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Title: Anti-War Mother Facing Credibility Issues
Source: All Headline News
URL Source: http://www.allheadlinenews.com/cgi- ... wsbrief.plx?id=2247881640&fa=1
Published: Aug 13, 2005
Author: Douglas Maher
Post Date: 2005-08-13 14:09:52 by Willie Green
Keywords: Credibility, Anti-War, Mother
Views: 6785
Comments: 258

For education and discussion only. Not for commercial use.

Crawford, Texas (AHN) - Pressure mounted against anti-war protester and mother of fallen Army Spc. Casey Sheehan Friday from millions of bloggers as well as cable news and talk radio outlets began to rip her intentions as well as her motivations to shreds.

Ms. Sheehan is camping out on the road that leads to President Bush's Crawford, Texas ranch for the entire month of August where Bush makes an annual visit. The President continues his day-to-day business with daily briefings, trips to sign bills around the nation, and meets with organizations across the country while returning to the ranch by the afternoon.

The President's motorcade has passed Ms. Sheehan numerous times without stopping to address her or her fellow anti-war protesters who claim they want to ask the president questions about "why he lied to them about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and an Al-Qaeda link to the country," which reportedly never existed.

But as the week went on, numerous stories began to emerge about Ms. Sheehan and her ties to radical left-wing anti-war groups as well as inaccurate versions of her first meeting with President Bush at Fort Lewis in Washington. An unearthed article documented in the Vacaville Reporter News contradicted the current story Sheehan has been playing in front of dozens of reporters and media outlets across the world.

Now Ms. Sheehan finds herself in an even deeper credibility issues as bloggers from various websites including Free Republic.com and military forums on the Internet discovered images during a google search of the first meeting of Bush and Sheehan where the President is giving Sheehan a consoling kiss on her cheek in a group family photo.

Ms. Sheehan made no official comment about the discovery of the photo's on Friday but claims that she will move her protest to the sidewalks in front of the White House where the President is scheduled to return after Labor Day weekend.

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#40. To: Willie Green (#0)

May I ask what All Headline News is? I've never heard of it before.

aristeides  posted on  2005-08-13   16:15:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: aristeides (#40)

Most interesting question, aristeides.

A peek around their site and you learn that somehow Florida and Texas are involved.

And finding that they are a news filtering organization----mercy, but that sort of reeks of Talon News, Gannon, et al., and the fellas down in Texas who'd sell their mother to a bordello so long as a republocrap would be made king president.

rowdee  posted on  2005-08-13   19:08:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: rowdee (#57)

hey, girl, good to see you. i read a little blip earlier that Idaho had voted down the patriot act? have you heard about that?

christine  posted on  2005-08-13   20:44:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: christine (#73)

Nah.......been trying to stay away from politics and idiots like the one that started this thread.

See.......only two posts in ages and 50% of them are thinking very poorly of certain types of posters, i.e., those with their heads up their anal orifices. At this rate, I'll have to take a permanent leave of absence to overcome the negative feelings these brain-dead, hypocritical pathetic slices of humanity bring out.

rowdee  posted on  2005-08-13   20:52:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: rowdee (#75)

At this rate, I'll have to take a permanent leave of absence to overcome the negative feelings these brain-dead, hypocritical pathetic slices of humanity bring out.

i know the feeling. i got one just like him, probably worse, emailing me. he thinks we need to "kill all the GD ragheads." at least willie hasn't said that (yet).

christine  posted on  2005-08-13   21:23:21 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: christine (#80)

he thinks we need to "kill all the GD ragheads." at least willie hasn't said that so far.

The tribal ragheads have been killing each other since the dawn of recorded history.

If Dubya thinks he can help some of them establish a more civilized method of resolving their differences, I'm willing to skepticly go along with it.

Willie Green  posted on  2005-08-13   21:33:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Willie Green, christine (#82)

The tribal ragheads have been killing each other since the dawn of recorded history.

If Dubya thinks he can help some of them establish a more civilized method of resolving their differences, I'm willing to skepticly go along with it.

Willie Green posted on 2005-08-13 21:33:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

Mankind has been killing each other well before the dawn of history, Willie Green. The "Ragheads" you racially slander, and this does establish Willie Green as a Racist, have no more or less been killing different tribes than say the Vikings, Scots or Romans.

The governmental tribal killers love you Willie Green, because you are such an easy dupe for them, as a matter a fact, they need masses of fools like you as their Oxygen. Been the same for ten thousand years, prolly much more.

And you don't know enough to be embaressed.

tom007  posted on  2005-08-13   23:09:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: tom007 (#99)

The "Ragheads" you racially slander,

The ragheads aren't a "race", moron.

Willie Green  posted on  2005-08-13   23:15:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Willie Green (#103)

Hey Willie...it's time to relax and cut your losses. We've gotten our asses kicked in Iraq, and the American sheeple are growing wiser by the day. Despite your bloodlust, the Pubbies face midterm elections and will begin to run from this president like their asses were on fire. That said, you and a hand full of other loons will be left waving flags, in a sad attempt to rally the nation. Think of Saigon in '75. History repeats itself.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-08-13   23:23:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Jethro Tull (#105)

Think of Saigon in '75. History repeats itself.

I am, Jethro.
I wasn't among those in favor of pulling out back then, either.
Just the opposite: "Nuke 'em till they glow".

Willie Green  posted on  2005-08-13   23:35:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: Willie Green (#115)

Just the opposite: "Nuke 'em till they glow".

WHAT MCNAMARA LEARNED FROM VIETNAM

McNamara's List:

We misjudged then -- and we have since -- the geopolitical intentions of our adversaries . . . and we exaggerated the dangers to the United States of their actions.

We viewed the people and leaders of South Vietnam in terms of our own experience. . . . We totally misjudged the political forces within the country.

We underestimated the power of nationalism to motivate a people to fight and die for their beliefs and values.

Our judgments of friend and foe alike reflected our profound ignorance of the history, culture, and politics of the people in the area, and the personalities and habits of their leaders.

We failed then -- and have since -- to recognize the limitations of modern, high-technology military equipment, forces and doctrine. . . . We failed as well to adapt our military tactics to the task of winning the hearts and minds of people from a totally different culture.

We failed to draw Congress and the American people into a full and frank discussion and debate of the pros and cons of a large-scale military involvement . . . before we initiated the action.

After the action got under way and unanticipated events forced us off our planned course . . . we did not fully explain what was happening and why we were doing what we did.

We did not recognize that neither our people nor our leaders are omniscient. Our judgment of what is in another people's or country's best interest should be put to the test of open discussion in international forums. We do not have the God-given right to shape every nation in our image or as we choose.

We did not hold to the principle that U.S. military action . . . should be carried out only in conjunction with multinational forces supported fully (and not merely cosmetically) by the international community.

We failed to recognize that in international affairs, as in other aspects of life, there may be problems for which there are no immediate solutions. . . . At times, we may have to live with an imperfect, untidy world.

Underlying many of these errors lay our failure to organize the top echelons of the executive branch to deal effectively with the extraordinarily complex range of political and military issues.

By the way, Saunders says that, in a phone conversation with McNamara, the latter rendered the following opinion of the Iraqi invasion, "We're misusing our influence. It's just wrong what we're doing. It's morally wrong, it's politically wrong, it's economically wrong."

If that is so, what do we do now?

christine  posted on  2005-08-13   23:43:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#125. To: christine (#121)

We underestimated the power of nationalism to motivate a people to fight and die for their beliefs and values.

BINGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-08-13 23:47:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: christine (#121)

We did not recognize that neither our people nor our leaders are omniscient. Our judgment of what is in another people's or country's best interest should be put to the test of open discussion in international forums. We do not have the God-given right to shape every nation in our image or as we choose.

Profound words. Today Vietman did not take over Ohio, and Michigan, as we were promised by LBJ.

There is deep sickness in many of the world's governing powers. And our Gov is one of the sickest.

tom007  posted on  2005-08-13 23:49:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#182. To: christine, tom007, Flintlock (#121)

McNamara's List:

We misjudged then -- and we have since -- the geopolitical intentions of our adversaries . . . and we exaggerated the dangers to the United States of their actions.

We viewed the people and leaders of South Vietnam in terms of our own experience. . . . We totally misjudged the political forces within the country.

We underestimated the power of nationalism to motivate a people to fight and die for their beliefs and values.

Our judgments of friend and foe alike reflected our profound ignorance of the history, culture, and politics of the people in the area, and the personalities and habits of their leaders.

We failed then -- and have since -- to recognize the limitations of modern, high-technology military equipment, forces and doctrine. . . . We failed as well to adapt our military tactics to the task of winning the hearts and minds of people from a totally different culture.

Interesting post, good find christine.

You'd think one of the most important things to study before going to any war would be the habits, culture and collective belief systems of the so called enemy. I didn't realize they failed to do that with Vietnam as well. This current bunch ruling us appear by their actions to think there are 2 types of people in this world; there are a few people like them, then there are all the rest of the people who are stupid and ignorant.

I can't believe those in charge of this war really did think that the Iraqi people would welcome us with open arms when they were invaded. I thought all along that was just a line of bull to feed to the brainwashed FOX-viewing American public.

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