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Title: Anti-War Mother Facing Credibility Issues
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URL Source: http://www.allheadlinenews.com/cgi- ... wsbrief.plx?id=2247881640&fa=1
Published: Aug 13, 2005
Author: Douglas Maher
Post Date: 2005-08-13 14:09:52 by Willie Green
Keywords: Credibility, Anti-War, Mother
Views: 2314
Comments: 258
For education and discussion only. Not for commercial use. Crawford, Texas (AHN) - Pressure mounted against anti-war protester and mother of fallen Army Spc. Casey Sheehan Friday from millions of bloggers as well as cable news and talk radio outlets began to rip her intentions as well as her motivations to shreds. Ms. Sheehan is camping out on the road that leads to President Bush's Crawford, Texas ranch for the entire month of August where Bush makes an annual visit. The President continues his day-to-day business with daily briefings, trips to sign bills around the nation, and meets with organizations across the country while returning to the ranch by the afternoon. The President's motorcade has passed Ms. Sheehan numerous times without stopping to address her or her fellow anti-war protesters who claim they want to ask the president questions about "why he lied to them about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and an Al-Qaeda link to the country," which reportedly never existed. But as the week went on, numerous stories began to emerge about Ms. Sheehan and her ties to radical left-wing anti-war groups as well as inaccurate versions of her first meeting with President Bush at Fort Lewis in Washington. An unearthed article documented in the Vacaville Reporter News contradicted the current story Sheehan has been playing in front of dozens of reporters and media outlets across the world. Now Ms. Sheehan finds herself in an even deeper credibility issues as bloggers from various websites including Free Republic.com and military forums on the Internet discovered images during a google search of the first meeting of Bush and Sheehan where the President is giving Sheehan a consoling kiss on her cheek in a group family photo. Ms. Sheehan made no official comment about the discovery of the photo's on Friday but claims that she will move her protest to the sidewalks in front of the White House where the President is scheduled to return after Labor Day weekend.
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Cindy admits to having met with the President. That he offered her a kiss on her cheek is hardly incriminating evidence of her credibility. She never said he did not. She said the President would not say Casey's name. Now that the shock of her son's death has worn off, she has, like many Americans, had time to learn more about this war. About the lies and greed that led to it. IT IS NOT CINDY WHO HAS A CREDIBILITY PROBLEM. And, Thank God, the polls show that Americans are beginning to understand who does.
You mean internet blogs and FR aren't the most credible news sources in the world? Dear God man! What other parts of my reality are you about to shatter!!!
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.
And, Thank God, the polls show that Americans are beginning to understand who does. Amen. Hell, 98% of us here voted for smirk the first go-round.
The delusional bimbo has forgotten that it was actually the Iraqi insurgents who murdered her son.
Yeah, you all should've listened to me back then, too.
Isn't this a bit of an overly dramatic way to say Fox News, Hannity, Limbaugh and Free Republic? And is it really news that these people don't want the facts regarding Bush and his war exposed to the light of day? For a good example of this mindset, look what happens to you when you are confronted with the facts - you devolve into personal attacks and hyperbole. You can't defend your position on a rational basis. This in and of itself should tell you something. By the way, did you join the army today? As I said last night, the army desperately needs you, the army will take you and the induction center is open today. You can go fight the war yourself instead of sending someone else's kid to be killed. Or do cowardly Republicans like you, George Bush, Limbaugh, Perl, Hannity, Wolfowitz and Cheney prefer to send other people to be killed?
You like to throw that word bimbo around, without respect to any accuracy. Does this sound like a bimbo to you? "WE ARE INSULTED when people like Bush say that America has to 'stay the course' in Iraq to 'honor our children's sacrifices.' Not one more drop of blood should be shed for the lies and deceptions." - Cindy Sheehan, mother of Casey Sheehan, KIA 04/04/04
Yes, as a matter of fact, it does.
Yeah, you all should've listened to me back then, too. "Go, Pat, Go". What happened Willie? You were far more accurate then, than now. My children are still laughing at me for voting for Smirk the first time around.
How does this sound like a bimbo? "Not one more drop of blood should be shed for the lies and deceptions."
You sound like a freeper tossing around cheap personal attacks instead of rational argument. But we can't know for sure until we find out if you were a craven coward who dodged all three of the recent wars. You did belly crawl out of all three of them didn't you? This is important. You can't be a real Freeper wingnut without also being a coward who refused to serve in the military himself. George Bush would feel threatened by a keyboard commando who actually fought in a war.
Why aren't you in Iraq? Oh, wait a minute--what's that sound I hear? Oh, yeah, there it is -- buk buk buk.
Willie, if you think the war is important enough to send someone else's kid to die, it's important enough for you to go yourself. Go down right now and sign up for a two year hitch. The induction center is still open and they will take you.
It really wouldn't have made any difference - whoever now goes to DC is so bought and paid for, so compromised, so "black-mailable," that it no longer matters. Add in the magic black box voting machines with zero accountability, and 100% programability - why waste the time or make the effort to vote at all?
Only a bimbo would believe that blood was shed for "lies and deceptions". Bottom line: Saddam Hussein was an evil thug, tyrant, dictator and murderer who needed to be ousted from power. Period. Cindy Sheehan is a bimbo who is unwilling to stand-up against such evil in the world.
Sheehan has enough guts to go stand up for what she believes in. Unlike you. A cowardly, loud mouthed chickenshit sitting on his fat ass, sucking on a beer and tapping on a keyboard. Willie, why don't you come back when you grow some balls ..... BIMBO.
You never bother to explain the "needed" part of this do you. It's because you can't. Saddam was successfully contained for ten years before the war and Bush had to interrupt the inspections before they proved Saddam was powerless. Where does this "needed to be removed" crap come up?
Bottom line: Saddam Hussein was an evil thug, tyrant, dictator and murderer who needed to be ousted from power. Period. Cindy Sheehan is a bimbo who is unwilling to stand-up against such evil in the world. Bimbos do not research what led to this war and reach the conclusion that it was for "lies and deceptions". Bimbos go along with the popular belief that "the President and his cabinet know what's best for us". I agree with you that Saddam Hussein was evil. But so are a great many other leaders of other nations. We have no right to oust from power every leader we find evil. The sanctions against Iraq were also evil, many Iraqi children died because of them. Saddam was no Islamofacist who made women wear burkas. There are Christians co-existing with Muslims in Iraq. There was even a small Jewish population. Now Iraq may end up with a civil war leading to an Islamic theocracy. This, assuming they survive our "liberating" them from themselves. Makes no sense Willie. Unless the reasons our govt has given for invading Iraq are lies and deception.
Do you mean her son Casey is still alive?
Has the heroic warrior, who evaded Viet Nam and now ducks service in Iraq, returned for more ass whomp? :)
But it's not too late! He can form up an internationalist brigade like the Russians did in Yogoslavia 1991 and go over to Iraq and kick some rear end. No age restriction on self employed soldiers of fortune.
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.
I don't know why it takes so long for you to finally "get it", robin. Don't you ever ask them why,
I do "get it" now Willie. This war is a crime. Look for yourself at the growing mounds of evidence. My children already support Cindy Sheehan. They were ahead of me in 2000, but I finally caught up with them.
So you think anyone who is unwilling to go to war against Communist China and all the other tyrannies in the world is a bimbo?
Why not?
From what I understand, Willie can just go down and join the regular army. He doesn't need to do anything creative. He can just go down and sign up like any 19 year old. He can do it today. The only thing that would keep him out would be an utter lack of skills, i.e., Willie couldn't get in if he went through his entire 53 years without picking up any viable skills at all.
International Law, accepted custom and the American Contstitution. And why do you think we are entitled to attack anyone we jolly well please? Can you point to the section of the Constitution that gives the President the right to wage an offensive war? One not waged in defense of the nation?
Yes they murdered her son, but it's no different than what you or I would do if a foreign army invaded our nation.
God is always good!
Willie, why don't you call the people here American Haters and anti-semites? Isn't that what cowardly wingnuts do when confronted with the facts?
I believe it, as many Americans do now. I can assure you, I am not a bimbo.
God is always good!
They killed him. It's not at all clear to me that it was murder.
She is standing up to Bush, at least it appears she is standing up to Bush. I would say Bush is just as or more evil than Saddam. Did you laugh shortly after hearing about the attack on America like Bush did?
God is always good!
where and when have YOU "stood up against such evil in the world?" oh, that's right. you haven't. you expect everyone else to do that for you. btw, you've not answered this question. for the third time, have you exhorted your sons and daughters to do it for you?
I didn't realize there was a difference.
God is always good!
Murder is killing that is deliberate (unlike manslaughter) and illegal (unlike such legal forms of killing as self-defense, execution, and killing in war). There are those who say the Hebrew of "Thou shalt not kill" should in fact be translated "Thou shalt not murder."
Bottom line: Saddam Hussein was an evil thug, tyrant, dictator and murderer who needed to be ousted from power. Period. Listen, you greasy old trouser-sniffing pissant. We have no business traipsing across the world forcing empire on other countries. It's not our business if they have evil dictators or retired Vaudevillians leading their country. THEY POSED NO THREAT TO OUR NATION. Neither did the NVA, neither did North Korea, neither did Belgrade, hell neither did Germany. But shitheels like you with exactly zero minutes of actual trigger time clap like trained seals whenever we invent a pretext to put American kids in the line of fire and sink American wealth into a fucking rabbit hole. How many different justifications did we have for aggression against Iraq? I count 3. And you bought them all hook-line and sinker, even when the excuse-du-jour changed to something different. That makes you a tool. Cindy Sheehan is a bimbo who is unwilling to stand-up against such evil in the world. Your mother is a bimbo. Sheehan lost a dear family member. You don't understand this since you're probably an ancient male-spinster who divides his lonely days between staring out the window, yelling at neighborhood kids and shilling for an unjust war of aggression on the internet. I bet your cat doesn't even like you.
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Yep, Willie Greensheild's 4um Opus. "Am I emotional? Yes, my first born was murdered. Am I angry? Yes, he was killed for lies and for a PNAC Neo-Con agenda to benefit Israel. My son joined the Army to protect America, not Israel. Am I stupid? No, I know full-well that my son, my family, this nation, and this world were betrayed by George [W.] Bush who was influenced by the neo-con PNAC agenda after 9/11. We were told that we were attacked on 9/11 because the terrorists hate our freedoms and democracy...not for the real reason, because the Arab-Muslims who attacked us hate our middle-eastern foreign policy. That hasn't changed since America invaded and occupied Iraq...in fact it has gotten worse."
If she only knew this was a lie as well.
God is always good!
If she only knew this was a lie as well. Do explain...
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May I ask what All Headline News is? I've never heard of it before.
ooooh, that is one of the best indictments i've ever read! bravo!
I think, like most of us here, Ricky doesn't believe it was Arab-Muslims (and most certainly not Iraqis) who were responsible for the 911 attack.
There is no proof, other than our government saying so, that any Arab-Muslim attacked us on 9/11. IMO 9/11 was not a breach in our security, it was planned event. If you care to learn more about the real truth of 9/11 than start with David Griffin's book "The New Pearl Harbor" available here for free.
God is always good!
Willie Green posted on 2005-08-13 15:36:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply We need to start at home with the entire DC cancer that Ike did his best to warn us about. Now that is evil.
Why not? I think we not only have a right to do it, we have a responsibility as God fearing people to do it. But, we must first define what evil is, and whether or not the people of that nation even want our help (i.e., if the people are not willing to help us help them, then they don't deserve or even really need our help). If they don't want our help, or are unwilling to help get rid of the "evil" leader then we have no obligation or reason to mess with them in any way, unless they attack us.
God is always good!
Hey Ricky, they found the passports in the debris of the WTC the next day!! Darn good detective work, wouldn't you say? ;)>
Oh, okay I understand now. thx.
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"We need to start at home with the entire DC cancer that Ike did his best to warn us about. Now that is evil." - tom007 Expect "futility of voting third party" sermon any time now, tom.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
I said that Dak. Willie asked why not.
Reply of the day winner here. Thanks for focusing on the problem, not the personalities.
My bad, sorry.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
Article II. Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, This is silly spin. If you read the section you posted you will find it gives the President the position of commander and chief of the armed forces. I asked you to show me the part that permits the President to wage war for purposes other than the common defense. You didn't do this. You didn't do it because you can't do it .... and you know this. But you thought you'd try to fob another one off on us Freeper style.
Maybe Willie needs to read the declaration of Independence? Just the first few paragraphs would suffice. Zip, as I cleared it up with Dak, I wrote that as part of a post to Willie. His response was "Why not?" tom0007's answer to start in D.C. is a really good idea. We need to start at home with the entire DC cancer that Ike did his best to warn us about. Now that is evil.
ah okay. There is something MAJORLY wrong with this country in a very sick state. When people who say support our troops then turn around and yell 'we don't care'?? Is this radio slug a provacteur trying to stir this so it comes to a head? Sure seems so doesnt it?
Most interesting question, aristeides. A peek around their site and you learn that somehow Florida and Texas are involved. And finding that they are a news filtering organization----mercy, but that sort of reeks of Talon News, Gannon, et al., and the fellas down in Texas who'd sell their mother to a bordello so long as a republocrap would be made
They haven't a leg to stand on, it could not be more clear.
Agreed but I just wonder if there isnt more to this. They'd like nothing better than to incite these people IMO.
In today's political environment I'm surprised the neocons don't just invite her to a fancy govt shindig then make fun of her afterward for now knowing which fork to use for the smoked salmon.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
LOL! You know the truth of the matter is that the neocons have taken over the Democrat party too.. they just arent as visible YET.
I'm not so sure. What I can see them doing is trying to confuse, mixup and dilute her message, by having other activists with varying agenda vying for media time at her protest.
Oh I agree that is typical but it wouldnt surprise me in the least if stirring the pot to get a physical confrontation started. Think of the illegal issue and the films, watching those I couldnt help but notice the non Mexican people among the illegals stirring them up. I think there are those who are pushing this stuff to the limits to bring about violence.
I'm amazed at the discipline and control the MMP have shown. And they have been and continue to be provoked. The antiwar crowd may get a taste of this tactic, we'll see. If so, I hope they show as much restraint.
ok, dude, explain your homepage. ;)
It's his ATM pin number, so he won't forget it.
and the skull??
I missed the skull.
Wow! It took a scroll right to see that!
i know!
It was an image I found on google's image search. I forget what I was searching for now. But, as my main issue is finding the truth of human nature, I thought this was cool. Assuming this image isn't a fake (note the sinus passages and orbital socket) then WTF is a hominid (?) skull doing with fangs? The foremost front teeth look like they're for grinding. The fangs are most definitely for tearing. Animals have teeth designed for their diets. Horses have all flat teeth, cats have all sharp teeth. Humans have a combination as we eat everything, grains, vegetables & meat. So what else would have a combination? I just thought this was weird and cause for reflection, so it's my homepage.
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I guess it wouldn't be a hominid because of the placement of the teeth, space between the nose and top of the mouth and the small cranial dome. Not sure what this is, but it trips me out.
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hey, girl, good to see you. i read a little blip earlier that Idaho had voted down the patriot act? have you heard about that?
hmmmm..i don't know. what's your hypothesis?
Nah.......been trying to stay away from politics and idiots like the one that started this thread. See.......only two posts in ages and 50% of them are thinking very poorly of certain types of posters, i.e., those with their heads up their anal orifices. At this rate, I'll have to take a permanent leave of absence to overcome the negative feelings these brain-dead, hypocritical pathetic slices of humanity bring out.
Please robin, don't confuse Dak with such minor matters. Go Dak Go!!! LOL!!!
Fine, show me the part that forbids the commander-in-chief from taking military action.
My g_wd you're online posting tonight? Why aren't you knitting your fearless leader an Israeli flag or something..
i know the feeling. i got one just
like him, probably worse, emailing me. he thinks we need to "kill all the GD
ragheads." at least willie hasn't said that (yet).
lol
The tribal ragheads have been killing each other since the dawn of recorded history. If Dubya thinks he can help some of them establish a more civilized method of resolving their differences, I'm willing to skepticly go along with it.
You did read this article written by YOUR right Reverand Patrick J. Buchanan, did you Willie?? Go, Pat, Go!! ...isn't that what YOU say Dear Willie? March 24, 2003 issue Copyright © 2003 The American Conservative Whose War? A neoconservative clique seeks to ensnare our country in a series of wars that are not in America’s interest. by Patrick J. Buchanan http://www.amconmag.com/03_2 4_03/cover.html Go, Pat, Go!! This article reads like something Cindy Sheehan would have written (or, at least, agree with 100%). Right Willie?? BTW and if given the chance, would you like to run over Cindy Sheehan with an IDF Catapiller bulldozer??
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
Do you honestly think that's what we mobilized an army for? To play referee? In the history of warfare, armies have only been mobilized for a handful of reasons. Defense of country (N/A here), promotion of creed/religion/empire, acquisition of wealth/resources/land. There are no other reasons for war. There are only pretenses.
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You obviously don't know how the Constitution works. That explains a bit of your hate American / hate Americans / hate freedom position. The President, the Congress and the rest of the Federal Government have enumerated powers. If it's not in the Constitution, they are not supposed to be doing it. The way I read the Constitution, and the way most others read it is that the war powers only provide for the Common defense. Study the country you live in sometime. It's not as bad as you think it is. There is no need to for the hate you bear against this country or the freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution. In addition, have some respect for the country you live in. Not everyone here is a slimey loud mouthed coward sitting behind a keyboard - like you. Some have actually fought and died for the freedoms you hate - but still employ and enjoy. Some have the guts to go out and stand up for what they believe in. Even if it means taking cheap shots from gutless cowards like you. Now go go back to your beer and keyboard. Tell us what a big, bad warrior you are. Once more ask Christine what SHE knows about fighting and then tell us how you slithered out of Viet Nam on your cowardly belly. Tell us how you slithered out of Gulf War I on your cowardly belly. Then tell us why you won't sign up for the current war you so ardently support - you are eligible to go you know. Your bullshit last night about being too old is simply not true.
Perhaps killing another 100,000 more or so Iraqis should teach them the very valuable lesson of civilly resolving thier differences. Capital idea.
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
Why is it any of our business to begin with? This isn't a defensive war. It has been definitively shown that Iraq posed no threat. Given that Iraq poses no threat, why are we there resolving differences for the Iraqis?
No. PJB has an accurate assessment of the neocon influence on the Administration's policies.
Well ... at least you're coming back to reality. Last night you were claiming that her son was killed by the evil foreigners who masquerade as Iraqi insurgents. I suppose the implication was that the loving Iraqis - who toss sweets and flowers - would never kill an American solder.
A neoconservative clique seeks to ensnare our country in a series of wars that are not in America’s interest. PJB No neoconservative clique ensnaring our country in a series of wars that are not in America’s interest = no Iraqi "insurgents" = Sheehan's son still alive. Get it??
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
"Neocon influence" and "Dubya" A distinction witout a difference. And, yes, they are both why the Sheehan boy is now dead.
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
Perhaps killing another 100,000 more or so Iraqis should teach them the very valuable lesson of civilly resolving thier differences. How about that, Willie? Good idea?
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
How about that, Willie? Good idea? He coundn't care less if they all die, as long as it doesn't interrupt his football game.
God is always good!
Go Dak Go!!! Expect "futility of voting third party" sermon any time now, tom. That was a rant? You have a bad tendency to stretch the truth, but you are not clever enough to co-opt anyone into your agenda. You remind me of a TV evangelist, hoping the masses will be fooled by your constant invoking of fears you yourself try to implant in people.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
I am quite sure inciteing these peoples are what it's all about. Experts at it. Sure you can get a Doctorate in it at the "Universities of the Americas".
As far as I'm concerned, it's because, with the endorsement of both our Congress and the UN, Papa Bush made a military committment to liberate Kuwait. And because in the aftermath, Saddam Hussein repeatedly violated the restrictions that were imposed on him. Now don't get into a sidetrack rant about WMDs. There is no doubt that this is a World Government clusterfuck.
It worked with the Japanese.
If Dubya thinks he can help some of them establish a more civilized method of resolving their differences, I'm willing to skepticly go along with it. Willie Green posted on 2005-08-13 21:33:42 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Mankind has been killing each other well before the dawn of history, Willie Green. The "Ragheads" you racially slander, and this does establish Willie Green as a Racist, have no more or less been killing different tribes than say the Vikings, Scots or Romans. The governmental tribal killers love you Willie Green, because you are such an easy dupe for them, as a matter a fact, they need masses of fools like you as their Oxygen. Been the same for ten thousand years, prolly much more. And you don't know enough to be embaressed.
God is always good! RickyJ posted on 2005-08-13 22:14:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Seems to be the case with WG and alot of other MSM smoking crank addicts. Da BIG GAME, Look at dat guy run!!! Pathetic.
Bullshit.
This is true, because if it wasn't your father could go back and perform a regular sexual act on your mother instead of the unmentionable one that resulted in your conception.
The ragheads aren't a "race", moron.
The ragheads aren't a "race", moron. Willie Green posted on 2005-08-13 23:15:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply So who did you mean, Wille Green?????? Paraguayians???, House painters???, astronuats??? The Roto rooter man? Willie Green????? Do you know what "disingiuous" means???
Hey Willie...it's time to relax and cut your losses. We've gotten our asses kicked in Iraq, and the American sheeple are growing wiser by the day. Despite your bloodlust, the Pubbies face midterm elections and will begin to run from this president like their asses were on fire. That said, you and a hand full of other loons will be left waving flags, in a sad attempt to rally the nation. Think of Saigon in '75. History repeats itself.
Better yet can you spell the word, I can't!
Movin on up, You need to get past this hate, Willie.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
I hate the Jeffersons, they're the ones who really want to close CBGBs
Yes, I get it.
This statement is an oxymoron.
Spoken like a true brain dead robot.
Bullshit. Pinheads who intentionally misrepresent what I say bore the shit out of me. You're going on the bozo filter. Adios! It's from the article you posted last night ninney. Here is the link: Willie's Stuff Here's a nice response that was on the thread, and which you never answered: #3. To: Willie Green (#0) Casey Sheehan was cut down by foreign insurgents ... Do you have a link or is this simply more over the top propaganda? How do you know that it was foreign insurgents. The reports I've seen out of Iraq indicate that most of the insurgents are Iraqi. Rumbsfeld even confirmend this. So how do you know that the particular insurgent that shot Sheehan's son was a foreign insurgent? Answer - you don't. But you need this silly sort of dishonest propaganda to support your arguments. They fail without the spin. This by itself should tell you something. crack monkey posted on 2005-08-11 16:52:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply So not only was the assertion in the article you posted, it was called to your attention on the thread. Do you stand behind what you post or not??
The Cheney /Rumsfield admin have done more to undermine our troops than Osama.
Willie, since you don't have me on bozo, I would appreciate an answer to my responce to your bullshit claim here. See my post above.
I am, Jethro.
What do they care about expendable cannon fodder?
You could have volunteered for Nam but no, instead you hid behind a high draft number. Just Like a typical chickenhawk.
Willie Green posted on 2005-08-13 23:35:39 ET Reply Trace Private Re Your hatred of mankind, and love of government is noted. As well as the savageness of your method of dealing with conflicts, caused, mainly, by the governmental elites, who would sacrifice you and your family in a instant, to procure for themselves, a beautiful life. Willie Green you are a SUCKER. I do not to be mean about it, but I think you can handle it, that's a compilment.
Still waiting for an answer here Willie. By the way, I just checked. You don't have me on bozo so I know you see this. You cowardly, blowhard piece of worthless chickenshit.
Less in future SS "Benefits"?
WHAT MCNAMARA LEARNED FROM VIETNAM McNamara's List:
We misjudged then -- and we have since -- the geopolitical intentions of our
adversaries . . . and we exaggerated the dangers to the United States of their
actions. We viewed the people and leaders of South Vietnam in terms of our
own experience. . . . We totally misjudged the political forces within the
country. We underestimated the power of nationalism to motivate a people to
fight and die for their beliefs and values. Our judgments of friend and foe
alike reflected our profound ignorance of the history, culture, and politics of
the people in the area, and the personalities and habits of their leaders.
We failed then -- and have since -- to recognize the limitations of modern,
high-technology military equipment, forces and doctrine. . . . We failed as
well to adapt our military tactics to the task of winning the hearts and minds
of people from a totally different culture. We failed to draw Congress and
the American people into a full and frank discussion and debate of the pros and
cons of a large-scale military involvement . . . before we initiated the
action. After the action got under way and unanticipated events forced us
off our planned course . . . we did not fully explain what was happening and
why we were doing what we did. We did not recognize that neither our
people nor our leaders are omniscient. Our judgment of what is in another
people's or country's best interest should be put to the test of open
discussion in international forums. We do not have the God-given right to shape
every nation in our image or as we choose. We did not hold to the
principle that U.S. military action . . . should be carried out only in
conjunction with multinational forces supported fully (and not merely
cosmetically) by the international community. We failed to recognize that
in international affairs, as in other aspects of life, there may be problems
for which there are no immediate solutions. . . . At times, we may have to live
with an imperfect, untidy world. Underlying many of these errors lay our
failure to organize the top echelons of the executive branch to deal
effectively with the extraordinarily complex range of political and military
issues. By the way, Saunders says that, in a phone conversation
with McNamara, the latter rendered the following opinion of the Iraqi invasion,
"We're misusing our influence. It's just wrong what we're doing. It's
morally wrong, it's politically wrong, it's economically wrong." If
that is so, what do we do now?
Willie....I spend large parts of my day trying to undermine the troops. As you yourself admit, they're fighting an unconstitutional war. So, in effect, it's our patriotic duty to remove this spear tip of this American imperialism. Guess what? Our hard work is paying off. Silly cold warriors like yourself are a dying breed. No longer will your ilk have an easy time expanding the empire. The Iraqi bloody nose we are receiving might just be the best foreign policy rejection we're received since 'nam. Gotta love it.
Willie, if anyone is having an issue estsblishing credibility it's you. I don't think folks here find it possible that you are human..
Hey tough guy. Big bad Freeper warrior. You gonna come out and defend yourself? Or are you gonna run and hide with your tail between your legs like you did in Nam, Gulf War 1 and Gulf War II?
BINGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
For making news during your beloved football game? You really have lost all sense of proportion.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
What I post and what's in an article that I post are two different things, ninny.
Profound words. Today Vietman did not take over Ohio, and Michigan, as we were promised by LBJ. There is deep sickness in many of the world's governing powers. And our Gov is one of the sickest.
I don't give a damn how many of them die, I will not undermine our troops under any circumstances. Hey, Willie, were you ever OPPOSED to Vietnam War? Still think Vietnam was a great idea? We should still be there? Never should have left? Anyone opposing that war was "undermining" troops. Do think sending troops into an unjust, immoral and unnecessary war is "Supporting the Troops"???
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
yes...and sick sycophantic sheeple worshipping at their feet.
I need to emmended that. Our Gov is hardly the sickest. But as one of the most powerful, being a little sick has powerful consequences.
That's only because you didn't serve one day over there. You didn't know they were poor people just trying to make a living and we were suppose to be over their to help the south stay non-communist, not “nuke them till they glow.” We never planned on nuking them, because it was never a declared war.
God is always good!
He won't answer. His issue is Free trade and the GOP talking points re; Iraq. Any request asking him to step out of his self imposed, political box, will be met with silence. Such is the mindset of warpigs.
No, but those NVA gunboats may come snaking up the Wabash any day now, it never hurts to prepare for the preposterous. I'm hoping to surround the Lufthansa terminal with sharpshooters to ward off the remnants of Viet Cong.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
REALLY?!? Well, gee, Willie, your own man Buchanan (Go, Pat, Go!) wrote something about an Empire and America--remember that?? What was the name of that book?? Oh yeah, "A Republic, Not an Empire", by Pat Buchanan Things certainly are confusing with you.
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
the mental image..lol
What cracks me up is the neocons try to spin it like I'm the paranoid in this unwanted relationship. Who is using who's money? Who is passing "anti-terror" laws?
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
Did this bitch with the overbite actually say this??????
Faulty analysis, Jethro.
Yet, you are in love with the boob's maniacal and deadly foreign policy.
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
You should be glad I'm not running this forum--I'd ban your stupid ass.
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
Wrong. The history of empire collapse is overexpansion. Today, our jackbooted thugs are in app. 120 nations. All this, while our borders are wide open. This isn't 'mismanagement.' It's treason. Nice try, tho..
Good thing you didn't, either, Jethro, that's my job, by decree of poor otis dead and gone.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
Not at all. "Don't hit at all if you can help it; ~ Teddy Roosevelt, New York City, February 17, 1899 I'm actually a very gentle, peace-loving, mind-my-own business type of guy.
Mayberry, USA: 'Simpler time, sweeter place'
Ah so....this explains your extensive military background.
How do you do this Willie> Do you go home and hide under your bed like you did in the Viet Nam war? Do you slither off and hide like you did in Gulf War I? Do you dodge the service like you do in the present war? Or do you drink beer and pound the keyboard while sending other people's kids to die?
Do a search on Rory Mayberry Halliburton, nuff to make you goofy.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
Who are you trying to kid? You don't know what it's like to win.
Ah so....this explains your extensive military background. I think I understand. Willie doesn't get involved. He prefers to send somebody elses kid to get involved. Willie himself sits back, pounds the keyboard and scratches his nuts - like his hero George W. Bush.
OK, right after I memorize the words to Louie Louie by The Kingsmen
we knew that. you expect others to do it for you. btw, for the fourth time, have you encouraged your sons and daughters to go fight for you in iraq? if not, why not?
From what Willie has told us, Willie doesn't even know how to enter the fight. Forget about winning.
I knew otherwise a long time ago when talking, or trying to talk to you, on WOD threads, you remind me of my grandmother that was so freaked out by the idea of opiates her doctors had to lie to her to ger her to take her medicine.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
The only fight Willie's ever been in, is to see who gets to be on the bottom of the pile at a San Francisco bathhouse.
The empire's overexpansion has nothing to do with where our military is stationed, ninny. And Treason is the vile attitude you have toward the men and women who serve honorably in our military.
obviously, only himself.
Got that right. We ALL know if this same woman was demonstrating up in NY outside of Clintons house, she'd be called an *AMERICAN HERO* and Clinton would be called a heartless coward from the highest moutain tops for not meeting with a grieving mother. The hypocrisy of this and everything else the right raises cain about these days makes me sick.
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
Obviously bump
He's forced to fight there because the rest of the boys see him as too much of a pansy sperm thermos to be the bottom queer in the bathouse.
How is killing people who are no threat to us serving honorably? You talk tough for a man who has never seen war up close. War is hell, and it is a special hell to people who have been told lies about their supposed enemy. America soldiers took an oath to defend the USA, not invade a third world nation that was a threat to nobody.
God is always good!
LOL! I learned a new phrase tonight, thanks!~
You equate random violence with traditional American values? What the fuck is wrong with you?
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
He's a pansy sperm thermos.
Learn to use those oyster forks, troops.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
No bimbo, I wouldn't entrust such responsiblities to a floozie like you.
Your mother's here? Cool.
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
Mighty tough talk for a scrotom licker who won't even defend his own posts. Much less fight in a war. Willie Greent, Howling Commando? How about Willie Green, Howling Sperm Thermos.
I have doubts you will get an answer to that question anytime soon... But, for kicks and giggles, let's remind Mr Green of your thought provoking question.
Willie, ya get the feeling you don't command a lot of respect around here anymore?
Willie.. I'm JUST about done. KNOCK it off.
Willie, excuse me. I intended to call you a "scrotum licker" not a "scrotom licker". Didn't mean to insult you there.
There, don't we all feel better after reading the entire quote?
We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
Not sure LOL!
Well I found where Willie is getting his talking points http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1462936/posts Dear gawd these people are nauseating. Check out the names theyre calling Sheehan.
Is it true that the pro-Bush demonstrators in Crawford chanted "We don't care"? Boy, if they did, that's not going to look good.
Apparently so. I believe it was the group with some RW radio personality.
When you see that sort of loony, over the top stuff you know she is really hitting home. Also, that crap really turns off the average person. Nothing helps Sheehan like a pack of ranting, hate filled wingnuts.
Yep but they are so enraged and trying desparately to discredit her and anyone else who agrees with her that they dont realize this. So they look like asses and total jerks. Which they in fact are.
I think their bubble is bursting. The Washington Post article I posted tonight is really significant. It's going to shift the paradigm on how the war is viewed. Basically they are saying it's an acknowledged failure. Bush can't even spin this on Sunday. I think the walls are starting to cave in and this is why you see the hysteria.
We misjudged then -- and we have since -- the geopolitical intentions of our adversaries . . . and we exaggerated the dangers to the United States of their actions. We viewed the people and leaders of South Vietnam in terms of our own experience. . . . We totally misjudged the political forces within the country. We underestimated the power of nationalism to motivate a people to fight and die for their beliefs and values. Our judgments of friend and foe alike reflected our profound ignorance of the history, culture, and politics of the people in the area, and the personalities and habits of their leaders. We failed then -- and have since -- to recognize the limitations of modern, high-technology military equipment, forces and doctrine. . . . We failed as well to adapt our military tactics to the task of winning the hearts and minds of people from a totally different culture. Interesting post, good find christine. You'd think one of the most important things to study before going to any war would be the habits, culture and collective belief systems of the so called enemy. I didn't realize they failed to do that with Vietnam as well. This current bunch ruling us appear by their actions to think there are 2 types of people in this world; there are a few people like them, then there are all the rest of the people who are stupid and ignorant. I can't believe those in charge of this war really did think that the Iraqi people would welcome us with open arms when they were invaded. I thought all along that was just a line of bull to feed to the brainwashed FOX-viewing American public.
No, it's always been that way, just that Dubya is first generation raised on We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...
Here is what I was talking about from the Sunday New York Times: http://www.tos4truth.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=10212&Disp=1#C1
Ping to the above, I messed up the post.
by letting his buddies and partners in crime loot it.
No, it’s contempt, disdain and profound embarrassment. For sure it isn’t respect. Anyone who knowingly volunteers for the military in our constitutional Republic, and then finds themselves a part of an invading army, has a duty to turn their weapons on those who gave the order. That would be courage.
Yep, or by invading nations to plunder their wealth for the benefit of big business. Let the Bush kids fight. Let Dick Cheney send his daughter. Let gutless Willie Green fire a shot at some raghead he feels threatned by.
And yet they now want to take on Iran! Makes no sense.
You classless piece of shit. I know you wouldn't have the courage to say that to her face.
To them, it does make sense. They want Israel surrounded by hand picked puppet governments, and the rights to the worlds largest oil supply. Military lives are expendable, and unfortunately from what I've seen of the military, they are far too eager to aid in this imperialism. I have no sympathy for Hessians.
I guess that's his idea of "pulling out all the stops" and being "involved." Wille, how are you "involved" with this war? Did you put a ribbon on your car? Or maybe a flag? Is that the extent of your "involvement" with this war? Not too much of a risk is it? Not near as much risk as a kid that has been sold a bill of lies about the enemy and was naive and trusting enough to believe it.
God is always good!
I have been reading this thread since it was first posted. Curoius that Willie has to rely on name calling and insults when he can't back up his point? He should consider himself very lucky that he can post stuff like that here and not get zotted or penquin slapped for it. It has always been my opinion that men who have to call women names or degrade them have a few issues. Mostly it's either that they cannot attract/keep a woman in their lives or they are secretly jealous of their target.
But you can't jump the track, we're like cars on a cable, And life's like an hourglass, glued to the table...
It has always been my opinion that men who have to call women names or degrade them have a few issues. Mostly it's either that they cannot attract/keep a woman in their lives or they are secretly jealous of their target. Oh I think there may be an addition possible issue.. under endowed?
You mean he's really "Wee Willie Greene"????? who'd of thunk it.....
But you can't jump the track, we're like cars on a cable, And life's like an hourglass, glued to the table...
Yeah must be. I was quite surprised too to find out that he was like 53 I would've sworn he was like 80. Who uses those antiquated terms? Except Freepers and old codgers with a catheter?
http://www.jewishpress.com/news_article_print.asp? article=2380 Posted 5/14/2003 By Avraham Shmuel Lewin, Israel Correspondent TEL AVIV – In an exclusive interview with Israel’s daily Yediot Aharonot recently, National Security Adviser Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.” Rice added that she feels “a deep bond to Israel. Asked if her feelings toward Israel stem from her religious convictions, Dr. Rice said, “That is a very deep question. I first visited Israel in 2000. I already then felt that I am returning home despite the fact that this was a place I never visited. I have a deep affinity with Israel. I have always admired the history of the State of Israel and the hardness and determination of the people that founded it. “Israel was a state who in the beginning was not given a chance to survive. She survived mainly because of the hardness of the Israelis and their readiness to sacrifice their lives for the state. “I am also the daughter of a Presbyterian minister and was brought up on the very moving stories of the Holy Land. They mean a lot to me. When I first visited Mt. Olives, Lake Kinneret, Jerusalem, I felt a very deep emotional experience. “I think that we, Israel and the U.S., share common values. Israel is the only democracy in the region. That is also very important. When I was in Israel I also was impressed that you have a big economic future. I come from Silicon valley. There are a lot of similarities between the high-tech industry in California and in Israel. I also felt at home in this area. “I was pleased to hear that Israel is currently exerting great effort in economic reforms. I discussed this at length with Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his aides. Israel has a very bright future provided that these economic reforms are met. Rice was asked why the U.S. is not determined to get rid of Yasir Arafat as it was with Saddam Hussein. …
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
noted. you again refuse to answer the question about sending your own sons and
daughters to Iraq. like bush, cheney, and all the elitist politicians, you're a
cowardly blowhard and a total hypocrite.
Somehow I’m not surprised, since her political mentor was Madeline Albright’s father, when he was a professor at the Univ. of Colorado, and she was a student. It’s funny watching the sheeple cheer for one political side or the other when all along the elites are of one mind, and one agenda.
"...survived mainly..." And $2 Trillion from the American treasury certainly didn't hurt, eh Condi?? And this is more accurate: "She [Israel] survived mainly because of the hardness of the Israelis and their readiness to sacrifice Palestinian lives for the state." Notice Condi considers Israel to be her real homeland. And so goes our entire executive branch. God help the United States. Please.
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
Note THIS, bimbo: That mud don't stick.
Agree totally. Willie's war bravado, coupled with his misogyny, translates into serious relationship problems.
So, what about YOUR sons and daughters?? Neices? Nephews? Are you ever going to answer the question WITHOUT hurling insults???
But you can't jump the track, we're like cars on a cable, And life's like an hourglass, glued to the table...
Im really curious you claim you're 53? Who but someone whose like 80 uses terms like bimbo and floozy ?? Tells me that she struck a nerve.. LOL
The only support you give American troops is placing them in harms way in an unethical, unnecessary, and immoral war clearly being fought ONLY to protect the interests of a foreign country--Israel--and the American big business elite. That makes you a traitor to the troops and to the United States of America as well. And as to your prior claims of being a Buchanan disciple (Go, Pat, Go), it is clear you are an ideological schizophrenic.
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
Each and every one of our fine young men and women in the service are
you call it bravado, I call it mouth diarrhea.
But you can't jump the track, we're like cars on a cable, And life's like an hourglass, glued to the table...
And this means exactly WHAT???????????? That the military is there for your own personal use to secure the assests of your corporate plutocrat friends, or as personal mercenaries for another foreign country?? READ THE CONSTITUTION, PRICK.
noted. again, no answer to the question about your own sons and daughters. have they volunteered at your behest?
Maybe he hasn't reproduced?
But you can't jump the track, we're like cars on a cable, And life's like an hourglass, glued to the table...
hey there ya go and I might add thank God.
I don't have to rely on namecalling at all.
Willie is full of keyboard testosterone, and cheap gin, imho.
Well then, answer the questions dammit. Go fight this stinking war yourself, or offer up your kids to this greater Middle East scheme.
Yes, Willie. I am very thankful for you giving me the opportunity to "vent my spleens" while you continue to vent your posterior on this forum. And as far as shit flinging - I didn't see anyone else calling the forum owner a bimbo or a floozie.
But you can't jump the track, we're like cars on a cable, And life's like an hourglass, glued to the table...
amoung other things......
But you can't jump the track, we're like cars on a cable, And life's like an hourglass, glued to the table...
Not only are you a coward, but you are also a liar. You are the one who first began the name calling by refering to Christine as a "Bimbo". You did it when she scored a debate point on you. It's in the record for all to see. You, a cowadly and ignorant little keyboard commando, got flustered and began flinging shit when you lost the argument. Great form Willie. Hmmmmmmmmm. A cowardly draft dodging liar. You wouldn't be a fan of the Bush administration would you?
We the People have been tricked into every war/foreign entanglement by the global elites. It is We the People (true America/American LOVING Patriots) who want to protect our sons and daughters from sacrificing their lives and limbs at the altar of the NWO. BRING 'EM HOME! It is mind boggling isn't it, Diana. It demonstrates the terrific arrogence of the rulers of the once great nation. And look at the costs we all are paying and will pay for this hubris.
Isn't that what cesspits are for?
Well Willie you've tried everything to get your account terminated and guess
what, you've finally succeeded. Your goal obviously has not been to discuss or
defend your position, your goal has been to be a disruptor and to insult the
owners, the posters and this forum.
Willie....are you still black?
My conclusion as well.
Willie reminds me of my black friend, Osborne Green. Osborne needs a constant reminder that He’s Born Black, and will remain that way. (does this joke translate in written form?) (g)
Yep, Willie clearly got waxed in debate and chose to attack posters, you and
your co-forum owner. His motive was obvious; now he can crawl back to the FR
and claim censorship. SO many psychotics; so little time. From Comfortably
Numb - it applies to losers such as he....
The Bushbots are going crazy about Sheehan. They can do nothing but name calling and make bizarre illogical "arguments". Willie is not alone. Check over at LP or watch a little MSM. While switching channels this morning, I caught the last 10 seconds of Fox News, where they called Cindy a kook. Kristol said the Democrats look bad over the war. Juan Williams said the Republicans do, and after being interrupted by Kristol, said clearly at the end "they still have to explain why we are there". Kristol's face showed he knew Juan scored a hit. Some FReepy liar (woman) then said, "half of Cindy's family" disagrees with her. ******************************** from The Huffington Post The right-wing media is working overtime to discredit Iraq mom Cindy Sheehan, who is protesting outside President Bush’s ranch in Crawford, Tex. On Thursday, Fred Barnes, executive editor of the Weekly Standard, called Sheehan a “crackpot” on Fox News. John Podhoretz called her protest “political theater” National Review’s blog, The Corner. This morning, the Drudge Report posted a banner headline, claiming “BUSH PROTESTING MOM CALLS FOR 'ISRAEL OUT OF PALESTINE'; VOWS NOT TO PAY TAXES.” And conservative columnist and blogger Michelle Malkin put up an “unconfirmed report” that Sheehan’s husband, Patrick, had filed for a divorce. ********************************** Malkin already called Cinday a "grief pimp". So, I guess that makes Malkin a "war pimp" and a "rumor pimpette", using her own choice of words. This website claims "We watch FOX so you don't have to." here: has more on the smear machine against Cindy, like this: Cindy Sheehan says Bill O'Reilly's Show is an "Obscenity to Humanity"
Slugs one and all leaving their trail of slime behind them.
One good thing is that the average person will have an up close and in depth view of how the Republican slime machine works. The issues here arn't complex and the actions by Drudge, O'Reilly, FR and the rest are in plain view. There is no convoluted set of facts to hide in here. I think Bush's propaganda machine has already given itself a black eye and it will only get worse as they get more hysterical.
Yes, it does.
I heard Kissinger on the Wolf Blintz offering today. Talk about it's over. He referred to the occupation, and possible pull out, as a catastrophe. Despite their best effort, the neocon nation can't dress this pig up. It's a debacle. Malkin is disgusting. I thought since she got immigration, she'd see the joke of waging war 6,000 miles away while at the same tile leaving the back door open. But I was wrong. She's been injected and is now a full blown human pod.
Maulkin is a plant IMO.
It's starting to appear to me that the neo-pukes who are still supporting the disaster are starting to use the canard that the miltary is all-volunteer, therefore they're getting what they deserve. I think willy used it at least once somewhere in this thread.
They've revealed what total trash they are. Doesnt get much lower than this.
Evergreen or an annual? ;)
Are we but an organic computer influenced by our environment to desire one set of neuropeptides over another, equating into competition for self worth on a primitive level never realized by the shallow and self empowering.
Sometimes I use odd expressions that I don't know where I picked them up from. This is no defense of the poster who only had the guts to attack a woman on this forum in such a rude manner. Maybe he's jealous of her looks!
All of us will indeed suffer as a consequence, all Americans will be blamed for those actions, including those of us who do not go along with the policies of this administration. I've already seen too many articles blaming ALL Americans for what is happening.
Dang. Now I have no reason to start my *Willie Green is an asshat* ping list. :(
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While switching channels this morning, I caught the last 10 seconds of Fox News, where they called Cindy a kook. That poor woman. Nevermind that she has lost her child and is grieving. She is taking that grief and trying to do something positive so that this does not happen to other parents. I admire her courage and determination, but it's alarming to see the rabid behavior of the bots, I guess concepts like empathy and sympathy are out these days; showing concern and compassion for others is considered a weakness by this bunch.
It's just foreign to them.
Drat! Sorry .. there'll be another come along.. Maybe just an asshat ping list? :P
Yep, Willie did use that ruse. I'm also hearing that the war went well, but the occupation wasn't planned correctly. This in an attempt to safeguard the Bush Doctrine for future preemptions. So, someone will have to be tossed overboard. Goodbye Rummy. He won't last the Fall...
That will play well I think, and be their excuse for pulling out (hopefully soon). Not sure it will be Rummy who is sacrificed. Actually, screwing up seems to warrant promotions with this gang.
True, witnes 911. But along those lines, being tossed overboard doesn't equate into homelessness. Whoever does drink the hemlock will be set for life.
Shut up already you dumb broad!!! (teasing of course, but ducking anyway!)
SPLAT!! Darn I missed!!
Read this interesting exchange between Willie and Lazmataz over at LP. http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=105035&Disp=63#C57 Starting at post 56 or so through to 75. It is interesting that the pro-war crowd identifies and/or associates any anti- war American (or anti Bush American) as LEFT wing, commie, racists, white supremacist and so forth). See Lazmataz's boasting of BAITING (Re: ALA Willie Green, here). And notice the federal media/MSM bashing of Sheehan. What this does, however, is to totally neglect that there are legions of conservative, Constitutionalist (right leaning) Americans who detest Bush and this war. Such is, I surmise, the majority of posters at THIS forum. I guess it is too much for the federal media/MSM propaganda machine and Bush administration/establishment lackeys to EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE our existance. And these people claim to be conservative and/or constitutionalist types!?! WTF. In any case, Willie was appropriately banned as a disruptor. His posts were patently offensive to this internet community. To my knowledge, he NEVER responded to the incongruency of his support for this war and his man's, Buchanan, concerns about global empire building in the name of America. Over at LP, Willie DID divulge his belief that this war was and is about world strategic oil control. "... C'mon, robbie. You know darn well that the strategic interest is the oil. Even the United Nations acknowledged that Saddam's grab for Kuwait jeopardized the global economy. So we're NOT simply talking about oil for the United States ONLY. And IMHO, the only reason the corrupt globo-bureaucrats obstructed the coup de grace was so they could run the oil for food scam. Ol' Saddam sure set off a wild chain of events when he disrupted the status- quo. But there's no doubt that the blame rests squarely on him and him alone. I have no problems with that. Willie Green posted on 2005-08-14 14:44:51 ET Reply Trace http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi? ArtNum=105127&Disp=31#C31 Observations about that: 1) Hussein (Iraq) was selling oil during this entire time and would have continued to do so. 2) How does he explain the massive INCREASE in oil/gas prices SUBSEQUENT to the war?? Hell and as far as gas prices go, we would have been much better off staying the hell away from Hussein and Iraq. 3) Would he then be in a position to attack Sheehan if Sheehan said "My son died for the Big World Oil Elite"??? Of course, hell no. But Willie the hypocrit would find a way. 4) Lastly, Willie (among MANY others) ignores the elephant in the living room: the undeniable and massive role of PNAC/JINSA/AEI/ADL/AIPAC/ISREAL in geting America into this war.
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.” wbales posted on 2005-08-15 09:21:44 ET Reply Trace Private Reply There is the kernal of the Iraq war. Now that Kristol and others manipulate the American public and gov. into this strategic disaster, see how they are blaming others for the war. Really sickening. Wbales, I assume you have been banned by Goldi-Pox??
Affirmative.
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
(teasing of course, but ducking anyway!) HEY!! :P
Of course Willie is totally lying no surprise there. He didnt get booted because of the personal attacks on Chris or me. He got booted because he was a disruptor. Plain and simple. He came here to be an asshole and he's admitted it in that thread. Willie is a total fuckstick and what's the most comical is that he's proud of it. LOL
Of course, I remain beyond shocked at the treatment Cindy Sheehan is receiving from heartless and vile pro-war, pro-death, pro-Bush Ziomaniacs. The comments at FR and LP as well as the smears in the MSM/federal media are dispicable--atmospherically offensive. Anyway, I was thinking of the RNC talking point/smear on Ms. Sheehan that she is (GASP!) using (as if that is somehow unacceptable anyway?!) the death of her son for political and or activism purposes. Well, I would like to ask these brainwashed morons: What do they think of John Walsh? How about Marc Klaas? How about any parent who goes on a crusade following the death of a child and lobbies for a law or action to create circumstances or cause action wherein other children or other people may be helped abd/or saved in the future? How about the Amber Alert? What do these heartless war-mongering bastards think about Amber's parents? Are all of these parents--just like Cindy Sheehan--just self centered, pubicity hounds-- using thier children's death for personal vendettas or rank political purposes?? It seems the Cindy Sheehan logic of the Zionuts is equally applicable to the likes of John Walsh and Marc Klaas. The pro-war Zionuts probably would be a tad hostile should someone point this out to them. It, indeed, would be interesting.
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
That's exactly how I see it.
Listen up buddy, because I'm only going to say this once: Call me all the names you like. Call anyone else who posts here all the names you like. Won't bother me in the slightest. But when you start calling Christine names, you are lighting a very short fuse on me. She has proven to be the best forum moderator I've ever had the privilege to encounter. She actually believes in freedom of speech, and will allow people to get away with saying things here that no other forum I know of would ever tolerate, ever. Goodness knows, if I were moderating this forum, there would be several regular posters here who would be history, but I'm not, and that's actually a good thing. This forum is what it is because of the efforts of Christine, and if there is one forum moderator in the entire Western world who is genuinely worthy of respect, it is her. I strongly suggest you save your invective for other, more deserving targets.
the President is giving Sheehan a consoling kiss on her cheek in a group family photo
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#2. To: robin (#1)
IT IS NOT CINDY WHO HAS A CREDIBILITY PROBLEM.
#3. To: robin (#1)
IT IS NOT CINDY WHO HAS A CREDIBILITY PROBLEM.
#4. To: robin (#1)
IT IS NOT CINDY WHO HAS A CREDIBILITY PROBLEM.
Her grief has obviously clouded and misdirected her anger, and she dishonors the sacrifice made by her son.
#5. To: lodwick (#3)
Hell, 98% of us here voted for smirk the first go-round.
#6. To: Willie Green (#0)
... from millions of bloggers as well as cable news and talk radio outlets began to rip her intentions as well as her motivations to shreds.
#7. To: Willie Green (#4)
The delusional bimbo has forgotten that it was actually the Iraqi insurgents who murdered her son. Her grief has obviously clouded and misdirected her anger, and she dishonors the sacrifice made by her son.
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#8. To: robin (#7)
Does this sound like a bimbo to you?
#9. To: Willie Green, lodwick (#5)
Hell, 98% of us here voted for smirk the first go-round.
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#10. To: Willie Green (#8)
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#11. To: Willie Green (#4)
The delusional bimbo has forgotten that it was actually the Iraqi insurgents who murdered her son.
#12. To: Willie Green (#4)
The delusional bimbo has forgotten that it was actually the Iraqi insurgents who murdered her son. Her grief has obviously clouded and misdirected her anger, and she dishonors the sacrifice made by her son.
#13. To: Willie Green (#0)
#14. To: Willie Green, every pissed-off American here (#5)
Yeah, you all should've listened to me back then, too.
#15. To: robin (#10)
How does this sound like a bimbo?
"Not one more drop of blood should be shed for the lies and deceptions."
#16. To: Willie Green (#4)
Her grief has obviously clouded and misdirected her anger, and she dishonors the sacrifice made by her son.
#17. To: Willie Green (#15)
Bottom line: Saddam Hussein was an evil thug, tyrant, dictator and murderer who needed to be ousted from power. Period
#18. To: Willie Green (#15)
Only a bimbo would believe that blood was shed for "lies and deceptions".
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#19. To: Willie Green (#0)
#20. To: Willie Green (#15)
#21. To: Jethro Tull (#20)
Has the heroic warrior, who evaded Viet Nam and now ducks service in Iraq...
#22. To: robin (#9)
What happened Willie? You were far more accurate then, than now.
My children are still laughing at me for voting for Smirk the first time around.
Heck, I'd guess that, five years from now, your kids will probably be laughing at you for having supported this Sheehan bimbo too.
if they told you, you will cry,
So just look at them and sigh
and know they love you.
#23. To: Willie Green (#22)
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#24. To: Willie Green (#15)
Cindy Sheehan is a bimbo who is unwilling to stand-up against such evil in the world.
#25. To: robin (#18)
We have no right to oust from power every leader we find evil.
#26. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#21)
But it's not too late! He can form up an internationalist brigade like the Russians did in Yogoslavia 1991 and go over to Iraq and kick some rear end.
#27. To: Willie Green (#25)
Why not?
#28. To: Willie Green (#4)
The delusional bimbo has forgotten that it was actually the Iraqi insurgents who murdered her son. Her grief has obviously clouded and misdirected her anger, and she dishonors the sacrifice made by her son.
#29. To: Willie Green (#0)
#30. To: Willie Green (#15)
Only a bimbo would believe that blood was shed for "lies and deceptions".
#31. To: RickyJ (#28)
Yes they murdered her son
#32. To: Willie Green (#15)
Cindy Sheehan is a bimbo who is unwilling to stand-up against such evil in the world.
#33. To: Willie Green (#15)
#34. To: aristeides (#31)
They killed him. It's not at all clear to me that it was murder.
#35. To: RickyJ (#34)
#36. To: Willie Green (#15)
#37. To: avian virus, Willie Green (#29)
Media Begins To Take Notice Mother's message eventually sinks in
“Under this roof are the heads of the family of Rothschild, a name famous in every capital of Europe, and every division of the globe." -Benjamin Disraeli
#38. To: Eoghan (#37)
because the Arab-Muslims who attacked us hate our middle-eastern foreign policy
#39. To: RickyJ (#38)
because the Arab-Muslims who attacked us hate our middle-eastern foreign policy
#40. To: Willie Green (#0)
#41. To: Dude Lebowski (#36)
#42. To: Dude Lebowski (#39)
#43. To: Dude Lebowski (#39)
#44. To: Willie Green, robin (#25)
We have no right to oust from power every leader we find evil. Why not?
#45. To: Willie Green (#25)
We have no right to oust from power every leader we find evil.
#46. To: RickyJ (#43)
There is no proof, other than our government saying so, that any Arab-Muslim attacked us on 9/11. IM
#47. To: avian virus (#27)
Can you point to the section of the Constitution that gives the President the right to wage an offensive war? One not waged in defense of the nation?
Article II. Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States,
#48. To: RickyJ, christine (#43)
There is no proof, other than our government saying so, that any Arab-Muslim attacked us on 9/11. IMO 9/11 was not a breach in our security, it was planned event.
#49. To: tom007, Willie Green (#44)
"We have no right to oust from power every leader we find evil." - Willie Green
#50. To: Dakmar (#49)
"We have no right to oust from power every leader we find evil." - Willie Green
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#51. To: tom007 (#44)
We need to start at home with the entire DC cancer that Ike did his best to warn us about. Now that is evil.
#52. To: robin, Willie Green (#50)
#53. To: Willie Green (#47)
Can you point to the section of the Constitution that gives the President the right to wage an offensive war? One not waged in defense of the nation?
#54. To: Dakmar, robin, tom007 (#49)
"We have no right to oust from power every leader we find evil." - Willie Green
#55. To: Zipporah (#54)
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#56. To: robin (#55)
#57. To: aristeides (#40)
king president.
#58. To: Zipporah (#56)
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#59. To: robin (#58)
They haven't a leg to stand on, it could not be more clear.
#60. To: Zipporah (#59)
#61. To: Dakmar (#60)
In today's political environment I'm surprised the neocons don't just invite her to a fancy govt shindig then make fun of her afterward for now knowing which fork to use for the smoked salmon.
#62. To: Zipporah (#59)
I just wonder if there isnt more to this. They'd like nothing better than to incite these people IMO.
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#63. To: robin (#62)
What I can see them doing is trying to confuse, mixup and dilute her message, by having other activists with varying agenda vying for media time at her protest.
#64. To: Zipporah (#63)
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#65. To: Dude Lebowski (#48)
#66. To: christine, Dude Lebowski (#65)
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#67. To: robin (#66)
#68. To: christine (#67)
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#69. To: christine, Dude Lebowski (#68)
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#70. To: robin (#69)
#71. To: christine (#65)
ok, dude, explain your homepage. ;)
#72. To: Dude Lebowski (#71)
then WTF is a hominid (?) skull doing with fangs? The
#73. To: rowdee (#57)
#74. To: Dude Lebowski (#71)
then WTF is a hominid (?) skull doing with fangs?
#75. To: christine (#73)
#76. To: robin, Dakmar (#50)
I said that Dak. Willie asked why not.
He's on a rant, and it doesn't really matter to him who actually said what.
#77. To: avian virus (#53)
I asked you to show me the part that permits the President to wage war for purposes other than the common defense. You didn't do this. You didn't do it because you can't do it ....
#78. To: Willie Green (#76)
#79. To: Lady X, every pissed-off American here, (#78)
#80. To: rowdee (#75)
At this rate, I'll have to take a permanent leave of absence to
overcome the negative feelings these brain-dead, hypocritical pathetic slices
of humanity bring out.
#81. To: Lady X (#78)
#82. To: christine (#80)
he thinks we need to "kill all the GD ragheads." at least willie hasn't said that so far.
#83. To: christine, rowdee, all yall here (#81)
Toke down and chill with Kansas, from back in the day.
#84. To: Willie Green, avian virus, christine, Lady X, 1776, zipporah, rowdee, (#77)
#85. To: Willie Green (#82)
If Dubya thinks he can help some of them establish a more civilized method of resolving their differences
#86. To: Willie Green (#77)
Fine, show me the part that forbids the commander-in-chief from taking military action.
#87. To: Willie Green (#82)
If Dubya thinks he can help some of them establish a more civilized method of resolving their differences, I'm willing to skepticly go along with it.
#88. To: Willie Green (#82)
If Dubya thinks he can help some of them establish a more civilized method of resolving their differences, I'm willing to skepticly go along with it.
#89. To: wbales (#84)
This article reads like something Cindy Sheehan would have written (or, at least, agree with 100%).
Right Willie??
But the Bimbo goes over-the-top when she blames Dubya for the death of her son.
Her son was killed by the murderous Iraqi thugs called "insurgents".
#90. To: Willie Green (#89)
Her son was killed by the murderous Iraqi thugs called "insurgents".
#91. To: Willie Green (#89)
Her son was killed by the murderous Iraqi thugs called "insurgents".
#92. To: Willie Green (#89)
PJB has an accurate assessment of the neocon influence on the Administration's policies. But the Bimbo goes over-the-top when she blames Dubya for the death of her son. Her son was killed by the murderous Iraqi thugs called "insurgents".
#93. To: Willie Green (#89)
#94. To: wbales, Willie Green (#93)
Perhaps killing another 100,000 more or so Iraqis should teach them the very valuable lesson of civilly resolving thier differences.
#95. To: Willie Green (#76)
He's on a rant, and it doesn't really matter to him who actually said what.
#96. To: Zipporah (#59)
They'd like nothing better than to incite these people IMO.
#97. To: avian virus (#88)
Why is it any of our business to begin with?
My only concern about those was if they'd be used against our troops.
Their existance is irrelevant to the decision to depose Saddam's regime.
The asshole repeatedly violated the no-fly zone, and as far as I'm concerned, that's sufficient justification to take him out. Hell, Papa Bush never should have left him in power to begin with.
I would have been happier if we sat on the sidelines 15 years ago, and just let the Saudis and Iranians worry about Saddam and the Kuwaitis.
But that ain't what happened and you can't turn back the clock.
The commitment was made, and I support our troops until the committment is fulfilled.
Then we pull OUT of the United Nations.
#98. To: wbales (#93)
How about that, Willie? Good idea?
If it saves American lives, perhaps the world could use a fresh reminder.
#99. To: Willie Green, christine (#82)
The tribal ragheads have been killing each other since the dawn of recorded history.
#100. To: RickyJ (#94)
He coundn't care less if they all die, as long as it doesn't interrupt his football game.
#101. To: avian virus (#90)
Last night you were claiming that her son was killed by the evil foreigners who masquerade as Iraqi insurgents
Pinheads who intentionally misrepresent what I say bore the shit out of me.
You're going on the bozo filter.
Adios!
#102. To: Willie Green (#97)
you can't turn back the clock.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#103. To: tom007 (#99)
The "Ragheads" you racially slander,
#104. To: Willie Green (#103)
The "Ragheads" you racially slander,
#105. To: Willie Green (#103)
#106. To: All (#104)
Do you know what "disingiuous" means???
#107. To: Willie Green (#82)
The tribal ragheads have been killing each other since the dawn of recorded history.
To the East side...
#108. To: Dakmar (#107)
You need to get past this hate, Willie.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#109. To: wbales (#91)
No neoconservative clique ensnaring our country in a series of wars that are not in America’s interest = no Iraqi "insurgents" = Sheehan's son still alive.
Get it??
I support our troops and their mission despite the neocon clique.
You, on the other hand, are willing to undermine our troops because of the neocon clique.
I will not undermine our troops under any circumstances.
Get it?
#110. To: Willie Green (#109)
I support our troops and their mission despite the neocon clique.
#111. To: Willie Green (#109)
I will not undermine our troops under any circumstances. Get it?
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#112. To: Willie Green (#101)
Last night you were claiming that her son was killed by the evil foreigners who masquerade as Iraqi insurgents
#113. To: Flintlock (#111)
I will not undermine our troops under any circumstances. Get it?
#114. To: Willie Green (#101)
Last night you were claiming that her son was killed by the evil foreigners who masquerade as Iraqi insurgents Bullshit. Pinheads who intentionally misrepresent what I say bore the shit out of me. You're going on the bozo filter. Adios!
#115. To: Jethro Tull (#105)
Think of Saigon in '75. History repeats itself.
I wasn't among those in favor of pulling out back then, either.
Just the opposite: "Nuke 'em till they glow".
#116. To: tom007 (#113)
The Cheney /Rumsfield admin have done more to undermine our troops than Osama.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#117. To: Willie Green (#115)
I wasn't among those in favor of pulling out back then, either.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#118. To: Willie Green (#115)
I am, Jethro. I wasn't among those in favor of pulling out back then, either. Just the opposite: "Nuke 'em till they glow".
#119. To: All, Willie Green (#112)
#120. To: Flintlock (#116)
What do they care about expendable cannon fodder?
#121. To: Willie Green (#115)
Just the opposite: "Nuke 'em till they glow".
#122. To: Willie Green (#109)
I will not undermine our troops under any circumstances.
#123. To: Willie Green (#115)
#124. To: All (#112)
#125. To: christine (#121)
We underestimated the power of nationalism to motivate a people to fight and die for their beliefs and values.
#126. To: Willie Green (#115)
"Nuke 'em till they glow"
#127. To: avian virus (#112)
It's from the article you posted last night ninney.
Do you stand behind what you post or not??
Don't assume that they're interchangeable, you only make an ass out of yourself.
#128. To: christine (#121)
We did not recognize that neither our people nor our leaders are omniscient. Our judgment of what is in another people's or country's best interest should be put to the test of open discussion in international forums. We do not have the God-given right to shape every nation in our image or as we choose.
#129. To: Willie Green (#109)
I will not undermine our troops under any circumstances.
#130. To: tom007 (#128)
#131. To: All (#128)
And our Gov is one of the sickest.
#132. To: Willie Green (#115)
Just the opposite: "Nuke 'em till they glow".
#133. To: avian virus (#124)
#134. To: tom007 (#128)
Profound words. Today Vietman did not take over Ohio, and Michigan, as we were promised by LBJ.
#135. To: Willie Green (#115)
I wasn't among those in favor of pulling out back then, either.
#136. To: Dakmar (#134)
No, but those NVA gunboats may come snaking up the Wabash any day now, it never hurts to prepare for the preposterous. I'm hoping to surround the Lufthansa terminal with sharpshooters to ward off the remnants of Viet Cong.
#137. To: christine (#136)
#138. To: wbales (#135)
Dr. Condoleezza Rice said that the “security of Israel is the key to security of the world.”
#139. To: Jethro Tull (#122)
Our hard work is paying off. Silly cold warriors like yourself are a dying breed. No longer will your ilk have an easy time expanding the empire. The Iraqi bloody nose we are receiving might just be the best foreign policy rejection we're received since 'nam. Gotta love it.
You're patheticly attempting to relive a '60s paradigm.
Oh, the Empire will collapse, alright.
But it won't be because you've made an idiot out of yourself chanting "Make love, not war."
It'll be because the boob in the White House severely mismanaged our domestic economy.
#140. To: Willie Green (#139)
It'll be because the boob in the White House severely mismanaged our domestic economy.
#141. To: Willie Green (#139)
#142. To: Willie Green (#139)
Oh, the Empire will collapse, alright. But it won't be because you've made an idiot out of yourself chanting "Make love, not war." It'll be because the boob in the White House severely mismanaged our domestic economy.
#143. To: Willie Green, Jethro Tull (#139)
But it won't be because you've made an idiot out of yourself chanting "Make love, not war."
#144. To: wbales (#135)
Things certainly are confusing with you.
It's really quite simple.
don't hit a man if you can possibly avoid it;
but if you do hit him, put him to sleep."
I am extremely reluctant to get involved in any type of fight or conflict.
HOWEVER, if I DO become involved, I pull out all the stops.
I don't believe in losing. Simple as that.
#145. To: Dakmar (#143)
by decree of poor otis dead and gone.
#146. To: Willie Green (#144)
I am extremely reluctant to get involved in any type of fight or conflict.
#147. To: Willie Green (#144)
HOWEVER, if I DO become involved, I pull out all the stops.
#148. To: Jethro Tull (#145)
Mayberry, USA: 'Simpler time, sweeter place'
#149. To: Willie Green (#144)
I don't believe in losing. Simple as that.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#150. To: Jethro Tullm Willie Green (#146)
HOWEVER, if I DO become involved, I pull out all the stops.
#151. To: Dakmar (#148)
#152. To: Willie Green (#144)
I am extremely reluctant to get involved in any type of fight or conflict.
#153. To: Flintlock (#149)
You don't know what it's like to win.
#154. To: Willie Green (#144)
I'm actually a very gentle, peace-loving, mind-my-own business type of guy.
#155. To: avian virus (#153)
Willie doesn't even know how to enter the fight.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#156. To: Jethro Tull (#142)
The history of empire collapse is overexpansion. Today, our jackbooted thugs are in app. 120 nations.
The overexpansion is the loss of productive infrastructure due to NAFTA, CAFTA, FTAA, WTO, India, China, and yes, OPEC.
#157. To: Flintlock (#149)
Who are you trying to kid?
#158. To: robin (#1)
IT IS NOT CINDY WHO HAS A CREDIBILITY PROBLEM.
#159. To: christine (#157)
obviously, only himself.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#160. To: Flintlock (#155)
The only fight Willie's ever been in, is to see who gets to be on the bottom of the pile at a San Francisco bathhouse.
#161. To: Willie Green (#156)
And Treason is the vile attitude you have toward the men and women who serve honorably in our military.
#162. To: avian virus (#160)
pansy sperm thermos
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#163. To: Willie Green, Jethro Tull (#156)
And Treason is the vile attitude you have toward the men and women who serve honorably in our military.
#164. To: Dakmar (#163)
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#165. To: Jethro Tull (#151)
OK, right after I memorize the words to Louie Louie by The Kingsmen
#166. To: christine (#152)
we knew that. you expect others to do it for you.
#167. To: Willie Green (#166)
a floozie like you.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#168. To: Willie Green (#166)
got your nose
#169. To: Willie Green (#166)
No bimbo, I wouldn't entrust such responsiblities to a floozie like you.
#170. To: aristeides, Willie Green (#24)
So you think anyone who is unwilling to go to war against Communist China and all the other tyrannies in the world is a bimbo?
#171. To: Willie Green (#166)
#172. To: Willie Green (#166)
#173. To: All (#169)
Mighty tough talk for a scrotom licker who won't even defend his own posts.
#174. To: Zipporah (#172)
The mark of a basic shit is that he has to be right. And right here we must make a diagnostic distinction between a hard-core virus-occupied shit and a plain ordinary no-good son of a Bitch.
#175. To: Dakmar (#174)
#176. To: avian virus (#173)
#177. To: Zipporah (#176)
#178. To: aristeides (#177)
#179. To: Zipporah (#176)
#180. To: avian virus (#179)
Nothing helps Sheehan like a pack of ranting, hate filled wingnuts.
#181. To: Zipporah (#180)
Yep but they are so enraged and trying desparately to discredit her and anyone else who agrees with her that they dont realize this. So they look like asses and total jerks. Which they in fact are.
#182. To: christine, tom007, Flintlock (#121)
McNamara's List:
#183. To: Diana (#182)
This current bunch ruling us appear by their actions to think there are 2 types of people in this world; there are a few people like them, then there are all the rest of the people who are stupid and ignorant.
Elvis Beatles Don Ho / Brady Hawaiin adventure.
#184. To: All (#181)
I think their bubble is bursting.
#185. To: Zipporah (#184)
#186. To: Willie Green, Jethro Tull (#139)
It'll be because the boob in the White House severely mismanaged our domestic economy.
#187. To: Willie Green (#156)
And Treason is the vile attitude you have toward the men and women who serve honorably in our military
#188. To: Diana (#186)
#189. To: avian virus, Zipporah (#181)
The Washington Post article I posted tonight is really significant. It's going to shift the paradigm on how the war is viewed. Basically they are saying it's an acknowledged failure. Bush can't even spin this on Sunday. I think the walls are starting to cave in and this is why you see the hysteria.
#190. To: Willie Green (#166)
#191. To: Diana (#189)
#192. To: avian virus, Willie Green (#147)
Or do you drink beer and pound the keyboard while sending other people's kids to die?
#193. To: Jethro Tull (#190)
#194. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#193)
#195. To: Zipporah (#194)
Oh I think there may be an addition possible issue.. under endowed?
#196. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#195)
You mean he's really "Wee Willie Greene"????? who'd of thunk it.....
#197. To: Jethro Tull (#138)
Did this bitch with the overbite actually say this??????
#198. To: Willie Green (#166)
#199. To: wbales (#197)
#200. To: Jethro Tull, christine, Zoroaster (#199)
Israel was a state who in the beginning was not given a chance to survive. She survived mainly because of the hardness of the Israelis and their readiness to sacrifice their lives for the state.
#201. To: christine (#198)
noted. you again refuse to answer the question about sending your own sons and daughters to Iraq.
Each and every one of our fine young men and women in the service are VOLUNTEERS!
I support them 100% and am opposed to reinstating the military draft.
So unless you want your daughter to register with the Selective Service on her 18th birthday, you can stick your whiney accusation where the sun don't shine.
#202. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#193)
It has always been my opinion that men who have to call women names or degrade them have a few issues. Mostly it's either that they cannot attract/keep a woman in their lives or they are secretly jealous of their target.
#203. To: Willie Green, christine (#201)
So unless you want your daughter to register with the Selective Service on her 18th birthday, you can stick your whiney accusation where the sun don't shine.
#204. To: Willie Green (#201)
Note THIS, bimbo: That mud don't stick. Each and every one of our fine young men and women in the service are VOLUNTEERS! I support them 100% and am opposed to reinstating the military draft. So unless you want your daughter to register with the Selective Service on her 18th birthday, you can stick your whiney accusation where the sun don't shine.
#205. To: Willie Green, christine (#201)
I support them 100%
#206. To: Willie Green (#201)
Back off tiny dick....it's obvious your tactic it get banned and then to cry censorship.
VOLUNTEERS! corporate Hessians.
#207. To: Jethro Tull (#202)
#208. To: Willie Green (#201)
Each and every one of our fine young men and women in the service are VOLUNTEERS!
#209. To: Willie Green (#201)
#210. To: christine (#209)
#211. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#210)
Maybe he hasn't reproduced?
#212. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#193)
Curoius that Willie has to rely on name calling and insults when he can't back up his point?
I simply find it mildly amusing to stir up the compost heap and toss back the shit that's flung at me.
You all really should be thanking me for the time I've spent doing this. From what I can see, there aren't many others who'd even bother. You should be grateful for the opportunity to vent your spleens.
#213. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#207)
#214. To: Willie Green (#212)
I don't have to rely on namecalling at all.
#215. To: All (#212)
#216. To: Jethro Tull (#213)
Willie is full of keyboard testosterone, and cheap gin, imho.
#217. To: Willie Green (#212)
I don't have to rely on namecalling at all.
#218. To: Willie Green (#212)
#219. To: Diana (#182)
You'd think one of the most important things to study before going to any war would be the habits, culture and collective belief systems of the so called enemy. I didn't realize they failed to do that with Vietnam as well.
#220. To: CAPPSMADNESS (#215)
while you continue to vent your posterior on this forum.
#221. To: Willie Green (#220)
#222. To: Willie Green (#212)
#223. To: Zipporah (#221)
ou're goal obviously has not been to discuss or defend your position, your goal has been to be a disruptor and to insult the owners, the posters and this forum
#224. To: robnoel (#222)
Willie....are you still black?
#225. To: Zipporah (#221)
Is
there anybody in there?
Just nod if you can hear me.
Is there anyone
home"?
#226. To: Jethro Tull, All (#225)
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#227. To: robin (#226)
#228. To: Zipporah (#227)
Slugs one and all leaving their trail of slime behind them.
#229. To: avian virus (#228)
One good thing is that the average person will have an up close and in depth view of how the Republican slime machine works.
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#230. To: robin (#226)
#231. To: Jethro Tull (#230)
Malkin is disgusting. I thought since she got immigration, she'd see the joke of waging war 6,000 miles away while at the same tile leaving the back door open. But I was wrong. She's been injected and is now a full blown human pod.
#232. To: Jethro Tull, All (#230)
#233. To: avian virus (#228)
I think Bush's propaganda machine has already given itself a black eye and it will only get worse as they get more hysterical.
#234. To: Zipporah (#231)
Maulkin is a plant IMO.
#235. To: Zipporah, CAPPMADDNESS, Jethro Tull (#196)
I was quite surprised too to find out that he was like 53 I would've sworn he was like 80.
#236. To: tom007 (#219)
It demonstrates the terrific arrogence of the rulers of the once great nation. And look at the costs we all are paying and will pay for this hubris.
#237. To: Zipporah (#221)
Well Willie you've tried everything to get your account terminated and guess what, you've finally succeeded.
#238. To: robin (#226)
The Bushbots are going crazy about Sheehan. They can do nothing but name calling and make bizarre illogical "arguments". Willie is not alone. Check over at LP or watch a little MSM.
#239. To: Diana (#238)
showing concern and compassion for others is considered a weakness by this bunch
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#240. To: Dude Lebowski (#237)
#241. To: Esso (#232)
It's starting to appear to me that the neo-pukes who are still supporting the disaster are starting to use the canard that the miltary is all-volunteer, therefore they're getting what they deserve.
#242. To: Jethro Tull (#241)
I'm also hearing that the war went well, but the occupation wasn't planned correctly. This in an attempt to safeguard the Bush Doctrine for future preemptions. So, someone will have to be tossed overboard. Goodbye Rummy. He won't last the Fall...
One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?
#243. To: robin (#242)
Not sure it will be Rummy who is sacrificed. Actually, screwing up seems to warrant promotions with this gang.
#244. To: Zipporah (#204)
Im really curious you claim you're 53? Who but someone whose like 80 uses terms like bimbo and floozy ?? Tells me that she struck a nerve.. LOL
#245. To: Diana (#244)
(teasing of course, but ducking anyway!)
#246. To: Zipporah, zoroaster, christine, tom007, robin, Jethro Tull (#221)
Well Willie you've tried everything to get your account terminated and guess what, you've finally succeeded. Your goal obviously has not been to discuss or defend your position, your goal has been to be a disruptor and to insult the owners, the posters and this forum.
#247. To: wbales (#246)
4) Lastly, Willie (among MANY others) ignores the elephant in the living room: the undeniable and massive role of PNAC/JINSA/AEI/ADL/AIPAC/ISREAL in geting America into this war.
#248. To: tom007 (#247)
Wbales, I assume you have been banned by Goldi-Pox??
#249. To: Diana (#244)
Shut up already you dumb broad!!!
#250. To: wbales (#246)
#251. To: Zipporah, christine, zoroaster, Eoghan, tom007 (#250)
#252. To: wbales, Zipporah, robin (#251)
Well, I would like to ask these brainwashed morons: What do they think of John Walsh? How about Marc Klaas? How about any parent who goes on a crusade following the death of a child and lobbies for a law or action to create circumstances or cause action wherein other children or other people may be helped abd/or saved in the future?
#253. To: Willie Green, Christine (#201)
Note THIS, bimbo: That mud don't stick. Each and every one of our fine young men and women in the service are VOLUNTEERS! I support them 100% and am opposed to reinstating the military draft. So unless you want your daughter to register with the Selective Service on her 18th birthday, you can stick your whiney accusation where the sun don't shine.
 | Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise. |
#254. To: Elliott Jackalope, christine (#253)
You left out Babe-A-Licious!
She has proven to be the best forum moderator I've ever had the privilege to encounter. She actually believes in freedom of speech, and will allow people to get away with saying things here that no other forum I know of would ever tolerate, ever.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#255. To: Elliott Jackalope (#253)
Call me all the names you like. I didn't come here to revive a 3½ year old thread.Listen up buddy, because I'm only going to say this once:
So as far as I'm concerned, you can call yourself names all you want.
#256. To: Skinny Boochub, elliott jackalope, christine (#255)
Say what????? Why the laid back ears?
I didn't come here to revive a 3½ year old thread. So as far as I'm concerned, you can call yourself names all you want.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
ALAS, BABYLON
#257. To: IndieTX (#256)
((gets out the popcorn))
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#258. To: X-15 (#257)
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition You think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom.~~William Wallace
"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." ~~ IndieTx
ALAS, BABYLON
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