One of the worst videos I have seen was a father and little son pinned down by 'israeli' fire. They both were murdered. They were unarmed.
I can't find that video. I'll keep looking. Maybe jewtube took it down for "copyright infringement"...
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It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
#15. To: Artisan, ratcat, christine, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, CadetD, farmfriend, all (#3)
I guess I'm bad, I'm evil to say it's wrong to kill jewish children
do you get the absurdity and disengenuousness of that remark? as if he is alleging that anyone who criticizes him (or 'attacks' him, as he likes to say) thinks that it is OK "to kill jewish children"
what the hell?
For a disinformation operator, particularly one under deep cover, because they are constrained on certain topics and issues little inconsistencies creep in over time. When those inconsistencies are compiled and added up they tend to cut through the cover. The inconsistencies and activities of Alex Jones are beginning to add up into a disturbing picture.
There are two possible explanations:
1. Jones subconsciously, or through family loyalty to his Jewish wife, avoids leads running back to Zionists and Zionism.
OR
2. He does so knowingly as a disinformation operator.
I see no third possibility.
Reluctantly I have been pulled more and more to the conclusion that Alex Jones is part of a very sophisticated PsyOp. And that makes an awkward sense as the Global Elites rely upon Psychiatrists and Psychologists to fashion their large scale manipulations of the public consciousness.
The machiavellian activities of organized Psychiatry can be traced as far back as the 1920's, with the beginning of the degradation of American Education by Dewey and Thorndyke, if not before. A quote attributed to old man Carnegie, who funded them, was to the effect that he did not want a well educated working class but workers for his factories. The main thing that keeps it hidden is that most people are generally unaware and unfamiliar with such activities and the global scale at which they are run is larger than a lot of people are willing to confront or envision. As well all of the references to what these architects of social decline were actually up to are excised from history books and you actually have to go back to contemporary accounts and their own writings to find the smoking guns. Over time they have become more careful in their public utterances but all the way up into the 50's they spoke about it fairly openly believing that the Sheeple would never read their work or the accounts of their activities. Psychotics are notoriously arrogant in addition to being destructive.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
this isn't it, but it's one of my "favorites". I dont know what happened to that other video.
Video "israel" Literally Doesn't Want You to See
It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
1. Jones subconsciously, or through family loyalty to his Jewish wife, avoids leads running back to Zionists and Zionism.
Wouldn't that depend on if his wife is a zionist? I hear she is jewish, and all I know about her is that the Bohemia Grove cameraman paid an inordinate amount of attention to her ... ample bosom, but so what. There are jews against zionism. Their articles have been posted on this board.
It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
"The extremeties of acceptance" ????? Give me a break.
Oh well, at least Israeli newspapers don't have any "free speech" laws they have to pretend to give a damn about. Not that the zionist US media hasn't figured out that they can just as easily use those "free speech rights" to lie and cover up mass murders.
1. Jones subconsciously, or through family loyalty to his Jewish wife, avoids leads running back to Zionists and Zionism.
Wouldn't that depend on if his wife is a zionist? I hear she is jewish, and all I know about her is that the Bohemia Grove cameraman paid an inordinate amount of attention to her ... ample bosom, but so what. There are jews against zionism. Their articles have been posted on this board.
I expressed it as a possibility not as definite thing. However, Zionism is preached by a majority of Rabbi's in the U.S. and adherence to Zionist principles is enforced by group pressure. However, just as easily, Jones could be trying to shield his wife, and himself, from criticism by the organized Jewish Community which, as you know, is very powerful and will brook no dissent from the "Party Line". Criticism of Israel, however mild, is to court virulent attacks from the organized Jewish Community.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
1. Jones subconsciously, or through family loyalty to his Jewish wife, avoids leads running back to Zionists and Zionism.
for now, i'm going with #1 rather than #2 based on a number of factors-- not the least of which is my personal association with him and many others in the patriot community whose opinions of Alex i value.
However, just as easily, Jones could be trying to shield his wife, and himself, from criticism by the organized Jewish Community which, as you know, is very powerful and will brook no dissent from the "Party Line". Criticism of Israel, however mild, is to court virulent attacks from the organized Jewish Community.
that's happened. he's been accused of anti-semitism.
#25. To: Original_Intent, Artisan, all (#22)(Edited)
Jones could be trying to shield his wife, and himself, from criticism by the organized Jewish Community which, as you know, is very powerful and will brook no dissent from the "Party Line". Criticism of Israel, however mild, is to court virulent attacks from the organized Jewish Community.
I find that a little funny.
So, either he is a disinfo spewer, or he is a coward.
YOu need to go back to #3, he is honest and above board in everything he does, because that makes more sense.
What you are saying is that he is a coward. Maybe he is, I dont know. But the jew lobby is powerful and it's best to keep their power hidden, right? Otherwise it might get a little hot?
For fucks sake, things aren't hot yet. What is he going to do when things really heat up? What is he going to do when the ADL gets their "hate speech" law passed? If he is too much of a worthless pussy to stand up now, dont look to him to stand up later, and that goes for more people than just Jones, because there are others besides him.
And what is the nature of their attacks? They call you a nazi and anti-semite? BFD! Sticks and stones. Do you want them to love you? Do you want their acceptance? Then them calling you names should be a badge of honor, because you dont want them to like you in the first place.
You want to know what an attack is? It's when people come after you to kill you. It's not calling you names. But if he is a coward, best to know now, before things really get dangerous.
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It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
the video was created and posted by EricIndiana on youtube. listening to it again, i think Critter's right. it does sound as if it's been cut and spliced. aj's commentary doesn't flow and so we can't accurately judge the content.
For fucks sake, things aren't hot yet. What is he going to do when things really heat up? What is he going to do when the ADL gets their "hate speech" law passed? If he is too much of a worthless pussy to stand up now, dont look to him to stand up later, and that goes for more people than just Jones, because there are others besides him.
If anyone is afraid to take a stand today on any matter that their heart tells them they should, they can rest assured that tomorrow won't make it any easier.
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.
I have wanted to know who this man was since the beginning. Perhaps some journalist is out there who knows? Maybe someone with facial recognition links to our databases?
This "Harley Davidson" guy as I call him has been a mystery for quite a while.
It is quite obvious this guy is some kind of plant, but by who? FBI, CIA, CFR, or news media trying to make hype?
Perhaps he is employed by Silverstein. Can the We Are Change team help out?
...come out of nowhere and just ream right into the side of the twin tower, exploding through the other side...and then I witnessed both towers collapse, one first then the second, mostly due to structural failure because the fire was just too intense".
Nice job of taking shit out of context, editing the crap out of it and splicing it back together to make a contrived point.
Do you have j0000z under your bed too?
i did not make these videos, i just posted them. which one do you think is spliced, the second one?
and no, i dont have j0000s under my bed, but i think the freemasons might be outside my window. ;-p
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. "I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him" George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#31. To: Original_Intent, psusa, christine, twentytwelve (#15)
The inconsistencies and activities of Alex Jones are beginning to add up into a disturbing picture.
There are two possible explanations:
1. Jones subconsciously, or through family loyalty to his Jewish wife, avoids leads running back to Zionists and Zionism.
OR
2. He does so knowingly as a disinformation operator.
I see no third possibility.
Reluctantly I have been pulled more and more to the conclusion that Alex Jones is part of a very sophisticated PsyOp. And that makes an awkward sense as the Global Elites rely upon Psychiatrists and Psychologists to fashion their large scale manipulations of the public consciousness.
that was a good post. keep track of this issue if ypu find anything else. bottom line is, i think psusa is right, freedom advocates don't need a 'leader', (not that an internet radio host would help you when TheSh!tHitsTheFan anyway, ha ha).
and like i said before, the tyranny enforcers that people will deal with will NOT be wearing 'yamakas' so to a large degree, 'who pulls the strings' is not directly relevant to daily life and survival.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. "I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him" George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#32. To: Old Friend, indietx, cynicom, twentytwelve (#8)
Indie TX and Twenty Twelve, and Cynicom have all called for the nuking of Israel. So it isn't disnegenious for AJ to make those comments.
you should ping someone when making accusations about them.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. "I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him" George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#33. To: Artisan, christine, all, old zionist friend (#32)(Edited)
Indie TX and Twenty Twelve, and Cynicom have all called for the nuking of Israel. So it isn't disnegenious for AJ to make those comments.
Old Zionist friend is a paid shill most likely working for TheStateInc or the Zionist controllers since he's chosen to characterize certain members of this forum by name, which means he's taking notes, regardless of how frivolous. Old Zionist Friend, there is something called the First Amendment. HAve you heard about it?
When.. Old Zionist bozod moron.. will you report us all to the DHS? How can you be a CHRISTIAN and support the Zionist state and their perverted "interpretation" of Scripture. Ask any mainstream preacher [sic] and you'll almost always find a State worshiper. And now these "christian pastors" [sic] are agreeing to work with TheStateInc to keep their flocks in line in the event of MARTIAL LAW..
the other day he said my posts about zionism were getting 'tiresome'. i thought that was funny.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. "I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him" George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
Old Zionist friend is a paid shill most likely working for TheStateInc or the Zionist controllers since he's chosen to characterize certain members of this forum by name, which means he's taking notes, regardless of how frivolous. Old Zionist Friend, there is something called the First Amendment. HAve you heard about it?
When Old Zionist bozod moron will you report us all to the DHS? You're a goddamned traitor. I've never called to BAN someone until now.
You said I am a statist working for zionists. You need medication if you are that deluded.
You said I am taking notes. Not really, it is just easy to remember when someone is for nuking another country.
What the hell does the first amendment have to do with this?
Oh you are calling for me to be banned. Because I told the truth calling for Israel to be nuked.
that was a good post. keep track of this issue if ypu find anything else. bottom line is, i think psusa is right, freedom advocates don't need a 'leader', (not that an internet radio host would help you when TheSh!tHitsTheFan anyway, ha ha).
and like i said before, the tyranny enforcers that people will deal with will NOT be wearing 'yamakas' so to a large degree, 'who pulls the strings' is not directly relevant to daily life and survival.
I agree with what you say here about a leader.
That doesn't mean Alex Jones doesn't provide a good service to get information out. I see it this way. In the Bible Jesus said something about a kingdom divided and if satan casts out satan.........
That is how I see Alex Jones. If he is such a bad guy why is he putting out all of this good information. A lot of people would have never known about 911 if it weren't for Alex Jones.
Cheney directed it. And several recent areas of research have disclosed who some of the actual players were (in 9/11), ie: the company that wired the building. The CIA was involved. The FBI was involved. The FAA was involved. The Joint Chiefs were involved.
Psychotics are notoriously arrogant in addition to being destructive.
They find it amusing to toy with people.
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
Cheney directed it. And several recent areas of research have disclosed who some of the actual players were (in 9/11), ie: the company that wired the building. The CIA was involved. The FBI was involved. The FAA was involved. The Joint Chiefs were involved.
That's his point.
However, the ultimate, and most important, point is: Who directed it? Cheney is second tier at best. Cheney is a flunky and gofer for those who order these things. I agree that it is not strictly a Jewish thing. Just as the Mafia was not strictly Italian, remember Bugsy Siegel and Legs Diamond, but the Mob was run mainly by Italians, and a lot of the top tier of the NWO crowd are Jews. One cannot dissect the hierarchy of the global psychotic elite without encountering that fact. It is not something that should be fixated on as most of those top tier ethnic Jews are about as pure as Jimmy Swaggart (or most any other pseudochristian televangelist). My point is simply that, for whatever reason, AJ appears to have a blind spot or is simply another Rush Limbaugh in Patriot Drag.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
If anyone is afraid to take a stand today on any matter that their heart tells them they should, they can rest assured that tomorrow won't make it any easier.
And to take a stand now is easy. Anyone can do it. I dont see what we do as being particularly brave.
Here we have a man that has a radio program. Which means he can say whatever he wants to say.
Some ADL rat bastard calls him anti-semitic. Suppose they denounce him with great proclamations and fanfare.
Jones could rip them a new one. The information is out there in plain sight.
Being called names by the ADL or any other zionist .org is the ultimate opportunity to give them a royal thrashing.
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It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
Being called names by the ADL or any other zionist .org is the ultimate opportunity to give them a royal thrashing.
Turnabout is fair play ! Agreed !
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.
He just doesn't want to deal with it -- the arrogant Jew-haters and the ADL. He wants to cover as much of the very important news everyday. And that would not be possible if every call he gets is some Jew-hater or someone wanting to discuss religion (any religion). So why go there? If you've listened to John Stadtmiller, you'll know what I mean. Almost every call is a Jew-hater: same subject all the time. The audience just turns it off. What's the point of continuously rehashing it? Either we are going to enforce the rule of law or we aren't.
This country is now being ripped apart. Most of the today's most important news wasn't posted here: "Obama Signing Statement weakens whistle-blower protections," Obama is said to consider Preventive Detention Plan." We are in an economic and constitutional crisis. No one has time for this BS. Soon we are all going to be in a 'camp' for just expressing a negative view of der Fuehrer. There is so much more important issues right now. What are we doing to save ourselves and our country?
What are we doing to save ourselves and our country?
Try fighting a non-existent enemy and see how far you get. How do you fight a "illluminati" that doesn't exist anymore, or "nameless elites"? They aren't the ones that pass and sign the bills, and they aren't the ones that vet them before putting them on ballots, and they aren't the ones that finance their campaigns.
We have to know who is doing this to us. To hide their identity behind these fairy tales all the time doesn't help. It plays into the culprits hands.
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It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
He just doesn't want to deal with it -- the arrogant Jew-haters and the ADL. He wants to cover as much of the very important news everyday.
There are a lot of Jews at the center of the financial and politicl shit storms that we're experiencing with increasing frequency. There are a lot of Anglos too with their snouts in the dirt.
There is no purchase with the ethnic angle. Alex recognizes that. He gives Israel a healthy spanking where they deserve it which is quite often. There are Jews that are pigs and there are Jews that are saints and there are many in between.
Alex Jones takes on tyranny large and small and he excels when he tackles the individual injustices, like mortgage companies stealing homes and the CPS stealing children.
I have a German background. 100 % for 800 years back there somewhere. They used to call me the two-ton Teuton. But I'm an American now. I know what I relinquished when I swore that oath, and I don't regret it. I also dispise dual loyalty. I had a growing friendship with a German guy who became a US citizen, but I let an interesting relationship drop when I found out that the man kept his German passport. I also have no sympathy for Jews who serve two masters.
On the other hand, I cannot say that I have been mistreated by Jews personally. Except for a couple of occasions in my youth, I haven't had my ethnicity thrown in my face in an objectionable way. The Jewish kids I grew up with were OK and I never had a problem with them and counted many among my friends because I always treated folks the way I wanted to be treated.
On those occasions where I was ad hominem'd for my opinions, and where I found myself instinctively at odds with the tide of liberal opinion in which we were awash where I grew up, I found that I hated being pigeon-holed for my background. "Oh yeah, your Dad was a nazi, right?" In point fact, he was not. My uncle was a professor, and he was called a nazi by a student because he insisted on entering a test score in a grade book along with all the other test scores for that exam taken by all of the other students in that class.
My uncle was not a nazi either. He was a monarchist. So was his mother. I found this quite amusing. My uncle saw the Kaiser when he was a little boy and waved a tiny black, white, red flag in the air to greet him. After the war, he went out into the streets with other students to chant for the Return of the King. Except for my uncle and my grandmother, the rest of the clan on both sides were solidly social democrat. Which I am not. Actually, don't know what I am any more except to say that I am American. I feel yet more American every time I visit Europe.
So, I'll wind up my meandering rant by saying that I hate being called to account by idiots for things Germans have done. And I hate the excoriation of Jews at large for things Zionists and Israelis have done. They have done execreble things in my view. The servants of Lucifer or Satan or whatever the hell you call him come in many guises. I am constitutionally incapable of joining the chorus that hammers all Jews all the time 'cause I'm well aware of the unneccesary brooding hatred that kind of rhetoric breeds in the land on all sides. And I know also that there are Jews that are opposed to the Novus Ordo Seclorum. (Not on Our Side)
Take the hard path. Take the right path. Keep your passions in check like a good Stoic. Those passions are a handle for your adversaries. They will use it to get hold of you and drop you into their maw like a ripe snack.
#47. To: ratcat, Itistoolate, christine, TwentyTwelve, CadetD, TwentyTwelve, PSUSA, Wudidiz, Rotara, James Deffenbach, farmfriend, Jethro Tull, IndieTX, randge, horse, FormerLurker, bluegrass, HOUNDDAWG, HAPPY2BME-4UM. Kamala, Deacon Benjamin, Swarthy Guy, all (#44)(Edited)
Soon we are all going to be in a 'camp' for just expressing a negative view of der Fuehrer. There is so much more important issues right now. What are we doing to save ourselves and our country?
Thank you. That is exactly my point. Hyper-sensationalism expressed in vague generalities is NOT a solution. Yes we must be informed, and yes we must take action - yesterday. Therein lies one of my primary criticisms of Alex Jones i.e., that as bad as things are he makes them appear worse and offers no concrete solution other than more talk. Our future now depends upon supporting, and taking part in those GROUPS which are doing something EFFECTIVE. We Are Change is certainly one but not the only. Defeatism does no good and that ultimately is what Alex Jones is selling - defeatism.
As PSUSA pointed out the figures running this show have names and identities. Where the light needs to be shown is upon the INDIVIDUALS directing the show. To some degree which groups these individuals belong to is irrelevant, i.e., whether Jew or Gentile, but to some degree it does inform our understanding of the interrelationships of these individuals.
We can know that Abe Foxman and the ADL are not combatting anti-semitism but are using that as a front for other motives and actions. We can know that Goldman Sachs is owned by individuals, you can trace it back to the same banking concerns and INDIVIDUALS who own them, and that their flunkies populate and infest our government. However, they are FLUNKIES. Barry Barack Hussein Soetoro Obama decides nothing. He is a cipher, a figurehead who exists to direct attention away from the people who are actually directing this hostile takeover. We can observe and quantify that the amount of money feloniously funnelled into the corrupt Bankster Syndicate is now far greater than the sum total of ALL mortgages in America outstanding. We can point that out, and it is valid to do so, but we must name names in doing it. Generalities simply add to the confusion. Each of these is a useful datum in opposing the incipient Totalitarian State that they are trying to shove down our throats and seek to enchain us with, but we must always include the WHO as that assigns responsibility and identifies the criminals.
He just doesn't want to deal with it -- the arrogant Jew-haters and the ADL.
And that is one of the problems (while both sides are filled with hate their symbiosis is real as each depends upon the other to justify their petty hatreds, and as well many of the prominent "anti-semites" are phonies who exist to be poster boys for the PsyOp), because it must be dealt with to provide full exposure of the malefactors. Whether through intent or a blind spot naming names is part of the equation. To just name "what" and "why" without naming "WHO" (in other than generalities) simply alarms people and presents no avenue of action.
This country is now being ripped apart. Most of the today's most important news wasn't posted here: "Obama Signing Statement weakens whistle-blower protections," Obama is said to consider Preventive Detention Plan." We are in an economic and constitutional crisis.
They (the Rotchilds and Rockefuckers and their agents) are now coming from so many angles that it is impossible to keep tabs on every attack, and it is not always necessary to do so to know WHO is directing it. Action directly against the top tier of the Oligarchy exposing their existence and actions does not require a micro-fine understanding of every nuance and attack. One must know enough to act and to know WHO to act against, but the rest is just noise. We know what they are doing and at this point their actions are predictable and follow a simple agenda to cement their power:
1. Eliminate Free Speech and criminalize "hate speech" (which is anything that exposes their actions). A subset of this is to close down the internet as it provides an avenue around the controlled major media.
2. Disarm the American People as that represents an implied ability to act forcibly against the architects, and front men and women, for the tyranny.
3. Eviscerate the rest of the "Bill of Rights" through such actions as the un-patriot Act.
4. Keep the sheeple confused and alarmed with a barrage of contradictory, alarming, and filtered information - while power is being consolidated.
5. Establish total monetary, hence all trade and commerce, control so as to make private non-supervised transactions impossible, and to provide them with their psychotic need for ever greater wealth and control.
Alex Jones for all the information he puts out is adding to the contradictions, alarm, confusion, and indecision thus insuring that many WILL NOT look. They, out of fear and alarm, will tighten down their blinders and try to wish it all away. I think Jeff Rense has a better methodology by calmly, almost dispassionately without sugar coating it, putting out the information without making it seem more alarming than need be. He also is very good about naming the WHO. That is why I found the mutual animosity between him and Jones instructive.
(Edited to correct a typo.)
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#48. To: Artisan, lodwick, litus, freepatriot32, tom007, deasy, Brian S, RickyJ, X-15, phantom patriot (#47)
Youse guys too. Like (((((Ping))))) man. ;-)
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. ~ H. L. Mencken
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
To some degree which groups these individuals belong to is irrelevant, i.e., whether Jew or Gentile, but to some degree it does inform our understanding of the interrelationships of these individuals.
I agree. To some degree it doesn't matter. Well said.
What makes me suspicious is when people try and cover for these groups. Because the corollary to that is that sometimes the groups do matter.
If I told you I was a nazi, it would be safe to assume I believe as the nazis believe and act as they act. Same goes for zionists. Were there "good nazis"? Probably not. But there were good Germans and some of those Germans wore uniforms.
It's odd how this works. In order to be a good Jew you must be a zionist, other wise they call you a "self-hating Jew". To be a "bad Jew" you must be against zionism and all it stands for. So the "bad Jews" are the good guys and the "good jews" are the enemy.
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It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.