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Title: Anti-War Mother Facing Credibility Issues
Source: All Headline News
URL Source: http://www.allheadlinenews.com/cgi- ... wsbrief.plx?id=2247881640&fa=1
Published: Aug 13, 2005
Author: Douglas Maher
Post Date: 2005-08-13 14:09:52 by Willie Green
Keywords: Credibility, Anti-War, Mother
Views: 2264
Comments: 258

For education and discussion only. Not for commercial use.

Crawford, Texas (AHN) - Pressure mounted against anti-war protester and mother of fallen Army Spc. Casey Sheehan Friday from millions of bloggers as well as cable news and talk radio outlets began to rip her intentions as well as her motivations to shreds.

Ms. Sheehan is camping out on the road that leads to President Bush's Crawford, Texas ranch for the entire month of August where Bush makes an annual visit. The President continues his day-to-day business with daily briefings, trips to sign bills around the nation, and meets with organizations across the country while returning to the ranch by the afternoon.

The President's motorcade has passed Ms. Sheehan numerous times without stopping to address her or her fellow anti-war protesters who claim they want to ask the president questions about "why he lied to them about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and an Al-Qaeda link to the country," which reportedly never existed.

But as the week went on, numerous stories began to emerge about Ms. Sheehan and her ties to radical left-wing anti-war groups as well as inaccurate versions of her first meeting with President Bush at Fort Lewis in Washington. An unearthed article documented in the Vacaville Reporter News contradicted the current story Sheehan has been playing in front of dozens of reporters and media outlets across the world.

Now Ms. Sheehan finds herself in an even deeper credibility issues as bloggers from various websites including Free Republic.com and military forums on the Internet discovered images during a google search of the first meeting of Bush and Sheehan where the President is giving Sheehan a consoling kiss on her cheek in a group family photo.

Ms. Sheehan made no official comment about the discovery of the photo's on Friday but claims that she will move her protest to the sidewalks in front of the White House where the President is scheduled to return after Labor Day weekend.

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#173. To: All (#169)

Mighty tough talk for a scrotom licker who won't even defend his own posts.

Willie, excuse me. I intended to call you a "scrotum licker" not a "scrotom licker".

Didn't mean to insult you there.

avian virus  posted on  2005-08-14   1:02:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: Zipporah (#172)

The mark of a basic shit is that he has to be right. And right here we must make a diagnostic distinction between a hard-core virus-occupied shit and a plain ordinary no-good son of a Bitch.

There, don't we all feel better after reading the entire quote?

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-08-14   1:02:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: Dakmar (#174)

Not sure LOL!

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Zipporah  posted on  2005-08-14   1:02:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: avian virus (#173)

Well I found where Willie is getting his talking points

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1462936/posts

Dear gawd these people are nauseating. Check out the names theyre calling Sheehan.

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Zipporah  posted on  2005-08-14   1:09:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#177. To: Zipporah (#176)

Is it true that the pro-Bush demonstrators in Crawford chanted "We don't care"? Boy, if they did, that's not going to look good.

aristeides  posted on  2005-08-14   1:10:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: aristeides (#177)

Apparently so. I believe it was the group with some RW radio personality.

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Zipporah  posted on  2005-08-14   1:14:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#179. To: Zipporah (#176)

When you see that sort of loony, over the top stuff you know she is really hitting home. Also, that crap really turns off the average person. Nothing helps Sheehan like a pack of ranting, hate filled wingnuts.

avian virus  posted on  2005-08-14   1:15:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#180. To: avian virus (#179)

Nothing helps Sheehan like a pack of ranting, hate filled wingnuts.

Yep but they are so enraged and trying desparately to discredit her and anyone else who agrees with her that they dont realize this. So they look like asses and total jerks. Which they in fact are.

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Zipporah  posted on  2005-08-14   1:21:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#181. To: Zipporah (#180)

Yep but they are so enraged and trying desparately to discredit her and anyone else who agrees with her that they dont realize this. So they look like asses and total jerks. Which they in fact are.

I think their bubble is bursting. The Washington Post article I posted tonight is really significant. It's going to shift the paradigm on how the war is viewed. Basically they are saying it's an acknowledged failure. Bush can't even spin this on Sunday. I think the walls are starting to cave in and this is why you see the hysteria.

avian virus  posted on  2005-08-14   1:29:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#182. To: christine, tom007, Flintlock (#121)

McNamara's List:

We misjudged then -- and we have since -- the geopolitical intentions of our adversaries . . . and we exaggerated the dangers to the United States of their actions.

We viewed the people and leaders of South Vietnam in terms of our own experience. . . . We totally misjudged the political forces within the country.

We underestimated the power of nationalism to motivate a people to fight and die for their beliefs and values.

Our judgments of friend and foe alike reflected our profound ignorance of the history, culture, and politics of the people in the area, and the personalities and habits of their leaders.

We failed then -- and have since -- to recognize the limitations of modern, high-technology military equipment, forces and doctrine. . . . We failed as well to adapt our military tactics to the task of winning the hearts and minds of people from a totally different culture.

Interesting post, good find christine.

You'd think one of the most important things to study before going to any war would be the habits, culture and collective belief systems of the so called enemy. I didn't realize they failed to do that with Vietnam as well. This current bunch ruling us appear by their actions to think there are 2 types of people in this world; there are a few people like them, then there are all the rest of the people who are stupid and ignorant.

I can't believe those in charge of this war really did think that the Iraqi people would welcome us with open arms when they were invaded. I thought all along that was just a line of bull to feed to the brainwashed FOX-viewing American public.

Diana  posted on  2005-08-14   1:42:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#183. To: Diana (#182)

This current bunch ruling us appear by their actions to think there are 2 types of people in this world; there are a few people like them, then there are all the rest of the people who are stupid and ignorant.

No, it's always been that way, just that Dubya is first generation raised on Elvis Beatles Don Ho / Brady Hawaiin adventure.

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-08-14   1:49:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#184. To: All (#181)

I think their bubble is bursting.

Here is what I was talking about from the Sunday New York Times:

http://www.tos4truth.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=10212&Disp=1#C1

avian virus  posted on  2005-08-14   1:54:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#185. To: Zipporah (#184)

Ping to the above, I messed up the post.

avian virus  posted on  2005-08-14   1:56:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#186. To: Willie Green, Jethro Tull (#139)

It'll be because the boob in the White House severely mismanaged our domestic economy.

by letting his buddies and partners in crime loot it.

Diana  posted on  2005-08-14   2:05:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#187. To: Willie Green (#156)

And Treason is the vile attitude you have toward the men and women who serve honorably in our military

No, it’s contempt, disdain and profound embarrassment. For sure it isn’t respect. Anyone who knowingly volunteers for the military in our constitutional Republic, and then finds themselves a part of an invading army, has a duty to turn their weapons on those who gave the order. That would be courage.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-08-14   2:47:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#188. To: Diana (#186)

Yep, or by invading nations to plunder their wealth for the benefit of big business. Let the Bush kids fight. Let Dick Cheney send his daughter. Let gutless Willie Green fire a shot at some raghead he feels threatned by.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-08-14   2:50:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#189. To: avian virus, Zipporah (#181)

The Washington Post article I posted tonight is really significant. It's going to shift the paradigm on how the war is viewed. Basically they are saying it's an acknowledged failure. Bush can't even spin this on Sunday. I think the walls are starting to cave in and this is why you see the hysteria.

And yet they now want to take on Iran! Makes no sense.

Diana  posted on  2005-08-14   2:50:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#190. To: Willie Green (#166)

You classless piece of shit. I know you wouldn't have the courage to say that to her face.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-08-14   2:53:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#191. To: Diana (#189)

To them, it does make sense. They want Israel surrounded by hand picked puppet governments, and the rights to the worlds largest oil supply. Military lives are expendable, and unfortunately from what I've seen of the military, they are far too eager to aid in this imperialism. I have no sympathy for Hessians.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-08-14   2:56:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#192. To: avian virus, Willie Green (#147)

Or do you drink beer and pound the keyboard while sending other people's kids to die?

I guess that's his idea of "pulling out all the stops" and being "involved." Wille, how are you "involved" with this war? Did you put a ribbon on your car? Or maybe a flag? Is that the extent of your "involvement" with this war? Not too much of a risk is it? Not near as much risk as a kid that has been sold a bill of lies about the enemy and was naive and trusting enough to believe it.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2005-08-14   3:05:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#193. To: Jethro Tull (#190)

I have been reading this thread since it was first posted. Curoius that Willie has to rely on name calling and insults when he can't back up his point? He should consider himself very lucky that he can post stuff like that here and not get zotted or penquin slapped for it.

It has always been my opinion that men who have to call women names or degrade them have a few issues. Mostly it's either that they cannot attract/keep a woman in their lives or they are secretly jealous of their target.

But you can't jump the track, we're like cars on a cable, And life's like an hourglass, glued to the table...

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-08-14   8:18:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#194. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#193)

It has always been my opinion that men who have to call women names or degrade them have a few issues. Mostly it's either that they cannot attract/keep a woman in their lives or they are secretly jealous of their target.

Oh I think there may be an addition possible issue.. under endowed?

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Zipporah  posted on  2005-08-14   9:21:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#195. To: Zipporah (#194)

Oh I think there may be an addition possible issue.. under endowed?

You mean he's really "Wee Willie Greene"????? who'd of thunk it.....

But you can't jump the track, we're like cars on a cable, And life's like an hourglass, glued to the table...

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-08-14   9:30:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#196. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#195)

You mean he's really "Wee Willie Greene"????? who'd of thunk it.....

Yeah must be. I was quite surprised too to find out that he was like 53 I would've sworn he was like 80. Who uses those antiquated terms? Except Freepers and old codgers with a catheter?

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Zipporah  posted on  2005-08-14   9:36:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#197. To: Jethro Tull (#138)

Did this bitch with the overbite actually say this??????

http://www.jewishpress.com/news_article_print.asp? article=2380

Posted 5/14/2003 By Avraham Shmuel Lewin, Israel Correspondent TEL AVIV – In an exclusive interview with Israel’s daily Yediot Aharonot recently, National Security Adviser Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.” Rice added that she feels “a deep bond to Israel.

Asked if her feelings toward Israel stem from her religious convictions, Dr. Rice said, “That is a very deep question. I first visited Israel in 2000. I already then felt that I am returning home despite the fact that this was a place I never visited. I have a deep affinity with Israel. I have always admired the history of the State of Israel and the hardness and determination of the people that founded it.

“Israel was a state who in the beginning was not given a chance to survive. She survived mainly because of the hardness of the Israelis and their readiness to sacrifice their lives for the state.

“I am also the daughter of a Presbyterian minister and was brought up on the very moving stories of the Holy Land. They mean a lot to me. When I first visited Mt. Olives, Lake Kinneret, Jerusalem, I felt a very deep emotional experience.

“I think that we, Israel and the U.S., share common values. Israel is the only democracy in the region. That is also very important. When I was in Israel I also was impressed that you have a big economic future. I come from Silicon valley. There are a lot of similarities between the high-tech industry in California and in Israel. I also felt at home in this area.

“I was pleased to hear that Israel is currently exerting great effort in economic reforms. I discussed this at length with Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his aides. Israel has a very bright future provided that these economic reforms are met.

Rice was asked why the U.S. is not determined to get rid of Yasir Arafat as it was with Saddam Hussein.

Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”

wbales  posted on  2005-08-14   9:43:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#198. To: Willie Green (#166)

noted. you again refuse to answer the question about sending your own sons and daughters to Iraq. like bush, cheney, and all the elitist politicians, you're a cowardly blowhard and a total hypocrite.

"American Woman"

christine  posted on  2005-08-14   9:58:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#199. To: wbales (#197)

Somehow I’m not surprised, since her political mentor was Madeline Albright’s father, when he was a professor at the Univ. of Colorado, and she was a student. It’s funny watching the sheeple cheer for one political side or the other when all along the elites are of one mind, and one agenda.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-08-14   10:00:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#200. To: Jethro Tull, christine, Zoroaster (#199)

Israel was a state who in the beginning was not given a chance to survive. She survived mainly because of the hardness of the Israelis and their readiness to sacrifice their lives for the state.

"...survived mainly..."

And $2 Trillion from the American treasury certainly didn't hurt, eh Condi??

And this is more accurate:

"She [Israel] survived mainly because of the hardness of the Israelis and their readiness to sacrifice Palestinian lives for the state."

Notice Condi considers Israel to be her real homeland. And so goes our entire executive branch.

God help the United States. Please.

Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”

wbales  posted on  2005-08-14   10:08:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#201. To: christine (#198)

noted. you again refuse to answer the question about sending your own sons and daughters to Iraq.

Note THIS, bimbo: That mud don't stick.
Each and every one of our fine young men and women in the service are VOLUNTEERS!
I support them 100% and am opposed to reinstating the military draft.
So unless you want your daughter to register with the Selective Service on her 18th birthday, you can stick your whiney accusation where the sun don't shine.

Willie Green  posted on  2005-08-14   10:10:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#202. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#193)

It has always been my opinion that men who have to call women names or degrade them have a few issues. Mostly it's either that they cannot attract/keep a woman in their lives or they are secretly jealous of their target.

Agree totally. Willie's war bravado, coupled with his misogyny, translates into serious relationship problems.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-08-14   10:13:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#203. To: Willie Green, christine (#201)

So unless you want your daughter to register with the Selective Service on her 18th birthday, you can stick your whiney accusation where the sun don't shine.

So, what about YOUR sons and daughters?? Neices? Nephews?

Are you ever going to answer the question WITHOUT hurling insults???

But you can't jump the track, we're like cars on a cable, And life's like an hourglass, glued to the table...

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-08-14   10:13:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#204. To: Willie Green (#201)

Note THIS, bimbo: That mud don't stick. Each and every one of our fine young men and women in the service are VOLUNTEERS! I support them 100% and am opposed to reinstating the military draft. So unless you want your daughter to register with the Selective Service on her 18th birthday, you can stick your whiney accusation where the sun don't shine.

Im really curious you claim you're 53? Who but someone whose like 80 uses terms like bimbo and floozy ?? Tells me that she struck a nerve.. LOL

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Zipporah  posted on  2005-08-14   10:14:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#205. To: Willie Green, christine (#201)

I support them 100%

The only support you give American troops is placing them in harms way in an unethical, unnecessary, and immoral war clearly being fought ONLY to protect the interests of a foreign country--Israel--and the American big business elite.

That makes you a traitor to the troops and to the United States of America as well.

And as to your prior claims of being a Buchanan disciple (Go, Pat, Go), it is clear you are an ideological schizophrenic.

Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”

wbales  posted on  2005-08-14   10:16:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#206. To: Willie Green (#201)

Back off tiny dick....it's obvious your tactic it get banned and then to cry censorship.

Each and every one of our fine young men and women in the service are VOLUNTEERS! corporate Hessians.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-08-14   10:16:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#207. To: Jethro Tull (#202)

you call it bravado, I call it mouth diarrhea.

But you can't jump the track, we're like cars on a cable, And life's like an hourglass, glued to the table...

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-08-14   10:16:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#208. To: Willie Green (#201)

Each and every one of our fine young men and women in the service are VOLUNTEERS!

And this means exactly WHAT????????????

That the military is there for your own personal use to secure the assests of your corporate plutocrat friends, or as personal mercenaries for another foreign country??

READ THE CONSTITUTION, PRICK.

Lady X  posted on  2005-08-14   10:16:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#209. To: Willie Green (#201)

noted. again, no answer to the question about your own sons and daughters. have they volunteered at your behest?

"American Woman"

christine  posted on  2005-08-14   10:17:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#210. To: christine (#209)

Maybe he hasn't reproduced?

But you can't jump the track, we're like cars on a cable, And life's like an hourglass, glued to the table...

CAPPSMADNESS  posted on  2005-08-14   10:18:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#211. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#210)

Maybe he hasn't reproduced?

hey there ya go and I might add thank God.

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Zipporah  posted on  2005-08-14   10:19:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#212. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#193)

Curoius that Willie has to rely on name calling and insults when he can't back up his point?

I don't have to rely on namecalling at all.
I simply find it mildly amusing to stir up the compost heap and toss back the shit that's flung at me.
You all really should be thanking me for the time I've spent doing this. From what I can see, there aren't many others who'd even bother. You should be grateful for the opportunity to vent your spleens.

Willie Green  posted on  2005-08-14   10:20:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#213. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#207)

Willie is full of keyboard testosterone, and cheap gin, imho.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-08-14   10:21:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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