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This is the official position of the Jehovah's Witnesses on what are called the 'Jews.'

Jews

Definition: As commonly used today, the term refers to people of Hebrew descent and others who have been converted to Judaism. The Bible also draws attention to the fact that there are Christians who are Jews spiritually and who make up “the Israel of God.”

Are the natural Jews today God’s chosen people?

That is the belief of many Jews. Says the Encyclopaedia Judaica (Jerusalem, 1971, Vol. 5, col. 498): “CHOSEN PEOPLE, a common designation for the people of Israel, expressing the idea that the people of Israel stands in a special and unique relationship to the universal deity. This idea has been a central one throughout the history of Jewish thought.”—See Deuteronomy 7:6-8; Exodus 19:5.

Many in Christendom hold similar views. The “Religion” section of the Atlanta Journal and Constitution (January 22, 1983, p. 5-B) reported: “Contrary to the churches’ centuries-old teachings that God had ‘cast off his people Israel’ and replaced them with a ‘new Israel,’ he [Paul M. Van Buren, theologian at Temple University in Philadelphia] says churches now affirm that ‘the covenant between God and the Jewish people is eternal. This amazing reversal has been made by Protestants and Catholics, on both sides of the Atlantic.’” The New York Times (February 6, 1983, p. 42) added: “‘There is a fascination on the part of the evangelical right with Israel and a belief that everything Israel does must be supported, because God is on Israel’s side,’ said Timothy Smith, a professor of theology at Johns Hopkins University and a Wesleyan evangelical.” Some in Christendom expect the conversion and ultimate salvation of all natural Israel. Others take the view that there has always been an inseparable bond between God and Israel, so they reason that it is only the Gentiles who are to be reconciled through Christ.

Consider: Following the Babylonian exile, when Israel was restored to its land, the people were to restore true worship in their God-given land. One of the first projects undertaken was the rebuilding of Jehovah’s temple in Jerusalem. However, since the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 C.E., the temple has never been rebuilt. Instead, in the former temple area stands an Islamic shrine. If the Jews, who say they are under the Mosaic Law, were today in Jerusalem as God’s chosen people, would not the temple devoted to his worship have been rebuilt?

Matt. 21:42, 43: “Jesus said to them [the chief priests and the older men of the Jews in Jerusalem]: ‘Did you never read in the Scriptures, “The stone that the builders rejected is the one that has become the chief cornerstone. From Jehovah this has come to be, and it is marvelous in our eyes”? This is why I say to you, The kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits.’”

Matt. 23:37, 38: “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the killer of the prophets and stoner of those sent forth to her,—how often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks together under her wings! But you people did not want it. Look! Your house is abandoned to you.”

Does God’s covenant with Abraham give assurance that the Jews continue to be the chosen people of God?

Gal. 3:27-29: “All of you who were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor freeman, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one person in union with Christ Jesus. Moreover, if you belong to Christ, you are really Abraham’s seed, heirs with reference to a promise.” (So, from God’s standpoint, it is no longer natural descent from Abraham that determines who are Abraham’s seed.)

Will all the Jews be converted to faith in Christ and attain to eternal salvation?

Rom. 11:25, 26: “I do not want you, brothers, to be ignorant of this sacred secret, in order for you not to be discreet in your own eyes: that a dulling of sensibilities has happened in part to Israel until the full number of people of the nations has come in, and in this manner [“this is how,” TEV; “thus,” CC, By; Greek, hou´tos] all Israel will be saved.” (Notice that the saving of “all Israel” is accomplished, not by conversion of all the Jews, but by the ‘coming in’ of people from Gentile nations. Some translators render verse 26: “And then after this the rest of Israel will be saved.” But A Manual Greek Lexicon of the New Testament [Edinburgh, 1937, G. Abbott-Smith, p. 329] defines hou´tos as meaning “in this way, so, thus.”)

To arrive at a correct understanding of what is recorded at Romans 11:25, 26, we should also take into account these earlier statements in Romans: “He is not a Jew who is one on the outside, nor is circumcision that which is on the outside upon the flesh. But he is a Jew who is one on the inside, and his circumcision is that of the heart by spirit, and not by a written code.” (2:28, 29) “Not all who spring from Israel are really ‘Israel.’”—9:6.

Is it necessary for Jews to put faith in Jesus Christ in order to be saved?

Isaiah 53:1-12 foretold the death of the Messiah ‘to bear the sins of many and to make intercession for the transgressors.’ Daniel 9:24-27 connected the coming of the Messiah and his death with ‘making an end of sin and forgiving iniquity.’ (JP) Both passages show that the Jews were in need of such intercession and forgiveness. Could they expect to reject the Messiah and have the approval of the One who sent him?

Acts 4:11, 12: “[Regarding Jesus Christ, the apostle Peter was moved by holy spirit to say to the Jewish rulers and older men in Jerusalem:] This is ‘the stone that was treated by you builders as of no account that has become the head of the corner.’ Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.” (Although the nation of natural Israel no longer enjoys special divine favor, the way is open to individual Jews, as it is to people of all nations, to benefit from the salvation that is made possible through Jesus the Messiah.)

Are the events taking place in Israel today in fulfillment of Bible prophecy?

Ezek. 37:21, 22, JP: “Thus saith the Lord GOD: Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, whither they are gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land; and I will make them one nation in the land, upon the mountains of Israel, and one king shall be king to them all.” (Israel today is not a nation under a king of the royal line of David. Theirs is a republic.)

Isa. 2:2-4, JP: “It shall come to pass in the end of days, that the mountain of the LORD’S house shall be established as the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many peoples shall go and say: ‘Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and He will teach us of His ways, and we will walk in His paths.’ . . . And they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning-hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.” (In Jerusalem today, where the temple was formerly located there is no “house of the God of Jacob,” but, instead, an Islamic shrine. And there is no move on the part of Israel or its neighbors to “beat their swords into plowshares.” They depend for survival on military preparedness.)

Isa. 35:1, 2, JP: “The wilderness and the parched land shall be glad; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose. It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice, even with joy and singing; the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon; they shall see the glory of the LORD, the excellency of our God.” (Remarkable reforestation and irrigation projects have been successfully undertaken in Israel. But its leaders do not give credit to the Lord God. As a former premier, David Ben-Gurion, said: “Israel is determined . . . to conquer the desert and make it flourish by the power of science and the pioneering spirit, and to transform the country into a bastion of democracy.”)

Zech. 8:23, JP: “In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold, out of all the languages of the nations, shall even take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying: We will go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.” (To what God does the prophecy refer? In the Hebrew language his name [•7;•2;•3;•2;, commonly translated Jehovah] appears over 130 times in this one book of the Holy Scriptures. Today when someone uses that name, do people conclude that the person must be a Jew? No; for many centuries, superstition has caused the Jewish people as a whole to refrain from ever uttering God’s personal name. The upsurge of religious interest concerning natural Israel today does not fit this prophecy.)

How, then, are events in modern-day Israel to be viewed? Merely as part of global developments foretold in the Bible. These include war, lawlessness, cooling off of love for God, and the love of money.—Matt. 24:7, 12; 2 Tim. 3:1-5.

Among whom do the prophecies about restoration of Israel have fulfillment today?

Gal. 6:15, 16: “Neither is circumcision anything nor is uncircumcision, but a new creation is something. And all those who will walk orderly by this rule of conduct, upon them be peace and mercy, even upon the Israel of God.” (So “the Israel of God” is no longer determined on the basis of conforming to the requirement laid upon Abraham for all the males of his household to be circumcised. Rather, as stated at Galatians 3:26-29, those who belong to Christ and who are spirit-begotten sons of God “are really Abraham’s seed.”)

Jer. 31:31-34: “‘Look! There are days coming,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘and I will conclude with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant . . . And they will no more teach each one his companion and each one his brother, saying, “Know Jehovah!” for they will all of them know me, from the least one of them even to the greatest one of them,’ is the utterance of Jehovah.” (That new covenant was made, not with the nation of natural Israel, but with the loyal followers of Jesus Christ to whom hope of heavenly life was being extended. When instituting the Memorial of his death, Jesus gave them a cup of wine and said: “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood.” [1 Cor. 11:25])

Rev. 7:4: “I heard the number of those who were sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel.” (But in the verses that follow, mention is made of “the tribe of Levi” and “the tribe of Joseph.” These were not included in lists of the 12 tribes of natural Israel. Interestingly, while it is said that people would be “sealed out of every tribe,” the tribes of Dan and Ephraim are not mentioned. [Compare Numbers 1:4-16.] Reference must here be made to the spiritual Israel of God, to those whom Revelation 14:1-3 shows will share with Christ in his heavenly Kingdom.)

Heb. 12:22: “You have approached a Mount Zion and a city of the living God, heavenly Jerusalem, and myriads of angels.” (Thus it is not to earthly Jerusalem but to “heavenly Jerusalem” that true Christians look for fulfillment of the promises of God.)

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Heb. 12:22: “You have approached a Mount Zion and a city of the living God, heavenly Jerusalem, and myriads of angels.” (Thus it is not to earthly Jerusalem but to “heavenly Jerusalem” that true Christians look for fulfillment of the promises of God.)

Bump to read later...the above caught my eye....and it is misleading...The Jews keep Christians looking to the sky, when God promised them their ultimate kingdom would be on earth, the same place the Jews' kingdom was supposed to be, until Jesus told them the kingdom would be taken from them and given to a NATION bearing the fruits thereof. Just ONE other place this is revealed:

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

kingjbible.com/revelation/5.htm

sorry I have to run.

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-06-08   9:09:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#2)

God promised them their ultimate kingdom would be on earth

This is correct, BUT.... the government will be in Heaven. There will be no more raising up one man above another. EVER. All will be equal, and the reasons for wars and conflict will no longer exist.

richard9151  posted on  2009-06-08   10:32:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: richard9151 (#5)

This is correct, BUT.... the government will be in Heaven. There will be no more raising up one man above another. EVER. All will be equal,

scripture, please.

the government will be in Heaven.

Matthew 13:24 Jesus presented another parable to them, saying ... He presented another parable to them, saying, "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field. ... bible.cc/matthew/13-24.htm

Matthew 13:38The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

bible.cc/matthew/13-38.htm

http://kingjbible.com/matthew/13.htm

Exodus 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. bible.cc/exodus/19-6.htm

Isaiah 65:15 "And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: ... bible.cc/isaiah/65-15.htm

Matthew 21:19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away. bible.cc/matthew/21-19.htm

Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I to you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. bible.cc/matthew/21-43.htm

John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

http://kingjbible.com/john/15.htm

1 Peter 2:9 **** But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that you should show forth the praises of him who has called you out of darkness into his marvelous light; bible.cc/1_peter/2-9.htm

Revelation 1:6 and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father-- to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

out in space somewhere? no.....

Revelation 5:10 "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth."

If the whole world knew Christ, I would have no problem with ALL being equal. I have no desire to be a king OR a priest...I'd rather garden or be a hermit :}. But until that day, if it ever comes, here is what the Bible says:

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. http://kingjbible.com/revelation/22.htm

Zechariah 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. 18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

http://kingjbible.com/zechariah/14.htm

What's the Feast of Tabernacles? I'm not up on that, so I quickly looked it up. Here's what one site says, but I believe we are living in the so-called "millennium" now. www.keyway.ca/htm2006/20061007.htm / www.bible.ca/pre-rev20-satan-bound.htm

There will be no more raising up one man above another. EVER. All will be equal,

reminds me of this:

Gen 37:10 — And he told [it] to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What [is] this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?

http://www.blueletterbible.org/s...cfm?b=Gen&c=37&v=10&t=KJV

[Actually, scroll down to Isaiah 60:14 hmmmm..... http://www.blueletterbible.org/s...cfm?b=Isa&c=60&v=14&t=KJV ]

Dan was one of the brothers that sold Joseph into slavery. Their symbol was the serpent/EAGLE....ring a bell? www.jesus-is-savior.com/E...m/satan_on_our_dollar.htm

I repeat; the hope of Ephraim and Dan is in Christ: bible.cc/isaiah/11-13.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-06-08   15:40:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Tom said (June 6, 2009):

I believe the jewish influence into British royalty goes back much further than we have been lead to believe..Check out this wonderful expose of the Queens coronation and the "Jewish ties" to this ancient ritual ceremony..

http://video.google.com/videopla...on&hl=en&client=firefox-a ......

Dan was one of the brothers that sold Joseph into slavery. Their symbol was the serpent/EAGLE....ring a bell? http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/E...m/satan_on_our_dollar.htm

Eagle at minutes 4:55 to 6:55

http://video.google.com/videopla...on&hl=en&client=firefox-a

Commentary - 03/04/2009

The Crown and The Eagle: Is U.S.A. Being Used? http://greatreddragon.com/

ISRAEL'S SYMBOLS. And. HERALDRY. The Symbols of Israel The Heraldry of Israel The following table contains fact, and not-so fact. I have been compiling this ... www.asis.com/~stag/symbols.html [They left out this: The emblem of the Eagle was substituted for the Serpent by the Tribe of Dan, ... .Jacob had compared Dan to a serpent. Ahiezer substituted the eagle, ... www.watch.pair.com/mason.html and www.watch.pair.com/dan.html ]

THE GREAT SEAL OF THE UNITED STATES. www.asis.com/~stag/seal.html [tremendous amount of false doctrine here.]

The Lost Tribe of Dan. E. The Eagle. 1. Tribe of Dan. "Dan's position in the journey was on the North of .... www.watch.pair.com/dan.html

Masonic Foundations of the U.S. .... The emblem of the Eagle was substituted for the Serpent by the Tribe of Dan, ... .Jacob had compared Dan to a serpent. Ahiezer substituted the eagle, ... www.watch.pair.com/mason.html

Royal US Presidents www.asis.com/users/stag/uspres.html

=================================

# THE ROYAL HOUSE OF BRITAIN It was Zarah's family that ruled for over a 100 years in Egypt after Joseph's death, ... To do this they had to conquer their cousins of the tribe of Dan; ... www.asis.com/~stag/royalty.html

Royal US Presidents. The Milesian kings were Zarah Judahites who originated in Egypt and **** left prior to the Exodus in ships owned by the Tuatha de Danaan (Tribe of Dan). ... www.asis.com/~stag/uspres.html

31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. 37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. 38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. 40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil? 49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me. 50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth. 51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. 52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. 53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? 54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: 55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

bible.cc/john/8-33.htm / kingjbible.com/john/8.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2009-06-08   16:29:00 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#8)

ISRAEL'S SYMBOLS. And. HERALDRY.

Why o why do you harp on this 'stuff'? IT MATTERS NOT A WHIT!!!

You are simply concerned about animalistic men who are going off into destruction! WHO CARES ABOUT ENGLAND!! It is a cess pool, and not worth space to talk about!

richard9151  posted on  2009-06-08   18:34:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: richard9151 (#10)

Richard:

Please take me off bozo. I want to convert.

I own a house, two cars, a tent and a wife.

All are yours.

Please call Tom at your convenience.

215-888-6969

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-06-08   18:39:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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Kin I get in on this??

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