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Title: Schwarzenegger: Don't blame state budget deficit on illegal immigrants
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URL Source: http://www.sacbee.com/capitolandcalifornia/story/1923957.html
Published: Jun 17, 2009
Author: Kevin Yamamura
Post Date: 2009-06-17 09:21:10 by Disgusted
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Views: 445
Comments: 34
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Friday disputed claims that illegal immigrants caused California's $24.3 billion deficit, while he praised their economic contributions and said he is "happy" they have access to services. The Republican governor, answering wide-ranging questions from The Bee's editorial board and its readers, also vented about roadblocks to his authority posed by political foes and warned that government can't sustain the current level of "unbelievable benefits" for public-sector workers. In response to dozens of questions from readers who say the state ought to wipe out the deficit by eliminating services for illegal immigrants, the governor said it is a "myth" that those immigrants are to blame. He said the cost of services to illegal immigrants, which has been estimated at $4 billion to $5 billion annually, is a "small percentage" of the deficit California faces. "Yes, it is something that ought to be dealt with, but the fact of the matter is, I think it's an easy scapegoat for people to point the finger and say, 'Our budget is out of whack because of illegal immigrants.' " "It's not," he added. "Our budget is out of whack because we have self-inflicted wounds that the Legislature and this state has never really sat down and had the will to go and make the necessary changes that have to be made." The governor noted that the federal government requires California to provide emergency health care and education to illegal immigrants. Schwarzenegger in 2006 renounced his 1994 vote for Proposition 187, the initiative to block most services for illegal immigrants, which courts deemed unconstitutional. "You know something, as far as I'm concerned, I'm happy that they can get the services," he said Friday. "Because I would like to have the services if I'm somewhere in another country … if I have an accident with a motorcycle and I go to an emergency room, I don't want someone to say, is he here legally?" Schwarzenegger also highlighted the economic contributions of illegal immigrants. "Everything we eat today is picked and created by undocumented immigrants, to a large extent," he said. "And every time we go to a restaurant and every time we go and move into a building, a lot of those buildings are built by undocumented immigrants' hands." Schwarzenegger has two budget proposals that affect immigrants. He proposed asking the federal government to deport up to 8,000 illegal immigrants in state prisons to save $182 million. He also wants to save $120 million by eliminating benefits for newly legal low-income immigrants who do not yet qualify for federal assistance. The governor has said he believes the United States should enforce tougher border controls, and he has advocated for immigration changes such as a guest worker program. A Federation for American Immigration Reform study released in 2004 said illegal immigrants cost the state $9 billion annually, including $7.7 billion on education. But University of Southern California demographer Dowell Myers has disputed that number and said it is difficult to quantify the full economic impact of illegal immigrants. Jim Gilchrist, president of the Minuteman Project, accused the governor of "pandering to political correctness." He acknowledged that costs of some goods and services could increase without illegal immigrants, but he said that would be outweighed by tax savings. "The money for services comes from increased sales taxes, increased property taxes, increased DMV fees," he said. Sen. Gil Cedillo, D-Los Angeles, praised the governor for saying immigrants are not to blame. "Our economy is very, very dependent on the immigrant work force," he said. "They're a very disciplined, very stable, very productive work force. Our economy would collapse without them." Facing a $24.3 billion deficit after signing a $92 billion spending plan in February, the Republican governor accepted some blame for what has transpired since he was elected on the promise of fiscal rescue.
Poster Comment: He said the cost of services to illegal immigrants, which has been estimated at $4 billion to $5 billion annually, is a "small percentage" of the deficit California faces. HEY F**KTARD (that's you Arnold) Do you think we are as dumb as you? The deficit of your pathetic Mexican state is 24.3 billion according to the article. You say the cost of the p.o.s is 4 or 5 billion annually, should be anally. Now jackass, what percentage is 5 billion out of 24? It is 20% of the deficit. THAT IS NOT A SMALL AMOUNT. Im sure 4-5 billion is a lowball estimate. Just think, If you didnt give the aliens BENIFITS THEY ARE NOT ENTITLED TO, PAYED FOR BY CALIFORNIA CITIZENS FOR THE LAST 5 YRS. you wouldnt have a deficit would you jackass?
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#1. To: Disgusted (#0)
I think what Arnold is trying to say is it is not the illegals fault he keeps giving them money. It is his fault. Not an illegal alien but a legal alien. Well now a citizen but origanlly an alien.
"Our economy is very, very dependent on the immigrant work force," he said. "They're a very disciplined, very stable, very productive work force. Our economy would collapse without them." Hey Gil, it already has, you asswipe. So the price of produce goes up without illegals. I doubt that the total increase would amount to $5 billion. Why don't we shut all of the State parks so the illegals can set up more drug growing and gang training operations there? I believe that's one of Arnold's ideas.
if any people should be revolting/protesting, it is californians. it should look like iran does now.
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
California is busy debating the gay marriage bill and the environmental impact of plastic shopping bags on snail darters. They have no time for trivial matters like default and the ongoing illegal invasion.
So it could in fact be much HIGHER.
The holy shall kill thy therapist, for it IS a sin.
He means mommy would have to raise her own kids, and daddy would have to mow his own lawn, because neither is willing to pay a fair wage, the white man's wage. And actually that whole "very disciplined, stable, productive" bit is only true, to the extent it is true, for the first and maybe second generations. Then they assimilate / revert into baggy pantdom.
The holy shall kill thy therapist, for it IS a sin.
The Blue Pigeon. The mayor of Phoenix was very worried about a plague of pigeons in Phoenix. He could not remove the pigeons from the city. All of Phoenix was full of pigeon poop, the people of Phoenix could not walk on the sidewalks, or drive on the roads. It was costing a fortune to keep the streets and sidewalks clean. One day a man came to City Hall and offered the Mayor a proposition. 'I can rid your beautiful city of its plague of pigeons without any cost to the city. But, you must promise not to ask me any questions. Or, you can pay me one million dollars to ask one question.' The mayor considered the offer briefly and accepted the free proposition. The next day the man climbed to the top of City Hall, opened his coat, and released a blue pigeon. The blue pigeon circled in the air and flew up into the bright blue Arizona sky. All the pigeons in Phoenix saw the blue pigeon and gathered up in the air behind the blue pigeon. The Phoenix pigeons followed the blue pigeon as she flew southward out of the city. The next day the blue pigeon returned completely alone to the man atop City Hall. The Mayor was very impressed. He felt the man and the blue pigeon had performed a wonderful miraculous service to rid Phoenix of the plague of pigeons. Even though the man with the pigeon had charged nothing, the mayor presented him with a check for 1 million dollars and told the man that, indeed, he did have a question to ask and even though they had agreed to no fee and the man had rid the city of pigeons, he decided to pay the 1 million just to get to ask ONE question. The man accepted the money and told the mayor to ask his ONE question. Do you think the Mayor is going to ask how the blue pigeon led all the pigeons away? Do you think the Mayor is going to ask where all the pigeons went? Do you think he is going to ask where the man got the blue pigeon? Nooooooo! The mayor asked: 'Do you have a blue Mexican?'
Is the governor himself here legally? The bastard ought to be deported and take his wife with him. She's a kennedy and they have always been liberal.No mentionof poor governance, no siree! What a retard arnold is. Four or 5 billion dollars a year to pay for illegal health , educational benefits, and other state benefits is not pocket change. Add up each years billions the illegals cost the taxpayers in californication and is easy to see why they are in financial straights. You stupid californicators deserve what has happened to you for voting in this foreignpiece of shit as your governor. You got what you deserve LOL!
It never fails to amaze me as to how silly, and ignorant the average American is. Even when something slaps them in the face, they don't get it. There is one sentence in the above information that spells out what is going on, and, it is the only sentence you need to know about. I have copied it above. It is the same information that I have been speaking of for -- what? 3 or 4 years? Let me say it slow, so you get it; THE ... PROBLEM ... IS ... NOT ... IN ... CALIFORNIA ... NOR ... IN ... ANY ... STATE ... !!!!!!!!!!! THE ... PROBLEM ... IS ... IN ... WASHINGTON ... DC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This started, as I have posted the details about several times, back in 1965 with the deliberate changes in the immigration laws, continued on with NAFTA and GATT and the deliberate steps taken to force peons in Mexico off of their tribal lands and into the cities to be cheap labor for the new factories being taken out of the US to Mexico (such movements being paid by the US government) and which factories in large part are now in China. These are the same type of policies that were used by the US government to desroy the family farms within the US over the last 60 years, during which time the US has lost more than 20 million family farms...... gee, having those farms back...... what would that do to solve the unemployment problem today? Now, let me see..... where did those there native Mexicans go when they could not find work in the cities of Mexico??? Let me think here.... where is the land of milk and honey that has laws that demand that benefits be paid to illegal aliens..... I forget, would someone help me out here, please?
Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;.
That got Arnie a blowjob from the terminally-ill Ted Kennedy.
_________________________________________________________________________ Nice try richard. You are wrong. It is the fault of the states and their dumbed down citizens for it is the states voters who keep electing the enemies and parasites in washington DC who have been ignoring our Constitution and therein lies the problem. We need to tell those creeps in washington DC to retire,get the hell out, or we will throw them out. Californicators have elected swartznigger twice and are responsible for this piece of shit making remarks that are contrary how our country is supposed to be run. The same can be said of other states as well. This problem isn't going to go away nor is it gonna be fixed by the repeated re- election of the bastard politicans who have run this country into the ground. When we have people in government like the dick cheney who dodged the draft calling our sons and daughters into war repeatedly and we got soccer moms who think this piece of shit is a hunk, it is no wonder where we have gone wrong. Why don't you get it right instead of half right before you state your opinion. Most of us know what an opinion is. Next time try and dazzle us with brilliance instead of baffling us with bullshit. Four to 5 billion dollars a year spent on illegals in californicate is the fault of californicators afraid to tell the federal government to go to hell and shove it. You can only turn the other cheek so many times. Don't aid these lousy bastards that have wussed out in californicate and try and lay the blame on someone else. It makes you look like a simpleton and a republican and or a demoncrat.
Words of wisdom coming from a man hiding out in Mexico City because of failed business ventures. Richardo, blow it out yout blow hole.
Gawd Arnie couldn't BEND OVER much further without sticking his head up his own a&&. This is why RP screwed himself - and us - by remaining in this despicable excuse for a party.
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Right on Indie. RP should have dumped the Rs the moment they ignored him and *US* and instead chose to forward the walking cadaver, McCain. He is USELESS in that party and frankly I have to begin to question his motives. Sorry if that pisses people off, but RP was in a position that comes along once in a lifetime for LEADERS. He sadly failed the test, IMVHO.
It was not politically expedient for him to do so. He is one of those that could have started a credible 3rd party. Not that the (s)elections are for real, but it would have made things more difficult for the bastards in power already. I don't know what to think of Paul anymore. I used to actually respect him. .
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Would you mind elaborating? I'm not familiar with the history here but I do know from his posts that ricki is full of shit and thinks he knows everything.
Yes, indeedy, thank yu for the edumacation. Thanke indeedy. I was not aware that DC had passed a law mandating that California, and only California, had to pay medical, eucation and other benefits to illegals. Now that i understand the issue, it is plain to me that, obviously, California should have stood up all by itself and demanded a ..... what? A recount of the vote? A clarification? Seed money to begin paying the benefits? Or just thumbed their nose at the feds and said....... what, exactly? It is the law of the land, all of the land, not just in California. Those benefits are being paid in every state of the union; not just in California, and the cost is far, far greater than a little bitty 5 billion. California's real problem is with the wages and benefits that they pay to employees; esp. union employees. Not what goes to illegals. Frankly, you sound just like the fools who are still claiming that the credit melt-down was caused by illegals as well!!
Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;.
Do you know who the alternative was? If not, it was a Mexican named Bustamante, a former member of MEChA. Like in the presidential elections of 2000, 2004, and 2008, the choice was between horrible and hideous.
You've always been an open borders lackey, amigo. ;-)
Richard once described illegals Mexicans as an indigenous people simply
retuning to their ancestral homeland (America). I could dig up the exact
quote if you'd like, but he hasn't spoken to me since I challenged him on that
comment.
If only the entire site could be so lucky. =)
hehehehehe He is the ultimate bag of wind. On matters of religion? He is the Holy See of Jehovah Witnesses. On matters of American politics? This ex-pat has countless lessons he feels the urge to impart to us. On the general lack of intelligence we all display on 4um? He has much to teach us if only we'd take him seriously. Every neighborhood has one :)
Bullshit, amigo. In fact, I have gone out of my way to explain how carefully, and fruitlessly, the Mexican government guards their borders and does their best to insure that more people from further south do not come into Mexico and take jobs away from the native people. Then the NAFTA and SHAFTA BS started, and open borders, promoted from Washington, DC, AND NOT FROM CALIFORNIA, put an end to regulated borders. Including in Mexico. And, frankly, the opinion here in Mexico is that if the US wants to have open borders, it is OK with us, only, don't lie about it by talking out of one side of your mouth in the US, and differently to us. Makes perfect sense to me.
Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;.
Why does anyone bother with idiots? That pretty much includes both of you. For example; indigenous people simply retuning to their ancestral homeland (America). The indigenous people from California ..... get this, JT, ARE STILL THERE. They never left. As I have explained to you about 5 times, the comment you read AND DID NOT UNDERSTAND refers to the indigenous people OF MEXICO who were chased off of their land by NAFTA allowing the importation of factory farmed pork and corn. Land where the indigenous people of Mexico had raised generations of children, and could no longer do so because of cheap food imports. That is the majority of the people that moved into the cities looking for work, and when they could not find it in Mexico, had to go elsewhere..... just another example of a problem created in Washington, DC. Course, to you, DC never creates problems. Right? The same thing that is causing starvation in Africa today; cheap food imported or given away and destroying the local farmers. But you, Jethro, when you get an idea in your head, well, let's just say a rock has better undertanding of changing conditions and ideas. And as for Ncturnal, the only things that come out at night around here are cockroaches.... and who wants to bother with them?
Daniel 2:44 “And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite;.
I'd have more respect for you if you would stop wiping your ass with the Constitution while pissing on our legs and telling us it's raining. ;-)
If not, it was a Mexican named Bustamante, a former member of MEChA. Like in the presidential elections of 2000, 2004, and 2008, the choice was between horrible and hideous. So the californicators voted for the lesser of two evils just like the dumbed down voters who voted for who they perceived to be the lesser of two evils in our presidential elections the past 3 or 4 election cycles. Both got what they deserved. Evil is evil period. The worst thing about it is that the dumbed down masses voting either in a state election or a federal one will continue voting for evil candidates. Tis better to vote for a crooked son- of-a-bitch knowing he/she will screw and cheat you vs. someone who runs for office on a pack of lies and ends up screwing you anyway after cheating your mind. The californicators are some pretty dumbed down voters. Too bad the big one doesn't happen and the whole country breaks off and flows out into the Pacific or south to mestixico where all the illegal wetback bastards came from.
You have over simplified what is going on in CA. Californians will vote conservative if given a chance. The party leaders make sure that doesn't happen. They have activily damaged any conservative candidate that makes a play all the while talking about how a conservative can't win.
I used to shake my head when the FReakers spoke glowingly of the Hispanics who would flood into the Republican party. I wonder if they are still in denial, or do they realize the Rs are dead in states that tip in favor of the invaders?
You have over simplified what is going on in CA. Californians will vote conservative if given a chance. They have the chance! It is because they have been dumbed down that they keep voting for the lesser of two evils and or vote for the candidate they have been duped into believing is best. What do you mean they would vote conservative if given a chance? I don't believe anybody is putting a gun to their heads when they vote. I'm spot on in my assessment. Californicators are so dumbed down they deserve what they are getting. Arnold is as stupid as the Californicator voters are.
The party leaders destroy the campaigns of conservative candidates. They have done it several times. The last time a good conservative was on the ballot with a good chance of winning, they put Arnold in there "because he can win". In a two man race, the conservative was ahead. With Arnold in there as a three man race he wins. Of course the fact that he was ahead in the polls in a three man race was used against having just a conservative in a two man race.
For the last time! The voters have been dumbed down in Californicate. If they had an ounce of brain matter they wouldn't fall for the party leaders shenanigans. Can you say dumbed down? I'm from a rural county in Pennsylvania. The farmers have been dumbed down or else born that way because they will vote for anybody that is a pubbie simply because he/she is a pubbie. They have saddled us with some pretty piss poor representatives. The most recent ones have been tommy ridge and pedophile English. They both are as neo-con as you can get! English finally lost his last congressional re-election attempt. The farmers here still voted overwhelmingly for this sorry POS in my county. FTF!
Not really. They are leaving both the state and the party. AIP in Sacramento County alone grew by over 3,500 voters just in the last few months.
But the horse is already out of the barn. Closing the doors now when it is too late won't solve Californicates problems. Arnold and all those illegal wetbacks will make Californicate the new Shangrilai with a little help from obanger and the freaks in washington DC. You appear to be as stubborn as oldfriend. Could the reason be the friend part of your handle? Be back later. Gotta go walk my dog Max. He is alot smarter than a lot of the posters on here.
#2. To: Disgusted (#0)
Sen. Gil Cedillo, D-Los Angeles, praised the governor for saying immigrants are not to blame.
#3. To: Disgusted (#0)
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Friday disputed claims that illegal immigrants caused California's $24.3 billion deficit, while he praised their economic contributions and said he is "happy" they have access to services.
#4. To: all (#3)
#5. To: Disgusted (#0)
But University of Southern California demographer Dowell Myers has disputed that number and said it is difficult to quantify the full economic impact of illegal immigrants.
#6. To: Disgusted (#0)
"Our economy is very, very dependent on the immigrant work force," he said. "They're a very disciplined, very stable, very productive work force. Our economy would collapse without them."
#7. To: Prefrontal Vortex. all (#6)
humor break - The Blue Pigeon -
#8. To: Disgusted (#0)
"You know something, as far as I'm concerned, I'm happy that they can get the services," he said Friday. "Because I would like to have the services if I'm somewhere in another country … if I have an accident with a motorcycle and I go to an emergency room, I don't want someone to say, is he here legally?"
#9. To: Old Friend, IDon'tThinkSo, christine, Disgusted, Prefrontal Vortex, lodwick, LACUMO, all (#0)
The governor noted that the federal government requires California to provide emergency health care and education to illegal immigrants.
#10. To: Disgusted (#0)
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Friday disputed claims that illegal immigrants caused California's $24.3 billion deficit, while he praised their economic contributions and said he is "happy" they have access to services.
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#11. To: richard9151 (#9)
(Edited)
Let me say it slow, so you get it; THE ... PROBLEM ... IS ... NOT ... IN ... CALIFORNIA ... NOR ... IN ... ANY ... STATE ... !!!!!!!!!!! THE ... PROBLEM ... IS ... IN ... WASHINGTON ... DC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#12. To: richard9151 (#9)
It never fails to amaze me as to how silly, and ignorant the average American is.
#13. To: X-15, psusa, jethro tull (#10)
disputed claims that illegal immigrants caused California's $24.3 billion deficit, while he praised their economic contributions and said he is "happy" they have access to services
#14. To: IndieTX (#13)
#15. To: IndieTX (#13)
by remaining in this despicable excuse for a party.
#16. To: Jethro Tull (#12)
#17. To: LACUMO (#11)
Four to 5 billion dollars a year spent on illegals in californicate is the fault of californicators afraid to tell the federal government to go to hell and shove it. You can only turn the other cheek so many times.
#18. To: LACUMO (#8)
You stupid californicators deserve what has happened to you for voting in this foreignpiece of shit as your governor. You got what you deserve LOL!
#19. To: richard9151 (#17)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams 
#20. To: Ncturnal (#16)
#21. To: Jethro Tull (#20)
...he hasn't spoken to me since I challenged him on that comment.
#22. To: Ncturnal (#21)
#23. To: Rotara (#19)
You've always been an open borders lackey, amigo. ;-)
#24. To: Jethro Tull, Ncturnal (#20)
Richard once described illegals Mexicans as an indigenous people simply retuning to their ancestral homeland (America).
#25. To: richard9151 (#23)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#26. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#18)
Do you know who the alternative was?
#27. To: richard9151, Ncturnal, Jose Jiminez (#24)
#28. To: LACUMO, IDon'tThinkSo (#26)
The californicators are some pretty dumbed down voters.
"The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
--George Washington, General Orders, August 23, 1776
#29. To: farmfriend (#28)
They have activily damaged any conservative candidate that makes a play all the while talking about how a conservative can't win.
#30. To: farmfriend, Jethro Tull, All (#28)
The californicators are some pretty dumbed down voters.
#31. To: LACUMO (#30)
"The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
--George Washington, General Orders, August 23, 1776
#32. To: farmfriend (#31)
(Edited)
The party leaders destroy the campaigns of conservative candidates. They have done it several times.
#33. To: LACUMO (#32)
For the last time! The voters have been dumbed down in Californicate. If they had an ounce of brain matter they wouldn't fall for the party leaders shenanigans. Can you say dumbed down?
"The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
--George Washington, General Orders, August 23, 1776
#34. To: farmfriend (#33)
Not really. They are leaving both the state and the party. AIP in Sacramento County alone grew by over 3,500 voters just in the last few months.
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