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Title: KANSAS ABORTION DOCTOR MURDERED AT CHURCH
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URL Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/ ... ller-killed-abor_n_209504.html
Published: May 31, 2009
Author: Huffpo
Post Date: 2009-05-31 14:03:34 by christine
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WICHITA, Kansas (AP)- Media reports say that abortion provider Dr. George Tiller has been shot and killed at his Wichita church. Tiller has been among the few U.S. physicians performing late-term abortion. His clinic has repeatedly been the site of protests for about two decades. He was acquitted in March of misdemeanor charges stemming from procedures he performed, but moments after the verdict the state's medical board announced it was investigating allegations against him that are nearly identical to those the jury had rejected. Prosecutors had alleged that Tiller had in 2003 gotten second opinions from a doctor who was essentially an employee of his, not independent as state law requires, but a jury took only about an hour to find him not guilty of all 19 counts. Tiller, who could have faced a year in jail for even one conviction, stared straight ahead as the verdicts were read, with one of his attorneys patting his shoulder after the decision on the final count was declared. His wife, seated across the courtroom, fought back tears and nodded. The couple declined to speak to reporters afterward. Tiller, 67, has claimed that the prosecution was politically motivated. An attorney general who opposed abortion rights began the investigation into Tiller's clinic more than four years ago, but both his successor, who filed the criminal charges, and the current attorney general support abortion rights. Tiller has been a favored target of anti-abortion protesters, and he testified that he and his family have suffered years of harassment and threats. His clinic was the site of the 1991 "Summer of Mercy" protests marked by mass demonstrations and arrests. His clinic was bombed in 1985, and an abortion opponent shot him in both arms in 1993.
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#27. To: Elliott Jackalope (#26)
oh my...
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
According to the Sedgwick County Sheriff's Office website, 51-year-old Scott Roeder has been booked into to the Sedgwick County Jail shortly after 11:00 Sunday night. The Associated Press says Roeder was detained in the Kansas City area, according to Law Enforcement authorities in the area. Roeder is accused of shooting and killing Wichita abortion provider Dr. George Tiller. Roeder has not been formally charged with the killing at this time. Wichita abortion provider Dr. George Tiller was gunned down while he was ushering at Reformation Lutheran Church Sunday morning around 10:00. Location of Church Police arrested a 51-year-old man from the Kansas City area just a few hours after the shooting. For those who knew Dr. George Tiller and worshipped with the Wichita abortion provider call the shooting is devastating. Police say the man who shot Dr. Tiller fled Reformation Lutheran Church immediately after the shooting, but not before threatening two other people "The two men were trying to apprehend the shooter," said Deputy Chief Tom Stolz with the Wichita Police Department, "There was dialogue which I'm not going to divulge. That'll be part of the criminal trial. They were both threatened and the gun was pointed at them" Those witnesses were able to get a detailed description of the suspect, his car and even his license plate number. By early afternoon, police in Johnson County had the 51-year-old suspect in custody near Kansas City. Police there say he was arrested without running or putting up a fight. Police plan to check his background for any affiliation with anti-abortion groups. "We investigate this suspect to the ‘Nth' degree," Stolz said, "His history, his family, his associates." Stolz says formal charges are expected Monday. Suspect faces one count of murder, two counts of aggravated assault. Detective says suspect threatened two others who tried to keep him from leaving the area.
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
It's because of you and your fellow "evangilical" travelers that the "Hate Crimes Bill" will now pass without opposition.... it never ceases to amaze me how far you go out your way to prove what a fake christian you are
You my friend (and I use that word loosely) are unamazingly stupid. I don't think murdering someone I disagree with is ok. That piece of shit has murdered over a thousand babies. Probably thousands. So I am quite content that the "man" is dead. You and your valuelessness and moraleless mind of stupidity don't seem capable of understanding that when you take someones innocent life that it is yours that needs to be forfeitted. Your desire to make light of the crimes of a serial murderer and to stick up for him is breathtakingly evil. In your twisted soul you think that good people have to sit back and let the innocent be killed. You are a face of evil.
My sentiments are with you. I think you are scriptuaally inaccurate though. Hell comes later.
Poor people have been raising children since the beginning. Your making this an economic issue is well kind of sicko and shines light on the evil in this land. Tiller was nothing more then a cold blooded killer. The guy who killed him is the kind of people we need in this country. If we had 10000 more like him. We could take this country back. He is better then all of you/us whiners and talkers out there who talk and do nothing.
Sometimes you are really bright and a joy to read. Other times when your hatred of Jews shows through you can be really stupid. Really stupid.
I noticed he went to one of those liberal churches where they debate marrying faggots and killing babies. Never sure if it is right or wrong. That whole church sounds like a bunch of fuck ups. If they weren't luke warm they would have driven him out of their church to begin with. Anyone who is devastated by this news is in serious need of a head examination and a visit by "dr Kevorkian".
Because of you and assholes like you millions of babies have been murdered. Your pahtetic. Anyone who was going to vote for Hate crime legislation was already going to do so. If we had 10000 more Roeders instead of limp dick cowards like you the congress would be afraid to pass hate crime legislation and afraid to not outright ban abortion. You are a glass is half empty pessimist eternal whiner. Apparently you are not what the good side needs to win this battle.
So the way to show that a murderer is wrong is to murder him. Brilliant. Now the person who killed him in cold blood in a church is himself a murderer. Where does it end? You are so twisted up with hate and venom, all the while claiming to be a "good Christian". I pity you, I really do. If you're one of the "good guys" I'd really prefer to not see what a "bad guy" looks like.
Usura slayeth the child in the womb
#28. To: All, Latest update (#27)
#29. To: Old Friend (#10)
#30. To: Elliott Jackalope (#24)
So you believe that the best way to deal with someone you dislike is to murder them in cold blood, in a church no less. Imagine my surprise. You are cheering cold-blooded murder, committed in a house of God. Just mind-boggling.
#31. To: RickyJ (#15)
How ironic, the late term abortion doctor gets aborted late term. Something tells me this man is burning in hades right now.
#32. To: Deasy (#16)
#33. To: Deasy (#21)
#34. To: christine (#28)
For those who knew Dr. George Tiller and worshipped with the Wichita abortion provider call the shooting is devastating.
#35. To: robnoel (#29)
It's because of you and your fellow "evangilical" travelers that the "Hate Crimes Bill" will now pass without opposition.... it never ceases to amaze me how far you go out your way to prove what a fake christian you are
#36. To: Old Friend (#30)
 | Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise. |
#37. To: Elliott Jackalope (#36)
It is not murder when you kill the guilty. It is called frontier justice. It is what happens when the government doesn't live up to its responsibility. Correct me if I am wrong but aren't you one of those hypocrits that are for letting people who murder babies get away with it but you are against the death penalty for people who kill adults. If i am correct. That would make you a sicko.
So the way to show that a murderer is wrong is to murder him. Brilliant. Now the person who killed him in cold blood in a church is himself a murderer. Where does it end?
#38. To: Elliott Jackalope (#36)
I like the way you just ignore the FACT! that he murdered thousands of human beings. You ask where does it end. It ends when murdering babaies is not ok anymore.
#39. To: Elliott Jackalope (#36)
May 31 should be made a national holiday. We should all celebrate that tiller the killer isn't killing anymore. Tiller was a killer but the lead made him dead
#40. To: Old Friend (#35)
You are a heretic you been exposed so many times it's a joke yet you are to stupid to see it.Expect a knock on door when the bill passes
#41. To: robnoel (#40) (Edited)
wow a non believer calling me a heretic. I'm shocked I tell you shocked. So according to your apparently dead brain. Killing babies is A ok. That being Pro choice is an honorable position. But someone kills the killer and it is an outrage. Get a grip on reality Rob. Tiller was a cold blooded killer and he got just what he deserved. Long overdue but finally that murderer is dead. You on the other hand being the coward that you are condemn people who are against baby killing. I never heaard your outrage at baby murdering. So the fair and honest conclusion is that you would prefer Tiller the killer to an innocent baby. You would have shouted give unto us barabas.
#42. To: Old Friend (#37) (Edited)
Do you ever tire of calling people names? Do you ever grow weary of digging in your little box of venomous replies and finding labels you can stick on people? Do you ever find yourself confronting even the tiniest doubt that maybe, just maybe, you are not always right about everything and that maybe, just maybe you could possibly be wrong about something, anything, ever? Your anger and venom are frightening enough. Your bottomless certainty about the righteousness of your moral proclamations is positively terrifying. And through all of this you proclaim yourself to be a "Christian". Amazing. Putting labels on everyone and everything is easy, yes. It's convenient, it's handy, it's popular and often a crowd-pleaser. It's comforting to be able to take everything and slap a label on it, and then stuff it into a handy box labeled "bad". It's reflexive, it's visceral, it feels good. It makes a great substitute for actual thinking. And it does nothing to further understanding, does nothing to help solve anything. It just serves to fuel the fires of anger and retribution. Well, no worries. The way this society and this economy are going, I think you and everyone like you will soon find themselves having all the anger and violence and retribution and hate and malice and death and destruction you can eat. I hope you get a bellyfull of it.
| Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise. |
#43. To: Old Friend (#41) (Edited)
You were OK with Jews killing babies in Gaza a few weeks ago you are a hypocrite pro-life means all life dip shit what part of "thou shall not kill" don't you get and please don't respond with your Scoefield Bible babble
#44. To: Elliott Jackalope (#42)
NoPe little atheist.
Do you ever tire of calling people names? Do you ever grow weary of digging in your little box of venomous replies and finding labels you can stick on people? Do you ever find yourself confronting even the tiniest doubt that maybe, just maybe, you are not always right about everything and that maybe, just maybe you could possibly be wrong about something, anything, ever?
#45. To: christine (#0)
I prefer to think of it as a late-term abortion.
KANSAS ABORTION DOCTOR MURDERED AT CHURCH
#46. To: Elliott Jackalope (#42)
You support baby murder. You support a baby murderer. That is all anyone needs to know about Elliot Jackalope. I'm glad you are frightened. It is good that abortion supporters are frightened. BOO.
Your anger and venom are frightening enough. Your bottomless certainty about the righteousness of your moral proclamations is positively terrifying. And through all of this you proclaim yourself to be a "Christian". Amazing.
#47. To: Old Friend (#44)
With your own words you condemn yourself. For the record, I do believe in God. I don't believe in religion. Mainly because of what it does to people like you.
| Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise. |
#48. To: Elliott Jackalope (#42)
They economy is fine. My little business is booming. If you notiece I don't spend all day on the net bitching like you do loser. Maybe your economy wouldn't be so bad if turned off the internet and got your lazy ass up and did something. Same thing goes for all the other losers out there who are lazy and don't work.
Well, no worries. The way this society and this economy are going, I think you and everyone like you will soon find themselves having all the anger and violence and retribution and hate and malice and death and destruction you can eat. I hope you get a bellyfull of it.
#49. To: Old Friend (#46)
Talking about killing babies why do you support Israel? Or don't you know that the Israel Government supports and pays for all abortions yes even late term.
#50. To: TooConservative (#45)
You have a great mind.
I prefer to think of it as a late-term abortion.
#51. To: robnoel (#49)
Your fucking stupid if you expect anyone to believe that. Now go prove it.
Talking about killing babies why do you support Israel? Or don't you know that the Israel Government supports and pays for all abortions yes even late term.
#52. To: Elliott Jackalope (#47)
If you deny christ you don't believ in God. You have made your own custom god to suit your needs.
For the record, I do believe in God. I don't believe in religion. Mainly because of what it does to people like you.
#53. To: robnoel (#49)
I bozoed OLD FRIEND ages ago and have been extremely satisfied with the decision to do so. This thread is far more enjoyable for me since I don't have to read the mindless bullshit Old Friend writes and only see the responses of sane people. The hypocrisy of evangelical Christian zio-nazi supporters of Israel gives me heartburn and gas.
Or don't you know that the Israel Government supports and pays for all abortions yes even late term.
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.
De La Boétie
#54. To: Old Friend (#51)
Ever hear about Google...this is to easy Abortion in Israel: Terms of Termination A 1977 law ensures a low-cost, and in some cases free, legal abortion to any woman who fills one of four criteria: * She is under 18 or over 40 (cost to those in between: 1,500 shekels [$370]). * She is carrying a fetus with a serious mental or physical defect (free). * She claims that the fetus results from forbidden relations such as rape or incest (free) or, in the case of a married woman, that the baby is not her husband's (not free). Single women also fall under this clause, and they too must pay. * She shows that by continuing the pregnancy, her physical or mental health would be damaged (free). In 1980, a fifth criterion that allowed abortions for women living in economic hardship was abolished due to pressure from religious political parties. A woman who seeks to terminate a pregnancy must appear before one of the 41 abortion committees operating in public and private hospitals around the country. These committees include three members — a physician whose field of expertise is obstetrics and gynecology; another physician who is either a family doctor, psychiatrist, internist or gynecologist, and a social worker. At least one woman must be present on each committee. Six separate committees consider requests for termination when a fetus is beyond 24 weeks old. No hospitals in Jerusalem, however, will perform these abortions. In 1999, 19,674 applications out of 20,581 were approved (96%) and 18,785 pregnancies were terminated. In addition, 16,000 abortions were illegally performed in private doctors' clinics. In general, about 40,000 abortions are carried out in Israel every year. The Health Ministry approves about half of them, and private doctors perform the rest, without the supervision of the state and at the cost of thousands of shekels. Your fucking stupid if you expect anyone to believe that. Now go prove it.
#55. To: Old Friend (#52) (Edited)
Health Ministry: 20,000 legal abortions performed in Israel annually By Dana Weiler-Polak 2007. Last year, 4,799 of the abortions in Israel were by means of Mifegyn, which can be taken up to the seventh week of pregnancy. The World Health Organization has ranked Israel 21 out of 22 European countries in terms of the ratio of abortions to births. Russia was ranked first, with 1,022.4 abortions per 1,000 births, and second is Romania, with 684.6 abortions. In 2007, 20,919 women requested abortions from the hospital committees working under the Health Ministry's aegis. The committee approved 98 percent of the requests. Of the approved requests in 2007, 55 percent were from women who were pregnant as a result of illegal sexual relations, incest, for example, or were unmarried. Another 18 percent were approved because of concerns for the mother's physical or mental health; 18 percent because of birth defects; and 9 percent due to the age of the woman, either under 17 or over 40. In 2007, 245 pregnancies that were ended were late terminations, and half of all abortions were between the 24th and 26th week. http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049040.html I could continue but whats the point!
#56. To: noone222 (#53)
I've reluctantly decided to add Old Fiend to my bozo list again. He's the only person I currently have on bozo, but as of now I've decided it's just the best thing to do. Arguing with Old Fiend is like arguing with evil incarnate, the guy is just vile.
I bozoed OLD FRIEND ages ago and have been extremely satisfied with the decision to do so. This thread is far more enjoyable for me since I don't have to read the mindless bullshit Old Friend writes and only see the responses of sane people.
| Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise. |
#57. To: Old Friend (#32)
I find myself in the rather uncomfortable position of agreeing with you, partially. If you beat your dog you will get more grief from the "justice" system than he ever got. It takes a special kind of cold blooded depravity to either 1) pull the baby out, breech style, where only the head is in the vagina, stick a cannula into his or her skull and suck the brains out, or 2) rip a baby to shreds and vacuum out the pieces, or 3) burn that baby alive with strong saline solution. Did he use one "procedure", or all of them? What the "hell" kind of "man" does things like that, and still goes to church? Is the church that depraved that they want someone like that in there? What good did it do him? What the "hell" kind of sermons did they teach? Good riddance to a cold blooded murderer. I'm not so sure this excuses the man that murdered him, but I won't shed any tears for Tiller. .
Tiller was nothing more then a cold blooded killer.
It's a fine line between being too specific and long winded and therefore too irritating to bother to read, and being too cryptic and therefore too irritating to try to interpret.
It's a forum post, not a doctoral thesis.
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#58. To: Old Friend, robnoel (#51)
If you had any sense, you would be embarrassed.
cking stupid if you expect anyone to believe that. Now go prove it.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" 
#59. To: Old Friend (#48)
I feel better now. I think I'll cancel my room next to Susan Boyle.
The economy is fine. My little business is booming
#60. To: Rotara (#12)
What you talkin' 'bout, Clerow? Some people like dem gator tail and he doan need no junk food, not dem gator. /cajun talk
Turn him into gator bait...IMO
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#61. To: Rotara (#14)
He got exactly what he begged for. I don't know that he begged or wished for it but he got more justice--for that moment at least--than he ever dispensed. He brutalized and tortured the most innocent of all for money. And we both know where he will be spending his time.
He didn't deserve any 'kangaroo justice'.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#62. To: christine (#28)
Yeah sure, don't bother yourselves ever trying to stop the murder of innocents but go all out to punish someone who probably prevented hundreds, perhaps thousands more sadistic torture murders of the most innocent and helpless among us. Yeah, check him out from @$$hole to appetite along with all his family and friends. It is possible you will find more enemies of the state and Satan.
Police plan to check his background for any affiliation with anti-abortion groups. "We investigate this suspect to the ‘Nth' degree," Stolz said, "His history, his family, his associates."
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#63. To: robnoel (#43)
didn't people like Tiller get? Was it too complex for him to understand that you are not to murder the innocent and helpless?
what part of "thou shall not kill"
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#64. To: noone222 (#53)
Your a liar. Your also afraid to debate. Your support of a mass murderer is a mark of shame on you and yours.
I bozoed OLD FRIEND ages ago
#65. To: robnoel (#54)
What does this have to do with anything here? Lame
#66. To: Elliott Jackalope (#26)
=============== "With Usura" by Ezra Pound. Radical ideas like that got Ezra committed to St. Eizabeth's mental hospital.
Yes, usury saps the will to life.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
#67. To: PSUSA (#57)
You must be right then.
I find myself in the rather uncomfortable position of agreeing with you, partially.
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