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Title: Democrats in Senate to vote on control of all private land this Thursday
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Published: Jun 16, 2009
Author: Gretchen Randall
Post Date: 2009-06-16 23:16:18 by farmfriend
Ping List: *Agriculture-Environment*     Subscribe to *Agriculture-Environment*
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Democrats in Senate to vote on control of all private land this Thursday

By Gretchen Randall

Date: June 16, 2009

Issue: The Senate Environment and Public Works Committee (EPW) will likely hold a vote on the Clean Water Restoration Act (S787) Thursday, June 18th. The bill introduced by Senator Russ Feingold (D-WI) gives the Corps of Engineers and the U.S. EPA control over all private property in the U.S. by changing the definition of “wetlands” under the Clean Water Act of 1972 thereby expanding the regulatory reach of the Corps and EPA over private property.

In 2001 and 2006 the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that the federal government does not have authority to regulate, under the Clean Water Act, waters that are not part of or directly connected to "navigable waters." Rep. James Oberstar (D-MN), chairman of the House Transportation Committee, and Senator Russ Feingold (D-WI) are leading the fight to eliminate the requirement that the Corps and EPA limit their jurisdiction to “navigable” waters and give those agencies control over all waters of the US or “activities” affecting those waters. Opponents warn that this would lead to national land control because even dry land is in or adjacent to a watershed.

Comment 1: All bodies of water, including lakes, rivers, streams, wetlands, mudflats, sand flats, sloughs, prairie potholes, wet meadows, playas and natural ponds…as well as areas that might occasionally get wet, such as roadside ditches and agricultural drains would be covered by this legislation. So before you could build a deck, add a hot tub or even build a house, you might have to get a federal land permit.

Comment 2: Democrats are trying to grab control of everything they can before the American people realize we have become a socialist state much like Russia.

Background and links: The first vote is Thursday in the Senate EPW committee. So far only a Senate bill, S.787, has been introduced. To get a list of senators on this committee and their phone numbers, go to: http://www.landrights.org/ Subscribe to *Agriculture-Environment*

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#1. To: farmfriend, Brian S, christine, Itistoolate, Original_Intent (#0)

All bodies of water, including lakes, rivers, streams, wetlands, mudflats, sand flats, sloughs, prairie potholes, wet meadows, playas and natural ponds…as well as areas that might occasionally get wet, such as roadside ditches and agricultural drains would be covered by this legislation.

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They aren't interested in cesspools, sewers, strip pits, septic tanks, or leech lines.

American private property rights are safe.

HAPPY2BME-4UM  posted on  2009-06-16   23:20:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#1)

They aren't interested in cesspools, sewers, strip pits, septic tanks, or leech lines.

American private property rights are safe.

laughing and crying at the same time

The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama

christine  posted on  2009-06-16   23:53:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: farmfriend, christine, CadetD, TwentyTwelve, Rotara, Wudidiz, Jethro Tull, IndieTX, Artisan, all (#0)

This is why we must push and support exposing Oh'bummer as not Constitutionally and thus not legally nor legitimately President. It immediately would make not laws of all the Bills passed and signed by Oh'bummer.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-06-17   1:10:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#1)

All bodies of water, including lakes, rivers, streams, wetlands, mudflats, sand flats, sloughs, prairie potholes, wet meadows, playas and natural ponds…as well as areas that might occasionally get wet, such as roadside ditches and agricultural drains would be covered by this legislation.

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They aren't interested in cesspools, sewers, strip pits, septic tanks, or leech lines.

American private property rights are safe.

They are going at breakneck speed to try to establish their totalitarian state. I wish I could laugh but they are coming at us from so many angles all at once that it is getting a bit grim.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-06-17   1:16:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: farmfriend, all (#0)

I'll go out on a limb, again, and disagree with everyone above.

This is good news! The more power they grab for the more I like it.

It will bring more people into our side. The more the merrier I always say. Some people need a good solid kick to the balls to wake them up.

I'd much rather them be on our side than to have to fight them.

.


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PSUSA  posted on  2009-06-17   7:32:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Original_Intent (#3)

Some say the Certificate of Live Birth is an abstract of the original record. With a state seal and appropriate signature, it is an official state record.

Disgusted  posted on  2009-06-17   7:49:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#1)

They aren't interested in cesspools, sewers, strip pits, septic tanks, or leech lines.

American private property rights are safe.

Hey, that's a really good impersonation of how Barak Obama communicates by telling flat out lies that are exactly the opposite of what he's really doing. For example, when he denies that he wants the government to run the auto companies. Or, when he asserts that he doesn't support socialization of the health care industry.

"Liberty is the solution of all social and economic questions." ~~Joseph A. Labadie

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2009-06-17   11:32:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: PSUSA (#5)

yeah, but then look at the spin on this. obama's doing this for the consumers~

www.mcclatchydc.com/227/s tory/70192.html

The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama

christine  posted on  2009-06-17   11:41:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut, All (#7)

Yeah, you hit it on the nose. Take the phrases above and read them out loud. When you hit the nouns in the sentence bark them out like you were shouting at your dog. You get a reasonable facsimile of how Barky talks.

THIS ACT, THE CLEAN WATER RESTORATION ACT MAKE ALL WATERS IN THE UNITED STATES "WATERS OF THE UNITED STATES."

If you have a pool, or a culvert, or even standing water from time to time, it will become US property with the passage of this act. By removing the word "navigable waters" from federal legislation and replacing it with the aforementioned term, the feds will have pulled of a great coup at a single stroke.

This act is an unwarranted intrusion and a grievous infringement on our rights in property. We're about to be beseiged by more well-paid federal bureaucrats at a time when ordinary folks are scrambling to hold on to their livelihoods and property. Just makes your blood boil, don't it?

I'm having trouble getting through to my Senators on the phone, but one of the most effective ways of relaying your sentiments to your elected representatives is by fax.

Here is a way to fax senators and congressmen, if you don't have a fax machine. All you need is your keyboard. You get two free faxes per day. Use them to reach you senators.

faxzero.com/

With all the events that are breaking these days, I'll confess that this news came to me as a surprize, but it's still early in the process and we need to get the word out before this hits the floor of the Senate.

Does anyone have a handle on the likelihood of this getting out of committee tomorrow?

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randge  posted on  2009-06-17   12:30:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Disgusted, christine, TwentyTwelve, Jethro Tull, Rotara, IndieTX, Cynicom, Wudidiz, farmfriend, CadetD, Artisan, Kamala, SwarthyGuy, All (#6)

Some say the Certificate of Live Birth is an abstract of the original record. With a state seal and appropriate signature, it is an official state record.

Who is this "Some" character? He/She does not know what they are talking about.

A "Certificate of Live Birth" is NOT a "Birth Certificate" and is not a legal or legitimate replacement for one. Under the laws of the State of Hawaii, extant at the time, it could be filed up to a year following the actual birth and there was no verification procedure to ensure that what the parent represented was in fact true and thus it is not a legal document it is merely a "State Document". It lacks several key items most notably the "Hospital" and "Delivering Physician". Further the lack of a legal "Birth Certificate" (which to date Oh'bummer has spent in excess of 1 million dollars in legal costs to KEEP SECRET AND UNDISCLOSED is itself prima facie evidence from which the legitimate inference may be drawn that there is something on that Birth Certificate which he does not want disclosed or that in fact one does not exist).

Additionally have been the efforts, successful to date, to keep his College Admissions, Financial Aid, and College Housing documents secret. They likely show that he applied for admission as a foreign student.

Thirdly is the fact that he used his INDONESIAN Passport after his 18th Birthday. What makes that significant is that he was legally an adult and that Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship.

The evidence points strongly toward two conclusions:

1. Barack, Barry Soetoro, Obama is not a natural born U.S. Citizen as per the Constitutional REQUIREMENT for the Office of President of the United States and thus IS NOT President of the United States thus making his signature on any bill not a fulfillment of the Constitutional REQUIREMENT that a bill be signed by the President (barring a veto override) before it may become law. Thus any bill signed by the Usurper is in fact NOT law.

2. It is highly likely that Barack, Barry Soetoro, Obama is not even legally a U.S. Citizen and is in fact an ILLEGAL ALIEN. This is attested to by the sealing of his College Records and his use of an Indonesian Passport after his 18th birthday. There is no known record of his ever having been "re-naturalized" and thus he is not a U.S. Citizen but an Indonesian Citizen in the United States illegally. (Anecdotally his fellow students all remember him under his Indonesian name as "Barry Soetoro" not Barack Hussein Obama.)

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-06-17   13:59:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Original_Intent, farmfriend, christine, psusa (#3)

The book LOST RIGHTS: THE DESTRUCTION OF AMERICAN LIBERTY which was witten around 1987 by James Bovard, is one of the best books I have ever read and whenever i hear of wetlands i recall the chapter in this book in which Bovard outlined how ("conservative") bush senior massively expanded the definition of wetlands, tyrannizing countless landowners and stealing their land. it is a must-read book if you havent read it. it covers just about every area of innapropriate government in one very well written expose. i think it should be required reading for every schoolkid.

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Artisan  posted on  2009-06-17   14:00:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: PSUSA (#5)

This is good news! The more power they grab for the more I like it.

Ok statist.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-06-17   14:20:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Old Friend (#12)

Old friend, always good for a laugh...


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PSUSA  posted on  2009-06-17   14:27:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: christine (#8)

yeah, but then look at the spin on this. obama's doing this for the consumers~

Sure. But IMO the spin is losing its power. It only fools the obamatards, just like the Iraqi invasion only fooled the bushtards.

I dont want the tards of any stripe to muddy the waters. Obama and Bush can have them

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-06-17   14:30:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Original_Intent (#10) (Edited)

Who is this "Some" character? He/She does not know what they are talking about. A "Certificate of Live Birth" is NOT a "Birth Certificate" and is not a legal or legitimate replacement for one.

Actually he/she does. That's what you get in California and it was good enough to get a passport. Been there, done that. That said, I do not believe he is a citizen and needs to provide proof of such. The fact that he does not lay this controversy to rest speaks volumes.


"The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
--George Washington, General Orders, August 23, 1776

farmfriend  posted on  2009-06-17   15:13:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Disgusted, Disgusted (#6)

Some say the Certificate of Live Birth is an abstract of the original record. With a state seal and appropriate signature, it is an official state record.

This is correct here in California. I can't vouch for other states.


"The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
--George Washington, General Orders, August 23, 1776

farmfriend  posted on  2009-06-17   15:15:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Original_Intent, nolu chan, farmfriend, all (#10)

Some say the Certificate of Live Birth is an abstract of the original record. With a state seal and appropriate signature, it is an official state record.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-06-17   15:36:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: PSUSA (#14)

I dont want the tards of any stripe to muddy the waters. Obama and Bush can have them

point

The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama

christine  posted on  2009-06-17   15:55:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Jethro Tull (#17)

I'll show you mine if you show me yours.


"The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
--George Washington, General Orders, August 23, 1776

farmfriend  posted on  2009-06-17   16:12:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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