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Title: In speech in Cairo, Barack Obama seeks 'common ground' with Islam - Quotes Koran, Mentions 9-1-1
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Politico
URL Source: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23334.html
Published: Jun 4, 2009
Author: MIKE ALLEN | 6/4/09 8:55 AM EDT Text Siz
Post Date: 2009-06-04 09:09:30 by HAPPY2BME-4UM
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Title: BLING TIME FOR PREZ Ñ0; fit for a king or a rap mogul URL Source: http://www.nypost.com/seven/06042009/news/worldnews/bling_time_for_prez_172515.htm President Obama was awarded Saudi Arabia's highest honor yesterday -- an elaborate gold necklace and medallion fit for a king or a rap mogul. "Goodness gracious, that's something there," an awestruck Obama said when a royal aide approached him with the massive chain. A beaming King Abdullah -- who hosted Obama in an ornate meeting room decked out with opulent chandeliers, marble columns and engraved mirrors -- presented the gift to the president. "Those are only given to the very few friends of the king, and you are certainly one of those," Abdullah said. Obama ducked slightly to allow the shorter man to drape the chain -- officially called the King Abdul Aziz Order of Merit -- around his neck. "I consider the king's friendship a great blessing, and I am very appreciative that he would bestow this honor on me during this visit," said Obama, who was on his first state visit to Saudi Arabia. Under federal rules, Obama must report the gift and is required to eventually turn it over to the National Archives or another federal institution. He smiled and posed for pics in his new bling, but took it off after a few minutes for "safekeeping."
This reminds me of a classic 50s SciFi classic, the one where the flying saucer lands in Washington, DC and the aluminum coated robot comes down the ramp and addresses the world in their own language. I'm thinking "The Day the Earth Stood Still."
Excellent words, which time will prove to be just as hollow as those he spoke while campaigning.
#4 - bottom photo. Whut's DAT around DUBBIE'S neck? Look familiar?
Obama will probably give him a Lewinsky for that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. That time will prove to be very short indeed if we continue to pound enclaves in a sovereign nation like Pakistan and the Israeli right shows itself to be immune to his persuasions. When inflation hits here with Category 5 force winds as some economists forecast, he's going to have his hands so full domestically that all the glittering forays to Berlin, London, Cairo and Riyadh will be but distant memories.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. And what particular act of merit have these men done to earn this kingly award? Or is it more what they will do in the future?? Hmmm...?
By the way, let me say that I find it repugnant that an American president accept an decoration like this, whether or not it ends up in the National Archives. A golden chain is still a chain.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. I agree completely - this whole thing seems to be spiraling out of anyone's control.
Yes, it's a CHAIN!! Chain, chain, chain, Chain you can believe in.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. =============================== Agreed in secret to sell their nation's inheritance and wealth to the Saudi Royal Family.
We have a winner!!!!
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Very pretty. "Saudi gaudy" as they say.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. What you mean "us," Kenya Sabe?
In case you haven't been officially informed, we're all "People of the Book" now. That means we have to listen to the exhortations from not one but THREE holy books at public events now. Time to turn off the cable.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. Cat Stevens will have to do the next Super Bowl halftime show.
oh, yeah. where's that jpg of obama morphing into bush?
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
Lying POS. This alien/markist is as culpable for the criminal acts of 911 as the Bush/Cheney junta, and like them should suffer the same fate.....trial, conviction and public execution.
Interesting. Wonder if Clinton received one too?
Nice chain...wonder how much it will fetch on eBay?
“So let there be no doubt: the situation for the Palestinian people is intolerable,” he said. “America will not turn our backs on the legitimate Palestinian aspiration for dignity, opportunity, and a state of their own.” In remarks that will likely rankle some supporters of Israel in the U.S. Congress, he added: “Israelis must acknowledge that just as Israel’s right to exist cannot be denied, neither can Palestine’s. The United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. This construction violates previous agreements and undermines efforts to achieve peace. It is time for these settlements to stop. Israel must also live up to its obligations to ensure that Palestinians can live, and work, and develop their society.” Hear Hear!
LOL! KENYA Sabe indeed. Good one.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You're right ... it's the twilight zone !
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces. De La Boétie
Some Mideast intellectuals today, including Rami Khouri, editor at large of the Lebanon Daily Star (see agenceglobal.com) are happy about the speech, but are expressing concerns about its language. The concern is that many peoples live in the Mideast, and they just happen to be Islamic. Khouri talked of his own Christianity. He wants Americans to see the Mideast as a region with certain common problems, rather than a monolithic group of Muslims. Khouri's main point was that Obama talked too much about Isalm in terms of continued, assumed divisions, even if he were trying to improve the situation. The buzz is that peoples across the Islamic world are for the most part living in tyrannical dictatorships linked to the present global order. Others have criticized Obama for speaking in Egypt, a police state which we help finance in order to facilitate peace with Israel. These are profound observations, and I think it shows Obama's continuing reliance on "Clash of Civilizations" thinking. I'll note that Khouri was interrupted by the host of NPR. Perhaps that was inevitable due to timing, but I resented the fact that a significant point was being made and NPR didn't have time to hear it out. Randge's observations that there are divisions in the west appear to be supported by this speech.
Very good!
What Obamination BLATANTLY failed to point out:
Compare that to those who have been executed in the US because they were practicing some non approved form of Christianity.... NOTE TO SELF: Don't use Star Of David on blue background for my sect's flag....(Branch Davidians)
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These are hot topics, and I like to be cool when discussing them. Or at least be accurate. There is no sentence of death for not being a Muslim in Muslim lands. The ultimate sanction may be applied in many of those lands (not all of them) for apostasy. "Today apostasy is punishable by death in the countries of Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Qatar, Yemen, Iran, Sudan, Afghanistan and Mauritania" - Wiki. That means once a Muslim, always a Muslim. It's like being made in the Mob. (Just when I thought I was out... they pull me back in. ...) Seriously though, there is an element of coersion here that runs counter to our modern conceptions of freedom of conscience. And I will remind you, as I remind people over at that other place, these are very modern ideas. A couple of hundred years ago, if one of your forefathers had woken up in his bed in some European village (assuming you have European forefathers) and said to himself, "Hey, I don't wanna be a Christian any more." he would have been in some deep shit. He might as well have hung himself from a stout beam in his cottage. "Excommunicate yourself? Are you out of your mind??" No one in Christendom would - or could - have done business with you. They might well have burned you for a witch. You probably know what it says in the Bible better than I do H2, maybe you can enlighten us about what Scripture says regarding apostasy. I don't believe that there are explicit sanctions for it, but you know it would have been dealt with rather harshly in the West, until rather recent times. The thing about Islam is that Mohammed made up for the fact that the Bible is kind of loose about a lot of things. The genius in the words of the Gospel is that its primary aim is to establish first principles by which we live, rather than a set of complex strictures which you might find in, say, the Talmud. The Koran is a very literal document in which you read God, or Gabriel, depending on the verse, laying out explicit rules about what to do and what not to do and what the punishments are for not following the rules. A lot of it is in the imperative mood, and so repetitively so that I often find it boring reading. But as explicit as the Koran is, the sanction of death for leaving Islam seems to be based on this verse in the second surah of the Koran: You can see that there is generous room for interpretation here. And religious religious scholars, authoritative theologians have disagreed about what it means. See Wiki: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apos tasy_in_Islam Here is more than you ever want to know about apostasy in Islam from the above: The four major Sunni Madh'hab (schools of Islamic jurisprudence) all agree that apostasy is the gravest sin in Islam and require the application of the death penalty as long as the individual does not do so in ignorance or under duress, except for tha Hanafi school which regards women to be exempt[1][2]. They also differentiate between harmful apostasy and harmless apostasy[3] (also known as major and minor apostasy)[4]. According to Wael Hallaq nothing of the apostasy law are derived from the Qur'an,[5] although the jurist al-Shafi'i interpreted the Qu'ranic verse 2:217 as providing the main evidence for apostasy being a capital crime in Islam.[6] Some Islamic jurists, such as Hanafi jurist Sarakhsi,[7] Maliki jurist Abu al- Walid al-Baji, and Hanbali jurist Ibn Taymiyyah,[8] and some contemporary Islamic jurists, such as Shafi`i Grand Mufti Ali Gomaa[9][10] and Shi'a Grand Ayatollah Hossein-Ali Montazeri,[11] argued or issued fatwas that either the changing of religion is not punishable or is only punishable under restricted circumstances[12][13][14][15] Some groups within Islam such as the Shi'a Ismaili reject death for apostasy altogether. Some prominent contemporary examples of death sentences threatened or issued for apostasy include Salman Rushdie, who was condemned to death in 1989 by Ayatollah Khomeini,[16] (ruler of Iran at the time) for his book The Satanic Verses; and Abdul Rahman, an Afghan convert to Christianity who was arrested and jailed on the charge of rejecting Islam in 2006 but later released as mentally incompetent.[17] This article is a good read, and I suggest that you take a look at the end of the article where many particular cases of apostasy are discussed. I think you'll see that much of the hell apostates get in modern Muslim countries comes about through the acts of vigilantes rather than through judicial action. I'll leave you at the end of this long post with this case in The Mohammed Hegazy case, shows the huge problems in that country for those wishing to leave Islam and be recognised as a member of another religion - where Hegazy has suffered death threats from family and prominent Islamic figures alike. A Judge ruled "He (Hegazy) can believe whatever he wants in his heart, but on paper he can’t convert." He is the first Egyptian Muslim convert to Christianity to seek official recognition of his conversion from the Egyptian Government. In February 2009, a second case came to court, of convert to Christianity Maher Ahmad El-Mo’otahssem Bellah El-Gohary, whose effort to officially convert to Christianity, faced opposing lawyers who advocated he be convicted of “apostasy,” or leaving Islam, and sentenced to death. “Our rights in Egypt, as Christians or converts, are less than the rights of animals,” El-Gohary said. “We are deprived of social and civil rights, deprived of our inheritance and left to the fundamentalists to be killed. Nobody bothers to investigate or care about us.” El-Gohary, 56, has been attacked in the street, spat at and knocked down in his effort to win the right to officially convert. He said he and his 14-year-old daughter continue to receive death threats by text message and phone call. [54] Let me say in conclusion I find such actions on the part of any authority repugnant. Should such laws come into force in my country I should be forced to take up my rifle with along with my compatriots and entirely extirpate such oppression from the land.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. Good discussion. I'll get back to you on this. Are you a Muslim?
In no wise. As I explained to the hard heads over on the othah site, I only got interested in the subject because I lived in M.E. and because I'm interested in history & current events. It's not being a non-Muslim in those countries so much as it is leaving it. That's verboten. Some of the oldest congregations of Christians are in Iraq, that is if the current chaos there hasn't driven them out. There are Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians and a host of crazy, exotic forms worship that hardly anyone here is aware of in those countries. But you practically always have to inherit the right to practice those religions from your parents. Those religious minorities in Muslim countries are like mini-nations sometimes fighting for their survival.
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star-of-david.blogspot.co...e.html#117042027609895057 Picture of David Koresh flag/This flag was flown by the Branch Davidians over the Mount Carmel Center during the 1993 Waco Siege. I wonder if the rumor is true that the Israelis had complained about Koresh's cult?
How is this a problem for us? Be specific please.
Moral of the story: Don't mess with dynamite if ya got a screw loose.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. It's easy to tell the difference between a cult and a traditional religion. Just ask CNN or Fox news. They'll inform and promptly.
I wouldn't ast those bastards, Deasy, I would ask you. I'm sure you would have something intelligent to say about it.
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Source: NY Post
Published: Jun 4, 2009
Author: JENNIFER FERMINO
Post Date: 2009-06-04 08:37:12 by 
TESTS HIS MEDAL: President Obama yesterday removes for
"safekeeping" the gold Saudi Order of Merit that he just received.
#2. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#0)
In remarks being translated live for broadcasts and Webcasts in every major language
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#4. To: All (#1)
King Abdullah: You're my number one bitch,now. 
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#6. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#1)
A beaming King Abdullah -- who hosted Obama in an ornate meeting room decked out with opulent chandeliers, marble columns and engraved mirrors -- presented the gift to the president.
Lord Acton
#7. To: lodwick (#3)
Excellent words, which time will prove to be just as hollow as those he spoke while campaigning.
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#9. To: lodwick (#3)
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#11. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#5)
Whut's DAT around DUBBIE'S neck? Look familiar?
Chain of fools.
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#12. To: Jethro Tull (#8)
And what particular act of merit have these men done to earn this kingly award?
#13. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#12)
#14. To: randge (#11)
CHAIN YOU CAN BELIEVE IN
#15. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#14)
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#16. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#0)
As the Holy Koran tells us
I've already said too much.
#17. To: MUDDOG (#16)
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#18. To: randge (#17)
That means we have to listen to the exhortations from not one but THREE holy books at public events now.
I've already said too much.
#19. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#5)
Whut's DAT around DUBBIE'S neck? Look familiar?
#20. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#0)
“But let us be clear: al Qaeda killed nearly 3,000 people on that day.”
#21. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#5)
Whut's DAT around DUBBIE'S neck? Look familiar?
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#22. To: farmfriend (#21)
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#23. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#0)
The administration has been signaling a tougher line with Israel, and Obama made remarks that can be taken as sympathetic to Palestinians for what he called “the daily humiliations – large and small – that come with occupation.”
#24. To: MUDDOG (#16)
What you mean "us," Kenya Sabe?
Lord Acton
#25. To: lodwick (#10)
I agree completely - this whole thing seems to be spiraling out of anyone's control.
#26. To: noone222 (#25)
I love that show -
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#29. To: Deasy, odwick, HOUNDDAWG, randge, christine (#27)
ISLAMIC NATIONS ARE THE ONLY ONES ON EARTH THAT CARRY A DEATH SENTENCE FOR * NOT * BEING A MUSLIM
#30. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#29)
ISLAMIC NATIONS ARE THE ONLY ONES ON EARTH THAT CARRY A DEATH SENTENCE FOR * NOT * BEING A MUSLIM
#31. To: HOUNDDAWG (#30)
Compare that to those who have been executed in the US because they were practicing some non approved form of Christianity....
What?
#32. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#29)
(Edited)
ISLAMIC NATIONS ARE THE ONLY ONES ON EARTH THAT CARRY A DEATH SENTENCE FOR * NOT * BEING A MUSLIM
2:217 They question thee (O Muhammad) with regard to warfare in the sacred month. Say: Warfare therein is a great (transgression), but to turn (men) from the way of Allah, and to disbelieve in Him and in the Inviolable Place of Worship, and to expel His people thence, is a greater with Allah; for persecution is worse than killing. And they will not cease from fighting against you till they have made you renegades from your religion, if they can. And whoso becometh a renegade and dieth in his disbelief: such are they whose works have fallen both in the world and the Hereafter. Such are rightful owners of the Fire: they will abide therein.
Apostasy in Islam (Arabic: 5;ž5;8;ž3;5;ž3;, irtidd or ridda46;) is commonly defined as the rejection in word or deed of their former religion (apostasy) by a person who was previously a follower of Islam.
Egypt
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#34. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#33)
Are you a Muslim?
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#36. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM, HOUNDDAWG, randge (#31)
#37. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#29)
What Obamination BLATANTLY failed to point out:
#38. To: Deasy (#36)
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#40. To: Deasy (#39)
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