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Title: Follow Christ, Reject "Christianity"
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URL Source: http://whtt.org/index.php?news=2&id=3115
Published: Jun 13, 2009
Author: Charles E. Carlson
Post Date: 2009-06-13 19:09:13 by robnoel
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Comments: 30
The evangelical church’s stated reason for supporting the US serial attacks on Islamic nations is "Muslim militancy.” The Christian Right’s leaders have managed to read far enough into a Qur’an to find passages about conflict with other tribes in the 7th Century when the book was scribed. One evangelical pastor put is this way in a recent conversation with your author: “I respect Islamic scholars and I respect many of them for their life style, but there is no way of getting away from the Militancy of Islam. It is built upon conversion by conquest.” The more aggressive Celebrity Christians now use the term "islamo-fascist" a new favorite fad term at the “Christians United for Israel" first "Washington-Israel Summit" as Dan Jennejohn reported: “Amidst plenty of the celebratory song and dance usually associated with evangelical meetings and a three-course meal was served to over 2,000 attendees, a series of prominent religious and political speakers got up to promise unquestioning support for the state of Israel.” They often suggest, if not assert outright, that the same militancy we hear about in the Middle East is planned by the Mosque down the street toward . Similar thinking is found in my private mailbox sent by well-meaning friends who are themselves Judeo, or dispensational “Christians.” No evangelical I have ever met admits that he is at open war against Islam, it is always Islam who is the aggressor, and he is acting out of enlightened self-defense. Pat Robertson told his “700 Club” audience Wednesday that he traveled to northern Israel in a show of support for the Jewish state. In a show last week Robertson gleefully stated “he had been waiting for decades for this (wars)” But he later he retracted his end times bloody prophesy and denied that the war signified the Armageddon that some Christians believe will precede the Second Coming of Jesus. It is true that Muslims are dying every day in battle and they are taking enemies with them at the rate of one adversary for every five to ten Muslims, depending on the theater of conflict. But the issue that is never discussed is who owns the battlefield. In every modern case the battle is being fought on Muslim turf. Muslims were invaded first, not the other way around. Gaza, the West Bank, Iraq, Lebanon, Chechnya, Bosnia, Kosovo are a few good examples of Muslim holy wars where they were invaded, and every battle has been fought entirely on Muslim territory. Exceptions are guerrilla activities, which we will list later less we be accused of ignoring the exceptions. The World Trade Center is offered as an exception to the rule, but it is falling increasingly under question as history plays out the facts that have been denied to us. Roughly half of American now suspect that government had some roll in day 911 tragedy. Eventually, when it no longer matters, we will learn that acts by our government precipitated the WTC bombing, or at the very least some knew about in advance and carefully neglected its prevention. But for now we will call it an exception, it did happen on US land, but it is the exception that proves the rule; wars are fought on Muslim turf. While I agree there are plenty of words in the Qur’an that pertain to both offensive and defensive warfare, we do not judge others for their tactics of the distant past, else Jews and “Christians” would both have a lot to explain. What about the Hebrew slaughters of the Old Testament; the Crusades of the Catholic Church starting in the 11th Century and running for over two hundred years; what about the inquisitions of the 1400’s; what about protestant reformer John Calvin treatment of his adversary; how do we followers of Christ explain the Salem witch hunts; where were our churches during the slave heyday right after our Constitution was ratified? Is there really anything in the history of Islam that is worse than events about those who claimed to be “Christians” in the past? But worse than any of these recorded “Christian” brutality in ancient history is the modern record of the bloody handed warmongering by the Christian Right in our the last decade of the 20th Century and the beginning of the new age when the Crusades against Islam came to life under “Christian” support. Those who are always throwing rocks at “militant Muslims” are forcing the serial wars against Muslims as surely as Pope Urban II forced the Crusades upon France. Worse yet the evangelical church does not even fight its own battles, it watches as its government pays mercenaries to do it for them! At least the Crusaders took their own horses, wagon and swords to Jerusalem to fight infidels so “Jesus could return.” Today’s Christian Right leaders expect the rest of us taxpayers to hire mercenary armies of Israelis and our own all paid military to kill Muslims for them. “Christian” leaders like Pat Robertson amass huge fortunes and from politically favored NGO’s (non-government organizations) to dip into the taxpayers’ contributions when reconstruction time comes to Iraq and Palestine and Afghanistan. We pay for Pat’s share of our mercenary armies, while he and John Hagee enjoy tax-exempt status at almost every level. We pay for the rockets and missiles that they campaign for on tax-exempt TV and radio broadcasts. At least the Muslims fight and die in their own wars on their own lands. For instance, Muslim Iraq, which is very poor indeed, has pledged 60 million dollars of its diminished oil revenue to support Hezbollah in Lebanon. If Iraq gives the money, it is Muslims sacrificing for Muslims, with a minority of non-Muslims who can scarcely object. Conversely, the American Congress, under heavy lobbying pressure from the “Christian Right” and the Jewish AIPAC pledged $2400 million (2.4 billion dollars) in military aid annually to Israel which funds are used to destroy Lebanon and Gaza. According to the polls about 85% of Americans still think they are in some way “Christians” but the leaders of the churches who do the lobbying for war are virtually 100% exempt from payment of property and income taxes, state and federal, so Celebrity Christian leaders do not even personally participate (as the rest of us do) in the cost of the wars they enable. We American non tax-exempt taxpayers pay for the chosen wars of the Christian Right, fought on Muslim soil. And after we have destroyed Lebanon, Gaza, Iraq, and Afghanistan, we taxpayers are to pay for rebuilding (at least a few band-aids and condolences) for the living. But “Christian” NGO’S, like Pat Robertson’s, will stand in line for the contracts to hand out the food and bandages to the Muslims still lucky enough to be alive. Conversion of the hungry and orphans, by offering food with prayers attached, is no different than conversion by the sword, which “Christians” accuse Islam of doing.” The rule we must not forget What makes some “Christians” so bloodthirsty toward Muslims? We Hold These Truths has unveiled this mystery and the answer and it is inescapably simple and totally consistent; those who favor war on Islam do it not for Muslim oil and their Muslim owned land, as we are often told, but for religion. They all, without exception, teach this biblical apostasy: “Israel is the fulfillment of Biblical prophesy,” -therefore, “Christians” feel they must support the prime enemy of Islam, Israel. They learned this theology in the recent history of world Zionism; it is the theology fostered and promoted by Zionists and taught to evangelicals to controls them. The answer to unwinding this unholy alliance of Warmakers and warring churches is to ask every churchgoer a simple question; are you a follower of Christ or of “Christian?” Christianity is a religion that has become associated with Christian-Zionism, an America invention. Jesus would challenge it, as he challenged the Pharisees of his day. Following Christ is a faith, not a religion, that does not allow room for hatred and killing...this makes it the most difficult of faiths.
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#1. To: robnoel (#0)
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I was with the author up until that point. It directly contradicts scripture. Mt 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. It's not difficult. Judgment is going to be a bitch. And, you dont have to hate those you kill. The disciples had weapons. Even the Romans didn't believe in sword control. .
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Huh?
I didnt write that quote. I just responded to it.
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You connect that with the 2nd amendment?
Love the Lord thy God with all your heart and all thy soul... Love thy neighbor as thyself. Really kinda simple.
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
I endured 1:38 of whatever that was. Goodness... I think she's cute, loddy, help me wrangle an introduction?
The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer
No. They are separate. Most people think that killing in self defense is verboten. It isn't. Christ did not come to bring peace, contrary to what is taught in "churches" today. Mat 10 34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. His disciples had swords. John 8:10 Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus. 11 Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it? Were they somehow unable to hide their weapons from Christ? Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Love the Lord thy God with all your heart and all thy soul... Love thy neighbor as thyself. Really kinda simple. Does that mean to just roll over and die? Everyone wants to live in peace. It is simple, when that "neighbor" has no intention of murdering you or someone near you. Otherwise it's not so simple. .
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You are taking that out of context sword means division most evangilicals use this as excuse for justifying going to war against Muslims....just a myth created by evangilical zionist's and Old Friend! The "full" quote, according to the New American Standard Bible (NASB) translation of the Bible, reads (Jesus speaking): "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)
I had a hangover so my head started banging at the 2 second mark !!!
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces. De La Boétie
I know that. That is not how I meant "sword" in that scripture. Most people think he came to make peace and unity. He didn't. But they did have swords, the literal kind.
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Followers in the modern movement have beaten their swords into AK-47s. Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces. De La Boétie
Question: "What does the Bible say about self-defense?" Answer: Without close study, the Bible can seem to give conflicting instructions on self-defense. There are numerous passages that speak of Christians being pacifistic (Proverbs 25:21,22; Matthew 5:39; Romans 12:17). And yet there are many passages that talk about war and violence that God approves of, such as David slaying Goliath (1 Samuel 17). Not to mention the fact that God commanded the Israelites to completely destroy everyone and everything in the Promised Land! So what is the conclusion? Is God for violence or not? Under what circumstances is self-defense appropriate? As with many questions in our lives, self-defense has to do with wisdom, understanding, and tact. For instance, in the Luke 22 passage stated above, Jesus does tell his disciples to get a sword. Jesus knew that now was the time when Jesus would be threatened (and later killed) and his followers would be threatened as well. Jesus was giving approval of the fact that one has the right to self-defense. Now just a few verses later we see Jesus being arrested and Peter takes a sword and cuts off someone’s ear. Jesus rebukes him for that act. Why? Peter was trying to stop something that Jesus had been telling His disciples was in fact going to happen. In other words, Peter was acting unwisely in the situation. He was trying to stop something that was not supposed to be stopped. We must be wise as to when to fight and when not to. As far as self-defense when one’s life or property is threatened, there is not a whole lot in the Bible concerning this. Exodus 22 does show quite a bit about God’s attitude towards self-defense. "If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so that he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed; but if it happens after sunrise, he is guilty of bloodshed. A thief must certainly make restitution, but if he has nothing, he must be sold to pay for his theft” (Exodus 22:2-3). Obviously here we see that when a thief breaks into someone’s house at night and that person defends his home and slays the thief, God does not hold that death over the defender’s head. However, God does not wish for anyone to take law into his or her own hands. This is why it is said that if a thief is struck down during the daylight the defender is guilty of bloodshed. Now this is speaking of thievery, not an attack. So if the thief were to attack the defender even during the day, self-defense would be justified. The proper use of self-defense has to do with wisdom, understanding, and tact. In many karate classes, one of the principles is: “Restrain your physical abilities by spiritual attainment.” This is a fancy way of saying that since one has the ability to bring great harm doesn’t mean he or she needs to use it. Just because we can break someone’s arm, doesn’t mean we need to use that ability. Just because we have a gun doesn’t mean we need to fire on someone who breaks into the home.
Nice! Did you refinish the woodwork? I'd like to get one, but I can't find any in decent shape.
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That is a well written article.
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Should of posted source which is from the same place as the original post
Traded my old (but like new) AR-15 [7.62 X 39] for it ... in da box ! I had to give another $500.00 on top of my rifle that I had purchased in 1993 for $776.00. This rifle could be mine but I'm not certain that it is ... looks exactly like it ! These are known as the "legend" have a milled receiver, bayonet, chrome lined barrel and a work of excellent craftsmanship.
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces. De La Boétie
The ditz factor overcame her cuteness here. Cute is fleeting - ditz is forever.
The greatest gun salesman ever is really driving up the prices. Yesterday I traded 2.4K for a NIB SW M/P AR (.223), tricked out with lights, laser, collapsible stock, 900 rounds, and I forget what else...seller was thinning his herd to get braces for his daughter's teef.
I'd say that you did rather well in the current market !!! The rifle [AK-47 Legend by Poly Tech] I posted earlier came into the country in 1988 at $550.00
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces. De La Boétie
Seller said that he had a tad over 3K invested in it all, and just didn't want to go into debt over braces. I have yet to have a 'bad' deal on thehighroad.org .
Bookmarked !
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces. De La Boétie
lod- You got me to go to e-bay. I quickly found a Smith Wesson M&P 15 X TROY Quad Sights AR15 223 -- buy now for $1199. Is this what you bought for 2.4K? The rounds are a hot commodity, though. I noticed just this morning that the ammunition case at my local WalMart remains basically empty.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
If you'll give us an eBay link, I'll go look at the exact model details. Thanks.
Mine is the MP 15 (stupidly, I failed to take a stick to measure the barrel length), it has the flash suppressor, Leupold Mark 4, 1-3x14 CQT scope with Leupold quick-release base, and I found the plastic grocery sack full of new thirty round MagPull clips. The stock and the forearm have been 'upgraded' at a cost unknown to me. Mrs.L tells me it is time to go stroll the hounds before it gets too hot.
Ironic a post about how confused a majority of christians are turns into one about weapons that it's owners will never use for its intended purpose I guess it's true Americans are consuming far to much viagra
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=131428988
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
Of course, that is a scientific fact. I just wanted to make sure my friend, lodwick, didn't get a bad deal. one about weapons that it's owners will never use for its intended purpose That may be more accurate than not--if ever really needed, at least they'll be there.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
I suppose time will tell the tale ... and no viagra here.
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces. De La Boétie
this makes it the most difficult of faiths.
#2. To: PSUSA (#1)
Following Christ is a faith, not a religion, that does not allow room for hatred and killing...this makes it the most difficult of faiths.
#3. To: robnoel (#2)
#4. To: PSUSA (#3)
#5. To: PSUSA. all seeking the truth here (#3)
#6. To: lodwick (#5)
b-ball b-ball b-ball...
#7. To: Dakmar (#6)
Dak -
#8. To: lodwick (#7)
#9. To: robnoel, lodwick (#4)
You connect that with the 2nd amendment?
#10. To: PSUSA (#9)
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#11. To: lodwick (#7)
I endured 1:38 of whatever that was.
#12. To: robnoel (#10)
You are taking that out of context sword means division most evangilicals use this as excuse for justifying going to war against Muslims....just a myth created by evangilical zionist's and Old Friend!
#13. To: PSUSA (#12)
But they did have swords, the literal kind.
#14. To: PSUSA (#12)
#15. To: noone222 (#13)
#16. To: robnoel (#14)
#17. To: PSUSA (#16)
#18. To: PSUSA (#15)
Did you refinish the woodwork?
#19. To: Dakmar (#8)
I think she's cute, loddy, help me wrangle an introduction?
#20. To: noone222. shooters here (#18)
#21. To: lodwick (#20)
Yesterday I traded 2.4K for a NIB SW M/P AR (.223), tricked out with lights, laser, collapsible stock, 900 rounds, and I forget what else...seller was thinning his herd to get braces for his daughter's teef.
#22. To: noone222 (#21)
#23. To: lodwick (#22)
#24. To: lodwick (#20)
#25. To: wbales (#24)
You got me to go to e-bay. I quickly found a Smith Wesson M&P 15 X TROY Quad Sights AR15 223 -- buy now for $1199.
#26. To: wbales. shooters here (#24)
#27. To: noone222 (#21)
#28. To: lodwick (#25)
#29. To: robnoel (#27)
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a post about how confused a majority of christians are
#30. To: robnoel (#27)
Ironic a post about how confused a majority of christians are turns into one about weapons that it's owners will never use for its intended purpose I guess it's true Americans are consuming far to much viagra
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