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Title: KANSAS ABORTION DOCTOR MURDERED AT CHURCH
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URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/ ... ller-killed-abor_n_209504.html
Published: May 31, 2009
Author: Huffpo
Post Date: 2009-05-31 14:03:34 by christine
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WICHITA, Kansas (AP)- Media reports say that abortion provider Dr. George Tiller has been shot and killed at his Wichita church. Tiller has been among the few U.S. physicians performing late-term abortion. His clinic has repeatedly been the site of protests for about two decades. He was acquitted in March of misdemeanor charges stemming from procedures he performed, but moments after the verdict the state's medical board announced it was investigating allegations against him that are nearly identical to those the jury had rejected. Prosecutors had alleged that Tiller had in 2003 gotten second opinions from a doctor who was essentially an employee of his, not independent as state law requires, but a jury took only about an hour to find him not guilty of all 19 counts. Tiller, who could have faced a year in jail for even one conviction, stared straight ahead as the verdicts were read, with one of his attorneys patting his shoulder after the decision on the final count was declared. His wife, seated across the courtroom, fought back tears and nodded. The couple declined to speak to reporters afterward. Tiller, 67, has claimed that the prosecution was politically motivated. An attorney general who opposed abortion rights began the investigation into Tiller's clinic more than four years ago, but both his successor, who filed the criminal charges, and the current attorney general support abortion rights. Tiller has been a favored target of anti-abortion protesters, and he testified that he and his family have suffered years of harassment and threats. His clinic was the site of the 1991 "Summer of Mercy" protests marked by mass demonstrations and arrests. His clinic was bombed in 1985, and an abortion opponent shot him in both arms in 1993.
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#2. To: christine, all (#0)
On one hand, I can't help but wonder why he bothered to go to church. On the other hand, going to church fit him like a glove. Hey, if about 50% of them support torture, what's wrong with murdering little babies? Usually these hypocrites murder people by proxy, he went out and did it himself. One murderer murdered by another murderer. And now he's dead. Good riddance to a murderer. .
It's a forum post, not a doctoral thesis. Click for Privacy and Preparedness files
The concealed-carry people should demand equal time here, but will be drowned out by the ululating choicers. Ideally, another parishioner should have been packing and then immediately taken out the "pro life" "freedom fighter." Then one of the latter's allies could fire back at this guy and on and on it goes. I love irony. Imagine dozens dead in a pile there at that church, all because of an argument over the "sanctity of life."
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
I don't think that the average person on either side of the controversies that you allude to are represented among the parties to this tragedy. And I don't think this murder is emblematic of the attitudes, philosophies or behaviors you find among most "choicers" or "lifers" or gunners or anti-gunners. The problem is when it get personal and pathologically so. People get so tied up in their mutual animosities that they are driven insane, or should I say, drive themselves insane. That's the difference between this place and places like LP. Which bunch would you rather have a drink with? A 4um gathering might get a little raucus, but an LP meeting would be about three steps from a bar fight. You wouldn't want any pointy objects laying about.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. I love irony. Imagine dozens dead in a pile there at that church, all because of an argument over the "sanctity of life." One of your most insightful observations. Thanks. The visual is classic.
Media reports say that I won't shed any tears over the death of a murderer. While I believe he should have been tried by a jury and executed for his crimes it would be hard to find a panel of jurors who haven't been so dumbed down that they would vote to convict a self-confessed killer. He didn't get anything he didn't deserve, that's for sure.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. it's irony just as it is.
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Good riddance to a murderer. + 1,000
This is such good news. Thank God that piece of shit tiller is dead. The killer is a certified American Hero.
Your stupid. Tiller should have been arrested and executed long ago. If we had justice in this country he would have already been dead. It is sad that a good man had to take the law into his own hands and will now be punished. He should be set free and given a medal of honor. This is what happens when the government doesn't enforce murder laws.
Good effing riddance to that stain on the planet. I hope they don't take up a whole plot of ground to 'bury' him on. Turn him into gator bait...IMO
What the fuck do YOU know about 'choice' and 'life', dipsquit ??
He didn't deserve any 'kangaroo justice'. He got exactly what he begged for. I hope this puts some serious fear back into the butchers' minds...
How ironic, the late term abortion doctor gets aborted late term. Something tells me this man is burning in hades right now.
God is always good!
Of course the "good" doctor did nothing to trigger the demand for abortion. That lives in the hearts and souls of America's families. How did it get there? Who took their will to life? Who stripped their souls? Who planted the seeds of hereditary self-denial? Who took their sense of heritage? You can ban abortion but you can't make people want to raise families, not when their economic future is constantly unstable, deteriorating, or worse.
how would you answer your questions? wouldn't you agree that this goes back several decades?
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The amoral psychotics of that pseudo-science known as Psychiatry. You can find it clearly in their writings and speeches in the 40's and 50's.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
I hope they don't take up a whole plot of ground to 'bury' him on. Turn him into gator bait...IMO Give the remains to the animal killers at PETA so they can celebrate the death of a human and then compost him.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
I think it has happened in three stages. First was the choice to pursue empire before the civil war began. A willingness to corporatize America had already manifested itself in the railroad building, and the industrial revolution was what propelled us to fight each other over whether or not we were a republic or an empire. Second was the acceptance of foreign wars as necessary to the health of the empire starting with the Spanish-American war in 1898. Third was the symbiotic linkage of Zionist/Jewish interests with the empire starting in earnest with the establishment of the federal reserve and our entry into the first world war. Our decision to nationalize huge areas that could have been used for homesteading was one early manifestation of our decision to corporatize. When homesteading ended for good in 1968, abortion was just around the corner. Affirmative action and open immigration had already confirmed the end of America's interest in its own traditional families. By 1973, it was just a matter of formalities. The young women who saw this doctor may have been immoral, but we are amoral for not restoring the conditions that bring the joy of life back into their hearts. All they are doing is responding to the prevailing economic and cultural conditions. This is a short post on a long topic. There are several culprits, but we are the primary transgressors against our own will to life, as I call it. We can bring it back. We should. We have a moral imperative.
Psychiatry has been dominated by Jews, and has its roots in talmudic illuminism. The media and the educational establishment, also increasingly dominated by Jews, has pushed for greater and greater levels of professional psychiatric involvement in day to day American life. It's even normalized in our entertainment.
that's where i see the beginning of the end. that and when they took our real money.
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Yes, usury saps the will to life. Shakespeare wrote "neither a borrower nor a lender be" in Hamlet.
So you believe that the best way to deal with someone you dislike is to murder them in cold blood, in a church no less. Imagine my surprise. You are cheering cold-blooded murder, committed in a house of God. Just mind-boggling. So you disagree with what the victim in this murder did. Fine. Whatever happened to "hate the sin, but love the sinner"? Whatever happened to the idea that you don't become what you hate while fighting that which you hate? Whatever happened to having reverence for a holy place? Nope, you cheer on the killer and claim they are "a certified American Hero". How horribly twisted.
It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
#3. To: christine (#0)
#4. To: Sam Houston (#3)
The concealed-carry people should demand equal time here, but will be drowned out by the ululating choicers.
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#5. To: Sam Houston. all (#3)
Ideally, another parishioner should have been packing and then immediately taken out the "pro life" "freedom fighter." Then one of the latter's allies could fire back at this guy and on and on it goes.
#6. To: christine (#0)
(Edited)
Media reports say that abortion provider Dr. George Tiller has been shot and killed at his Wichita church.
abortion provider baby killer, Dr. George Tiller, has been shot and killed at his Wichita church. There. Fixed.
Lord Acton
#7. To: Sam Houston (#3)
#8. To: 'tube on the now very dead Dr Tiller (#7)
#9. To: PSUSA (#2)
And now he's dead.
#10. To: christine (#0)
#11. To: Sam Houston (#3)
Ideally, another parishioner should have been packing and then immediately taken out the "pro life" "freedom fighter." Then one of the latter's allies could fire back at this guy and on and on it goes.
#12. To: christine (#0)
tiller
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#13. To: Sam Houston (#3)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#14. To: James Deffenbach (#6)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#15. To: christine (#0)
#16. To: Rotara, Sam Houston (#12)
#17. To: Deasy (#16)
How did it get there? Who took their will to life? Who stripped their souls? Who planted the seeds of hereditary self-denial? Who took their sense of heritage?
#18. To: Deasy (#16)
Of course the "good" doctor did nothing to trigger the demand for abortion. That lives in the hearts and souls of America's families. How did it get there? Who took their will to life? Who stripped their souls? Who planted the seeds of hereditary self-denial? Who took their sense of heritage?
#19. To: Rotara (#12)
Good effing riddance to that stain on the planet.
#20. To: christine (#17)
#21. To: Original_Intent (#20)
The amoral psychotics of that pseudo-science known as Psychiatry. You can find it clearly in their writings and speeches in the 40's and 50's.
#22. To: Deasy (#20)
with the empire starting in earnest with the establishment of the federal reserve and our entry into the first world war.
#23. To: christine (#22)
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#24. To: Old Friend (#10)
This is such good news. Thank God that piece of shit tiller is dead. The killer is a certified American Hero.
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#25. To: Elliott Jackalope, christine (#24)
And mark my words: not one abortion will be prevented by this action. And the demand for abortion, which is where they all come from, will not be slackened one bit. For that, we'd have to abolish the federal reserve, disconnect all ties to Israel, end free trade, and stop open immigration. We'd probably need to restore a sound energy policy and trigger a clean industrial revival, as well. We could do all these things if we understood how critical to our future they were.
#26. To: Deasy (#23)
"With Usura" by Ezra Pound. Canto LXV With usura hath no man a house of good stone with usura hath no man a painted paradise on his church wall with usura seeth no man Gonzaga his heirs and his concubines with usura, sin against nature, with usura the line grows thick with usura is no clear demarcation WITH USURA wool comes not to market Not by usura St. Hilaire, Usura rusteth the chisel Usura slayeth the child in the womb CONTRA NATURAM They have brought whores for Eleusis at behest of usura.
Yes, usury saps the will to life.
each block cut smooth and well fitting
that delight might cover their face,
harpes et luthes
or where virgin receiveth message
and halo projects from incision,
no picture is made to endure nor to live with
but it is made to sell and sell quickly
is thy bread ever more of stale rags
is thy bread dry as paper,
with no mountain wheat, no strong flour
and no man can find site for his dwelling
Stone cutter is kept from his stone
weaver is kept from his loom
sheep bringeth no gain with usura
Usura is a murrain, usura
blunteth the needle in the the maid's hand
and stoppeth the spinner's cunning. Pietro Lombardo
came not by usura
Duccio came not by usura
nor Pier della Francesca; Zuan Bellin' not by usura
nor was "La Callunia" painted.
Came not by usura Angelico; came not Ambrogio Praedis,
No church of cut stone signed: Adamo me fecit.
Not by usura St. Trophime
It rusteth the craft and the craftsman
It gnaweth the thread in the loom
None learneth to weave gold in her pattern;
Azure hath a canker by usura; cramoisi is unbroidered
Emerald findeth no Memling
It stayeth the young man's courting
It hath brought palsey to bed, lyeth
between the young bride and her bridegroom
Corpses are set to banquet
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#27. To: Elliott Jackalope (#26)
oh my...
Usura slayeth the child in the womb
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#28. To: All, Latest update (#27)
According to the Sedgwick County Sheriff's Office website, 51-year-old Scott Roeder has been booked into to the Sedgwick County Jail shortly after 11:00 Sunday night. The Associated Press says Roeder was detained in the Kansas City area, according to Law Enforcement authorities in the area. Roeder is accused of shooting and killing Wichita abortion provider Dr. George Tiller. Roeder has not been formally charged with the killing at this time. Wichita abortion provider Dr. George Tiller was gunned down while he was ushering at Reformation Lutheran Church Sunday morning around 10:00. Location of Church Police arrested a 51-year-old man from the Kansas City area just a few hours after the shooting. For those who knew Dr. George Tiller and worshipped with the Wichita abortion provider call the shooting is devastating. Police say the man who shot Dr. Tiller fled Reformation Lutheran Church immediately after the shooting, but not before threatening two other people "The two men were trying to apprehend the shooter," said Deputy Chief Tom Stolz with the Wichita Police Department, "There was dialogue which I'm not going to divulge. That'll be part of the criminal trial. They were both threatened and the gun was pointed at them" Those witnesses were able to get a detailed description of the suspect, his car and even his license plate number. By early afternoon, police in Johnson County had the 51-year-old suspect in custody near Kansas City. Police there say he was arrested without running or putting up a fight. Police plan to check his background for any affiliation with anti-abortion groups. "We investigate this suspect to the ‘Nth' degree," Stolz said, "His history, his family, his associates." Stolz says formal charges are expected Monday. Suspect faces one count of murder, two counts of aggravated assault. Detective says suspect threatened two others who tried to keep him from leaving the area.
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#29. To: Old Friend (#10)
It's because of you and your fellow "evangilical" travelers that the "Hate Crimes Bill" will now pass without opposition.... it never ceases to amaze me how far you go out your way to prove what a fake christian you are
#30. To: Elliott Jackalope (#24)
You my friend (and I use that word loosely) are unamazingly stupid. I don't think murdering someone I disagree with is ok. That piece of shit has murdered over a thousand babies. Probably thousands. So I am quite content that the "man" is dead. You and your valuelessness and moraleless mind of stupidity don't seem capable of understanding that when you take someones innocent life that it is yours that needs to be forfeitted. Your desire to make light of the crimes of a serial murderer and to stick up for him is breathtakingly evil. In your twisted soul you think that good people have to sit back and let the innocent be killed. You are a face of evil.
So you believe that the best way to deal with someone you dislike is to murder them in cold blood, in a church no less. Imagine my surprise. You are cheering cold-blooded murder, committed in a house of God. Just mind-boggling.
#31. To: RickyJ (#15)
My sentiments are with you. I think you are scriptuaally inaccurate though. Hell comes later.
How ironic, the late term abortion doctor gets aborted late term. Something tells me this man is burning in hades right now.
#32. To: Deasy (#16)
Poor people have been raising children since the beginning. Your making this an economic issue is well kind of sicko and shines light on the evil in this land. Tiller was nothing more then a cold blooded killer. The guy who killed him is the kind of people we need in this country. If we had 10000 more like him. We could take this country back. He is better then all of you/us whiners and talkers out there who talk and do nothing.
#33. To: Deasy (#21)
Sometimes you are really bright and a joy to read. Other times when your hatred of Jews shows through you can be really stupid. Really stupid.
#34. To: christine (#28)
I noticed he went to one of those liberal churches where they debate marrying faggots and killing babies. Never sure if it is right or wrong. That whole church sounds like a bunch of fuck ups. If they weren't luke warm they would have driven him out of their church to begin with. Anyone who is devastated by this news is in serious need of a head examination and a visit by "dr Kevorkian".
For those who knew Dr. George Tiller and worshipped with the Wichita abortion provider call the shooting is devastating.
#35. To: robnoel (#29)
Because of you and assholes like you millions of babies have been murdered. Your pahtetic. Anyone who was going to vote for Hate crime legislation was already going to do so. If we had 10000 more Roeders instead of limp dick cowards like you the congress would be afraid to pass hate crime legislation and afraid to not outright ban abortion. You are a glass is half empty pessimist eternal whiner. Apparently you are not what the good side needs to win this battle.
It's because of you and your fellow "evangilical" travelers that the "Hate Crimes Bill" will now pass without opposition.... it never ceases to amaze me how far you go out your way to prove what a fake christian you are
#36. To: Old Friend (#30)
So the way to show that a murderer is wrong is to murder him. Brilliant. Now the person who killed him in cold blood in a church is himself a murderer. Where does it end? You are so twisted up with hate and venom, all the while claiming to be a "good Christian". I pity you, I really do. If you're one of the "good guys" I'd really prefer to not see what a "bad guy" looks like.
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#37. To: Elliott Jackalope (#36)
It is not murder when you kill the guilty. It is called frontier justice. It is what happens when the government doesn't live up to its responsibility. Correct me if I am wrong but aren't you one of those hypocrits that are for letting people who murder babies get away with it but you are against the death penalty for people who kill adults. If i am correct. That would make you a sicko.
So the way to show that a murderer is wrong is to murder him. Brilliant. Now the person who killed him in cold blood in a church is himself a murderer. Where does it end?
#38. To: Elliott Jackalope (#36)
I like the way you just ignore the FACT! that he murdered thousands of human beings. You ask where does it end. It ends when murdering babaies is not ok anymore.
#39. To: Elliott Jackalope (#36)
May 31 should be made a national holiday. We should all celebrate that tiller the killer isn't killing anymore. Tiller was a killer but the lead made him dead
#40. To: Old Friend (#35)
You are a heretic you been exposed so many times it's a joke yet you are to stupid to see it.Expect a knock on door when the bill passes
#41. To: robnoel (#40) (Edited)
wow a non believer calling me a heretic. I'm shocked I tell you shocked. So according to your apparently dead brain. Killing babies is A ok. That being Pro choice is an honorable position. But someone kills the killer and it is an outrage. Get a grip on reality Rob. Tiller was a cold blooded killer and he got just what he deserved. Long overdue but finally that murderer is dead. You on the other hand being the coward that you are condemn people who are against baby killing. I never heaard your outrage at baby murdering. So the fair and honest conclusion is that you would prefer Tiller the killer to an innocent baby. You would have shouted give unto us barabas.
#42. To: Old Friend (#37) (Edited)
Do you ever tire of calling people names? Do you ever grow weary of digging in your little box of venomous replies and finding labels you can stick on people? Do you ever find yourself confronting even the tiniest doubt that maybe, just maybe, you are not always right about everything and that maybe, just maybe you could possibly be wrong about something, anything, ever? Your anger and venom are frightening enough. Your bottomless certainty about the righteousness of your moral proclamations is positively terrifying. And through all of this you proclaim yourself to be a "Christian". Amazing. Putting labels on everyone and everything is easy, yes. It's convenient, it's handy, it's popular and often a crowd-pleaser. It's comforting to be able to take everything and slap a label on it, and then stuff it into a handy box labeled "bad". It's reflexive, it's visceral, it feels good. It makes a great substitute for actual thinking. And it does nothing to further understanding, does nothing to help solve anything. It just serves to fuel the fires of anger and retribution. Well, no worries. The way this society and this economy are going, I think you and everyone like you will soon find themselves having all the anger and violence and retribution and hate and malice and death and destruction you can eat. I hope you get a bellyfull of it.
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