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Title: How to deal with Cindy Sheehan - FReeper-style
Source: RimJobs cesspool
URL Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1461234/posts
Published: Aug 11, 2005
Author: svcw - a typical FReeper
Post Date: 2005-08-11 11:00:33 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: FReeper-style, Sheehan, Cindy
Views: 2293
Comments: 236

To: roylene

It would make me feel better if you would punch her. This woman is a lunatic.

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#23. To: Elliott Jackalope (#21)

Thanks, EJ.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-08-11   12:21:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: christine (#22)

amazing these ball-less wonders on the internet calling for someone else to punch a woman. i guarantee you they'd not say boo to cindy to her face. reminds me of a certain CP coward, here in austin, who claimed he would spit in our faces if he ever met us in person,

The ass hid behind bushes, rather than confront little, 'ol you?

Clowns....an appropriate name.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-08-11   12:23:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: crack monkey (#18)

Recall the post WhiteSands made yesterday: "If she had taken better care of her son he wouldn't be dead now".

beyond despicable..just what is the rationale for this outrageous comment?

You yourself are too much of a coward to get involved personally - even though you could join up now very easily.

If you support the war and you are not in uniform, then you are a hypocrite.

checkmate.

"American Woman"

christine  posted on  2005-08-11   12:23:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: christine (#22)

yeah the armchair brigade really are couragous sitting behind a monitor or hiding in the bushes LOL!!

Comfortably Numb

Zipporah  posted on  2005-08-11   12:24:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

yep, a supposedly 6'7" 200+ lb wimp man. i'm 5'3" 112 lbs. ;)

"American Woman"

christine  posted on  2005-08-11   12:26:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: christine (#22)

someone else to punch a woman.

Brings to mind my favorite OxyBoy story.

Back when he had his TV show, in 1994/5, he put up a picture of Socks, the WH cat, then he followed it up with a snapshot of Chelse, calling the White House Dog.

Now, I don't know about you, but the sheer putridness of an allegely grown man making fun of a 16 year teenager was really sleazy.

swarthyguy  posted on  2005-08-11   12:31:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: swarthyguy (#28)

i remember that.

"American Woman"

christine  posted on  2005-08-11   12:38:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Jethro Tull (#17)

As someone said above, the Brady analogy is a strawman.

No Jethro, as I stated before, it is a valid analogy.
And it may be a surprise to many here that I applaud the Constitutional distinction that you made. Kudos!
However, I doubt that Sheehan is actually motivated by concern for adherence to Constitutional processes.
She's simply pissed because she lost her son.
Issues of government policy or constitutionality don't mean squat to her.
All she wants to do is vent.

Willie Green  posted on  2005-08-11   13:45:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Willie Green (#30)

However, I doubt that Sheehan is actually motivated by concern for adherence to Constitutional processes

She has countless reasons to demonstrate, beyond the illegality of the war Willie. I also mentioned the nation building scheme Bush is engaged in. You and I were both posting on the FR during Somalia and Bosnia....it was then a united forum against Herr Klinton. What is galling now is the current hypocrisy of the R’s over at that cesspool. You have to admit this country is in awful shape, and a large reason why is the blind allegiance some hold to the two party system. The pom-pom waving FReepers are no different that the socialist D‘s who wore kneepads for Bill.

Iraq is Bosnia is Somalia.

The only difference being the political party of the current (very unpopular) CIC.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-08-11   14:02:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Willie Green (#30)

She's simply pissed because she lost her son.

Don't you think it's harder to lose a son in a war you don't believe in, especially after it's become evident that the war was based on lies?

aristeides  posted on  2005-08-11   14:19:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: christine (#27)

i'm 5'3" 112 lbs. ;)

:) :) :) :)

Are we but an organic computer influenced by our environment to desire one set of neuropeptides over another, equating into competition for self worth on a primitive level never seen by the shallow and self empowering.

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-08-11   14:47:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Willie Green (#30)

She told the audience of veterans from World War Two to today's war in Iraq, that the two main things she plans to tell the man she holds responsible for son Casey's death are "Quit saying that U.S. troops died for a noble cause in Iraq, unless you say, 'well, except for Casey Sheehan.' Don't you dare spill any more blood in Casey's name. You do not have permission to use my son's name."

"And the other thing I want him to tell me is 'just what was the noble cause Casey died for?' Was it freedom and democracy? Bullshit! He died for oil. He died to make your friends richer. He died to expand American imperialism in the Middle East. We're not freer here, thanks to your PATRIOT Act. Iraq is not free. You get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine and you'll stop the terrorism," she exclaimed.

"There, I used the 'I' word -- imperialism," the 48 year-old mother quipped. "And now I'm going to use another 'I' word -- impeachment -- because we cannot have these people pardoned. They need to be tried on war crimes and go to jail."

As the veterans in Dallas rose to their feet, Sheehan said defiantly, "My son was killed in 2004. I am not paying my taxes for 2004. You killed my son, George Bush, and I don't owe you a penny...you give my son back and I'll pay my taxes. Come after me (for back taxes) and we'll put this war on trial."

(Willie Green)However, I doubt that Sheehan is actually motivated by concern for adherence to Constitutional processes.
She's simply pissed because she lost her son. Issues of government policy or constitutionality don't mean squat to her.

Read more of what Cindy has to say at http://www.meetwithcindy.org.

"WE ARE INSULTED when people like Bush say that America has to 'stay the course' in Iraq to 'honor our children's sacrifices.' Not one more drop of blood should be shed for the lies and deceptions." - Cindy Sheehan, mother of Casey Sheehan, KIA 04/04/04

One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?

robin  posted on  2005-08-11   14:47:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Jethro Tull (#31)

the blind allegiance some hold to the two party system

This Willie Green lunatic still buys into the "two party" paradigm?

He truly is a moron.

Unlike a lot of sheep he is here on the web exposed to the truth of what is really going on and he still holds tenuously to "my party good, your party bad" BS.

I would not waste any more time on this dunce, except for just pure entertainment or shits and giggles.

Are we but an organic computer influenced by our environment to desire one set of neuropeptides over another, equating into competition for self worth on a primitive level never seen by the shallow and self empowering.

timetobuildaboat  posted on  2005-08-11   14:53:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: timetobuildaboat (#35)

You obviously have no frigging idea WTF you're talking about, so go build your boat.

Willie Green  posted on  2005-08-11   15:03:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: timetobuildaboat, Willie Green (#35)

This Willie Green lunatic still buys into the "two party" paradigm?

Yes he does, but I have hope for him.

Anyone who gets the trade issue as right as Willie, isn't completely lost.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-08-11   18:13:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Jethro Tull (#37)

Hey, I haven't voted for a Republicrat candidate for POTUS since '88 when I was backstabbed by Papa Bush.
Since then, I've voted for Perot (twice), Buchanan and Peroutka.
So don't go slandering me with that "two party paradigm" bullcrap just because I refuse to align myself with the left-wing anti-war marxist dingbats.

Willie Green  posted on  2005-08-11   18:40:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Willie Green (#38)

left-wing anti-war marxist dingbats.

Hate to give you a ticket on the clue bus but Marxist dingbats are the ones that are promoting the war.

Comfortably Numb

Zipporah  posted on  2005-08-11   18:41:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Willie Green (#38)

just because I refuse to align myself with the left-wing anti-war marxist dingbats.

Glad to hear you dumped the R's.....now.....it's time to dump the left and right nonsense.

It’s all about right and wrong.

You won't find a Marxist here Willie, no Little red books, or pictures of Che Guevara. We're a small remnant of nationalists (yes, that's a good word), protectionists and isolationists, but I speak for myself. Internationalism be damned.

Now, on to your non comment on Bush's desire to build a 'new' Middle East.' If that isn’t nation building, what is? And if the search for non existent WMD’s morphing into the creation of a democracy isn’t mission creep, the phrase doesn’t exist. Iraq isn't our damn business, and any kid who is stupid enough to fight in this military, for this government, gets what h/she deserves. I’m personally not grieving over Cindy Sheehan’s loss, rather I’m cheering her fight. Cold words for sure, but her boy was a corporate Hessian in my eyes. We’re witnessing the biggest movement toward empire since the Brits - and history (and free trade) has reduced them to nothing more than America's poodle.

Stick around Willie if you have an open mind. We all learn every day. It's those who remain frozen in cold war dogma who are truly lost.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-08-11   18:59:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: christine (#5)

hey, willie, why don't you get your warmongering gungho ass over to iraq and fight this war? or better yet, you got your kid over there?

You mean you don't know Freepers and other war supporters are cowards? That they only support war when others fight? It makes them feel like men, like they've got some balls, however tiny.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2005-08-11   19:18:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

This is from the same kind of people who celebrated and made fun of Rachel Corrie being killed by an Israeli goon. They are a cancer within our society.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2005-08-11   19:31:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Jethro Tull (#40)

and he's scored again! you are on your game today, baby! ;)

"American Woman"

christine  posted on  2005-08-11   19:41:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Willie Green (#11)

Just like Sarah Brady, Cindy Sheehan is exploiting the tragic personal sacrifice of a family member to make an emotional statement on the national political stage.

No, she is mad as hell her son died for a damn lie, got it?

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2005-08-11   19:58:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: RickyJ (#44)

No, she is mad as hell her son died for a damn lie, got it?

I agree. Sheehan's son has been dead a very short time and anyone who accuses her of exploiting his death is pretty fricken sick IMO.

Comfortably Numb

Zipporah  posted on  2005-08-11   20:01:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: crack monkey (#18)

She is now taking it upon herself to do something about this. This is a courages act that subjects her to vicious attacks from people like you, Hannity, Michael Savage and the average Freeper. Recall the post WhiteSands made yesterday: "If she had taken better care of her son he wouldn't be dead now".

Holy cow, someone actually said some bullshit like that? Like it's Sheehan's fault that the Center for Army Lessons Learned and the Urban Warfare Journal have been screaming for at least six years (and it probably goes back at least a decade) that urban warfare training needed to be a priority for the army, and their pleas were unanswered? Like it's her fault that "Help is on the way" for the military, and nothing changed from the Clinton era? I haven't followed the Cindy Sheehan threads, but had to respond when I read the quoted line. I haven't had that much beer tonight but my mind still can't work its way around the reasoning that parenting caused a soldier's death.

"Rivers of blood were spilled out over land that, in normal times, not ever the poorest Arab would have worried his head over"--Field Marshal Erwin Rommel

historian1944  posted on  2005-08-11   22:02:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: christine (#43)

and he's scored again!

I wish :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-08-11   22:11:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: historian1944 (#46)

I haven't had that much beer tonight but my mind still can't work its way around the reasoning that parenting caused a soldier's death.

outrageous, isn't it?

"American Woman"

christine  posted on  2005-08-11   22:14:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Jethro Tull (#40)

Iraq isn't our damn business,

That's water over the dam, Jethro.
If we were debating whether Papa Bush should help boot Saddam out of Kuwait, I'd probably agree with you.
Let the stinking OPECKers deal with it themselves.
But that's NOT what happened, so the issue becomes what do we do since we ARE involved?
As far as I'm concerned, if Papa Bush got us involved, he shoulda finished Saddam back in Gulf I.
And Klinton should have obliterated Sadddam for violating the no-fly zone.
And Dubya shoulda dropped a grenade down Saddam's "spider hole" instead of capturing the SOB and pi$$ing away more taxpayer dollars on a "trial".
And I don't give a rat's patoot whether or not there were any WMDs.

But none of that happened either.
So we're stuck with "nation building".
I don't like it, but at this point, it is the "right" thing to do.
(as opposed to letting the country collapse into anarchy and civil war.)

Willie Green  posted on  2005-08-11   22:59:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Willie Green (#49)

As far as I'm concerned, if Papa Bush got us involved, he shoulda finished Saddam back in Gulf I.

Why? We had NO business getting involved in that either esp when Saddam was given the go ahead to attack Kuwait and he was told we had no interest in that conflict. So then we attack? What horseshit.

Comfortably Numb

Zipporah  posted on  2005-08-11   23:03:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Willie Green (#38)

Hey, I haven't voted for a Republicrat candidate for POTUS since '88

you got it way before i did then.

"American Woman"

christine  posted on  2005-08-11   23:03:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Willie Green (#49)

So we're stuck with "nation building". I don't like it, but at this point, it is the "right" thing to do.

The right thing to do? You think we are building a nation in Iraq?

You are living in fantasy land!

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2005-08-11   23:04:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Willie Green (#49)

But that's NOT what happened, so the issue becomes what do we do since we ARE involved?

First, get the fools who forced us into this mess out of office.

They have aptly demonstrated that they cannot competently handle the situation.

Look at the quotes from Bush's dad on why he did not knock off Saddam after the first Gulf War. Both Bush Sr. and Powell predicted the quagmire that we now face.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-08-11   23:05:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Willie Green (#49)

I don't like it, but at this point, it is the "right" thing to do. (as opposed to letting the country collapse into anarchy and civil war.)

Also, what makes you think thats not exactly what's happened? And WHY is any of this our business? We are the invaders period. They dont want us there, they never did. It's all a fraud we've done enough damage there now its in a total friggen mess and IMO a civil war is exactly what was planned from the beginning. The big solution is going to be dividing Iraq into three sections. SO much for taking democracy to Iraq. And thats another fraud I thought democracy was the will of the people.. if that is what Bush and his cohorts want to spread then give them democracy its their will that the US leaves.

Comfortably Numb

Zipporah  posted on  2005-08-11   23:06:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Willie Green (#49)

Lt Odom blows your hypothesis out of the water here. You never, never, never chase good money after bad. The prudent thing to do is to cut your losses. But the elites don't care about the human losses. It's all about their power and their profit as is the case with EVERY war.

"American Woman"

christine  posted on  2005-08-11   23:10:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Zipporah (#50)

We had NO business getting involved in that either esp when Saddam was given the go ahead to attack Kuwait and he was told we had no interest in that conflict.

Before Saddam attacked Kuwait, he called in our Ambassador April Glaspie and asked her what the Americans thought of the plan. Iraq did have a claim to the region, but Saddam wanted to bounce it off the Americans before going in.

When Saddam asked: "Can we go into Kuwait?" Glaspie responded "The US doesn't interfere in Arab affairs.".

crack monkey  posted on  2005-08-11   23:16:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: christine (#55)

Lt Odom

It's Ret. General Odom.

crack monkey  posted on  2005-08-11   23:17:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Zipporah (#54)

Also, what makes you think thats not exactly what's happened?

The casualty figures are way too low.
If there was truly a general uprising of the local populace, casualties would be at least 100x greater and there would be a massive migration of refugees.

Willie Green  posted on  2005-08-11   23:21:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Willie Green (#58)

If there was truly a general uprising of the local populace, casualties would be at least 100x greater and there

This isn't what happened in Viet Nam. There a large percentage of the general population supported the insurgents but didn't actually fight. Hence, they weren't killed unless the Americans had been drinking that day or a Sgt. Cally type situation was in progress. Why would it be any different in Iraq?

...there would be a massive migration of refugees

We didn't see this in Viet Nam. We didn't see this in france during WW II. Must the world morph into something new in order to protect Bush from his silly mistakes?

crack monkey  posted on  2005-08-11   23:28:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

One little ole woman certainly has them all stirred up..........wonder why?

Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant

justlurking  posted on  2005-08-11   23:32:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Willie Green (#58)

The casualty figures are way too low. If there was truly a general uprising of the local populace, casualties would be at least 100x greater and there would be a massive migration of refugees.

The casualty figures of our soldiers?? Are you basing this on the official figures?

Comfortably Numb

Zipporah  posted on  2005-08-11   23:34:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: justlurking (#60)

One little ole woman certainly has them all stirred up..........wonder why?

Hey JL!

Probably because she's getting media attention. And they're afraid no doubt she'll start a national movement against the war.

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Zipporah  posted on  2005-08-11   23:40:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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