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Title: Alex Jones on the zionism issue
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hORYNTEYvkI&feature=related
Published: May 19, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-05-19 07:19:23 by Artisan
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Jones goes on to rant about 'luciferian controllers, an evil crew of individuals', communist chinese, uae, king of spain,... "Israel could not have carried out this attack". the he goes on to Albert Pike & the Klan

then goes on to say "I guess I'm bad, I'm evil to say it's wrong to kill jewish children? Why are they always wanting to kill Jews?.. every time we look they're killing Jews"...

Alex Jones Show Nov 24th 2008: Its The Zionists! Is it not enough that israel had fingerprints all over 911?
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#1. To: Artisan (#0)

Jones goes on to rant about 'luciferian controllers, an evil crew of individuals', communist chinese, uae, king of spain,... "Israel could not have carried out this attack". the he goes on to Albert Pike & the Klan

then goes on to say "I guess I'm bad, I'm evil to say it's wrong to kill jewish children? Why are they always wanting to kill Jews?.. every time we look they're killing Jews"...

Video #1, classic! Your synopsis nailed it. Caller called in about AIPAC and Jones goes off on a tangent totally avoiding the topic. He even blames us for the death of those nuked little kids.

#2, the almost complete opposite to #1.

Which one came first? Do you know?

Why is he so inconsistent?

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-05-19   7:44:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: PSUSA (#1)

I guess I'm bad, I'm evil to say it's wrong to kill jewish children

do you get the absurdity and disengenuousness of that remark? as if he is alleging that anyone who criticizes him (or 'attacks' him, as he likes to say) thinks that it is OK "to kill jewish children"

what the hell?

Artisan  posted on  2009-05-19   7:49:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Artisan, ratcat, christine, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, CadetD, farmfriend, all (#3)

I guess I'm bad, I'm evil to say it's wrong to kill jewish children

do you get the absurdity and disengenuousness of that remark? as if he is alleging that anyone who criticizes him (or 'attacks' him, as he likes to say) thinks that it is OK "to kill jewish children"

what the hell?

For a disinformation operator, particularly one under deep cover, because they are constrained on certain topics and issues little inconsistencies creep in over time. When those inconsistencies are compiled and added up they tend to cut through the cover. The inconsistencies and activities of Alex Jones are beginning to add up into a disturbing picture.

There are two possible explanations:

1. Jones subconsciously, or through family loyalty to his Jewish wife, avoids leads running back to Zionists and Zionism.

OR

2. He does so knowingly as a disinformation operator.

I see no third possibility.

Reluctantly I have been pulled more and more to the conclusion that Alex Jones is part of a very sophisticated PsyOp. And that makes an awkward sense as the Global Elites rely upon Psychiatrists and Psychologists to fashion their large scale manipulations of the public consciousness.

The machiavellian activities of organized Psychiatry can be traced as far back as the 1920's, with the beginning of the degradation of American Education by Dewey and Thorndyke, if not before. A quote attributed to old man Carnegie, who funded them, was to the effect that he did not want a well educated working class but workers for his factories. The main thing that keeps it hidden is that most people are generally unaware and unfamiliar with such activities and the global scale at which they are run is larger than a lot of people are willing to confront or envision. As well all of the references to what these architects of social decline were actually up to are excised from history books and you actually have to go back to contemporary accounts and their own writings to find the smoking guns. Over time they have become more careful in their public utterances but all the way up into the 50's they spoke about it fairly openly believing that the Sheeple would never read their work or the accounts of their activities. Psychotics are notoriously arrogant in addition to being destructive.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-05-19   13:43:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Original_Intent (#15)

Cheney directed it. And several recent areas of research have disclosed who some of the actual players were (in 9/11), ie: the company that wired the building. The CIA was involved. The FBI was involved. The FAA was involved. The Joint Chiefs were involved.

That's his point.

ratcat  posted on  2009-05-20   1:27:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: ratcat (#38)

Cheney directed it. And several recent areas of research have disclosed who some of the actual players were (in 9/11), ie: the company that wired the building. The CIA was involved. The FBI was involved. The FAA was involved. The Joint Chiefs were involved.

That's his point.

However, the ultimate, and most important, point is: Who directed it? Cheney is second tier at best. Cheney is a flunky and gofer for those who order these things. I agree that it is not strictly a Jewish thing. Just as the Mafia was not strictly Italian, remember Bugsy Siegel and Legs Diamond, but the Mob was run mainly by Italians, and a lot of the top tier of the NWO crowd are Jews. One cannot dissect the hierarchy of the global psychotic elite without encountering that fact. It is not something that should be fixated on as most of those top tier ethnic Jews are about as pure as Jimmy Swaggart (or most any other pseudochristian televangelist). My point is simply that, for whatever reason, AJ appears to have a blind spot or is simply another Rush Limbaugh in Patriot Drag.

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-05-20   2:55:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Original_Intent, Itistoolate (#40)

AJ appears to have a blind spot

He just doesn't want to deal with it -- the arrogant Jew-haters and the ADL. He wants to cover as much of the very important news everyday. And that would not be possible if every call he gets is some Jew-hater or someone wanting to discuss religion (any religion). So why go there? If you've listened to John Stadtmiller, you'll know what I mean. Almost every call is a Jew-hater: same subject all the time. The audience just turns it off. What's the point of continuously rehashing it? Either we are going to enforce the rule of law or we aren't.

This country is now being ripped apart. Most of the today's most important news wasn't posted here: "Obama Signing Statement weakens whistle-blower protections," Obama is said to consider Preventive Detention Plan." We are in an economic and constitutional crisis. No one has time for this BS. Soon we are all going to be in a 'camp' for just expressing a negative view of der Fuehrer. There is so much more important issues right now. What are we doing to save ourselves and our country?

ratcat  posted on  2009-05-21   1:55:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: ratcat (#44)

He just doesn't want to deal with it -- the arrogant Jew-haters and the ADL. He wants to cover as much of the very important news everyday.

There are a lot of Jews at the center of the financial and politicl shit storms that we're experiencing with increasing frequency. There are a lot of Anglos too with their snouts in the dirt.

There is no purchase with the ethnic angle. Alex recognizes that. He gives Israel a healthy spanking where they deserve it which is quite often. There are Jews that are pigs and there are Jews that are saints and there are many in between.

Alex Jones takes on tyranny large and small and he excels when he tackles the individual injustices, like mortgage companies stealing homes and the CPS stealing children.

I have a German background. 100 % for 800 years back there somewhere. They used to call me the two-ton Teuton. But I'm an American now. I know what I relinquished when I swore that oath, and I don't regret it. I also dispise dual loyalty. I had a growing friendship with a German guy who became a US citizen, but I let an interesting relationship drop when I found out that the man kept his German passport. I also have no sympathy for Jews who serve two masters.

On the other hand, I cannot say that I have been mistreated by Jews personally. Except for a couple of occasions in my youth, I haven't had my ethnicity thrown in my face in an objectionable way. The Jewish kids I grew up with were OK and I never had a problem with them and counted many among my friends because I always treated folks the way I wanted to be treated.

On those occasions where I was ad hominem'd for my opinions, and where I found myself instinctively at odds with the tide of liberal opinion in which we were awash where I grew up, I found that I hated being pigeon-holed for my background. "Oh yeah, your Dad was a nazi, right?" In point fact, he was not. My uncle was a professor, and he was called a nazi by a student because he insisted on entering a test score in a grade book along with all the other test scores for that exam taken by all of the other students in that class.

My uncle was not a nazi either. He was a monarchist. So was his mother. I found this quite amusing. My uncle saw the Kaiser when he was a little boy and waved a tiny black, white, red flag in the air to greet him. After the war, he went out into the streets with other students to chant for the Return of the King. Except for my uncle and my grandmother, the rest of the clan on both sides were solidly social democrat. Which I am not. Actually, don't know what I am any more except to say that I am American. I feel yet more American every time I visit Europe.

So, I'll wind up my meandering rant by saying that I hate being called to account by idiots for things Germans have done. And I hate the excoriation of Jews at large for things Zionists and Israelis have done. They have done execreble things in my view. The servants of Lucifer or Satan or whatever the hell you call him come in many guises. I am constitutionally incapable of joining the chorus that hammers all Jews all the time 'cause I'm well aware of the unneccesary brooding hatred that kind of rhetoric breeds in the land on all sides. And I know also that there are Jews that are opposed to the Novus Ordo Seclorum. (Not on Our Side)

Take the hard path. Take the right path. Keep your passions in check like a good Stoic. Those passions are a handle for your adversaries. They will use it to get hold of you and drop you into their maw like a ripe snack.

Cheers.

randge  posted on  2009-05-21   9:55:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: randge, Original_Intent, christine, PSUSA, *Up to the Sun* (#46)

There are Jews that are pigs and there are Jews that are saints and there are many in between.

From my vantage point, this is true. There's something more to say, though. With a century or more of our media, religion, education, and politics dominated by intelligent and creative Jews, who are we? Do we know? Can we know? I give a resounding "yes!"

Finding out who we are involves digging into our past. Carl Jung found what he believed was evidence for racial ties to ancient symbolism in the northern European peoples. The dreamers described archetypes based on the original Norse mythology, even when they didn't have any educational exposure to the stories. Jung believed that archetypes were inherited. In other words, Jung began to believe that we are different, that different races have different symbols. He and Freud began to go their own separate ways partly over this, as I understand it.

What our contemporary western world is today is a superimposition of Judaic values and ideals, religious beliefs, and cultural constructs over core European attitudes. This is not necessarily wrong. But for those of us who are interested in exploring our past and searching for reasons why we might be dissatisfied with the present world in which we inhabit, it is important to consider the possibility that our racial and ethnic tendencies are being suppressed.

We can place value judgments on this or that racial or ethnic element, but what matters most is what makes us feel most comfortable, most at home. I do not feel superior to people with different racial traits. I do not feel "better" than Jews or blacks or Asians. I am just different. There must be scientific evidence to describe why, in many ways, I know that I am different. I will resist being forced to adhere to other cultural and racial models and motivations.

This makes me pro-European, not so much anti-other. I want to be myself, to live free, breathing the air of 10,000 years of European traditions, and whatever else I choose. This is a new world, my world. I make the decision. And choose I will. And I choose to go my way, leaving Jewish things behind where I recognize them. Let them go their way without me.

If this sounds like a cultural manifesto, it should.

Deasy  posted on  2009-05-21   21:28:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Deasy (#57)

I promised you a reply per PM, and I find that today I only have time for a short one, so I'll reply to this paragraph in a limited way as each of your points could furnish the subject of a small library of thought and enquiry.

What our contemporary western world is today is a superimposition of Judaic values and ideals, religious beliefs, and cultural constructs over core European attitudes.

It would be quite a study to disentangle Judaic values and ideals from Greco- Roman and shall we say Celto-Teutonic values and ideals. You might begin with what they all have in common: evolved ideas about the sanctity of property, individual rights, the importance of monogamy and family life, and a reliance on the institution of religion in place of the practice of magic; that is to say a reliance on overarching divinity which must be honored and propitiated rather than the manipulation of natural forces in the form of spirits which can be conjured and controlled.

As to how the northern Europeans differ from the former, I would say that the spirit of independence both politically and individually has always predominated among them, as well as a reverence for women, a legacy of an ancient matriarchy, among the Teutons at least. Along with their Greek and Roman cousins the Nords honored a number of gods, of course, and when constrained to worship the One, they gave him the name Guth or Good or God. The Gauls and the Germans also honored war for its own sake as we see in the writings that they left behind, as well as in the works of Roman commentators.

These are just observations off the top of my head, and I have no claim of erudition in this subject matter. The question spans a significant chunk of history and it is hard for me to say just what core European attitudes are as the cultures in question have become irretrievable entangled with one another over the past two millenia. I’m sure that you have thought about this question more than I have. So et me ask you:

“What are the values, ideals, religious beliefs, and cultural constructs that we can say are peculiarly European?”

randge  posted on  2009-05-22   15:51:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: randge (#64) (Edited)

You might begin with what they all have in common:

Point by point:

  1. sanctity of property.
  2. individual rights.
  3. monogamy.
  4. family life.
  5. institutionalized religion in place of mysticism.
First property: As I understand it, property ownership in both Greece and Rome was rare for men who had not achieved status through military accomplishments or other contributions to the empire. Both societies went through tribal and feudal stages before they achieved nationhood and then empire.

Second, individual rights: I would dispute the notion that most individuals had special rights in the Greco-Roman civilizations. Citizens were non-slave men even in "democratic" Greece, for example.

Third, monogomy: Greeks and Romans were sometimes polygamous. So were Jews, as Solomon and others serve as examples.

Fourth, value for family life: inconsistent across all civilizations.

Fifth, Avoidance of mysticism: again, inconsistent.

What are the values, ideals, religious beliefs, and cultural constructs that we can say are peculiarly European?
I would describe the difference as being primarily centered on the issue of polytheism versus monotheism. Monotheism posits that there is only one God, and that he or she is supreme over other deities and demigods. This permits the believer to arrive in a foreign land and smash the idols of the conquered, hence the term "iconoclast." Animism and other nativist beliefs are smashed by monotheism, as well. Judaism as the antecedent to Christianity and Islam is our prime example of monotheism's tendency toward iconoclasm. Christianity and Islam have exhibited modern histories of destroying entire civilizations, possibly even more successfully than Judaism has.

A fundamental tenet of the Renaissance and the Christian reformation was the belief that the individual must and should interpret the Bible for himself rather than base his beliefs on the dictates of corruptible institutions. However, the polytheist is always free to build his faith in a subjective, interpretive manner. The Enlightenment took subjectivity a step further toward personal pursuit of truth. This was a second major step forward and away from the intellectual constraints of monotheism. We continue to see conflict between science and religion in regard to the age of the universe and the nature of genetic mutations. The Catholic church imprisoned Galileo for positing that the earth revolved around the sun and not the other way around.

On the question of superstition, one only need look at the beliefs Christian Evangelical Americans share in Israel's religious significance to see that Christianity has not banished the pitfalls of mysticism.

Note that the Greeks, Romans, and Celto-Germans were polytheists who also welcomed the pursuit of science and philosophy. They believed that race was significant, although both the Romans and the Greeks came to embrace empire as a means for "Hellenizing" or "Romanizing" their conquests.

The historian Hilda Ellis Davidson has compared Celtic and Germanic religions and finds them very similar. They both have influences that tie them back to Greek and Roman cultures. The Hindu religion, with its castes and avatars of God also has links to Germanic religion. These are in stark contrast to Judaic faiths, all of which have ties back to the dualism found early on in Zoroastrianism, which itself may have ties back to Indo-European culture.

One interesting way to look at all of this is that medieval Catholic monks, pursuing a Judaic faith, interpreted history and religion for us — including classical interpretations of Celto-Germanic, Zoroastrian, and Greco-Roman civilizations.

We should be on a quest to learn more, to dig down beneath the layers of interpretive history imposed on us by the medieval Christians.

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