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Title: ANOTHER RIGHT WING BLOGGER VISITED BY SECRET SERVICE FOR QUESTIONING OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE
Source: JagHunters
URL Source: http://jaghunters.blogspot.com/
Published: May 27, 2009
Author: JagHunters
Post Date: 2009-05-27 12:13:41 by HAPPY2BME-4UM
Keywords: None
Views: 292
Comments: 21

SECRET SERVICE IN GEORGIA: CARL SWENSSEN'S UPDATE

Carl writes:

"They approached me because they were instructed to someone in U.S. Attorney's office for Georgia's Central District. I can only assume it came from U.S, Attorney Wood.

"No names were given but badges were flashed and they were who they said they were.

"When I asked their names they asked for what purpose and I clearly stated I would post them on my web site. They both refused and I could have asked them to leave at that point but chose not to and I'm glad I didn't.

"We engaged in the constitutional definition of the term Natural Born and they were woefully ill prepared for my responses.

"The Secret Service special agents cited Article II Section I and said that there was gray area concerning the definition of Natural Born Citizen.

"I quickly showed them the definition as printed in the Laws of Nations and more specifically...Thomas Jefferson's definition posted on my web site.

"They were taken aback by my firm grip on the meaning and had to change course.

"One asked me how many favorable responses I had received from the Judges and I responded none at which point he said if I had tried that many times why didn't I just give up.

"I then asked if they had taken the oath to the Constitution and they agreed they had.

"I then reminded them that we now have Domestic enemies and asked what they planned to do about it. The sound of crickets was deafening. I reminded them that I was exercising my rights under the Constitution and they agreed I have every right to do so and furthermore I can continue doing this for as long as I wish.

"Their halfhearted attempt to dissuade me went nowhere so they finally cut to the chase.

"They were called out to make sure there was not a credible threat to the [impostor] president and I assured them that what all of us are doing is the last peaceful means of redress.

'What if that doesn't happen they asked?'

"I answered not and told them this was my focus as it is with thousands of others across the country and that I am certain I/we will be successful.

"They left asking just one question.

'If someone were to tell me they intended to do the [impostor] president harm, would I report it?'

"I respond in the affirmative.

"What I took away from that meeting was that these agents didn't know the Constitution as I do and they had some soul searching to do.

"I am proud to be on their radar.

"They specifically asked me not to give out their names for fear of reprisal.

I will honor that."

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#6. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#0)

If this exchange actually happened, our side is in wonderful shape. Diversity, affirmative action and gender norming appears to have rendered government employees to the intellectual level of mini-mart employees.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-05-27   12:42:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Jethro Tull (#6)

Diversity, affirmative action and gender norming appears to have rendered government employees to the intellectual level of mini-mart employees.

There was a time when a man had self-respect and dignity, the kind that should have resulted in the mass resignation of thousands of commissioned military officers as well as badge-wearing/gun-toting government employees upon Obummers 'election'. Now, they only think about their paycheck and their pension and to hell with core values.

X-15  posted on  2009-05-27   13:07:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: X-15 (#9)

If these "agents" were truly concerned about the president, they'd begin their interviews at the head of the snake. The CIA has such a rich history.

CIA Had Hit List of 58 Guatemalans in the 1950s; Agency Reveals Details of Covert Action Against President Arbenz, Overthrown but Not Killed

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CIA's history of political assassinations

The CIA considered assassinating Guatemalan leaders more than 40 years ago, reviewing a list of 58 targets and training some gunmen for the job, but the killings were not carried out, the agency said yesterday.

The disclosure came as the CIA announced the release of 1,400 pages of once-classified records describing a covert action that caused the collapse of the government of Guatemalan President Jacobo Arbenz in June 1954. Arbenz fled to Cuba and eventually into exile in Mexico.

Although most details of the Guatemalan operation have been well known for years, yesterday's release of documents was the first time that the CIA disclosed that assassinations had been contemplated. Agency officials termed the assassination material "the most sensitive in the collection" that was released to the National Archives for public review.

The Eisenhower administration acted against Arbenz because he was viewed as a leftist. "There was considerable communist influence within his government, giving rise to fears that Guatemala could become a Soviet client state," a CIA official said.

From first planning sessions in 1952 during the final year of the Truman administration, assassination "as a substitute for, or in combination with" paramilitary operations was considered, the agency said. "Discussions of assassination took place at the working level but also involved senior agency officials and, on several occasions, State Department officials as well," the agency said in a summary paper.

In the end, as previously reported, a paramilitary force of exiled Guatemalans was trained and sent into the country to create pressure on Arbenz and "persuade military leaders inside the government to cooperate in a coup against Arbenz," the agency said.

The military action was coordinated with a propaganda campaign against Arbenz; two weeks after the invasion he resigned and left the country.

In the 1960s, the agency undertook other covert actions that included assassination attempts, including against Cuban President Fidel Castro, Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba of the Belgian Congo and the Dominican Republic's dictator, Rafael Trujillo. The Castro efforts failed; and although Lumumba died in a plane crash and Trujillo was shot, a 1975 congressional investigation found that neither death was a result of the CIA's actions.

The Guatemala assassination material was not made available to Capitol Hill investigators during the 1975 House and Senate hearings on the agency and was only discovered in 1979, the agency said.

However, when the American public learned in 1973 that the CIA had considered assassination as a policy, then-CIA Director William E. Colby prohibited further agency involvement in such action. In 1976, then-President Gerald R. Ford issued an executive order banning any U.S. government employee from involvement in assassination. That prohibition, expanded by President Jimmy Carter, remains in effect today.

Arguments still take place within the agency about the merits of the current policy, primarily because it has kept planners from undertaking covert operations that may as a side effect lead to some killings, according to retired and active agency officers. One official pointed to the Bush administration's military invasion of Panama to capture that country's dictator, Manuel Antonio Noriega, which took place after agency officials said a covert action to seize him might lead to his assassination.

The Associated Press added:

The documents released yesterday indicate that exiled rebel leader Castillo Armas, who took over after the fall of Arbenz, gave the CIA the list of 58 individuals to be assassinated. One CIA official reviewing the proposal suggested "even a smaller number, say 20, would be sufficient."

In March 1954, the CIA drew up criteria for assassination targets: high government and organization leaders "irrevocably implicated in Communist doctrine and policy"; "out and out proven Communist leaders"; or people in key government and military positions of tactical importance "whose removal for psychological, organizational or other reasons is mandatory for the success of military action."

In 1953, the CIA included plans for "K" groups, or assassin teams, to work with sabotage groups, and rebels began training assassins. CIA headquarters in Washington sent 20 silencers for .22-caliber rifles to the rebel killers training in Honduras, said a Jan. 11, 1954, cable.

In the spring of 1954, CIA officers made official requests to the State Department to implement assassinations. No cabled replies were found.

Three weeks before President Arbenz resigned, a CIA field officer met with officials in Washington to submit the political assassination plan in person. It was ruled out "at least for the immediate future," according to a once-classified CIA history of the events that was written in 1995.

Still, upon returning to Guatemala, the official told his CIA staff the consensus in Washington was, "Arbenz must go; how does not matter."

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-05-27   13:24:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#14. To: Jethro Tull, X-15, muddog, christine, Original_Intent, James Deffenbach, lodwick, Itistoolate (#13)

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2009-05-27 13:27:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull (#13)

From first planning sessions in 1952

I believe the first coup the CIA actually pulled off was in 1953, the overthrow of Mossadeq in Iran.

Then it was open season around the world.

So by the time the US overthrew Diem in Vietnam in 1963, they had had a lot of practice.

MUDDOG  posted on  2009-05-27 15:46:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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