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Title: Exactly what kinds of birth records does Hawaii provide?
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URL Source: http://mijgreb.blogtownhall.com/
Published: May 20, 2009
Author: Mijgreb
Post Date: 2009-05-20 13:10:12 by 2big2fail
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Views: 139
Comments: 11

Generally, folks don't know that Hawaii law, even in 1961, provided for multiple kinds of birth records, most of which are not what people think of when they think of birth certificates. The following is a description of those, including certificates for people not born in Hawaii. Go figure!

1. In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were three different birth certificates that were obtainable:
a. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’ identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
b. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or mid wife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, an adult could, upon testimony, file a “Delayed Certificate”, which required endorsement on the Delayed Certificate of a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing, which evidence must be kept in a special permanent file. The statute provided that the probative value of the Delayed Certificate must be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence. (See Section 57-18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
c. If a child born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult including the subject person) if the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year. (See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
2. In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fourth kind of birth certificate for children born outside of the Territory or State of Hawaii. HRS Chapter 338 was amended to add a new section authorizing the Director of the Department of Health to issue a birth certificate for a person NOT born in Hawaii either as a Territory or State, upon sufficient proof that the legal parents of such individual had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth of such child.
3. The language of the statute clearly applies to births in the days of the Territory of Hawaii, so also births in 1961.
4. A press release concerning numerous questions raised across the country as to whether or not Obama was a natural born citizen was issued on October 31, 2008 by the Hawaii Department of Health by its Director, Dr. Chiyome Fukino.
5. In that very carefully worded press release, Dr. Fukino said that she had “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”
6. The intentional ambiguity of that statement raises more questions that it answered.
7. That statement failed to resolve any of the questions being raised by litigation across the country over the issue of Obama’s birth and qualifications for the office of the President of the United States, including:
a. The specific type of certificate was not identified. Could it be the certificate for someone born outside of the State of Hawaii?
b. Being “on record” could mean either that its contents are in the computer database of the department or an actual “vault” original. If the latter, those are the words used to describe what is there. The data base record could have been entered based on a birth record for someone born outside of Hawaii.
c. Therefore, the value as prima facie evidence is limited and easily overcome if any of the allegations of substantial evidence of birth outside Hawaii can be obtained and verified with a Court Order.
8. It should also be noted that in the face of all this litigation, the simple presentation of Obama’s vault birth records would put the questions to rest.
9. Obama has not taken this approach to a single one of the cases, but instead has hired legal counsel across the country at no small expense to defend the claims with motions to dismiss on standing and similar procedural grounds.
10. Such response to the request for proof that he is qualified to serve as President of the United States of America only serves to raise more questions about this election.

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#1. To: 2big2fail, nolu chan, Charlie Chan, Number One Son (#0)

Boot the alien interloper back to Kenya!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-05-20   13:17:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: 2big2fail (#0)

9. Obama has not taken this approach to a single one of the cases, but instead has hired legal counsel across the country at no small expense to defend the claims with motions to dismiss on standing and similar procedural grounds.

I doubt Obama is spending his own money. No sane person would spend upwards of a million dollars (or more) keeping a document hidden that they could produce for less than twenty. What Obama's actions tell me is that he is hiding something, probably the fact that he was not born in Hawaii but in Kenya and is ineligible to be president. I call him the acting president (among other things).

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-05-20   13:18:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

nolu chan, Charlie Chan, Number One Son

LOL!!!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-05-20   13:19:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: James Deffenbach (#2)

I doubt Obama is spending his own money. No sane person would spend upwards of a million dollars (or more) keeping a document hidden that they could produce for less than twenty. What Obama's actions tell me is that he is hiding something, probably the fact that he was not born in Hawaii but in Kenya and is ineligible to be president. I call him the acting president (among other things).

I like what Jeff Rense calls him: "The Usurper".

My Oxford New American Diction defines Usurp as: "take (a position of power or importance) illegally or by force: Richard usurped the throne".

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-05-20   13:34:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: James Deffenbach, Jethro Tull, all (#3)

I call him the acting president (among other things).

In the grand scheme, could this be the foundation for allowing someone clearly not born here (can you say Arnold) to run for potus?

After all, we've had a Kenyan muslim; why not an Austrian nazi?

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-05-20   13:37:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: lodwick (#5)

These cases will grind on for a long time in the face of stubborn resistance by the blind and suborned that populate the legal system and the justice system.

We will be watching this process for years to come, I believe, and the wights in our courts may continue to prevent the dam from breaking.

But, come 2012, if the man in the White House tries again, or should a Schwarzenegger attempt a run, the scrutiny will be intense. This time there will be challenges before parties convene to make their nominations.

From this day on, we need to see BONA FIDES!

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randge  posted on  2009-05-20   14:27:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

Being “on record” could mean either that its contents are in the computer database of the department or an actual “vault” original.

Scanned in or photocopied records can be worthless.

When auditing a welfare program which was supposed to keep photocopies of the recipients' photo IDs, on one of the photocopies of a black guy's license, all you could see was two white dots where the eyes were.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2009-05-20   14:38:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Original_Intent (#4)

I like what Jeff Rense calls him: "The Usurper".

My Oxford New American Diction defines Usurp as: "take (a position of power or importance) illegally or by force: Richard usurped the throne".

And Obama has to know he is not eleigible. Otherwise he would just tell the folks in Hawaii to produce that birth certificate and put an end to the speculation. Since he refuses to do that, and since the more he delays the more people will be suspicious if he ever offers to release it (because of all the time they have had to create one for him), a lot of people will never see him as a legitimate president.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-05-20   15:06:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: lodwick (#5)

In the grand scheme, could this be the foundation for allowing someone clearly not born here (can you say Arnold) to run for potus?

After all, we've had a Kenyan muslim; why not an Austrian nazi?

That could be one of their goals.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2009-05-20   15:07:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: MUDDOG (#7)

all you could see was two white dots where the eyes were.

An ugga booga moment

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-05-20   16:18:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: randge, all (#6)

From this day on, we need to see BONA FIDES!

That would be refreshing.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-05-20   16:34:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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