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Title: Meet Orly Taitz, Queen Bee of People Obsessed With Barack Obama's Birth Certificate
Source: OC Weekly
URL Source: http://www.ocweekly.com/2009-06-18/news/orly-taitz
Published: Jun 20, 2009
Author: Spencer Kornhaber
Post Date: 2009-06-20 14:56:59 by IDon'tThinkSo
Keywords: Orly Taitz, Birther, Birfer, Wingnuts
Views: 1445
Comments: 85

Birth of an Obsession With her strong will, busy travel schedule and breathless blogging, Laguna Niguel dentist Orly Taitz has become the most controversial figure in the effort to prove that President Barack Obama is foreign-born.

Before she addressed the chief justice of the Supreme Court of the United States on March 13, Dr. Orly Taitz thought about his son and her sons and nearly started to cry.

This was after she had woken up at 3 a.m., headed to Kinko’s in Laguna Niguel, photocopied hundreds of pages, gotten on Interstate 5 heading south, answered questions on her cell phone from a radio station, caught a flight in San Diego, sat for a few hours in Salt Lake City, caught another flight, landed in Spokane, picked up a rental car, driven two hours in falling snow along the Washington-Idaho border, parked, entered University Ballroom at the University of Idaho, and then taken a seat to listen to a speech from Chief Justice John Roberts.

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#1. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#0)

Who has seen Obama's qualifying documents?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-06-20   15:11:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

Who has seen Obama's qualifying documents?

Who saw McCain's? Who saw Bush's? Who saw Clinton's?

I guess Obama just fooled the entire Republican party, the entire Democrat party, the whole world media.

He fooled everybody except a dentist from Mission Viejo.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-06-20   15:17:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#2) (Edited)

I'll try again, who has seen Obama's qualifying documents?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-06-20   15:19:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Jethro Tull (#3)

I'll try again, who has seen Obama's qualifying documents?

That is a trick question.

No one has seen them. They don't exist.

http://www.samuelcraven.com/work/susan-boyle-is-isis/

Clitora  posted on  2009-06-20   15:34:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull (#3)

I'll try again, who has seen Obama's qualifying documents?

Apparently, everybody who counts, unless you really think he fooled the DNC and RNC.

All I know is the I've never seen any politician's "qualifying documents", and I doubt that you have either. I'm not even aware of any legal requirement to produce them.

Maybe instead of beating on this dead issue, you'd be better served trying to get a law passed that requires all candidates to prove their eligibility for the position they're running for. I'll support you 100% on that.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-06-20   15:35:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#5)

Apparently, everybody who counts

That's rather broad. Could you please whittle that down some? As in which specific Hawaiian bureaucrats? Your basic who, what, where, when, etc. Thanks.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-06-20   15:41:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#5)

Maybe instead of beating on this dead issue, you'd be better served trying to get a law passed that requires all candidates to prove their eligibility for the position they're running for. I'll support you 100% on that.

Too late. Obamageddon has started and soon, robots that look suspiciously like arnold swartzanigger will be shooting lazers at people.

http://www.samuelcraven.com/work/susan-boyle-is-isis/

Clitora  posted on  2009-06-20   15:41:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Original_Intent (#6)

Ping a ding, ding

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-06-20   15:42:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Jethro Tull (#6)

Apparently, everybody who counts

That's rather broad. Could you please whittle that down some? As in which specific Hawaiian bureaucrats? Your basic who, what, where, when, etc. Thanks.

The entire Republican and Democrat party. After all, the one thing both parties are really good at is finding dirt on their opponents.

Is that good enough for you?

Or perhaps you really think that McCain and Clinton knew that Obama wasn't a citizen, but just decided to be good sports about it.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-06-20   15:57:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#9)

So your answer to who has seen the Obama document is the "entire Republican and Democrat party."

Gatcha.....

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-06-20   15:59:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#10)

So your answer to who has seen the Obama document is the "entire Republican and Democrat party."

Gatcha.....

No, my answer is that's who's satisfied with his status.

You really ought to send Michael Steele and Hillary Clinton an email and ask them about it.

Unlike you and Orly and Berg, they do have status to file a lawsuit if they suspect fraud has taken place. They've also got access to really good lawyers.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-06-20   16:06:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#11)

No, my answer is that's who's satisfied with his status.

That wasn't my question.

My question is please name anyone who has seen His qualifying documents?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-06-20   16:57:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#12)

My question is please name anyone who has seen His qualifying documents?

Define "qualifying documents". Cite your source.

Then define who has the authority to require them. Cite your source.

Then send them an email asking your question.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-06-20   17:08:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Jethro Tull (#12) (Edited)

My question is please name anyone who has seen His qualifying documents?

Apparently, you are experiencing a bad-hair Saturday dog afternoon. I know, I know ... it is not your personal fault. The attributable characteristics about you stated conundrum could be linked to a genetic defect about your own individualized being. You should feel entitled to get some free government support about your condition. I am starting a Jethro fund in good conscience about how to hot enable you to not just breach the limitations of your own being but understand the world around you.

I just put a penny into the bucket to start off the campaign drive. Good luck. Keep smoking a cigar from Cuba.

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-06-20   17:10:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: IDon'tThinkSo, Jethro Tull (#13)

Define "qualifying documents". Cite your source.

His original Birth Certificate.

Eye witness' including family members claim he was born in Kenya, not Hawaii. No such controversy existed with the other candidates. But you knew that already, you're just being another useful idiot.

"America without her freedoms, is like a body without a soul" - Adam Kokesh

Flintlock  posted on  2009-06-20   17:31:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#13)

Define "qualifying documents". Cite your source.

Then define who has the authority to require them. Cite your source.

Let's answer them in reverse, if that's OK.

Elections are held and certified at that state level, although there is a significant amount of federal regulation. The authority to determine if candidates have met qualifications is the secretary of state of each state.

As to qualifying documents, the qualifications generally include facts as to age and residency, so yes birth or naturalization documents would be required as well as voter registration documentation.

As far as citing sources, that would be an interesting hunt, and I would do it myself right now, but I've been blamming away at rifle targets in the hot Tex- ass sun, I've been drinking beer with Turkish soldiers & I'm all in.

I believe that the above facts are fairly well established, although I'm not litigating in the area. I'm sure a judge would have us show more.

But let's not pretend that because, in some instances, qualifying procedures have fallen into abeyance that such procedures do not exist or that qualifications for office no longer exist and that individuals cannot be challenged for the lack of them.

Cheers.

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randge  posted on  2009-06-20   18:57:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Flintlock (#15) (Edited)

His original Birth Certificate.

Define "qualifying documents". Cite your source.

Then define who has the authority to require them. Cite your source.

Eye witness' including family members claim he was born in Kenya, not Hawaii.

Cite your source.

Also, just for kicks, explain to me why Hillary Clinton, a woman who believed that being president was hers for the asking, never brought this up. Do you really think if there was any evidence at all that the Clinton Machine would have failed to use it?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-06-20   19:55:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#13)

Define "qualifying documents". Cite your source.

That would be his BC, and it also happens to he the title of your post -

Meet Orly Taitz, Queen Bee of People Obsessed With Barack Obama's Birth Certificate

Who has seen it?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-06-20   20:04:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#17)

Flintlock - Eye witness' including family members claim he was born in Kenya, not Hawaii.

IDon'tThink - Cite your source.

Is that all? You are a lefty simpleton, aren't you.

Listen to granny obama in her own words

"America without her freedoms, is like a body without a soul" - Adam Kokesh

Flintlock  posted on  2009-06-20   20:06:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull, Flintlock (#18)

Also, just for kicks, explain to me why Hillary Clinton, a woman who believed that being president was hers for the asking, never brought this up. Do you really think if there was any evidence at all that the Clinton Machine would have failed to use it?

Do you also think the Republicans wouldn't have used it, either.

If you can't explain this, then I say you've got nothing at all and are wasting your time.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-06-20   20:16:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#20)

I hear you, no answer.....

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-06-20   20:21:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Flintlock (#19)

Listen to granny obama in her own words

I did. I don't speak her language, so I have no idea what she said.

Hell, I don't even know for sure that she is his grandmother.

Of course, I'm supposed to believe what superimposed titles made by an unnamed source say is the truth.

Sorry, you'll have to do better than that.

You could also answer the question I posed to you above, twice now.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-06-20   20:22:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Jethro Tull (#21)

I hear you, no answer.....

It's pretty obvious that you don't have one.

If the Clinton's didn't find and use this it means that there was nothing to find. That's the best evidence of all.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-06-20   20:24:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#23)

What do the Clinton's have to do with the article you posted?

Would you believe that nobody has seen his BC? Is it possible? If it is, why aren't questions concerning it legitimate since his layabout father was from Kenya and his mother, a fellow traveler, made frequent trips there? Why would simple inquires about an open question annoy you, or anybody else? Why so defensive if you obviously haven't answers?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-06-20   20:31:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#22)

I don't speak her language, so I have no idea what she said.

I do, the translation is 100% accurate.

Obama was born in Kenya

"America without her freedoms, is like a body without a soul" - Adam Kokesh

Flintlock  posted on  2009-06-20   20:38:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

What do the Clinton's have to do with the article you posted?

It has to do with the total inability of people obsessed with Obama's birth certificate to answer obvious questions before jumping into the conspiracy well.

Nobody except the birthers believe any of this, for good reason. Not Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, who both hate Obama, nor Michael Medved who calls you people cranks, not even Glen Beck.

Not Lou Dobbs, or Bill O'Reilly, or Kathleen Parker, or Michelle Malkin, or Peggy Noonan.

Nobody but you, Orly, and Phil Berg.

Think about it.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-06-20   20:45:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#26) (Edited)

I don't care where he was born, this isn't a burning issue to me. I do enjoy poking O'bots with simple questions they cant answer, tho. You're a case in point.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-06-20   20:53:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

Why would simple inquires about an open question annoy you, or anybody else? Why so defensive if you obviously haven't answers?

They don't annoy me in the least. I find it all to be hilarious, the only good thing to have come out of the last election.

I hope it keeps up for the next four years, and beyond, if Obama is re-elected.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-06-20   20:58:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#28)

Would you like this Obama fellow reelected? Are you glad he is currently president?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-06-20   21:02:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Flintlock (#19)

Flintlock - Eye witness' including family members claim he was born in Kenya, not Hawaii.

And a hospital in Hawaii that claims he was born there.

lucysmom  posted on  2009-06-20   21:05:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Jethro Tull (#29)

Would you like this Obama fellow reelected? Are you glad he is currently president?

No and no.

And no, I didn't vote for him.

I didn't vote for anybody for pres this time around, and the way things are going it looks like I won't be voting for anybody in 2012 either.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-06-20   21:08:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: lucysmom (#30)

That's new to me. Which one is that?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-06-20   21:08:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#31)

I didn't vote for anybody for pres this time around, and the way things are going it looks like I won't be voting for anybody in 2012 either.

Same with me. They're all bags of dung, the only difference is the R-D label which some folks still thinks makes a difference.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-06-20   21:10:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#31)

it looks like I won't be voting for anybody in 2012 either.

Eighty million eligible AMERICANS DID NOT VOTE.

I was one.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-06-20   21:11:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Jethro Tull (#29)

Would you like this Obama fellow reelected? Are you glad he is currently president?

So far, Obama is delivering methods of approach to bring America back to life far better than the old, staus quo regime that you probably voted for. But you already knew that, didn't you?

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-06-20   21:14:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: lucysmom (#30)

And a hospital in Hawaii that claims he was born there.

What the hell would they know?

Internet Powerhouse Andy Martin said he wasn't born there, just before he said that he was.

But then he said Obama's name isn't Obama, but Davis, and his father is Frank Marshall Davis. But he may have changed his mind again.

It's hard keeping up with these people, even though there's only three of them.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-06-20   21:15:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#36)

It's hard keeping up with these people, even though there's only three of them.

Yeah. They are collectively called: "World" "Net" "Daily."

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-06-20   21:19:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#35)

Buckeroo you old goof, my last vote was for Buchanan in '00. I'm done with their rigged game. And I don't believe for a second you are giving this fraud some love. You're many things, but you aren't a socialist :P

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-06-20   21:21:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#37) (Edited)

Is that you, bucky?

It doesn't seem like it. You're much too calm.

How about a little Mudboy Slim song to get the blood pressure up?

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-06-20   21:26:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Jethro Tull (#38)

You make many claims about your old grasp of history. And what did you do in 2004 and 2008? Nothing? Did America see you marching in the streets when George Bush was installing orders to permit illegal immigration programs at an all time high? If so, show me. But moreover I am interested in whom you voted for since then.

Did you cast your ballot immediately after having a few whiskey jars thrust down your gurgling throat?

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-06-20   21:31:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#40)

You make many claims about your old grasp of history. And what did you do in 2004 and 2008? Nothing?

Bucky, if "my last vote was for Buchanan in '00", this would answer what I "did" in '04 and '08.

Comprendo?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-06-20   21:40:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Jethro Tull (#41)

Everything you say is worthless now. It is meaningless; not just your own ideas about politics but what you have personally performed ignoring the transitions of America. What happened to you along the way? Why don't you fight for your own beliefs and family and friends besides business interests?

What happened to you wherein you just don't care about the world around you anymore?

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-06-20   21:47:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#42)

What happened to you wherein you just don't care about the world around you anymore?

LMFAO (seriously)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-06-20   22:07:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Jethro Tull (#43)

Your comment about LMFAO is again meaningless to the discussion. You just add to the heartburn and dispair of your lack of love for and about America. It is clear where you receive your marching orders; it is within Washington DC so you receive your goddamned rewards for working as a desk clerk in the government all along.

But do you actually care about the world around us? Of course not. You only care about your pension guaranteed by the US government; and we all know you worked hard and long and probably made a difference in the settings you were allowed to participate within; no one condemns you for following orders to receive your pension.

But you are not an original personality by any method, shape or form; you are a leech upon society. Watch the world change around you as you think you are well protected by government closure while you think your indifference is some sort of claim about insurance.

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-06-20   22:34:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#44)

you are a leech upon society

Give me all your money and whisky, NOW! I demand it! Hell, I earned it!!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-06-20   22:43:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: IDon'tThinkSo, Jethro Tull (#5)

I'll try again, who has seen Obama's qualifying documents?

Apparently, everybody who counts, unless you really think he fooled the DNC and RNC.

All I know is the I've never seen any politician's "qualifying documents", and I doubt that you have either. I'm not even aware of any legal requirement to produce them.

Maybe instead of beating on this dead issue, you'd be better served trying to get a law passed that requires all candidates to prove their eligibility for the position they're running for. I'll support you 100% on tha

Nice disinfo ploy, but there has never been a question raised about the legitimate standing of any of the other figures you mention. They are, however, irrelevant in the question to hand. Whether the RNC or DNC were fooled, or more likely complicit, is also irrelevant to determining the truth of the matter.

There is a substantial body of circumstantial evidence suggesting that Mr. Oh'bummer is not qualified to hold the office he infests by virtue of not meeting the Constitutional requirements for the office.

The fact that he used his INDONESIAN Passport after the age of 18 (Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship) and that there is no known record of his ever being re-naturalized strongly suggests that he may not even be an American Citizen let alone a "natural born" American Citizen.

There is enough evidence to suggest that his actual birthplace was Kenya to warrant an investigation as to whether he has committed electoral fraud. No one spends in excess of 1 million dollars in legal fees to suppress a 35 dollar document which would settle the question immediately if he could actually produce it.

Your attempts to divert and confuse are noted.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-06-20   22:46:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#36)

It's hard keeping up with these people,

If I may, it's hard keeping up with any of this. It's enough to make your head explode.

You comment on the Clinton bears some reflection, and it was shocking to me when she folded. I think that lots of her followers were shocked too. Remember that the trail of bodies that the Clintons left in their wake was long and peopled with friends as well as foes. There's a lot of dirt underneath their finger nails. Heavy factions payed a lot of dough to see Obama put into office. Who knows what deals were cut?

And talk about enigmas. Obama, the star, is one. What do we have for a paper trail on this guy? Some ghost written books and a little cheesy poetry. No college writings or scholarshsip or records of any kind by this purported scholar. No transcripts for this professor, not a professor. The long sought long form BC is just the end of a long train of documents that are missing from the picture.

Really, lots of us have more questions that answers, not the least of which is why this man is spending so much money on lawyers to keep something about his past secret. It's not a healthy situation, to put it mildly.

You're welcome to throw ad hominems at us for asking these questions, but this is not a partisan thing. Many of us who are deeply distracted by Obama locking us out of his past are the same ones who wouldn't let the question of Bush's draft records go.

Of course, with this class of dissemblers, professionals at blowing smoke and prevaricating, you just can't win. It's hard keeping up with these people.

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randge  posted on  2009-06-20   22:47:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Jethro Tull (#45)

I don't drink whiskey by any measure shape or scope unless I am with friends; friends I can trust about my most innermost, heartfelt considerations.

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-06-20   22:51:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Jethro Tull, grace_is_by_our_lord (#45)

you are a leech upon society

I try, may the vast emptiness of space comfort you, too, you monkey fucking aboriginal prevert

The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer

Dakmar  posted on  2009-06-20   22:57:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: randge, Original_Intent (#47)

And talk about enigmas. Obama, the star, is one. What do we have for a paper trail on this guy? Some ghost written books and a little cheesy poetry. No college writings or scholarshsip or records of any kind by this purported scholar. No transcripts for this professor, not a professor. The long sought long form BC is just the end of a long train of documents that are missing from the picture.

well put.

No one spends in excess of 1 million dollars in legal fees to suppress a 35 dollar document which would settle the question immediately if he could actually produce it.

that cinches it for me. not that it matters. the anti-american NWO PTB wanted this man. he, like his predecessors, was selected long ago.

The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama

christine  posted on  2009-06-20   23:22:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: grace_is_by_our_lord, jethro tull (#48)

Turn me on, dead man!

The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer

Dakmar  posted on  2009-06-20   23:24:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: christine (#50)

In the distance, I hear a drumroll.

It's 2012.

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randge  posted on  2009-06-20   23:27:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Jethro Tull (#32)

That's new to me. Which one is that?

Watch the video

http://www.kapiolanigift.org/centennial.aspx?id=1728

lucysmom  posted on  2009-06-20   23:28:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: randge (#52)

It's 2012.

Dec. 21, Mayan calender?????

Cynicom  posted on  2009-06-20   23:35:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#36)

Internet Powerhouse Andy Martin said he wasn't born there, just before he said that he was.

But then he said Obama's name isn't Obama, but Davis, and his father is Frank Marshall Davis. But he may have changed his mind again.

It's hard keeping up with these people, even though there's only three of them.

I agree.

In 2008 WND said they examined Obama's CoLB and found it to be genuine but lately they don't seem so sure.

lucysmom  posted on  2009-06-20   23:38:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Cynicom, randge (#54)

Dec. 21, Mayan calender?????

Eeek, isn't that the eve of destruction or something like running out of tampons or menthol cigarettes?

The ultimate effect of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools. - Herbert Spencer

Dakmar  posted on  2009-06-20   23:41:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Dakmar (#51)

Oh sure. Another drag&droop YouTube internet pointer to prove a point. How brilliant and totally capable you are.

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-06-21   0:09:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#57)

Post again when you sober up.

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randge  posted on  2009-06-21   0:11:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Cynicom (#54)

E - blinking - lection.

We're gonna wanna see Barky's bona fides.

Fifty state Dem party officials as well as secretaries of state are going to be asked to qualify this bird.

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randge  posted on  2009-06-21   0:14:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: randge (#58)

What are discussing? The fact that you think I am a towndrunk or that Jethro is a charlatan and outright liar concerning his own ambitions of life?

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-06-21   0:14:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#60)

What are discussing?

We can discuss whatever you like.

What would you like to discuss?

I'll be glad to accomodate you. I'm flexible you know.

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randge  posted on  2009-06-21   0:19:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: lucysmom, christine, IDon'tThinkSo, Jethro Tull, randge (#55) (Edited)

Internet Powerhouse Andy Martin said he wasn't born there, just before he said that he was.

But then he said Obama's name isn't Obama, but Davis, and his father is Frank Marshall Davis. But he may have changed his mind again.

It's hard keeping up with these people, even though there's only three of them.

I agree.

In 2008 WND said they examined Obama's CoLB and found it to be genuine but lately they don't seem so sure.

That the O'bots are finding it necessary to spam boards with disinfo lines is an interesting datum itself.

It says that the birth certificate/citizenship question has legs and teeth and that the attempt to keep a lid on it to keep it from exploding has been ordered.

It also means that the controlling elites are a little worried. I want to see them a lot worried.

Oh'bummer is their Achilles Heel. A lot of their programs are being pushed through under his signature. If he is found, or I should say legally proven, to not be a lawful occupant of the Oval Office then everything he has signed into law instantly turns to shit. Poof! (Not "Poofter") It is all gone. Instantly. It also means the Bankster Rip-off becomes a vulnerability.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-06-21   0:21:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: randge (#61)

What would you like to discuss?

I am fairly flexible. And I want to point out how sinister your town drunk ( Jethro) really is. What do you think of debate based upon objectiveness? A mere wisp of the will for greedy bastards collecting an unrealistic withdrawal of our hard earned tax dollars?

Your turn, friend.

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-06-21   0:27:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Original_Intent (#62)

What's your sense?

Can they run him again? It's all too bizarre as it is. I don't think that this will fly again.

Things may be so bad by then that he will just bow out.

Clinton was so bad the Bush II looked like a bargain to many. Bush II's Bozo the Clown act was a cinch to follow even for a newbie like 'Bama. His admnistration may stink so bad at the end of four years that rubes will go for Bush III - the Last President of the United States.

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randge  posted on  2009-06-21   0:35:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#63)

Honestly, I cannot comment on facts for which I have no corroboration. I also dislike discussing biographical details of other poster that they have not volunteered.

And I don't know how sinister JT is in his cups. I haven't witnessed him post in anything other than a continent state of mind, nor have I seen him inflict sinisterness on other posters. He's OK and just apple dandy in my book.

As far as objectivity goes, that's always a matter of opinion these days. It's become so arbitrary that no one knows what they're talking about any more. It's just something that we have to live with - or without.

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randge  posted on  2009-06-21   0:50:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: randge, Jethro Tull (#65)

Ever see (Jethro) come out about RKBA? Oh sure he posted a YouTube lala land scenario never concerned with his own direct capabilities to communicate concerning individual rights. The fucker probably has no guns and considers the resources about individual rights against the current law.

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-06-21   0:56:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Original_Intent (#62)

That the O'bots are finding it necessary to spam boards with disinfo lines is an interesting datum itself.

It says that the birth certificate/citizenship question has legs and teeth and that the attempt to keep a lid on it to keep it from exploding has been ordered.

That's my feeling. If it's a waste of time you'd think the Os would be silent and allow people to spin their wheels.

IIRC, didn't this all begin after His campaign website posted some silly POS CoLB then was forced to take it down when it was challenged?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-06-21   9:00:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#66)

Alcohol is not your friend.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-06-21   9:01:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Jethro Tull (#68)

Why do you say that? Just the other day I was participating in the Lord's supper and drinking from the vine.

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-06-21   9:06:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: randge (#64)

What's your sense?

Can they run him again? It's all too bizarre as it is. I don't think that this will fly again.

Things may be so bad by then that he will just bow out.

Clinton was so bad the Bush II looked like a bargain to many. Bush II's Bozo the Clown act was a cinch to follow even for a newbie like 'Bama. His admnistration may stink so bad at the end of four years that rubes will go for Bush III - the Last President of the United States.

Good questions. My general sense is that even the Obamatards are getting nervous. The avoidance of the Birth Certificate combined with the cognitive dissonance of his words versus his actions is causing consternation among all but the most stupid, or willfully ignorant, of his swallowers. Where this will lead is at this point not entirely predictable.

The forces, individuals with names like Rothschild and Rockefeller, that put Oh'bummer in the Offal Office are not going to give up easily. They can't, they're psychotic and although they think they are great and smart they are under the control of and driven by their own psychotic demons - chimeras in their own minds.

Yes they can run him again barring an explosion they can't contain, such as his citizenship. However, he can't win without massive vote fraud - again. Since the psychotics control the media they can continue with the Psychiatric manipulations via media and thus information control, and that still works. As well they are putting in digital TV to use more direct subliminal control and mood control frequencies heterodyned on the signal.

We are at an interesting juncture at this point because they are beginning to see and feel their attempt to enslave us being blunted. Psychotics are an interesting study though - in that they will keep coming, and coming, and coming, and when faced with continued and determined opposition they shatter. They are not sane and while quite determined in their insanity they are also very brittle.

The situation is still fluid and we have to keep pushing back on every front we can. Exposing the dishonesty to full view is one of the most effective. We, those who just wish to be left alone to pursue our freedom, outnumber them, the elites (which worldwide is maybe 10,000 total) millions to one. They know that, and they know that information control and manipulation is still a necessity for them to try to control the "masses", the hoi polloi, the great unwashed, in other words us. Their grip is firm but the rock they are grasping is crumbling from the rot.

Stay tuned.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-06-21   10:41:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Jethro Tull (#67)

That the O'bots are finding it necessary to spam boards with disinfo lines is an interesting datum itself.

It says that the birth certificate/citizenship question has legs and teeth and that the attempt to keep a lid on it to keep it from exploding has been ordered.

That's my feeling. If it's a waste of time you'd think the Os would be silent and allow people to spin their wheels.

IIRC, didn't this all begin after His campaign website posted some silly POS CoLB then was forced to take it down when it was challenged?

Exactomundo mon ami'. If it truly was of no concern the issue of Oh'bummer's citizenship would be ignored. However, it is not being ignored and that telegraphs the concern of the psychos who elevated him to his position. If Oh'bummer is brought down on this issue then every program of theirs which he has been ordered to sign into place disappears instantly. It also then provides stable grounds from which patriots can counterattack.

As well the CoLB itself is problematic as I have read at least one analysis by a computer forensics guy that asserted that even the CoLB has been digitally retouched. The assertion made was that it could be his sister's and then manipulated via Photoshop, or some such, to make it appear as his. Notice that the only public copy ever released was on his website and no hard copy has ever been made available. At this point there is too much data in the public domain for them to try and put forth a phony BC because it would have to list the Doctor and Hospital and those avenues have been charted by investigators looking for a chink in the stonewall armor of the Obamessiah's handlers preps. As well there are lots of secondary documents, College Records most notably, which have been corralled and locked away. That is another smoking gun and so there is simply too much out there for them to risk a phony certificate and thus all they can do is "stonewall" - and the mortar is rotting.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-06-21   10:54:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Original_Intent, randge (#70)

The forces, individuals with names like Rothschild and Rockefeller, that put Oh'bummer in the Offal Office are not going to give up easily. They can't, they're psychotic and although they think they are great and smart they are under the control of and driven by their own psychotic demons - chimeras in their own minds.

OI...

Dont forget the Nixons and Eisenhowers that stepped forward in unison to declare their faith, fidelity and support for Obama. That was for me an oddity of politics that confirmed for the non believers that there is indeed only one political party, the ruling elite.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-06-21   10:55:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Cynicom, O_I, randge, all (#72)

Look at the bright side. Os high water mark has been reached and the receding has begun. He is the most over exposed politician in American history and with each additional appearance his stunning oratory skills grow more familiar and tiresome. If this trend continues buyers remorse will eat up 20% of His popularity. Soon it will be Him, his sycophants, the mediapolitical elites v the people.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-06-21   11:10:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Jethro Tull (#73)

Soon it will be Him, his sycophants, the mediapolitical elites v the people.

"Soon it will be Him, his sycophants, the mediapolitical elites v Americans.

Little editing, free of charge, for clarification purposes only.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-06-21   11:14:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tull (#72)

Dont forget the Nixons and Eisenhowers that stepped forward in unison to declare their faith, fidelity and support for Obama. That was for me an oddity of politics that confirmed for the non believers that there is indeed only one political party, the ruling elite.

I suspect it may have hit a few others as well. The rot, at this point, is becoming obvious, the question for a lot of people now is not "is it rotten" but what to do? That is also what the elites are afraid of: What will they do?

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-06-21   11:28:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Original_Intent (#71)

As well the CoLB itself is problematic as I have read at least one analysis by a computer forensics guy that asserted that even the CoLB has been digitally retouched.

According to WND

A separate WND investigation into Obama's birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214

lucysmom  posted on  2009-06-21   11:45:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Original_Intent (#75)

That is also what the elites are afraid of: What will they do?

Indeed.

If I recall correctly, buried within the DHS and Patriot act is little known provision that under certain circumstances, to be decided by DHS... ALL CIVILIAN LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONELL WOULD COME UNDER DIRECT AND COMPLETE CONTROL OF DHS..

No exceptions, State, city, local and county police would be under DHS control.

Perhaps you recall that???? Or am I off the track?

Cynicom  posted on  2009-06-21   12:04:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: lucysmom (#76)

According to WND

No defense of WND here, so please tell me what media source you reference regarding Os constitutional fitness to hold office?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-06-21   13:58:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Cynicom (#77)

If I recall correctly, buried within the DHS and Patriot act is little known provision that under certain circumstances, to be decided by DHS... ALL CIVILIAN LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL WOULD COME UNDER DIRECT AND COMPLETE CONTROL OF DHS..

I thought that the 'emergency' would be declared by the potus to trigger this.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-06-21   14:31:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: lodwick (#79)

I thought that the 'emergency' would be declared by the potus to trigger this.

You prolly correct.

I cannot find it. Something they not want too many of the sheep to know.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-06-21   14:34:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Original_Intent (#46)

Whether the RNC or DNC were fooled, or more likely complicit, is also irrelevant to determining the truth of the matter.

It's hardly irrelevant.

You need to explain to all of us why they would be complicit, because if you're right there's nothing on earth you can do about it.

I'll look forward to your explanation.

Also, while you're at it, would you provide evidence of the following claims you've made:

1) The fact that he used his INDONESIAN Passport after the age of 18

2) No one spends in excess of 1 million dollars in legal fees .....

Thanks

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-06-21   15:22:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: lodwick, Cynicom (#79)

I thought that the 'emergency' would be declared by the potus to trigger this.

The movie Washington You're Fired lays it out pretty good.


"The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
--George Washington, General Orders, August 23, 1776

farmfriend  posted on  2009-06-21   15:38:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: farmfriend (#82)

I'll see if it's on the 'tube. Thanks.

Iran Truth Now!

Lod  posted on  2009-06-21   15:57:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Cynicom (#77)

That is also what the elites are afraid of: What will they do?

Indeed.

If I recall correctly, buried within the DHS and Patriot act is little known provision that under certain circumstances, to be decided by DHS... ALL CIVILIAN LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONELL WOULD COME UNDER DIRECT AND COMPLETE CONTROL OF DHS..

No exceptions, State, city, local and county police would be under DHS control.

Perhaps you recall that???? Or am I off the track?

I believe you are correct. The unanswered question is that how many PD's etc., would rebel and tell them to "stuff it". I think that is a key datum, and I also think it is why they haven't clamped down harder and more quickly. I would suspect that their own analysis is that as soon as it became apparent that it was a putsch from Washington that a lot of Cops would disobey and a lot of localities would demand that their local PD's not cooperate with the Feds. I seem to recall one Wyoming Sheriff who kicked the Feds out of his County. I've been told that the Sheriff in any given jurisdiction is the senior and controlling law enforcement officer. I do know the Feds cannot operate in a Sheriff's jurisdiction without his consent.

As well is the wild card of "Oathkeepers".

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-06-21   23:18:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: Original_Intent (#84)

recall one Wyoming Sheriff who kicked the Feds out of his County.

I recall that also.

In years gone by, prior to establishment of "SWAT Teams, I would have said that there would be many police that would rebel.

Those SWAT people are a different breed of cat. More and more we see the shaved head type, dont liked that either.

Too many storm troopers willing to break heads.

Cynicom  posted on  2009-06-21   23:33:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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