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Title: Jack Blood Interview with General Janis Karpinski (Abu Ghraib Commander)
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URL Source: http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/Blood_09.html
Published: Apr 28, 2009
Author: Jack "Blood"
Post Date: 2009-05-23 15:04:52 by Deasy
Keywords: torture, mp3, military, zionism
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Comments: 49
04/28/2009Tuesday With Dr. Len Horowitz & Gen. Janis Karpinski. MP3.
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Has Jack ever kept a job for more than a year?
I don't know about JB but just think about Kparinski's experience. One year she was a U.S. Army officer, and the next she was an outcast. But Rumsfeld and Cheney walked away without as much as a reprimand.
Janis was definitely the fall-gal for our torture.
She names names of those who knew about the use of torture. General Miller. And others: the Senate intelligence committee. Bush's cabinet.
At the prison: there were dozens and dozens of contractor-interrogators, and they knew Arabic. Which group of people know Arabic and are willing to terrorize Arabs?
Yep.
I have to say this is valuable audio. She blows it wide open. What a patriot.
Karpinsky is a Jew dyke that should have gone to prison.
Karpinsky and the officer crew sent the West Virginia girl to prison for three years, that was done to satisfy the MSM that wanted blood. Low man or girl on the totem pole gets sent up the river. Karpinsky should have gone to prison but she played the "idiot" part of I didnt know anything, she got her pension and walked.
Exactly. Amazing how few people know what this Skeletor-lookalike is really about.
Karpinsky was a real estate sales person of some sort, knew nothing about prisons, played the reserve officer game for years and when the prison job was given her she was in over her head. Karpinsky let the little misfit private female from West Virginia go to prison rather than taking the rap herself. Her defense was "I didnt know anything"...she was given a pat on her ass and her pension and moved to FL.
Karpinsky... "Brigadier General Janis Karpinski, commanding officer of the unit at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq during 2003, was demoted to Colonel in May, 2004, after being (depending on which story you believe) responsible for, or scapegoated for, the scandalous acts of American torture against Iraqi detainees at the prison. Karpinski had never run a prison system before then, and repeatedly claimed that she did not know what was going on. Her father, who allegedly molested her as a child, was a chemical engineer, her mother a housewife, Republican activist and alleged alcoholic; Janis was the third of six children."
Word on the net is that she's a Presbyterian, and she looks Polish or English to me.
Jew is a culture, has not been a race or religion for a long time. Karpinsky was a user that did NOT get to be a General on merit. All generals are promoted by Congress, she was promoted on nothing. Bush, Cheney and Karpinsky let the little girl from West Virginia do three years for holding a man on a leash, yet Karpinsky claimed ignorance, stupidity and molestation and was allowed to walk.
That's a good picture of her. Most of the ones I've seen, she's hideous and does look like Skeletor.
Abu Ghraib General: Torture Is Continuing; Order Came From Very Top General says she was deliberately kept out of the loop and scapegoated to protect higher ups The General commanding troops in Iraq whose career was ruined in the Abu Ghraib torture scandal, Janis Karpinski, appeared on the Alex Jones Show yesterday and made some amazing revelations. Army Reserve Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski will be reduced to the rank of colonel as a result of an Army Inspector General investigation into a scandal that tarnished the United States' reputation abroad and set in motion a string of high-level inquiries. Karpinski was the only general punished in the abuse of detainees at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. Her Army Reserve unit was in charge of the prison compound when Iraqi detainees were physically abused and sexually humiliated by military police and intelligence soldiers in the fall of 2003. Karpinski had previously admitted that rather than being an isolated incident under her command, the abuses were, "the result of conflicting orders and confused standards extending from the military commanders in Iraq all the way to the summit of civilian leadership in Washington." The General described how the abuses came to pass and how she was used as the scapegoat. "It started when we were assigned this new mission for detention operations. We were basically sold a false bill of goods, they told us that we were going to Baghdad, that we were going to receive support from the CJTF7, General Sanchez's headquarters, and from Ambassador Bremer and the Coalition Provisional Authority, that we would be working with these prison experts at the Coalition Provisional Authority to work towards restoring Iraqi Prisons to turn them back over to Iraqi control." She commented. "To arrive in Baghdad to discover that they had just begun to identify some locations, they had a list of 121 prisons that they wanted to restore and that they wanted us to run, and I told them I didn't have nearly that number of resources, I could run about fifteen, we settled on seventeen and they were responsible for providing the funding to restore and renovate those prisons." Karpinski revealed that the prisons were basically left as they had been by the Iraqis before the war. "...After those contractors had left, most of the contract work had been allegedly done and paid for was in fact never done. So we had MP's that were running these facilities, very very austere conditions, the prisons that were restored were done to the minimal standard. In one case the contractors put all the hinges on the inside of the doors and the prisoners took all the hinge pins out." Abu Ghraib was never intended to be a permanent prison or permanent detention center, it was used as an interim facility, largely because there was real estate inside the twenty foot high retaining wall for Karpinski to establish temporary camps. "If there was still a war going on, this would have been much like a prisoner of war camp. It was never an ideal location of any kind, for detention operations, let alone interrogation operations as it ultimately became." She commented. Karpinski went on to describe how military intelligence took over and became rooted within her own reservations. "The Military Intelligence Brigade Commander relocated to Abu Ghraib after two of his soldiers were killed in an RPG attack out at the prison facility. He was visiting one night, only intended to stay one or two nights and there was an attack and two of his soldiers were killed and shortly after that he decided to relocate inside Abu Ghraib." She said. "He had six interrogation teams shortly after this became about a dozen. These were military interrogation teams, soldiers who were serving as interrogators, they were following the regulations, their doctrine. We had a very small number of prisoners that needed to be interrogated, they were mostly Iraqi criminals, nonviolent crimes, looting, missing curfew, a weapon in the trunk of the car, whatever it may have been." Of course, the official army report on Abu Ghraib said that between seventy five and ninety percent were totally innocent and just hadn't had their papers in order. The General confirmed this: "That's correct and I believe that it remains so today because they are still doing these raids, these round ups where they will go out and target an individual, and whoever happens to be around that individual, they bring them all in. And then there is no avenue to release them, once they are tagged as security detainees, they fall into this relatively new and unsupervised category." Karpinski went on to say that the General in charge of the military interrogations at Abu Ghraib had the authority to do whatever he wanted and was not required to report any of his findings through her. She also stated that even though innocent detainees had been deemed of no further Intel use and were recommended to be released by their interrogators, the higher uppers read the riot act and started a pattern whereby no one was to be released and innocent people were kept locked up without trial or charges. The General went on to speak about the direct links to leading members of the Bush Administration: "We can trace back now, through documents that were released through court order, back to the original document, the one that Alberto Gonzales reviewed and discussed with the President of the United States, a departure from the Geneva Convention. These are not prisoners, these are terrorists and these techniques will be more effective." She said. "And then Secretary Rumsfeld putting his signature on a document authorizing more aggressive and harsher techniques during interrogation. That document goes over to Guantanamo Bay and over to Afghanistan, and it's used first in smaller groups and then it's used at Guantanamo Bay as a standard practice." The General also agreed that private contractors were brought in to over see the interrogations. The orders to use torture techniques can be traced back to the criminals in Government. "The orders came right from the top, filtered down from the secretary of defense, with the endorsement of the President, the Vice President, whatever advisors are surrounding them, filtered down through the Commanders in the field, these practices were not only endorsed, but were in use at Guantanamo bay and in locations in Afghanistan. And when General Miller visited Iraq he brought those techniques with him. And then he sent contract interrogators who had 'performed well' at Guantanamo Bay to Iraq as well." The General agreed that in effect torture seminars were taking place as Miller would teach how to make techniques of torture more effective. Karpinski also went on to explain how it came about that photographs and video of the torture were taken and how despite Congress having seen thousands of them, few of the persons responsible for authorizing the raping of women, the beating to death of innocent people, and the torture of minors have been brought to justice. "They needed a group of people to scapegoat and they must have believed naively that they were going to take the punishment, go to jail and be quiet and that they were never going to go out and hire their own attorneys and representatives for themselves and their own cases. They certainly believed that I was going to be quiet." General Karpinski was not even informed of charges against her until the investigation was under way and she received a late night e-mail from the Commander of the Criminal Investigation Commission. His agent on site at Abu Ghraib was the one who received the disc of pictures from the MP. So the Commanding officer of all the reopened prisons in Iraq was not informed about an ongoing criminal investigation into occurrences at the prisons. "They kept me out of the loop on purpose" Karpinski angrily asserted. Karpinski reiterated that it was almost inconceivable to have an operation taken over by Military intelligence at Abu Ghraib, a site in the middle of the Sunni Triangle, that was being bombarded with mortars every night. Further more the objective of military intelligence is completely different from that of a military police soldier. MP's know how to humanly treat detainees and they did so at every facility, the only breach was at Abu Ghraib under the control of the military intelligence. The MI would even hire former federal prison guards with bad records to undertake these operations. "The prisons experts that were hired, we were supposed to have about eighty of them down at the Coalition Provisional Authority, there was three and then one of them got fired, and these are US contractors, of course they didn't share the information about their previous positions with us." Karpinski said. The General went on to state that she saw many instances of decision makers being worried more about the political ramifications of their decisions back in Washington than the moral ramifications. She asserted that to disagree with Donald Rumsfeld would mean instant dismissal and everyone knew this. "There is no backbone any more that the US military is so famous for. Our leaders are now afraid. They are afraid to voice their opinions, and they are afraid to say, no you're wrong." The General said. Furthermore, all the data before the war, and the advice of all the big think tanks, suggested that more than 300, 000 troops would be needed to succeed. Of course all of this was ignored by the crazy Neo-Cons who are so convinced by their own convictions that they will not tolerate any one else's opinions or suggestions. Becoming emotional, the General asserted that the higher uppers have been attempting to run the war "from their lap top computers". They refused to go out and walk the ground in Baghdad that the soldiers are walking, but they had no trouble sending those under them out there WITHOUT the armored vehicles which were being used to protect their own spokesmen and their own headquarters. "The person who stopped the orders for additional armored equipment and armored vehicles is today a FOUR STAR GENERAL, and is in the Pentagon, and is serving as the acting chief of staff of the army." Karpinski angrily commented. "You see how it works, you play the game, you go along with whatever is being spun by the Neo-Cons or by the Pentagon and you get promoted. But the people who have the strength and the moral courage to stand up and say This is wrong, this is a lie, they are removed from their positions, they take their security clearance away and then they're out on the street." General Karpinski went on to say that the reason talk of banning torture has come to the forefront, even though there should be no need for discussion on the topic is because it IS STILL GOING ON. "There is overwhelming proof that torture is going on, that it has been directed and is likely continuing, even to this day. I don't want to believe it is but the statements from the people just returning from the theater give every indication that in fact it is, they still don't know where to draw the line." The General said. On the topic of why the torture is so extreme and degrading, the General suggested that the interrogators are getting a bizarre pleasure out of it. She gave the example of using naked menstruating women to break Muslim Iraqi men. "Who studied the Arab culture to come up with such an idea, this is insulting to anybody." She said. "And the fact that they are using female soldiers to conduct this demonstrates what they think the likely role of women in the army is." If you wrote a horror movie where the army was doing this it would be too unbelievable, yet this is happening in reality and the media has just accepted it as the norm now. It seems clear and the General agrees that we are seeing the formation of a cold blooded torture core with Iraq as the beta test. Iraq is often referred to as a "laboratory". The test is to see how the prisoners, the soldiers and the public react to this. "They are looking for the kind of people with this mind set, who can live with themselves whilst they are going forth with this global war on terrorism and trying to make a difference." The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
I note that the acerbic Daryl Bradford Smith of the French Connection makes similar remarks, again unsourced. I see where you're coming from, but I'd rather keep the facts clear when dealing with these terrible things. I give the woman credit for admitting that she was part of an American scandal and at least providing us with some inside information about it. We seem to know more about what happened because she is willing to come forward. She confirms what some of us were already suspecting, and what others already assumed. People who align themselves with these kinds of operations are at the sharp knife point of Zionism. But they may not realize that they themselves are converts. Just like the West Virginian lady who thought she was getting revenge for 9/11 (by serving) and became irresponsible while whopping it up with the boys, Karpinski claims she initially believed she was doing her duty. You've watched the propaganda unfolding. People believed 9/11 was pure terror, that we didn't have a chance, that we were stabbed in the back without a moment's warning. Many wanted to serve and help protect the world from terror. Even now, if you look at my thread with Cheney security rebuttal to Obama's speech this week, you can see that many Americans are still enthralled by the Zionist world view. I cut Karpinski some leeway based on that.
Cry me a river, This person was in charge. As Truman would say, the buck stopped right there. Whining after the fact when she was not "man" enough to stand up for the peons that went to prison is disgusting. Somewhere she brushes the off the girl in prison with these words...'its unfortunate". This person is claiming defense of..."I was too stupid to know what was going on". God, what a disgusting person...Everyone else from Bush to England is to blame, I didnt know anything"...
I understand your spite.
Good heavens, never confuse a refusal to believe a persons story as being spite. I suppose you already know Karpinski falsified her own records??????? This "lady" was arrested for shop lifting, found guilty and just happened to overlook it when she filled out her required records prior to promotion to General???? Not often a Colonel forgets they have been arrested. That the military could NOT cover up. Beware the person that points to the failure of everyone but themselves. By the way, there were several low ranking officers that bit the dust and walked the plank. I would like to hear from them how they were court martialed but the person in charge received a pension. I have a list somewhere of the total officers that were "scapegoated" that have said nothing.
Here is a list of men punished, Colonel....Admin Punishment 2 Lt Col...Admin Punishment 2 Lt Col...reprimands 3 Majors...letters of reprimand 3 Capts.....Court matialed 1 Capt......Less than Honorable discharge 5 Capts.....Letter of reprimand 2 1Lts.......Court martialed 2 1Lt.......Admin Punishment 1 2nd Lt....Admin Punishment 1 2nd Lt....less than honorable discharge 1 2nd Lr...Letter of reprimand 2 Chief Warrant officers...court matialed One may note that Karpinski was in charge as a General, was demoted one rank and given a pension, as one descends in rank the punishment becomes rather hard, and when we get into the enlisted ranks, they went to prison. Other than General Karpinski that walked and PFC England that went to prison for three years, there is no one here that knows any names other than those two, and to my knowledge they all took their punishment.
yeah, rather difficult to believe, isn't it?
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There was also a Captain that worked for Karpinski that brought the torture problem to her attention, when he did, she acknowledged that there were bad things going on that would be bring trouble down around their heads in the near future. I cannot recall the exact words or his name.
No, she was claiming that she was kept ignorant of what was going on. That is a horse of a different color. Having worn the uniform and "walked the walk" I know that such a claim is possibly true. That does not excuse her as she was in command and thus responsible for what went on in her command. That is a harsh reality of command. However, I do think she has a legitimate defense were it proven that information was intentionally withheld. Given that the Torturegators were performing acts which were criminal under military law and international conventions, to which the U.S. is a signatory, they would have had motivation to keep the knowledge of what they were doing very limited. Now the liklihood that she knew nothing is vanishingly small, but that she did not know the full extent of the depravity is credible. I've seen and heard of drug and smuggling rings going on without the top command being aware (the perps were eventually busted and sent to do hard time - I had to serve with some of them while they awaited sentencing), but this did not automatically make the C.O. complicit in the drugs or smuggling. The truth of the matter would appear to be that the orders for the torture were coming around her from far above her pay grade. I do agree that a few enlisted scapegoats were sent, deservedly, to prison, and a few officers had their sacred careers ruined, but that the authors of the orders for this criminality (Rumsfeld, Duhbya, and Chainey) walked.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
OI... See my number 23... The Captain said he brought the conditions to her attention, on the assumption that she was unaware. At that time she replied...SHE KNEW THERE WERE BAD THINGS GOING ON...that would cause them trouble in the near future. Then there was the matter of the arrest for stealing on an Air Force base, which was proven, and she denied that, it never happened, even though the paper work existed. She lied on her own personal records. She was demoted for lying and for dereliction of duty. If I can find the name of the Captain I will furnish so you might read his own statement. Dozens of military people were harshly punished, Karpinski walked. There was one other female involved besides Karpinski and England. It was a low ranking female soldier that was never involved in any way but DID witness the pile of naked men. For not reporting this she was court martialed and thrown out of the Army. Her name did surface also along with that of the Captain.
www.greeknewsonline.com/m...ews&file=article&si d=1428 OYSTER BAY, N.Y. -- Two Greek-Americans have been featured in news reports about the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal in Iraq. One of them taught interrogation techniques to military intelligence personnel; the other claims to not have been trained in the use of those techniques at all. The news of prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib wasn't a total surprise to U.S. Army Reserves Captain Edward Diamantis, who served directly under Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski in Iraq until his recent return to New York. Karpinski was suspended in January as an investigation into the abuse was initiated. According to a recent article in the New York Times, Diamantis was assigned to the brigade's headquarters east of the runways of Baghdad International Airport and made several journeys to the now-infamous prison. He first heard rumors in January of the mistreatments uncovered at Abu Ghraib, and there were indications of trouble ahead in a conversation he had with Karpinski later in the winter. Diamantis told the Times that Karpinski said something "very, very bad" was occurring in the prison and "some very, very stupid people…are going to bring some stuff down on our heads." --snip--
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Thanks for the research.
Thanks... Most likely it was the Times original story that I read. That is what happens when one gets olde, one remembers just enough to retain the original thrust. Time has now elapsed and Karpinski and her MSM friends know the public (me) has forgotten most of the salient details. That person has no shame. One thing I did run across looking for the Captain...over the years, Karpinski did make well over 100 parachute jumps and of course collected the large monthly incentive pay that went with it. I have to wonder why on earth this happened. She was going to parachute into Russia or China, not likely and last I knew females not allowed in combat.
Excellent job of researching and an even better result at discovering the truth.
Sabrina D. Harman (born January 5, 1978, Lorton, Virginia) is a former United States Army reservist, one of several felons convicted by the U.S. Army in connection with the 2003-2004 Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal in Baghdad, Iraq during and after the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Harman, with other soldiers, was tried for allowing and inflicting sexual, physical, and psychological abuse of Iraqi prisoners of war. Harman held the rank of specialist in the 372nd Military Police company during her tour of duty in Iraq. She was sentenced to six months in prison and a bad conduct discharge.
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This may be the one I recall. Two things come to mind. Can anyone imagine what would have happened to the young lady had she actually blown the whistle????? The military would have crushed her. Secondly if I recall correctly it was...ENLISTED...people that passed around the photos and finally brought down Karpinski and the rest. To my knowledge not one officer made any attempt to rectify the situation, not one.
That would seem to indicate a couple of things: 1. She had some idea of the level of abuse long before it was made public. 2. That she knew that it was coming from above and dare not interfere.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Correct. What it says about the Officer Corpse is not flattering. However, as an ex-enlisted man I already knew that the expression "Duty, Honor, Country" was a load of hooey as regards MOST officers. Most Officers are concerned about one thing and one thing only: The next Pay Grade. The ratio of actual competent officers was about 1 in 5. The number who were truly honorable i.e., put Duty and Honor above career, was much much much smaller. I have very little respect for most officers as they are largely snooty, self centered, egos looking out only for number one. If they can pin something on an enlisted man, that was their responsibility, they can be counted upon to do so. The movie idol "Officer and Gentleman" is just that - Hollywood B.S. totally detached from reality. In too many cases it should be "An Officer and a Prick".
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
I know. Those damned Eskimos.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" SOP in all industries.
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I served during Korean thing with a good friend. When the war was over, I was out of there but he stayed, against my advice. I warned him time and again he would not be a part of the military political system and that he would be wasting his life for nothing. He stayed. During Vietnam he flew 162 missions, never got above Major and when the war started winding down he was thrown out. He was never the same person afterwords. If you take time to view this url, it Is Don and the photo to the left is his wife. Don passed on years ago and I intend to call her tomorrow. We were young together. http://www.shaw.af.mil/news/story_media.asp?id=123129926
how were you able to find this, Cyni? The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
The Officer Corps is a classic "Old Boys Club". That was one of the things I noticed with enlisted men who went into the various limited officer programs. There were limits built into the programs to prevent the scum from getting above O-5 (and it was rare for them to get that high). Admiral Jeremy Boorda was only the second former enlisted man in Naval History earn 4 Stars. No, unless you are a "Cake Eater" your options are truly limited. I noticed that the best and the brightest of the junior officers figured that one out pretty quickly and were gone as soon as they had completed their minimum commitment. (I still remember one we called "Battle Ready Bob" - he just, for some strange reason, kept leaving his qualifications checksheet back in his quarters - despite being extremely competent - the most competent of all the j.o.'s at our command at the time.) The same applies to most of the exceptionally bright enlisted men I knew - most served one, no more than two, hitches and were gone. One of the dirty secrets of military training and retention is that most of best technical people will get all their schools, serve their obligation and disappear. I wrote an essay when I returned to college entitled - "Of Officers and Men" - I mentioned that very point and I poured my bitterness out on paper. It was downright cathartic. However, I do still have a "gimlet eye" as regards the realities of the military.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
I had mislaid the phone number for Dons widow so went to google. There are other stories about him and Donald Jr. who is a well known Protestant minister. I have phone numbers written all over on notes posted in front of me but not a name on any. One I believe is yours because I did write 4um beside it. Don flew jets for years but when the dirty and very dangerous job needed to be done in Vietnam, it was he and other "working class Americans" that did them. The political section did the flying like McKooK. A few days ago we were discussing how and why young Americans came into the military. We were not patriotic at all, it was just to avoid the infantry. Don stayed and it was unfortunate but he was used and forced out. So all of us were there for whatever reason, victims of circumstance perhaps.
Indeed and I would add, "funded by tax dollars". Of my friends that stayed after WW2 and Korea, one made it to Major General on merit, then he was forced out. Two made it to Colonel, the usual last stop and then they were thrown out. Don made it to Major. Dons widow told me that when he left the Air Force he was never the same man. Of all of them I was the only one that hated the military from day one, I understood and saw the bad side, the others refused to believe, until too late. My view took no intelligence, just inbred cynicism, which I admit to with my name. I was also a "cynical young man".
I've been by Fort Leonard Wood in south-central Missouri a lot, and the first time I went by it I was really surprised. Ringing this military base are cheap bars, pawnshops, check-cashing places, pornography, and whores. I thought, this is the military life? I wouldn't send my son into this cesspool. That was when I understood why one of my uncles, who was drafted, cursed a recruiter who called his son on the phone.
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General Ricardo Sanchez
Former CIA Director George Tenet.
#5. To: lodwick, Cynicom, christine (#3)
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One year she was a U.S. Army officer, and the next she was an outcast.
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#10. To: Cynicom (#8)
Karpinsky is a Jew dyke that should have gone to prison.
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Dancing Turtles and Bouncing Boobs...that's Turtle Island.
#16. To: Deasy, Cynicom, Turtle (#13)
Her story~
#17. To: Cynicom, christine (#14)
Jew is a culture, has not been a race or religion for a long time.
#18. To: christine, Deasy (#16)
The General described how the abuses came to pass and how she was used as the scapegoat.
#19. To: Cynicom (#18)
#20. To: Deasy, christine (#19)
Spite????
#21. To: Deasy, Christine (#19)
#22. To: Cynicom (#18)
This person is claiming defense of..."I was too stupid to know what was going on".
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#24. To: Cynicom, christine, Deasy (#18)
This person is claiming defense of..."I was too stupid to know what was going on".
#25. To: Original_Intent (#24)
No, she was claiming that she was kept ignorant of what was going on
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#30. To: Cynicom (#25)
There was one other female involved besides Karpinski and England.
#31. To: christine (#30)
Harman, with other soldiers, was tried for allowing
#32. To: christine, Cynicom, Deasy, all (#26)
Diamantis told the Times that Karpinski said something "very, very bad" was occurring in the prison and "some very, very stupid people…are going to bring some stuff down on our heads."
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Secondly if I recall correctly it was...ENLISTED...people that passed around the photos and finally brought down Karpinski and the rest. To my knowledge not one officer made any attempt to rectify the situation, not one.
#34. To: Deasy (#5)
At the prison: there were dozens and dozens of contractor-interrogators, and they knew Arabic. Which group of people know Arabic and are willing to terrorize Arabs?
#35. To: Original_Intent (#33)
Most Officers are concerned about one thing and one thing only: The next Pay Grade.
#36. To: Original_Intent, Christine, Deasy, Lodwick, Jethro tull, All (#33)
Correct. What it says about the Officer Corpse is not flattering
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#38. To: Cynicom, christine (#36)
I served during Korean thing with a good friend. When the war was over, I was out of there but he stayed, against my advice. I warned him time and again he would not be a part of the military political system and that he would be wasting his life for nothing.
#39. To: christine (#37)
how were you able to find this, Cyni?
#40. To: Original_Intent, Christine (#38)
The Officer Corps is a classic "Old Boys Club".
#41. To: Cynicom (#40)
hated the military
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