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Title: Bush's Shocking Biblical Prophecy Emerges: God Wants to "Erase" Mid-East Enemies "Before a New Age Begins"
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Published: May 27, 2009
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Bush's Shocking Biblical Prophecy Emerges: God Wants to "Erase" Mid-East Enemies "Before a New Age Begins" By Clive Hamilton, CounterPunch. Posted May 25, 2009. Bush explained to French Pres. Chirac that the Biblical creatures Gog and Magog were at work in the Mid-East and must be defeated. Tools email EMAIL print PRINT 216 COMMENTS Share and save this post: Share on Facebook AlterNet Social Networks: follow us on twitter find us on Facebook Also in Politics A Redneck View of Obama's Presidency Joe Bageant Not in 'Our Town': San Franciscans Take to the Streets After Proposition 8 Decision [With Photo Slideshow] Byard Duncan Obama Picks Sotomayor for Supreme Court Slot John Byrne Yes He Can, But Will He? 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The answer may lie in an alarming story about George Bush's Christian millenarian beliefs that has yet to come to light. In 2003 while lobbying leaders to put together the Coalition of the Willing, President Bush spoke to France's President Jacques Chirac. Bush wove a story about how the Biblical creatures Gog and Magog were at work in the Middle East and how they must be defeated. In Genesis and Ezekiel Gog and Magog are forces of the Apocalypse who are prophesied to come out of the north and destroy Israel unless stopped. The Book of Revelation took up the Old Testament prophesy: "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them." Bush believed the time had now come for that battle, telling Chirac: "This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people's enemies before a New Age begins". The story of the conversation emerged only because the Elyse Palace, baffled by Bush's words, sought advice from Thomas Romer, a professor of theology at the University of Lausanne. Four years later, Romer gave an account in the September 2007 issue of the university's review, Allez savoir. The article apparently went unnoticed, although it was referred to in a French newspaper. The story has now been confirmed by Chirac himself in a new book, published in France in March, by journalist Jean Claude Maurice. Chirac is said to have been stupefied and disturbed by Bush's invocation of Biblical prophesy to justify the war in Iraq and "wondered how someone could be so superficial and fanatical in their beliefs". In the same year he spoke to Chirac, Bush had reportedly said to the Palestinian foreign minister that he was on "a mission from God" in launching the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and was receiving commands from the Lord. There can be little doubt now that President Bush's reason for launching the war in Iraq was, for him, fundamentally religious. He was driven by his belief that the attack on Saddam's Iraq was the fulfilment of a Biblical prophesy in which he had been chosen to serve as the instrument of the Lord. Many thousands of Americans and Iraqis have died in the campaign to defeat Gog and Magog. That the US President saw himself as the vehicle of God whose duty was to prevent the Apocalypse can only inflame suspicions across the Middle East that the United States is on a crusade against Islam. There is a curious coda to this story. While a senior at Yale University George W. Bush was a member of the exclusive and secretive Skull & Bones society. His father, George H.W. Bush had also been a "Bonesman", as indeed had his father. Skull & Bones' initiates are assigned or take on nicknames. And what was George Bush Senior's nickname? "Magog". Digg!
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Well it does fit.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" The cocaine and booze hollowed out his brain, and this stuff filled up the holes.
no true Christian would ever be a member of S&B. the bushes are luciferians.
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
I'd laugh but it's too sad.
LOL...sheeesh.
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, I agree. And if someone became a member of that but then actually had a change of heart later in life and truly became a Christian they would give up their membership in it and denounce it. Neither Bush did either so far as I know.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Conspiracy Too Monstrous To Conceive The world is in the malignant grip of a satanic cult. People recoil at the suggestion but proof stares us in the face every day. George W. Bush, President of the "Free World" is a member of "Skull and Bones" a chapter of the Illuminati order. His father, grandfather and uncle are also members. In his autobiography, "A Charge to Keep" Bush writes, "My senior year I joined Skull and Bones, a secret society so secret I can't say anything more." In Aug. 2000 he said his "heritage is part of who I am." Isn't this a conflict of interest? Hello! Can a man hold any public office, let alone the most important, and belong to a "secret society"? If this society were benign, would it have to be secret? What a secret society it is! The Illuminati is the hidden hand behind all modern cataclysms, including the French and Russian Revolutions, Communism, the Depression and Nazism. To affect the course of history only takes money. The people behind the Illuminati have plenty. It's time we faced reality. Murphy's Law applies to humanity. "If it can go wrong, it will." It has. The world is ruled by a satanic cult. THE ILLUMINATI AND THE SKULL & BONES The Illuminati originates in the Jewish Kabala, Babylonian mystery cults, the Templars, Freemasons and assorted interests dedicated to Satan worship and absolute power. On May 1 1776, Adam Weishaupt, a professor at the University of Inglestadt in Germany, founded "The Order of the Illuminati." Many people believe Weishaupt was sponsored by Prince William of Hesse Casel and his banker Meyer Amschel Rothschild, the wealthiest man in the world. The Illuminati's goal was to destroy Western Civilization and to erect a new world order ruled by them. Its method was to dissolve all social ties (employer, nation, religion, race, family) by exploiting social discontent and promising a golden age of "human brotherhood." This is now called "globalization." Attracted by the promise of power and change, people served without realizing who or what they were supporting. Weishaupt urged his followers to "practise the art of counterfeit." New recruits were told the Illuminati expressed the original spirit of Christianity. Weishaupt marvelled that even churchmen could be gulled. "Oh! Men, of what cannot you be persuaded?" (Nesta Webster, World Revolution, 1921, p. 27) The Illuminati had a hand in every so-called "progressive" movement of the past 200 years. Women, said Weishaupt, were to be enlisted with "hints of emancipation." They "can all be led toward change by vanity, curiosity, sensuality and inclination." (Webster, 29) William Huntington, an American who had studied in Germany, founded the "Skull and Bones" (Chapter 322 of the Bavarian Illuminati) at Yale University in 1832. The members wore a death's head on their chests and were sworn to secrecy on pain of death. "The Order" became the preserve of the leading New England families, many wealthy from the Opium trade. These include the Whitneys, Tafts, Buckleys, Lowells, Sloans, Coffins, and Harrimans. The Bush family was dependent on these interests. For over 150 years, "Bonesmen" have run the world from positions in banking, intelligence, media, law and government. Members included Presidential handler Averell Harriman, anti war leader William Sloan Coffin, Time-Life magnate Henry Luce, Truman war secretary Henry Stimson (responsible for dropping the atomic bomb), pseudo conservative William F. Buckley and many more. "THE BATTLE IS NOT BETWEEN LEFT AND RIGHT" In the 1960's British-born Dr. Anthony Sutton was a Fellow at Stanford's Hoover Institute when he discovered that, in spite of the Cold War, the US was supplying the USSR with its technology, including weapons used against American soldiers in Vietnam. Sutton dug deeper and discovered that Wall Street had sponsored both the Bolshevik Revolution and the rise of Nazi Germany. The resulting books which are on line cost Dr. Sutton his academic career. In 1983, Dr. Sutton received a list of Skull and Bones members and immediately recognized the names of many men who controlled American policy. He published a book entitled "America's Secret Establishment: An Introduction to the Order of Skull and Bones" (1986). He updated and republished this book just before his death last June at age 77. Here are some of his conclusions. "The Order" is " a purely American phenomenon with German origin." Dr. Sutton compares it to the Round Table, Cecil Rhodes' secret society at Oxford also known as "The Group." The American and British entities consist of 20-30 dynastic families each. Jewish banking interests connect them. "The links between 'The Order' and Britain go through Lazard Freres and the private merchant banks... 'The Group' links to the Jewish equivalent through the Rothschilds in Britain... 'The Order' in the US links to the Guggenheim, Schiff and Warburg families." (23) As Dr. Sutton notes, the "Order" had definite anti Semitic tendencies but by the 1960's, many Jewish names started to appear among the 15 annual inductees. See list of Skull and Bones members. Dr. Sutton believes the "left" versus "right" split is fraudulent and used to control the debate and condition citizens to think along certain lines. Left- wing magazines like the "The Nation" and "The New Republic" and right-wing magazines like "The National Review were "artificially set up." The former were financed by Whitney money while the latter by Buckley. Both are "The Order." Dr. Sutton states: "Sooner or later people will wake up. First we have to dump the trap of right and left. This is a Hegelian trap to divide and control. The battle is not between right and left; it is between us and them." Similarly, in the international field left and right political structures are artificially constructed and collapsed in the drive for one-world synthesis, i.e. authoritarian socialism controlled by monopoly capital. College textbooks present war and revolution as accidental results of conflicting forces. This is nonsense, says Dr. Sutton. They are created and financed by Wall Street to create a new world order. But you won't read this in history books. "Our Western history is every bit as distorted, censored and largely useless as that of Hitler's Germany or the Soviet Union or Communist China..." (122) Dr. Sutton believes The Order has many weaknesses resulting from an inbred gene pool, a shallow power base and a limited worldview. In any future conflict between the authoritarian state and the individual, he believes opposition will take "a million forms." " No one is going to create the anti-The Order movement. That would be foolish and unnecessary. It could be infiltrated, bought off, or diverted all too easily. Why play by the rules set by the enemy? The movement that will topple The Order will be extremely simple and most effective. It will be ten thousand or a million Americans who come to the conclusion that they don't want the State to be boss, that they prefer to live under the protection of the Constitution. They will make their own independent decision to thwart The Order and it will take ten thousand or a million forms." (55) COGNITIVE DISSONANCE Bizarre as it sounds, our world is the product of a multi generational satanic conspiracy. (Believe me I would give everything I own to be wrong.) When we compare this disturbing conclusion with the comforting picture purveyed by Illuminati controlled-mass media and education, we experience "cognitive dissonance," or psychological stress. This is usually resolved by evading reality, dismissing it as "conspiracy theory." One reader, stirring in his sleep, wrote: "You sir are T-TOTALLY the biggest story teller I have ever heard. If I ever get really bored I will read some of your concockions." In fact, conspiracy is very plausible. People who control a grossly disproportionate share of the world's wealth will take measures to consolidate their position. They will destabilize the public by inciting a series of wars and other mind-boggling hoaxes (communism, lesbian feminism, multiculturalism). They will subvert faith in a loving God and promote violence and depravity (Satan) instead. The government-inspired 9-11 atrocity proves a satanic cult controls the US. Bush and his accomplices are criminals, traitors and impostors. But don't look to the Democrats for salvation. Leading contender Sen. John Kerry is also Skull and Bones (Class of 1966.) The "War on Terror" is obviously designed to forestall domestic opposition and condition people to further subjugation and new world order. What can we do? Antony Sutton had it right when he said opposition should be individual in character. It should "take ten thousand or a million forms."
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
Great post, christine.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. George Bush is no Christian.
There is a curious coda to this story. While a senior at Yale University George W. Bush was a member of the exclusive and secretive Skull & Bones society. His father, George H.W. Bush had also been a "Bonesman", as indeed had his father. Skull & Bones' initiates are assigned or take on nicknames. And what was George Bush Senior's nickname? "Magog". Sheesh. There is another curious coda to this story. George W. Bush is the CREATURE that "Israel" essentially addressed as GOG!!! [Is He God's INSTRUMENT? I thought so....time will tell...who knows....maybe this has something to do with all that land he bought in Paraguay, and all those troops and planes he was supposed to abscond with at taxpayers' expense.] Gog, Magog, and the Scroll of Bush - Jewish Sanhedrin Honors George W. Bush as Chief Prince of Meshech and Tubal http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=77897 GWBush follows in his father's footsteps....they're all in it together: Who's Who in Prophecy John Flipse Walvoord, writer, professor, theologian, apologist, seminary president, and definer of contemporary pretribulational premillenialism, was born on May 1, 1910 and raised in Sheboygan, Wisconsin. John's father, John Garrett Walvoord, was a schoolteacher as well as an elder and Sunday School Superintendent at the First Presbyterian Church. Both of Walvoord's parents valued education and placed supreme importance on maintaining a Christian home. John F. Walvoord died on December 20, 2002, at the age of 92. No doubt, as one of America's foremost theologians and prophecy experts, Walvoord had hoped to see Jesus descend with the sound of a trumpet to gather His faithful unto Himself, in the rapture. For John F. Walvoord, however, that was not to be the case. He joined his son Timothy, who died in a tragic car accident, on June 22, 1979, in the glorious presence of His Savior and Lord, Jesus Christ. His education afforded him a vast array of degrees and accomplishments. Among them are A.B. and D.D. degrees from Wheaton College; an A.M. degree, in Philosophy, from Texas Christian University; a Th.B., Th.M, and a Th.D., from Dallas Theological Seminary; and an Litt.D. from Liberty Baptist Seminary. He excelled in academics and athletics"football, baseball and track"and was a distinguished member of a state championship debate team. He was also the president of Dallas Theological Seminary's Christian Endeavor because of his strong commitment to foreign missions. Walvoord was the Professor of Systematic Theology at Dallas Theological Seminary for over fifty years. He also served as the President of the seminary from 1953 to1986. He then became Chancellor until 2001 when he retired, becoming Chancellor emeritus. Under his leadership, the Seminary more than quadrupled in students and doubled in degree programs. Among his other leadership achievements were balancing the budget, relieving the debt, and embarking on building programs and property acquisitions that helped launch the seminary into contemporary society. During this time, Walvoord also became one of this country's leading conservative theologians, helping to define the contemporary study of the end-times. However, it is necessary to note that as his studies progressed, at times his thinking changed. For example, in Walvoord's early writings, it is apparent that he viewed Israel and the church as being two separate and distinct peoples of God, each requiring separate covenants. More recently, however, he came to accept that while the peoples are separate and completely distinct, there is only one covenant with two fulfillments. The two men who most influenced Walvoord, as he developed as a thinker, were Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first President of Dallas Theological Seminary, and C.I. Scofield of the Scofield Reference Bible. Walvoord actually served on the committee to produce the New Scofield Reference Bible (1967). While he respected and valued the thinking of both of these men, Walvoord differed with them at times and developed his own ideas. Walvoord wrote and published more than thirty books with more than three million copies in print. His New York Times bestseller, **** "Armageddon, Oil and the Middle East Crisis", sold over 1.5 million copies. Originally written in 1973, it was revised in January of 1991 "before the Gulf war. *** When Desert Storm was still in its infancy, John received a request from the White House for a copy of the book. Members of President Bush's staff were reading it together and apparently grasping the importance of Biblical prophecy and how it relates to this present day. It is interesting to note that the revision of the book, "Armageddon, Oil and the Middle East Crisis" was mainly due to the rapidly changing global landscape. The first edition quickly became outdated as the prophetic timeline continued to advance. Some of the topical additions made in the revision include: Changing Alignment of Europe and the End of the Cold War, Revival of Roman Empire, Camp David Accords, Invasion of Lebanon, New Islamic Republic of Iran, Saddam Hussein Seizes Power in Iraq, Iraq's move to absorb Kuwait"and so much more. I am sure that, were Walvoord still alive, he would be ready to revise once again! Another well-known book in Walvoord's repertoire is "The Rapture Question." This book is also a re-edition. It thoroughly examines the four main views of the church's role in the tribulation: partial rapturism, pre-tribulationism, mid-tribulationism, and post-tribulationism. He places most of his emphasis on the debate between pre-tribulationism and post-tribulationism with himself obviously in agreement with pre-tribulationists. He finishes the book with 50 poignant arguments supporting the pre-tribulational viewpoint. Most recently, Walvoord authored a new analysis of prophecy and current events, titled, Prophecy in the New Millennium: A Fresh Look at Future Events (2001). In this book, he discusses the prophecies that were fulfilled in the Twentieth Century, the coming Rapture, the prophecies to be fulfilled in the new millennium, the United States of Europe and its role in the coming days, Israel and her millennial role, the Antichrist, the Day of the Lord and the new Heaven and Earth. Also included in Walvoord's cache of writings are: The Doctrine of the Holy Spirit (1943, 1954, 1958); The Return of the Lord (1955); The Thessalonian Epistles (1956); The Rapture Question (1957, 1979); The Millennial Kingdom (1959); To Live is Christ: An Exposition of the Epistle of Paul to the Philippians (1961, 1971); Israel in Prophecy (1962); Truth for Today (1963); The Church in Prophecy (1964); The Nations in Prophecy (1967, three were then published together as Israel, the Nations and the Church in Prophecy, in 1988); The Revelation of Jesus Christ (1966); Jesus Christ our Lord (1969); Daniel, the Key to Prophetic Revelation (1971); The Holy Spirit at Work Today (1973); Matthew: Thy Kingdom Come (1974); Armageddon, Oil and the Middle East Crisis (1974, 1990); The Blessed Hope and the Tribulation (1976); The Prophecy Knowledge Handbook (1990"retitled in 1999 as Every Prophecy of the Bible); Major Bible Prophecies (1991); The Final Drama,14 Keys to Understanding the Prophetic Scriptures (1993, 1997); End Times, An Explanation of World Events in Biblical Prophecy (1998); and Prophecy in the New Millennium: A Fresh Look at Future Events (2001). It seems appropriate to quote some of Walvoord's own words, from his book, "Armageddon, Oil and the Middle East Crisis." The world today is like a stage being set for a great drama. The major actors are already in the wings waiting for their moment in history. The main stage props are already in place. The prophetic play is about to begin" All the necessary historical developments have already taken place'since the stage is set for this dramatic climax of the age, it must mean that Christ's coming for His own is very near. If there ever was an hour when men should consider their personal relationship to Jesus Christ, it is today. God is saying to this generation: "Prepare for the coming of the Lord." By: Nicole Balnius http://www.raptureready.com/who/John_Walvoord.html [EDIT: When Desert Storm was still in its infancy, John received a request from the White House for a copy of the book. Members of President Bush's staff were reading it together and apparently grasping the importance of Biblical prophecy and how it relates to this present day. From another website's cache : "....John received a call from The White House requesting a copy. Apparently the Oval Office understood the significance of biblical prophecy in relation to events in the Middle East because the next day, the White House called back requesting more copies. Members of President George H.W. Bush`s White House Staff were reading it together...." www.walvoordhistory.com/John%20F.%20Walvoord.html ("SERVICE UNAVAILABLE") No separation of "church and state" [or rather, SYNAGOGUE and state] there.] The Global Elite MANUFACTURE events to "fulfill" their idea of prophecy that would, contrary to the Word of God, make the Synagogue of Satan kings of the world. However God said He would have them in derision....and catch them in their craftiness.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
LOL...sheeesh. She's 100% correct, Mud. It's common knowledge outside of the feckless faux "Christian community" in ameriKa. The two men who most influenced Walvoord, as he developed as a thinker, were Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first President of Dallas Theological Seminary, and C.I. Scofield of the Scofield Reference Bible. Walvoord actually served on the committee to produce the New Scofield Reference Bible (1967).... The Global Elite MANUFACTURE events to "fulfill" their idea of prophecy that would, contrary to the Word of God, make the Synagogue of Satan kings of the world. However God said He would have them in derision....and catch them in their craftiness. blast from the past..... Global Elite Promoting ‘End Times’ Myth Television gurus preaching a fraudulent “end times” and “last days” theory popularized in the 19th century are helping lay the groundwork for world government by corralling good Christians into supporting a doctrine that has no Biblical basis. True Christian fundamentalism, based on the teachings of the Bible takes the Bible at its word and accepts that Christ accomplished all that he intended to do while on Earth and that His kingdom is here and is within you. That’s the powerful thesis put forth by John Anderson, producer of the video The Last Days. On Dec. 16, Anderson made a return appearance on Radio Free America (RFA), the weekly call-in talk forum sponsored by American Free Press with host Tom Valentine. (A transcript of Anderson’s first appearance on RFA was published in AFP’s issue No. 19.) What follows is an edited transcript of the interview. Comments by Valentine are in boldface. Anderson’s responses are in regular text. The person responsible for popularizing this clap-trap that the “end times” and “last days” are coming was a shady character named Cyrus I. Scofield. That’s true, but Scofield was not the originator. Scofield got these false teachings from John Darby, who got it from Edward Irving and Margaret McDonald, a 14-year-old girl who had a dream and began writing letters to Irving describing what she thought was going to happen. Darby was one of the Plymouth Brethren and when Scofield got hold of what Darby and others were teaching, he produced the Scofield Bible in 1909 and there have been many revisions of it since then. Although they never say “who” revised Scofield’s work. Researchers have said that it was a powerful New York attorney, Samuel Untermyer, who was instrumental in arranging for the Oxford Press, which was controlled by the Rothschild banking family, patrons of the Zionist movement, to publish the Scofield “bible.” Students of history recall that Untermyer, who was a major player in the Zionist movement, was the one who blackmailed President Woodrow Wilson with the love letters that Wilson sent to his mistress, a certain Mrs. Peck. The history of this sordid affair was described in The Barnes Review* in its March/April 2000 issue. In its January/ February 2001 issue, The Barnes Review described Untermyer’s famous “holy war” speech that helped launch World War II. So many people today believe that the words of Scofield are the words of the scripture. I tell people that if you’ve got a Scofield “bible,” then throw it away. Most people who call themselves Christians do not study and read God’s word for themselves or they allow their thinking to be influenced what they have been told based on the teachings of Scofield. If you look at the Tim LaHaye series, Left Behind, he and his associate have each made some $10 million on this, playing on the fear and unknowing faith of the Christian public. Doom and gloom sells, but truth does not. Thanks to the influence of Scofield and his sponsors, Untermyer and the Rothschild family, many Christians today believe that God promised a certain tract of land in the Middle East to the people we know today as Israelis. You are referring to the promise that God made to Abraham. God keeps his word and he certainly did. In Joshua 21, verses 43-45, it says that the Lord God gave unto Israel all the land. So God did fulfill the promise that he made to Abraham. But was the promise of this land to those known as the Hebrews a promise that this would be their land forever? No, it was not. First of all, the old covenant between God and the Hebrews was conditional. Although God kept his word, there was nothing in that promise that it would be that way forever. The old covenant was conditional. The key word is “if.” That is, if the Hebrews kept their part in their covenant with God. But all throughout scripture the prophets continue to predict that the Hebrews will break that covenant by disobeying God and that, eventually, they will lose it all. And eventually, they did lose it all. This is what is important: it was never solely an ethnic issue as to who “Israel” was. The issue always had to do with those who had faith and believed in God. For example, the United States is often referred to as a “Christian nation.” That does not mean that everyone in the United States is a Christian. But those who follow Christ by faith and by faith alone are of that spiritual seed. In Numbers 9:14, if strangers came in and kept the ordinances and the males were circumcised, they were accepted as a part of Israel. So it was not that this exclusive, nationalistic issue that many people try to hang onto. Spiritual Israel was always the issue. God said that Israel as a racial entity was going to be the one that the prophecies were made to and the messiah was going to come through. God divorced Israel but he did not divorce Judah, because the messiah had to come through Judah, as the prophecy was made in Genesis 49:10. Remember the parable that Jesus used about wineskin? He said you did not put new wine into an old wineskin. The issue was that the new covenant was not going to be accepted by old covenant Israel. That’s the key thing: people with power in this world refused to accept God’s prophecy and what He had brought about. You have people who call themselves “Christians” who believe that this “Israel” of today is still the Promised Land and that God’s promise is going on in perpetuity and that God has a hand in this modern-day political mess in the Middle East and that we have an “end times” coming. They suggest that Christ effectively failed and did not fulfill God’s plan. That is exactly what dispensational theology teaches: The Jews rejected the kingdom and, as a result, it was put on hold. That’s utter nonsense. When they came to Christ and tried to make him king after He had fed the 5,000, he slipped away from them. He had not come to set up a physical kingdom. That was never His intent. It was always a spiritual kingdom with a spiritual people. To expect Christ to return and rule over a literal kingdom is to believe that everything Christ did when he was here on Earth was a failure. How could the Son of God be a failure? Correct. The people who are saying that Christ failed and has to return are suggesting that God was caught off guard and He had to come up with a “Plan B.” That’s absurd. Yet we still have many evangelical Christians believing this nonsense, thanks to Scofield. The historical and Biblical truths about the destruction of Jerusalem are not something that is widely taught to Christians in America today. Christians are not taught that this was the fulfillment of God’s promise and was literally the hand of God Himself destroying the old order completely and totally. Every Jew knew that the “Heaven and the Earth” was the temple. That’s what Jesus meant when He said that “Heaven and Earth” would pass but that His word would not pass. That is the prophecy of Isaiah 65: the New Jerusalem that came out of Heaven, the new “Heaven and Earth” that John spoke about in Revelation 21 when he said he saw a new Heaven and Earth and no more sea. What John was saying was that there was no more separation, no more exclusivity. Now God’s kingdom was open to all. The destruction of Jerusalem and the physical destruction of the old temple by the Roman armies was a signal that God’s kingdom was now in place. Christ predicted in Matthew 24 what would happen, and the truth is that what happened in Jerusalem in the times of Titus—the Roman who destroyed Jerusalem—you cannot find anything else in history to match it for horrible events. Christ said that the whole system that the Pharisees stood for was going to be destroyed. His disciples came to him on the Mount of Olives and asked, “When shall these things be?” Every one of them knew that there was going to be a new Heaven and Earth, a new age, a new covenant. Christ described to them all that would happen before it would transpire. Today people say that we are living in “the last days” and the world is coming to an end, but in Luke 21 (which is parallel to Matthew 24 and Mark 13), Christ said, “Take heed that you be not deceived for many shall come in my name, saying, ‘I am Christ. The end draweth near.” He said you shall hear of wars and rumors of wars and then said that there would be wrath upon “this people.” That’s the key: he’s referring to the flesh-and-blood individuals he was talking to at that time. The issue in Luke 21 is that he said that only the apostles themselves would be able to say when the end had come. That means that anyone after them would be a false prophet if they were predicting the end times had come to Earth. The prophecy of the destruction of Jerusalem was made to those people in that land, not to the whole world and that is another key to understanding all of this. The people of Jerusalem practically ate each other. It was a horrendous end time in the most classic sense. Josephus, the historian, even said that if Titus, the Roman, had not lifted his finger, the Jews of the time would have probably destroyed themselves from within. More than a million were killed and, at the end, only 100,000 were left. They went into captivity. There is a well-known Christian columnist, Cal Thomas, who seems to believe that everything Israeli leader Ariel Sharon does is directed by God Himself. That is the sentiment today: that everything Israel does is because it is ordained by God. The original “Israel” was dissolved by God, and if you look at the world today from a correct Biblical sense, based upon what we have in the Bible, there is no such thing as a “Jew.” The Jewish Encyclopedia itself says there is no such thing as a Jewish race. There is only a Jewish religion now and that is what came out of Babylon and had nothing to do with the Bible and its times. Is today’s Judaism the religion of the tribe of Judah? Predominantly today, yes. Under the years of Babylonian captivity they came up with the synagogue-type of Judaism that is being practiced today. When you start looking at the Jewish Talmud, you find things to tally contrary to God’s word, yet there are some today who say that “Christianity came out of Judaism,” and that is absurd. [ www.blueletterbible.org/s...cfm?b=Mat&c=13&v=33&t=KJV / www.blueletterbible.org/s...teria=beware+leaven&t=KJV ] We are not a Judeo-Christian country. The United States started out as a Godly, Christian country. [ www.theforbiddenknowledge...irst_charter_virginia.htm / bible.cc/micah/4-2.htm / http://kingjbible.com/micah/4.htm /bible.cc/matthew/13-31.htm ] Not all of those who founded this country were Christian [ bible.cc/matthew/13-38.htm ] but at least the ideas of the Bible were incorporated into our nation by many of the Founding Fathers. God had his prophets on the Earth and when Christ fulfilled the promise, the temple was gone and the old way of doing things was wiped out. It was fulfilled. It’s amazing to me that there are those who don’t believe it. We say “trust in Jesus” and “take him at His word,” but many don’t. Every single person has Jesus right there if he so chooses. It has nothing to do with race or sex or height or anything. God’s kingdom is within us. It is open to any and all who believe in the finished work of Jesus Christ. ========================= See also: Scepter of Judah and Thesis Statements [Agenda for World War, Destruction of Christian America; and Jewish Supremacy] http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=75182
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
i'm sure this falls on blind eyes.
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. I'm afraid we'll just haveta agree to disagree on this one, my friend.
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, You, too, my friend, agree to disagree...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Slim, can you agree to this?: "People who control a grossly disproportionate share of the world's wealth will take measures to consolidate their position." It's from christine's post and sums it up nicely.
"People who control a grossly disproportionate share of the world's wealth will take measures to consolidate their position." I have no doubt that the very wealthy will work in their self-interest try to keep and even grow their fortunes...that doesn't make them all Luciferians, though. The Bush Derangement Syndrome still burns brightly around here...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, And why would any sane white male take the time to support a party who refuses to push back against diversity and affirmative action?
The most corrupt of the corrupt (and power does corrupt) are by definition "of the devil". Bush Derangement Syndrome Charles Krauthammer is a perfect example of what I speak.
MLK was a Republican, after all.
Fer the record, JT, I've been officially an Independent since I quit the GOP in 2002. I rail against not only RATS, but RINOs, too. Regards...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Awww, c'mon, Krauthammer's harmless (and often funny, too)...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, We'll have to disagree on Krauthammer. The little freak should be swinging on the gallows along with every other Zionist disinfo artist in DC.
"She's 100% correct, Mud. It's common knowledge outside of the feckless faux "Christian community" in ameriKa." Mark me down as "unconvinced", my friend...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, A higher proportion of GOPers voted in favor of Civil Rights Laws of the 60's than the racist RATS!! But STILL the African-Americans vote fer the RATS...why is that? 'Cuz the RATS will always promise them more Big Guv'ment cheese than the Pubbies will...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States,And what was George Bush Senior's nickname? "Magog".
#2. To: tom007 (#0)
Bush wove a story about how the Biblical creatures Gog and Magog were at work in the Middle East
I've already said too much.
#3. To: tom007 (#0)
#4. To: MUDDOG (#2)
The cocaine and booze hollowed out his brain, and this stuff filled up the holes.
A little known fact.... The first testicular guard "Jock strap & Cup" was used in Hockey in 1874 and the first helmet was used in 1974. It took 100 years for men to realize that the brain is also important.
#5. To: christine (#3)
"...the bushes are luciferians."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#6. To: christine (#3)
no true Christian would ever be a member of S&B.
Lord Acton
#7. To: tom007 (#0)
#8. To: Mudboy Slim (#5)
#9. To: christine (#8)
Lord Acton
#10. To: tom007 (#0)
Dancing Turtles and Bouncing Boobs
...that's Turtle Island.
#11. To: tom007 (#0)
(Edited)
In 2003 while lobbying leaders to put together the Coalition of the Willing, President Bush spoke to France's President Jacques Chirac. Bush wove a story about how the Biblical creatures Gog and Magog were at work in the Middle East and how they must be defeated.... It's true - GWB really did think he was God's instrument.
#12. To: Mudboy Slim, christine (#5)
"...the bushes are luciferians."
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#13. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#11)
(Edited)
#14. To: Rotara (#12)
#15. To: Rotara (#12)
www.righttokeepandbeararms.com
#16. To: christine (#8)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#17. To: Rotara (#12)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#18. To: Mudboy Slim, christine (#16)
#19. To: bluegrass (#18)
"Slim, can you agree to this?:
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#20. To: Mudboy Slim (#19)
The Bush Derangement Syndrome still burns brightly around here...MUD
#21. To: Mudboy Slim (#19)
#22. To: Jethro Tull (#20)
#23. To: Jethro Tull (#20)
"...why would any sane white male take the time to support a party...?"
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#24. To: bluegrass (#21)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#25. To: Mudboy Slim (#24)
#26. To: Rotara (#12)
"...the bushes are luciferians."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#27. To: bluegrass, Jethro Tull, CAPPSMADNESS (#22)
"MLK was a Republican..."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
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