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Title: (NY State) May to go out under a freeze watch
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URL Source: http://www.uticaod.com/archive/x117 ... to-go-out-under-a-freeze-watch
Published: May 31, 2009
Author: Observer-Dispatch
Post Date: 2009-05-31 14:11:08 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: None
Views: 519
Comments: 37

The National Weather Service has issued a freeze watch for many parts of New York from Sunday through Monday morning, including Oneida County.

Widespread frost and freeze conditions are possible tonight and into early Monday morning.

The region’s low temperature for today is expected to be about 36 degrees, which also is the record low temperature for May 31, according to WKTV meteorologists and weather archives.

The record was set in 1966.

A low of 50 degrees is expected for Monday.

The record low for June 1 is 31 degrees, which was set in 1945, according to weather archives.

Poster Comment:

The science of global warming is over. It's freezing.

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#4. To: Jethro Tull, *Agriculture-Environment* (#0)

Widespread frost and freeze conditions are possible tonight and into early Monday morning.

Quote from a friend on climate forum:

If the international panel of experts led by NOAA and sponsored by NASA keeps making predictions, sooner or later nature will have to cooperate and they get to claim that their prediction was correct.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/29may_noaaprediction.htm?list122379

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/08/noaa-swpc-solar-cycle-24-prediction-update-released-may-8-2009/

Now they are predicting that Solar Cycle 24 will be weak and peak in May 2013. I don't understand how they think that they can make such predictions right now. The last time solar activity was similar was prior to around 1910. They really don't have much empirical data to base predictions on. I suspect that they are just guessing.

A normal cycle is approximately 11 years long. That suggests that from the minimum to the maximum would be 5.5 years. A prediction that we will go from end of an unusually long cycle 23, to the peak of cycle 24 (which hasn't really started yet) in 4 years doesn't seem reasonable but we will see.

A Cycle 24 peak around 2016 or beyond would seem more reasonable to me. That would suggest a Cycle 25 peak around 2027. If that cycle is as weak as predicted, then the end of this solar minimum could not occur until we are well into Cycle 26 with a peak as late as 2038. But the Dalton Minimum was three weak cycles in a row. If climate follows that pattern, the current minimum might not end until we (well you younger guys at least) are well into the 2040's.

When NASA's David Hathaway reported [05/10/2006] that the sun's conveyor belt had slowed to record levels, that suggested that the game had changed. Hathaway predicted that Cycle 24 would be strong and Cycle 25 would be very weak. I remember wondering at the time how cycle 24 could be so strong with the solar conveyor so slow.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/10may_longrange.htm

He said "We've never seen speeds so low." He also said "The slowdown we see now means that Solar Cycle 25, peaking around the year 2022, could be one of the weakest in centuries." Let's hope that he is wrong about that as well.

A team led by Mausumi Dikpata (National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) predicted in March of 2006:

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/10mar_stormwarning.htm

"The next sunspot cycle [24] will be 30% to 50% stronger than the previous one," she says. If correct, the years ahead could produce a burst of solar activity second only to the historic Solar Max of 1958." Obviously that prediction was probably about as wrong as it could be.

An extended solar minimum suggests a long term cooling trend. That ought to be big news. Why isn't it?

farmfriend  posted on  2009-05-31   14:19:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

An extended solar minimum suggests a long term cooling trend. That ought to be big news. Why isn't it?

Because that is a natural phenomenon that we have no control over, therefore there is no public guilt associated with it. So instead, the intelligentsia gains power over the masses by talking up greenhouse gasses and other things that do have a guilt associated with them.

Sonovademocrat  posted on  2009-05-31   14:31:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#6. To: Sonovademocrat (#5)

Can't tax the sun. Not yet anyway.

farmfriend  posted on  2009-05-31 14:44:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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