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Title: Alex Jones on the zionism issue
Source: .
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hORYNTEYvkI&feature=related
Published: May 19, 2009
Author: .
Post Date: 2009-05-19 07:19:23 by Artisan
Ping List: *Alex Jones*
Keywords: None
Views: 1502
Comments: 66

Jones goes on to rant about 'luciferian controllers, an evil crew of individuals', communist chinese, uae, king of spain,... "Israel could not have carried out this attack". the he goes on to Albert Pike & the Klan

then goes on to say "I guess I'm bad, I'm evil to say it's wrong to kill jewish children? Why are they always wanting to kill Jews?.. every time we look they're killing Jews"...

Alex Jones Show Nov 24th 2008: Its The Zionists! Is it not enough that israel had fingerprints all over 911?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jSZjwXQrIg&feature=related


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#27. To: Critter, Artisan (#26)

the video was created and posted by EricIndiana on youtube. listening to it again, i think Critter's right. it does sound as if it's been cut and spliced. aj's commentary doesn't flow and so we can't accurately judge the content.

The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama

christine  posted on  2009-05-19   19:14:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: PSUSA (#25)

For fucks sake, things aren't hot yet. What is he going to do when things really heat up? What is he going to do when the ADL gets their "hate speech" law passed? If he is too much of a worthless pussy to stand up now, dont look to him to stand up later, and that goes for more people than just Jones, because there are others besides him.

If anyone is afraid to take a stand today on any matter that their heart tells them they should, they can rest assured that tomorrow won't make it any easier.

Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.

De La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2009-05-19   19:43:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Critter (#26) (Edited)

From youtube

I have wanted to know who this man was since the beginning. Perhaps some journalist is out there who knows? Maybe someone with facial recognition links to our databases?

This "Harley Davidson" guy as I call him has been a mystery for quite a while.

It is quite obvious this guy is some kind of plant, but by who? FBI, CIA, CFR, or news media trying to make hype?

Perhaps he is employed by Silverstein. Can the We Are Change team help out?

...come out of nowhere and just ream right into the side of the twin tower, exploding through the other side...and then I witnessed both towers collapse, one first then the second, mostly due to structural failure because the fire was just too intense".

www.911blogger.com/node/9045

www.911blogger.com/node/6467

www.slate.com/?id=2074678

www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/saudi.html

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-05-19   19:55:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Critter (#26)

Nice job of taking shit out of context, editing the crap out of it and splicing it back together to make a contrived point.

Do you have j0000z under your bed too?

i did not make these videos, i just posted them. which one do you think is spliced, the second one?

and no, i dont have j0000s under my bed, but i think the freemasons might be outside my window. ;-p

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-05-19   20:37:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Original_Intent, psusa, christine, twentytwelve (#15)

The inconsistencies and activities of Alex Jones are beginning to add up into a disturbing picture.

There are two possible explanations:

1. Jones subconsciously, or through family loyalty to his Jewish wife, avoids leads running back to Zionists and Zionism.

OR

2. He does so knowingly as a disinformation operator.

I see no third possibility.

Reluctantly I have been pulled more and more to the conclusion that Alex Jones is part of a very sophisticated PsyOp. And that makes an awkward sense as the Global Elites rely upon Psychiatrists and Psychologists to fashion their large scale manipulations of the public consciousness.

that was a good post. keep track of this issue if ypu find anything else. bottom line is, i think psusa is right, freedom advocates don't need a 'leader', (not that an internet radio host would help you when TheSh!tHitsTheFan anyway, ha ha).

and like i said before, the tyranny enforcers that people will deal with will NOT be wearing 'yamakas' so to a large degree, 'who pulls the strings' is not directly relevant to daily life and survival.

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-05-19   20:48:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Old Friend, indietx, cynicom, twentytwelve (#8)

Indie TX and Twenty Twelve, and Cynicom have all called for the nuking of Israel. So it isn't disnegenious for AJ to make those comments.

you should ping someone when making accusations about them.

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-05-19   20:49:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Artisan, christine, all, old zionist friend (#32) (Edited)

Indie TX and Twenty Twelve, and Cynicom have all called for the nuking of Israel. So it isn't disnegenious for AJ to make those comments.

Old Zionist friend is a paid shill most likely working for TheStateInc or the Zionist controllers since he's chosen to characterize certain members of this forum by name, which means he's taking notes, regardless of how frivolous. Old Zionist Friend, there is something called the First Amendment. HAve you heard about it?

When.. Old Zionist bozod moron.. will you report us all to the DHS? How can you be a CHRISTIAN and support the Zionist state and their perverted "interpretation" of Scripture. Ask any mainstream preacher [sic] and you'll almost always find a State worshiper. And now these "christian pastors" [sic] are agreeing to work with TheStateInc to keep their flocks in line in the event of MARTIAL LAW..

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

IndieTX  posted on  2009-05-19   21:30:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: IndieTX (#33)

the other day he said my posts about zionism were getting 'tiresome'. i thought that was funny.

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-05-19   21:44:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: IndieTX (#33)

Old Zionist friend is a paid shill most likely working for TheStateInc or the Zionist controllers since he's chosen to characterize certain members of this forum by name, which means he's taking notes, regardless of how frivolous. Old Zionist Friend, there is something called the First Amendment. HAve you heard about it?

When Old Zionist bozod moron will you report us all to the DHS? You're a goddamned traitor. I've never called to BAN someone until now.

You said I am a statist working for zionists. You need medication if you are that deluded.

You said I am taking notes. Not really, it is just easy to remember when someone is for nuking another country.

What the hell does the first amendment have to do with this?

Oh you are calling for me to be banned. Because I told the truth calling for Israel to be nuked.

Now exactly how am I a traitor?

Old Friend  posted on  2009-05-19   22:16:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Artisan (#34)

the other day he said my posts about zionism were getting 'tiresome'. i thought that was funny.

I thought it was funny too. That's why I said it. I considered making it a tagline.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-05-19   22:17:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Artisan (#31)

that was a good post. keep track of this issue if ypu find anything else. bottom line is, i think psusa is right, freedom advocates don't need a 'leader', (not that an internet radio host would help you when TheSh!tHitsTheFan anyway, ha ha).

and like i said before, the tyranny enforcers that people will deal with will NOT be wearing 'yamakas' so to a large degree, 'who pulls the strings' is not directly relevant to daily life and survival.

I agree with what you say here about a leader.

That doesn't mean Alex Jones doesn't provide a good service to get information out. I see it this way. In the Bible Jesus said something about a kingdom divided and if satan casts out satan.........

That is how I see Alex Jones. If he is such a bad guy why is he putting out all of this good information. A lot of people would have never known about 911 if it weren't for Alex Jones.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-05-19   22:21:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Original_Intent (#15)

Cheney directed it. And several recent areas of research have disclosed who some of the actual players were (in 9/11), ie: the company that wired the building. The CIA was involved. The FBI was involved. The FAA was involved. The Joint Chiefs were involved.

That's his point.

ratcat  posted on  2009-05-20   1:27:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Original_Intent (#15)

Psychotics are notoriously arrogant in addition to being destructive.

They find it amusing to toy with people.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2009-05-20   2:34:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: ratcat (#38)

Cheney directed it. And several recent areas of research have disclosed who some of the actual players were (in 9/11), ie: the company that wired the building. The CIA was involved. The FBI was involved. The FAA was involved. The Joint Chiefs were involved.

That's his point.

However, the ultimate, and most important, point is: Who directed it? Cheney is second tier at best. Cheney is a flunky and gofer for those who order these things. I agree that it is not strictly a Jewish thing. Just as the Mafia was not strictly Italian, remember Bugsy Siegel and Legs Diamond, but the Mob was run mainly by Italians, and a lot of the top tier of the NWO crowd are Jews. One cannot dissect the hierarchy of the global psychotic elite without encountering that fact. It is not something that should be fixated on as most of those top tier ethnic Jews are about as pure as Jimmy Swaggart (or most any other pseudochristian televangelist). My point is simply that, for whatever reason, AJ appears to have a blind spot or is simply another Rush Limbaugh in Patriot Drag.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-05-20   2:55:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Original_Intent, Artisan, FormerLurker, ratcat (#40)

Itistoolate  posted on  2009-05-20   3:26:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: noone222 (#28)

If anyone is afraid to take a stand today on any matter that their heart tells them they should, they can rest assured that tomorrow won't make it any easier.

And to take a stand now is easy. Anyone can do it. I dont see what we do as being particularly brave.

Here we have a man that has a radio program. Which means he can say whatever he wants to say.

Some ADL rat bastard calls him anti-semitic. Suppose they denounce him with great proclamations and fanfare.

Jones could rip them a new one. The information is out there in plain sight.

Being called names by the ADL or any other zionist .org is the ultimate opportunity to give them a royal thrashing.

.


It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.

It's a forum post, not a doctoral thesis.

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-05-20   7:03:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: PSUSA (#42)

Being called names by the ADL or any other zionist .org is the ultimate opportunity to give them a royal thrashing.

Turnabout is fair play ! Agreed !

Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.

De La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2009-05-20   7:26:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Original_Intent, Itistoolate (#40)

AJ appears to have a blind spot

He just doesn't want to deal with it -- the arrogant Jew-haters and the ADL. He wants to cover as much of the very important news everyday. And that would not be possible if every call he gets is some Jew-hater or someone wanting to discuss religion (any religion). So why go there? If you've listened to John Stadtmiller, you'll know what I mean. Almost every call is a Jew-hater: same subject all the time. The audience just turns it off. What's the point of continuously rehashing it? Either we are going to enforce the rule of law or we aren't.

This country is now being ripped apart. Most of the today's most important news wasn't posted here: "Obama Signing Statement weakens whistle-blower protections," Obama is said to consider Preventive Detention Plan." We are in an economic and constitutional crisis. No one has time for this BS. Soon we are all going to be in a 'camp' for just expressing a negative view of der Fuehrer. There is so much more important issues right now. What are we doing to save ourselves and our country?

ratcat  posted on  2009-05-21   1:55:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: ratcat (#44) (Edited)

What are we doing to save ourselves and our country?

Try fighting a non-existent enemy and see how far you get. How do you fight a "illluminati" that doesn't exist anymore, or "nameless elites"? They aren't the ones that pass and sign the bills, and they aren't the ones that vet them before putting them on ballots, and they aren't the ones that finance their campaigns.

We have to know who is doing this to us. To hide their identity behind these fairy tales all the time doesn't help. It plays into the culprits hands.

,


It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.

It's a forum post, not a doctoral thesis.

Click for Privacy and Preparedness files

PSUSA  posted on  2009-05-21   8:35:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: ratcat (#44)

He just doesn't want to deal with it -- the arrogant Jew-haters and the ADL. He wants to cover as much of the very important news everyday.

There are a lot of Jews at the center of the financial and politicl shit storms that we're experiencing with increasing frequency. There are a lot of Anglos too with their snouts in the dirt.

There is no purchase with the ethnic angle. Alex recognizes that. He gives Israel a healthy spanking where they deserve it which is quite often. There are Jews that are pigs and there are Jews that are saints and there are many in between.

Alex Jones takes on tyranny large and small and he excels when he tackles the individual injustices, like mortgage companies stealing homes and the CPS stealing children.

I have a German background. 100 % for 800 years back there somewhere. They used to call me the two-ton Teuton. But I'm an American now. I know what I relinquished when I swore that oath, and I don't regret it. I also dispise dual loyalty. I had a growing friendship with a German guy who became a US citizen, but I let an interesting relationship drop when I found out that the man kept his German passport. I also have no sympathy for Jews who serve two masters.

On the other hand, I cannot say that I have been mistreated by Jews personally. Except for a couple of occasions in my youth, I haven't had my ethnicity thrown in my face in an objectionable way. The Jewish kids I grew up with were OK and I never had a problem with them and counted many among my friends because I always treated folks the way I wanted to be treated.

On those occasions where I was ad hominem'd for my opinions, and where I found myself instinctively at odds with the tide of liberal opinion in which we were awash where I grew up, I found that I hated being pigeon-holed for my background. "Oh yeah, your Dad was a nazi, right?" In point fact, he was not. My uncle was a professor, and he was called a nazi by a student because he insisted on entering a test score in a grade book along with all the other test scores for that exam taken by all of the other students in that class.

My uncle was not a nazi either. He was a monarchist. So was his mother. I found this quite amusing. My uncle saw the Kaiser when he was a little boy and waved a tiny black, white, red flag in the air to greet him. After the war, he went out into the streets with other students to chant for the Return of the King. Except for my uncle and my grandmother, the rest of the clan on both sides were solidly social democrat. Which I am not. Actually, don't know what I am any more except to say that I am American. I feel yet more American every time I visit Europe.

So, I'll wind up my meandering rant by saying that I hate being called to account by idiots for things Germans have done. And I hate the excoriation of Jews at large for things Zionists and Israelis have done. They have done execreble things in my view. The servants of Lucifer or Satan or whatever the hell you call him come in many guises. I am constitutionally incapable of joining the chorus that hammers all Jews all the time 'cause I'm well aware of the unneccesary brooding hatred that kind of rhetoric breeds in the land on all sides. And I know also that there are Jews that are opposed to the Novus Ordo Seclorum. (Not on Our Side)

Take the hard path. Take the right path. Keep your passions in check like a good Stoic. Those passions are a handle for your adversaries. They will use it to get hold of you and drop you into their maw like a ripe snack.

Cheers.

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randge  posted on  2009-05-21   9:55:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: ratcat, Itistoolate, christine, TwentyTwelve, CadetD, TwentyTwelve, PSUSA, Wudidiz, Rotara, James Deffenbach, farmfriend, Jethro Tull, IndieTX, randge, horse, FormerLurker, bluegrass, HOUNDDAWG, HAPPY2BME-4UM. Kamala, Deacon Benjamin, Swarthy Guy, all (#44) (Edited)

Soon we are all going to be in a 'camp' for just expressing a negative view of der Fuehrer. There is so much more important issues right now. What are we doing to save ourselves and our country?

Thank you. That is exactly my point. Hyper-sensationalism expressed in vague generalities is NOT a solution. Yes we must be informed, and yes we must take action - yesterday. Therein lies one of my primary criticisms of Alex Jones i.e., that as bad as things are he makes them appear worse and offers no concrete solution other than more talk. Our future now depends upon supporting, and taking part in those GROUPS which are doing something EFFECTIVE. We Are Change is certainly one but not the only. Defeatism does no good and that ultimately is what Alex Jones is selling - defeatism.

As PSUSA pointed out the figures running this show have names and identities. Where the light needs to be shown is upon the INDIVIDUALS directing the show. To some degree which groups these individuals belong to is irrelevant, i.e., whether Jew or Gentile, but to some degree it does inform our understanding of the interrelationships of these individuals.

We can know that Abe Foxman and the ADL are not combatting anti-semitism but are using that as a front for other motives and actions. We can know that Goldman Sachs is owned by individuals, you can trace it back to the same banking concerns and INDIVIDUALS who own them, and that their flunkies populate and infest our government. However, they are FLUNKIES. Barry Barack Hussein Soetoro Obama decides nothing. He is a cipher, a figurehead who exists to direct attention away from the people who are actually directing this hostile takeover. We can observe and quantify that the amount of money feloniously funnelled into the corrupt Bankster Syndicate is now far greater than the sum total of ALL mortgages in America outstanding. We can point that out, and it is valid to do so, but we must name names in doing it. Generalities simply add to the confusion. Each of these is a useful datum in opposing the incipient Totalitarian State that they are trying to shove down our throats and seek to enchain us with, but we must always include the WHO as that assigns responsibility and identifies the criminals.

He just doesn't want to deal with it -- the arrogant Jew-haters and the ADL.

And that is one of the problems (while both sides are filled with hate their symbiosis is real as each depends upon the other to justify their petty hatreds, and as well many of the prominent "anti-semites" are phonies who exist to be poster boys for the PsyOp), because it must be dealt with to provide full exposure of the malefactors. Whether through intent or a blind spot naming names is part of the equation. To just name "what" and "why" without naming "WHO" (in other than generalities) simply alarms people and presents no avenue of action.

This country is now being ripped apart. Most of the today's most important news wasn't posted here: "Obama Signing Statement weakens whistle-blower protections," Obama is said to consider Preventive Detention Plan." We are in an economic and constitutional crisis.

They (the Rotchilds and Rockefuckers and their agents) are now coming from so many angles that it is impossible to keep tabs on every attack, and it is not always necessary to do so to know WHO is directing it. Action directly against the top tier of the Oligarchy exposing their existence and actions does not require a micro-fine understanding of every nuance and attack. One must know enough to act and to know WHO to act against, but the rest is just noise. We know what they are doing and at this point their actions are predictable and follow a simple agenda to cement their power:

1. Eliminate Free Speech and criminalize "hate speech" (which is anything that exposes their actions). A subset of this is to close down the internet as it provides an avenue around the controlled major media.

2. Disarm the American People as that represents an implied ability to act forcibly against the architects, and front men and women, for the tyranny.

3. Eviscerate the rest of the "Bill of Rights" through such actions as the un-patriot Act.

4. Keep the sheeple confused and alarmed with a barrage of contradictory, alarming, and filtered information - while power is being consolidated.

5. Establish total monetary, hence all trade and commerce, control so as to make private non-supervised transactions impossible, and to provide them with their psychotic need for ever greater wealth and control.

Alex Jones for all the information he puts out is adding to the contradictions, alarm, confusion, and indecision thus insuring that many WILL NOT look. They, out of fear and alarm, will tighten down their blinders and try to wish it all away. I think Jeff Rense has a better methodology by calmly, almost dispassionately without sugar coating it, putting out the information without making it seem more alarming than need be. He also is very good about naming the WHO. That is why I found the mutual animosity between him and Jones instructive.

(Edited to correct a typo.)

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-05-21   15:19:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Artisan, lodwick, litus, freepatriot32, tom007, deasy, Brian S, RickyJ, X-15, phantom patriot (#47)

Youse guys too. Like (((((Ping))))) man. ;-)

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-05-21   15:32:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: randge (#46)

I always treated folks the way I wanted to be treated.

That is the right way to live. And I commend you on an excellent post.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-05-21   15:42:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Original_Intent (#47)

I always treated folks the way I wanted to be treated.

H.L. Mencken said something about keeping the populace alarmed with imaginary hobgoblins.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-05-21   15:44:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: James Deffenbach (#50)

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
~
H. L. Mencken

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-05-21   15:51:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Original_Intent (#51)

Yes, that is the quote I was thinking of. Thanks for posting it.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-05-21   15:56:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Original_Intent, all (#47)

To some degree which groups these individuals belong to is irrelevant, i.e., whether Jew or Gentile, but to some degree it does inform our understanding of the interrelationships of these individuals.

I agree. To some degree it doesn't matter. Well said.

What makes me suspicious is when people try and cover for these groups. Because the corollary to that is that sometimes the groups do matter.

If I told you I was a nazi, it would be safe to assume I believe as the nazis believe and act as they act. Same goes for zionists. Were there "good nazis"? Probably not. But there were good Germans and some of those Germans wore uniforms.

It's odd how this works. In order to be a good Jew you must be a zionist, other wise they call you a "self-hating Jew". To be a "bad Jew" you must be against zionism and all it stands for. So the "bad Jews" are the good guys and the "good jews" are the enemy.

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It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.

It's a forum post, not a doctoral thesis.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-05-21   16:27:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Original_Intent ratcat, Itistoolate, christine, TwentyTwelve, CadetD, TwentyTwelve, PSUSA, Wudidiz, Rotara, James Deffenbach, farmfriend, Jethro Tull, IndieTX, randge, horse, FormerLurker, bluegrass, HOUNDDAWG, HAPPY2BME-4UM. Kamala, Deacon Benjamin, Swa (#47)

Our future now depends upon supporting, and taking part in those GROUPS which are doing something EFFECTIVE. We Are Change is certainly one but not the only. Defeatism does no good and that ultimately is what Alex Jones is selling - defeatism.

I agree with your premise which calls for effective group action. However, I don't think Alex sells defeatism. That's an unfair charge.

Alex can rant, and he can go out an bullhorn against injustice and taunt the bigwigs at their confabs, but if he stakes out a position as a LEADER of a party or movement he will begin to bend his role as a journalist and advocate beyond the envelope.

He has already painted a big target on his back, and he has his hands full with his show, his videos and the activism that he's engaged in. That's a big load for one man. He is not cut out for the political role by his own admission.

Someone else will step up and take up the flag when the time comes. And that time is coming soon. The waters are lapping at the brim of the spillway. When the system finally goes bankrupt, the vital critical mass which at present lacking will coalesce, and folks will find the leadership that they require.

Perhaps you'll be one of those leaders, OI. Temper your rhetoric, and keep a cool head.

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randge  posted on  2009-05-21   21:00:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: randge (#54)

However, I don't think Alex sells defeatism. That's an unfair charge.

Alex can rant, and he can go out an bullhorn against injustice and taunt the bigwigs at their confabs, but if he stakes out a position as a LEADER of a party or movement he will begin to bend his role as a journalist and advocate beyond the envelope.

He has already painted a big target on his back, and he has his hands full with his show, his videos and the activism that he's engaged in. That's a big load for one man. He is not cut out for the political role by his own admission.

well said, randge. i agree.

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christine  posted on  2009-05-21   21:12:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: PSUSA (#53)

Were there "good nazis"? Probably not. But there were good Germans and some of those Germans wore uniforms.

There were "good nazis."

There was a German diplomat in Nanking who saved the lives of thousand of Chinese from the butchery carried out in 1937 by troops of the Japanese Imperial Army. I had to look up his name, John Rab. It appears that a film featuring his role in the events of that time has erecently been released. Here's an excerpt from a review of John Rabe published by the BBC:

Japanese troops had stormed the capital, carrying out mass executions and raping tens of thousands of local women and girls, in a six-week orgy of violence that became known as the Rape of Nanjing.

Risking his life, Rabe remained in China and, along with a handful of Westerners, set up a "safety zone" in Nanjing that is thought to have prevented the massacre of more than 200,000 Chinese during one of the bloodiest episodes of the Japanese invasion.

Japanese soldiers used live Chinese prisoners for bayonet practice As Germany and Japan were allies, Rabe used his Nazi party membership to do all he could to protect civilians in the zone - including sheltering 650 refugees in his own house and garden.

With a flash of his swastika armband and through sheer force of personality, he intervened in acts of looting and attempted rape by the Japanese troops.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7907437.stm

You never know about folks.

John Rabe

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randge  posted on  2009-05-21   21:15:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: randge, Original_Intent, christine, PSUSA, *Up to the Sun* (#46)

There are Jews that are pigs and there are Jews that are saints and there are many in between.

From my vantage point, this is true. There's something more to say, though. With a century or more of our media, religion, education, and politics dominated by intelligent and creative Jews, who are we? Do we know? Can we know? I give a resounding "yes!"

Finding out who we are involves digging into our past. Carl Jung found what he believed was evidence for racial ties to ancient symbolism in the northern European peoples. The dreamers described archetypes based on the original Norse mythology, even when they didn't have any educational exposure to the stories. Jung believed that archetypes were inherited. In other words, Jung began to believe that we are different, that different races have different symbols. He and Freud began to go their own separate ways partly over this, as I understand it.

What our contemporary western world is today is a superimposition of Judaic values and ideals, religious beliefs, and cultural constructs over core European attitudes. This is not necessarily wrong. But for those of us who are interested in exploring our past and searching for reasons why we might be dissatisfied with the present world in which we inhabit, it is important to consider the possibility that our racial and ethnic tendencies are being suppressed.

We can place value judgments on this or that racial or ethnic element, but what matters most is what makes us feel most comfortable, most at home. I do not feel superior to people with different racial traits. I do not feel "better" than Jews or blacks or Asians. I am just different. There must be scientific evidence to describe why, in many ways, I know that I am different. I will resist being forced to adhere to other cultural and racial models and motivations.

This makes me pro-European, not so much anti-other. I want to be myself, to live free, breathing the air of 10,000 years of European traditions, and whatever else I choose. This is a new world, my world. I make the decision. And choose I will. And I choose to go my way, leaving Jewish things behind where I recognize them. Let them go their way without me.

If this sounds like a cultural manifesto, it should.

Deasy  posted on  2009-05-21   21:28:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Deasy (#57)

This makes me pro-European, not so much anti-other. I want to be myself, to live free, breathing the air of 10,000 years of European traditions, and whatever else I choose. This is a new world, my world. I make the decision. And choose I will. And I choose to go my way, leaving Jewish things behind where I recognize them. Let them go their way without me.

If this sounds like a cultural manifesto, it should.

Bravo, and hear, hear!

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Lod  posted on  2009-05-21   22:06:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: lodwick (#58)

Thank you, lodwick. I should refine it and post it to a thread.

Deasy  posted on  2009-05-21   22:28:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: randge (#54)

Excellent post.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-05-21   23:16:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: randge (#46)

The servants of Lucifer or Satan or whatever the hell you call him come in many guises.

Exactly!

ratcat  posted on  2009-05-22   1:52:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Original_Intent, PSUSA (#47)

As PSUSA pointed out the figures running this show have names and identities. Where the light needs to be shown is upon the INDIVIDUALS directing the show.

There is always the argument that under our Constitutional system, we elected federal representatives: Senators, Reps and a President. It is their duty to represent us and not serve the unnamed individuals running the show. It is their duty to enforce the laws and equal justice under the laws. And if they don't do it, it is our duty to dismantle it and/or correct it.

We don't have to know the identities of all those men behind the curtain.

Barry needs to be kicked out for not being a Constitutional president, anyway.

Jeff Rense doesn't have one-tenth the audience of Jones. In order to stay on the air and get out as much information as possible, Jones has to stay his present course. It's remarkable that they haven't framed him already - but they fear greatly increasing his audience even more. People are waking up and Jones' audience has exploded, via tools like Youtube.

ratcat  posted on  2009-05-22   2:06:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: ratcat (#62)

There is always the argument that under our Constitutional system, we elected federal representatives: Senators, Reps and a President. It is their duty to represent us and not serve the unnamed individuals running the show. It is their duty to enforce the laws and equal justice under the laws. And if they don't do it, it is our duty to dismantle it and/or correct it.

We don't have to know the identities of all those men behind the curtain.

You cannot correct a problem if you do not know the source. While we do have a representative form of government that at no time relieves us of our individual responsibility for the society in which we live. It's like the old Freddy Prinze joke about the Puerto Rican Janitor: "It's na my job." Not knowing and not caring is what got us into the current mess. Without a correct target you go shooting off in ten different directions with nothing ever getting done.

It is their duty to represent us and not serve the unnamed individuals running the show.

However, that is not the scene we have. We have a scene where the individuals who style themselves our betters and Masters control, through blackmail, extortion, and bribery our so-called representatives. Not knowing WHO is doing that leaves it a vague generality and generalities do not admit to a solution. Without knowing WHO you cannot ever have a correct target, and without a correct target you have nothing at which to aim your efforts.

As well these individuals, Nathan Rothschild, Jay Rockefeller, etc., are known and there is pleanty of evidence with which to name the other principal players in this horror story. and to solve a problem you must name that problem. As well these cretins do fear public exposure and being held to account for their crimes. To the degree that they are exposed their action is constrained and they are put in fear for their own worthless necks.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-05-22   12:03:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Deasy (#57)

I promised you a reply per PM, and I find that today I only have time for a short one, so I'll reply to this paragraph in a limited way as each of your points could furnish the subject of a small library of thought and enquiry.

What our contemporary western world is today is a superimposition of Judaic values and ideals, religious beliefs, and cultural constructs over core European attitudes.

It would be quite a study to disentangle Judaic values and ideals from Greco- Roman and shall we say Celto-Teutonic values and ideals. You might begin with what they all have in common: evolved ideas about the sanctity of property, individual rights, the importance of monogamy and family life, and a reliance on the institution of religion in place of the practice of magic; that is to say a reliance on overarching divinity which must be honored and propitiated rather than the manipulation of natural forces in the form of spirits which can be conjured and controlled.

As to how the northern Europeans differ from the former, I would say that the spirit of independence both politically and individually has always predominated among them, as well as a reverence for women, a legacy of an ancient matriarchy, among the Teutons at least. Along with their Greek and Roman cousins the Nords honored a number of gods, of course, and when constrained to worship the One, they gave him the name Guth or Good or God. The Gauls and the Germans also honored war for its own sake as we see in the writings that they left behind, as well as in the works of Roman commentators.

These are just observations off the top of my head, and I have no claim of erudition in this subject matter. The question spans a significant chunk of history and it is hard for me to say just what core European attitudes are as the cultures in question have become irretrievable entangled with one another over the past two millenia. I’m sure that you have thought about this question more than I have. So et me ask you:

“What are the values, ideals, religious beliefs, and cultural constructs that we can say are peculiarly European?”

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randge  posted on  2009-05-22   15:51:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: randge (#64) (Edited)

You might begin with what they all have in common:

Point by point:

  1. sanctity of property.
  2. individual rights.
  3. monogamy.
  4. family life.
  5. institutionalized religion in place of mysticism.
First property: As I understand it, property ownership in both Greece and Rome was rare for men who had not achieved status through military accomplishments or other contributions to the empire. Both societies went through tribal and feudal stages before they achieved nationhood and then empire.

Second, individual rights: I would dispute the notion that most individuals had special rights in the Greco-Roman civilizations. Citizens were non-slave men even in "democratic" Greece, for example.

Third, monogomy: Greeks and Romans were sometimes polygamous. So were Jews, as Solomon and others serve as examples.

Fourth, value for family life: inconsistent across all civilizations.

Fifth, Avoidance of mysticism: again, inconsistent.

What are the values, ideals, religious beliefs, and cultural constructs that we can say are peculiarly European?
I would describe the difference as being primarily centered on the issue of polytheism versus monotheism. Monotheism posits that there is only one God, and that he or she is supreme over other deities and demigods. This permits the believer to arrive in a foreign land and smash the idols of the conquered, hence the term "iconoclast." Animism and other nativist beliefs are smashed by monotheism, as well. Judaism as the antecedent to Christianity and Islam is our prime example of monotheism's tendency toward iconoclasm. Christianity and Islam have exhibited modern histories of destroying entire civilizations, possibly even more successfully than Judaism has.

A fundamental tenet of the Renaissance and the Christian reformation was the belief that the individual must and should interpret the Bible for himself rather than base his beliefs on the dictates of corruptible institutions. However, the polytheist is always free to build his faith in a subjective, interpretive manner. The Enlightenment took subjectivity a step further toward personal pursuit of truth. This was a second major step forward and away from the intellectual constraints of monotheism. We continue to see conflict between science and religion in regard to the age of the universe and the nature of genetic mutations. The Catholic church imprisoned Galileo for positing that the earth revolved around the sun and not the other way around.

On the question of superstition, one only need look at the beliefs Christian Evangelical Americans share in Israel's religious significance to see that Christianity has not banished the pitfalls of mysticism.

Note that the Greeks, Romans, and Celto-Germans were polytheists who also welcomed the pursuit of science and philosophy. They believed that race was significant, although both the Romans and the Greeks came to embrace empire as a means for "Hellenizing" or "Romanizing" their conquests.

The historian Hilda Ellis Davidson has compared Celtic and Germanic religions and finds them very similar. They both have influences that tie them back to Greek and Roman cultures. The Hindu religion, with its castes and avatars of God also has links to Germanic religion. These are in stark contrast to Judaic faiths, all of which have ties back to the dualism found early on in Zoroastrianism, which itself may have ties back to Indo-European culture.

One interesting way to look at all of this is that medieval Catholic monks, pursuing a Judaic faith, interpreted history and religion for us — including classical interpretations of Celto-Germanic, Zoroastrian, and Greco-Roman civilizations.

We should be on a quest to learn more, to dig down beneath the layers of interpretive history imposed on us by the medieval Christians.

Deasy  posted on  2009-05-22   21:41:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Old Friend (#10)

You support the killing of little kids.

You are a Sicko who need lots and lots of help!

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2009-06-03   10:07:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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