as far as research. there is access to much history, especially Viet Nam from which he could have learned. if not himself, then his parents could have. they have done him a great injustice by encouraging and supporting his decision.
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
now there's a smart kid. "it is our duty to resist"
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
Christine, I see this a different way. Despite our growing list of interactive communications venues, 4um and others like it included, the flow of information is more controlled now than ever before. Jewish power and influence in the areas of media, education, and government builds on itself. What could bring a whole nation into the first world war could also build additional mechanisms of influence between then and now. We live in a society with very tightly controlled opinions.
that's the kind of passionate leadership we need!
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
God bless you Adam Kokesh. You sir, are an American hero *and* a leader.
well, i disagree. this boy and his parents have access to the same information that you and i and the adam kokesh's have. he failed to do his due diligence. he learned nothing from age 10 to now. he will learn the hard way now.
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
I have a neighbor that has a son in Iraq on his second tour. This young man is far from "stupid". Being from a family of modest means, he made the mistake of taking government help to finance medical school. He is on duty 24/7 as a surgeon, amputating the limbs of young kids and old men, day after day, telling them all the same lies, as to how they will be "fine", the government and the military will take care of them, etc etc. Once again, I would never, ever, attempt to judge how any youngster got there, I did not walk in their shoes, I did walk in mine, as a volunteer and people were only too happy to see the "stupid" kids of the lower class be gone. And then the military decided there were not enough stupid volunteers and out went the dragnet. The weeping and wailing by the parents was endless, surely their prized children should be exempt? A few days ago an Army Sgt. was killed in the ME at age 60. He had learned nothing but again he was not stupid. He had 40 years to learn.
Do I so agree with that sentiment.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Six weeks, for the first doubts to creep in. Unless hes a rapture nutter- than anything goes.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Try expressing concerns about excessive militarism in our country in 99% of the christian churches in the US and see what happens. In my church the subject is verbotem. The war dosen't exist unless some nut comes in to talk about Armageddon and Israel and the satan worshiping heathens. The usual ancient crapolla. Here it is damn near the greatest concern of our times ----- and the silence is deafening.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" Yes, Yes Yes. Governments have taken advantage of boys since the morning of "civilization".
"Satan / Cheney in "08" One of the best videos I have seen posted on here. Sure wish we had 435 like him in the House and 100 in the Senate. Wouldn't make much difference who the president was if we had that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Many people don't have the time to devote to trying to understand why things are so upside down from what they ought to be in a free republic based on the rule of law. And most of what the MSM tells us makes sense if we don't understand the complexity of the Federal Reserve's history and the history of Zionism. Even here, most 4um readers are unwilling to look hard at how these things could happen to America. We're talking about trying to change a whole society. And most people aren't as concerned about real liberty as we are, anyway. The things that propelled you and I to look deeper just don't matter to the NASCAR patriots. What we want to do takes a miracle.
i'm betting that today, you'd not volunteer. circumstances are much different now than they were when you did. it was before Viet Nam and before the phony War on Terror. another bet, he and his parents voted for more war.
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
It's up to the Boomer generation to bury their parents and finally leave behind the lies of the second and first world wars. Only we can do it. Those lies were the lies repeated to justify the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions, and the forceful ejection of Arabs from Palestine so that the Jewish "victims" could finally have a "home." We're the ones who have to put a stop to this madness.
whatever the excuse, they have to take responsibility for that, don't they?
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
Their brand of Christianity voids and nullifies that obligation.
That effort has been carried on by foreign interests, and by a small minority of our own people; but it has been so successful that, today, our country stands on the verge of war. At this time, as the war is about to enter its third winter, it seems appropriate to review the circumstances that have led us to our present position. Why are we on the verge of war? Was it necessary for us to become so deeply involved? Who is responsible for changing our national policy from one of neutrality and independence to one of entanglement in European affairs? Personally, I believe there is no better argument against our intervention than a study of the causes and developments of the present war. I have often said that if the true facts and issues were placed before the American people, there would be no danger of our involvement. Here, I would like to point out to you a fundamental difference between the groups who advocate foreign war, and those who believe in an independent destiny for America. If you will look back over the record, you will find that those of us who oppose intervention have constantly tried to clarify facts and issues; while the interventionists have tried to hide facts and confuse issues. We ask you to read what we said last month, last year, and even before the war began. Our record is open and clear, and we are proud of it. We have not led you on by subterfuge and propaganda. We have not resorted to steps short of anything, in order to take the American people where they did not want to go. What we said before the elections, we say [illegible] and again, and again today. And we will not tell you tomorrow that it was just campaign oratory. Have you ever heard an interventionist, or a British agent, or a member of the administration in Washington ask you to go back and study a record of what they have said since the war started? Are their self-styled defenders of democracy willing to put the issue of war to a vote of our people? Do you find these crusaders for foreign freedom of speech, or the removal of censorship here in our own country? The subterfuge and propaganda that exists in our country is obvious on every side. Tonight, I shall try to pierce through a portion of it, to the naked facts which lie beneath. When this war started in Europe, it was clear that the American people were solidly opposed to entering it. Why shouldn't we be? We had the best defensive position in the world; we had a tradition of independence from Europe; and the one time we did take part in a European war left European problems unsolved, and debts to America unpaid. National polls showed that when England and France declared war on Germany, in 1939, less than 10 percent of our population favored a similar course for America. But there were various groups of people, here and abroad, whose interests and beliefs necessitated the involvement of the United States in the war. I shall point out some of these groups tonight, and outline their methods of procedure. In doing this, I must speak with the utmost frankness, for in order to counteract their efforts, we must know exactly who they are. The three most important groups who have been pressing this country toward war are the British, the Jewish and the Roosevelt administration. Behind these groups, but of lesser importance, are a number of capitalists, Anglophiles, and intellectuals who believe that the future of mankind depends upon the domination of the British empire. Add to these the Communistic groups who were opposed to intervention until a few weeks ago, and I believe I have named the major war agitators in this country. I am speaking here only of war agitators, not of those sincere but misguided men and women who, confused by misinformation and frightened by propaganda, follow the lead of the war agitators. As I have said, these war agitators comprise only a small minority of our people; but they control a tremendous influence. Against the determination of the American people to stay out of war, they have marshaled the power of their propaganda, their money, their patronage. Let us consider these groups, one at a time. First, the British: It is obvious and perfectly understandable that Great Britain wants the United States in the war on her side. England is now in a desperate position. Her population is not large enough and her armies are not strong enough to invade the continent of Europe and win the war she declared against Germany. Her geographical position is such that she cannot win the war by the use of aviation alone, regardless of how many planes we send her. Even if America entered the war, it is improbable that the Allied armies could invade Europe and overwhelm the Axis powers. But one thing is certain. If England can draw this country into the war, she can shift to our shoulders a large portion of the responsibility for waging it and for paying its cost. As you all know, we were left with the debts of the last European war; and unless we are more cautious in the future than we have been in the past, we will be left with the debts of the present case. If it were not for her hope that she can make us responsible for the war financially, as well as militarily, I believe England would have negotiated a peace in Europe many months ago, and be better off for doing so. England has devoted, and will continue to devote every effort to get us into the war. We know that she spent huge sums of money in this country during the last war in order to involve us. Englishmen have written books about the cleverness of its use. We know that England is spending great sums of money for propaganda in America during the present war. If we were Englishmen, we would do the same. But our interest is first in America; and as Americans, it is essential for us to realize the effort that British interests are making to draw us into their war. The second major group I mentioned is the Jewish. It is not difficult to understand why Jewish people desire the overthrow of Nazi Germany. The persecution they suffered in Germany would be sufficient to make bitter enemies of any race. No person with a sense of the dignity of mankind can condone the persecution of the Jewish race in Germany. But no person of honesty and vision can look on their pro-war policy here today without seeing the dangers involved in such a policy both for us and for them. Instead of agitating for war, the Jewish groups in this country should be opposing it in every possible way for they will be among the first to feel its consequences. Tolerance is a virtue that depends upon peace and strength. History shows that it cannot survive war and devastations. A few far-sighted Jewish people realize this and stand opposed to intervention. But the majority still do not. Their greatest danger to this country lies in their large ownership and influence in our motion pictures, our press, our radio and our government. I am not attacking either the Jewish or the British people. Both races, I admire. But I am saying that the leaders of both the British and the Jewish races, for reasons which are as understandable from their viewpoint as they are inadvisable from ours, for reasons which are not American, wish to involve us in the war. We cannot blame them for looking out for what they believe to be their own interests, but we also must look out for ours. We cannot allow the natural passions and prejudices of other peoples to lead our country to destruction. The Roosevelt administration is the third powerful group which has been carrying this country toward war. Its members have used the war emergency to obtain a third presidential term for the first time in American history. They have used the war to add unlimited billions to a debt which was already the highest we have ever known. And they have just used the war to justify the restriction of congressional power, and the assumption of dictatorial procedures on the part of the president and his appointees. The power of the Roosevelt administration depends upon the maintenance of a wartime emergency. The prestige of the Roosevelt administration depends upon the success of Great Britain to whom the president attached his political future at a time when most people thought that England and France would easily win the war. The danger of the Roosevelt administration lies in its subterfuge. While its members have promised us peace, they have led us to war heedless of the platform upon which they were elected. In selecting these three groups as the major agitators for war, I have included only those whose support is essential to the war party. If any one of these groups--the British, the Jewish, or the administration--stops agitating for war, I believe there will be little danger of our involvement. I do not believe that any two of them are powerful enough to carry this country to war without the support of the third. And to these three, as I have said, all other war groups are of secondary importance. When hostilities commenced in Europe, in 1939, it was realized by these groups that the American people had no intention of entering the war. They knew it would be worse than useless to ask us for a declaration of war at that time. But they believed that this country could be entered into the war in very much the same way we were entered into the last one. They planned: first, to prepare the United States for foreign war under the guise of American defense; second, to involve us in the war, step by step, without our realization; third, to create a series of incidents which would force us into the actual conflict. These plans were of course, to be covered and assisted by the full power of their propaganda. Our theaters soon became filled with plays portraying the glory of war. Newsreels lost all semblance of objectivity. Newspapers and magazines began to lose advertising if they carried anti-war articles. A smear campaign was instituted against individuals who opposed intervention. The terms "fifth columnist," "traitor," "Nazi," "anti-Semitic" were thrown ceaselessly at any one who dared to suggest that it was not to the best interests of the United States to enter the war. Men lost their jobs if they were frankly anti-war. Many others dared no longer speak. Before long, lecture halls that were open to the advocates of war were closed to speakers who opposed it. A fear campaign was inaugurated. We were told that aviation, which has held the British fleet off the continent of Europe, made America more vulnerable than ever before to invasion. Propaganda was in full swing. There was no difficulty in obtaining billions of dollars for arms under the guise of defending America. Our people stood united on a program of defense. Congress passed appropriation after appropriation for guns and planes and battleships, with the approval of the overwhelming majority of our citizens. That a large portion of these appropriations was to be used to build arms for Europe, we did not learn until later. That was another step. To use a specific example; in 1939, we were told that we should increase our air corps to a total of 5,000 planes. Congress passed the necessary legislation. A few months later, the administration told us that the United States should have at least 50,000 planes for our national safety. But almost as fast as fighting planes were turned out from our factories, they were sent abroad, although our own air corps was in the utmost need of new equipment; so that today, two years after the start of war, the American army has a few hundred thoroughly modern bombers and fighters--less in fact, than Germany is able to produce in a single month. Ever since its inception, our arms program has been laid out for the purpose of carrying on the war in Europe, far more than for the purpose of building an adequate defense for America. Now at the same time we were being prepared for a foreign war, it was necessary, as I have said, to involve us in the war. This was accomplished under that now famous phrase "steps short of war." England and France would win if the United States would only repeal its arms embargo and sell munitions for cash, we were told. And then [illegible] began, a refrain that marked every step we took toward war for many months--"the best way to defend America and keep out of war." we were told, was "by aiding the Allies." First, we agreed to sell arms to Europe; next, we agreed to loan arms to Europe; then we agreed to patrol the ocean for Europe; then we occupied a European island in the war zone. Now, we have reached the verge of war. The war groups have succeeded in the first two of their three major steps into war. The greatest armament program in our history is under way. We have become involved in the war from practically every standpoint except actual shooting. Only the creation of sufficient "incidents" yet remains; and you see the first of these already taking place, according to plan [ill.]-- a plan that was never laid before the American people for their approval. Men and women of Iowa; only one thing holds this country from war today. That is the rising opposition of the American people. Our system of democracy and representative government is on test today as it has never been before. We are on the verge of a war in which the only victor would be chaos and prostration. We are on the verge of a war for which we are still unprepared, and for which no one has offered a feasible plan for victory--a war which cannot be won without sending our soldiers across the ocean to force a landing on a hostile coast against armies stronger than our own. We are on the verge of war, but it is not yet too late to stay out. It is not too late to show that no amount of money, or propaganda, or patronage can force a free and independent people into war against its will. It is not yet too late to retrieve and to maintain the independent American destiny that our forefathers established in this new world. The entire future rests upon our shoulders. It depends upon our action, our courage, and our intelligence. If you oppose our intervention in the war, now is the time to make your voice heard. Help us to organize these meetings; and write to your representatives in Washington. I tell you that the last stronghold of democracy and representative government in this country is in our house of representatives and our senate. There, we can still make our will known. And if we, the American people, do that, independence and freedom will continue to live among us, and there will be no foreign war. Nothing has changed today.
Correct. However that is now a consideration in hindsight. Just as now, back two generations ago, I and others had to make our decisions on what was before us and calculate our chances of survival. Whether the war was just or unjust was never a consideration, We wanted to survive, if possible. War is and has always been a social class affair. When you are at the bottom of the social ladder, you are always expendable, you are the one that will bleed and die. Even the military will show you the statistics that over 90 per cent of the "volunteers" are from the lower class, blacks being a barometer. There are varying reasons why people volunteer, the overwhelming reason being to escape poverty, joblessness, etc etc. Does anyone honestly believe they enlist to bleed and die??????? That would be absurd. I found myself with an older "kid", college prep, Ivy league, money, he had it all. I could be labeled stupid but certainly not him. Perhaps you know of Charles Bohlen, he was of that family. Why was he there???? I never knew.
During WWII, many, many American men believed they had to fight and die to preserve America's sovereignty, its borders, and their families. And now look at us.
Yeah, well, the universities in Hitler's and Stalin's time were crammed with the best brains of their generations and probably provided many of the most gung ho volunteers. It seems to me like the most intelligent are often most susceptible to the waves of propaganda that their masters disseminate, most probably because propaganda is not aimed at the stupid. It is aimed at the moderately to highly literate because such people form the class that leadership is drawn from and does the most to form opinion at large. All the 'Pubicans I know who are just fine with this war and include pious prayers for the troop in saying grace at the table are educated folks. It is almost impossible to discuss the subject with them. Small wonder that some of their children sign up. The less educated follow in hopes of getting education and benefits. So, is the kid "stupid?" He may be, but he is probably not. He is a victim of mainstreamthink that has effectivly marginalized criticism of the war while propagating the fear of mythological threats to the homeland. Thanks to the "government" and thanks to the "media." Damn them to hell.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. The same government, and the same media, that brought us into WWII.
What you have written is a myth, begun as propaganda and perpetuated by the governing elite to ensure that WW2 will always be viewed as a just and necessary war. We did not believe it then and for present generations to accept it as the truth, is a positive indication that the government,has indeed been successful in brain washing the following generations thru education. Roosevelt and his Communist friends conned the American people then and the myth continues.
My ex-neighbor...a proud "progressive" Democrat, ACLU member, PhD in a Carnegie fellowship is the most over-educated dummie I ever met. He's almost robotic.
How ironic that both the boys of WWII and today's kids had/have as a CIC a socialist.
Yes, they are one and the same for all intents and purposes, and all of this is just another chapter in their project. They have more sizable foes in their sights this time, and these adversaries are not stupid, nor are they ignorant of their methods.
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#2. To: Deasy (#0)
Tom Apsey said his son had talked about being a Marine since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, but the family thought their then-10-year-old would outgrow the idea.
#3. To: Deasy (#0)
They are part of the 21,000 additional forces President Obama is deploying in the administration's new strategy for the war effort in Afghanistan.
Lord Acton
#4. To: christine (#2)
stupid kid. wonder how long it will take him being there to get a clue.
Lord Acton
#5. To: christine (#2)
stupid kid. wonder how long it will take him being there to get a clue.
#6. To: christine (#2)
stupid kid. wonder how long it will take him being there to get a clue.
#7. To: christine (#2)
#8. To: Sam Houston (#7)
#9. To: Cynicom (#6)
#10. To: Deasy (#8)
#11. To: Sam Houston (#9)
#12. To: Deasy (#5)
Adam Kokesh
#13. To: Flintlock (#12)
#14. To: Sam Houston (#9)
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Well, we are still waiting for your draft, which has been "imminent" for several years now.
#15. To: Cynicom (#6)
#16. To: Deasy (#5)
#17. To: christine, Cynicom, Sam Houston (#15)
#18. To: Deasy (#5)
#19. To: Deasy, Os (#5)
#20. To: Deasy (#17)
#21. To: christine (#15)
Cyni, i don't see today's enlistees in any way like those who were drafted in past wars.
#22. To: Deasy (#1)
It's too bad that someone isn't leading them to DC where they could do more good.
#23. To: christine (#2)
stupid kid. wonder how long it will take him being there to get a clue.
#24. To: Deasy (#17)
We live in a society with very tightly controlled opinions.
#25. To: Cynicom (#21)
Once again, I would never, ever, attempt to judge how any youngster got there, I did not walk in their shoes
#26. To: Deasy (#5)
Lord Acton
#27. To: christine (#20)
...well, i disagree. this boy and his parents have access to the same information that you and i and the adam kokesh's have.
#28. To: Cynicom (#21)
#29. To: christine, Cynicom (#28)
#30. To: Deasy (#27)
The things that propelled you and I to look deeper just don't matter to the NASCAR patriots.
#31. To: christine (#30)
#32. To: All, *Up to the Sun* (#29)
It is now two years since this latest European war began. From that day in September, 1939, until the present moment, there has been an over-increasing effort to force the United States into the conflict.
#33. To: christine, tom007 (#28)
i'm betting that today, you'd not volunteer.
#34. To: Cynicom (#33)
Does anyone honestly believe they enlist to bleed and die?
#35. To: Sam Houston, Cynicom (#9)
The kid is stupid. He has had almost eight years to figure out the "war on 'terra'" is a scam and still flunked. This is indicative of an IQ slightly above that of plant life.
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#36. To: randge (#35)
Thanks to the "government" and thanks to the "media."
#37. To: Deasy (#34)
During WWII, many, many American men believed they had to fight and die to preserve America's sovereignty, its borders, and their families.
#38. To: randge (#35)
It is almost impossible to discuss the subject with them.
#39. To: Deasy (#34)
(Edited)
During WWII, many, many American men believed they had to fight and die to preserve America's sovereignty, its borders, and their families. And now look at us.
#40. To: Deasy (#36)
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
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