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Title: Video of dead girl in Iran is fake (?)
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Published: Jun 22, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-06-22 12:52:39 by PSUSA
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I found the following at another board. This is not my work. At first, I believed the video did depict a “real” death. Now, I realize it’s fake. Notice that the girl “helped” lower herself to the ground with her left hand. She’s helping to support herself AFTER being shot in the heart? NO WAY! A person shot in the heart badly enough to cause death withing two minutes (people have survived a gunshot wound to the heart) CANNOT “help” lower themselves to the ground. Also, you can clearly see the girl’s left hand move up to her face then back down again AFTER she’s supposed to be unconscious. Where are the blood streaks caused from dragged her over to the side of the road? She rolls her eyes back in her head like she’s dead, then opens them, then rolls them back again. People don’t die, then close their own eyes, then die “again.” Also, consider: 1. Frame: Girl is not bleeding, and she doesn't have any wound around head or neck: 2. Frame: Girl is watching camera, like saying"I'm ready for show" 3. Frame: Girl is still watching camera, and can you notice small plastic bag with red liquid in right hand of man standing above her: 4. Frame: Between 11-13 second of video, man is spilling red liquid on her face: 5. Frame: Just few seconds after, her face is full of blood, and it's physically impossible to produce so much blood in such a short period of time: 6. There is footage of a few seconds before she got shot (from a "seperate" video) and footage after she is wounded. No footage of the shot itself. Why?! 7. There is no funeral whatsoever. "Protesters" claim this is because the government banned her funeral. Now just WHO is the "conspiracy theorist"? I think its more likely that there is no funeral because she didn't die. (Occam's Razor) 8. Isn't it convienet her name means "voice". The fake martyr is given a fake name that fits with propaganda purposes of the video. 9. On wikipedia, various pages alternately report her age as 16, then 26. This is understandable perhaps for wikipedia, but I've noticed the same thing for various MSM outlets over the past 24 hours. I guess when people started questioning that the woman in the video is not 16, they switched it to 26.
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#1. To: PSUSA (#0)
i watched the video again and i see that no blood appears from her mouth until the man puts his hand up next to it. also, i didn't see blood anywhere on her chest or clothing. it could very well be fake.
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I didn't bother watching that video. I recently made the mistake of seeing a few seconds of a real one, made by real murderers that thought it was fun. So I just wasn't in the mood. But this one might be worth watching, from a skeptical perspective. .
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do. i'm curious to get your opinion now.
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www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=102118 I still don't see it as being fake.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Neither do I. Looks like the only psyop now, is denial.
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I know. There was blood on her clothes and on the ground and the man in the striped shirt from about second 2. Her head was lower than the wound. I can see how it could have poured out of her mouth and nose and ears. When the man puts his hand up to her face, it looks to me like his hand is EMPTY. I wonder if that insert picture with the "bag" is fake.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
From where the video starts, she is crouched down. When she falls, there is blood on the ground and on her torso. There is blood on her leg. The blood on his hand looks just like that. Seeing someone die from a massive wound is not something many see often, so it is easy to think that she is just acting by looking into the camera. However, I think the reality is far from that. Don't believe everything you read on these here internets.
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However, I think the reality is far from that. I know what you mean. I didn't think that then, and I don't think that now. I don't know where you stand on THIS issue, but my hope and prayer is that she was looking at Christ as He took her hand and said "Come with me, child. No one will every hurt you again."
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Once again, anything is possible in terms of fabrication. But the position of her friends hand belie a wound to the heart. The hands appear to be covering a spot to the upper left of the sternum. She appears to be hit in a place that would have caused a puncture of the upper left lung. Such a hit might have struck a rib, absorbing part of the energy of the bullet with no exit wound. With the bullet lodged in the body, that might account for the lack of other blood on the pavement. If she was indeed hit in the lung, blood is going to well up through the trachea as she is lowered to the ground and flow up through the mouth and nose as lung and breathing passages slowly fill up. Hard to tell from color balance, but the blood looks dark, not like arterial blood. I wonder if the bullet peirced a vein in the lung area, but my anatomy is not that good. I don't see a bag in the close up. This video looks real to me. The reaction of the crowd would have been difficult to rehearse, but then, as I said anything is possible. We never seem to get all the facts.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. FWIW, here's my take. 0:00 - 0:04 IMO the pool of blood looks is in the wrong place. :07 looks like he is putting pressure on the wound. The heart is lower on the chest. http://www.tki.org.nz/r/science/science_is/activities/resources/heart_chest_cavity.pdf. I would expect to see blood on the rescuers hands. I didnt see any. People bleed a lot when they are shot. There was very little blood. And if this was the real deal, they'd have ripped off her shirt, modesty be damned. Right at about :13 - :15 look at both how her head is turned and at the hand on the far side of her head. The far side of her head is higher. It also has more blood on it. Blood should, IMO, flow downhill if she was bleeding from the nose and mouth. I think that man put some "blood" on her face. Would it be that way if this was real? So, not being a doctor, that's how I see it. Unless someone with more gunshot wound experience chimes in with more info, I call it a fake too. .
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Neither do I. Well, you could be right. But just saying it doesn't make it so. What makes you say it's "real"? Do you have REASONS for it? .
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Also, again not my idea I'm just passing it on, when someone is shot, one does not mill around and twiddle ones thumbs like these people did on the video. That is even more telling than the specifics on this video. I didn't even think of that aspect of the video until someone made a great point about it. The last thing I'd think of doing was videotaping it. And I've been thru that shit once before. ,
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It is difficult to tell for sure, but there looks like blood on the rescuer's hand almost from the very beginning, definitely at seconds 6-7, and before the rescuer puts his hand to her face. The blood IS flowing down...toward the ground [south] from her nose and mouth [north]. Also look at her expression at second 2....a combination of pain, shock and who knows what else....imo, it doesn't appear fake. As randge said, the reaction of the crowd does not seem fake either. As it becomes obvious she is succumbing, the frantic, increased flurry of activity, the shouts of horror and as if by yelling they can prevent her soul escaping, is chilling.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
frame 2, 3, look like a cheap sesame street version eyes inserted into the picture....pupils are not coherent, etc.
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observe pic 2. these are photoshopped eyes, pupils are not realistic.
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Again, I say that you could be right and this is real. But you cannot go on the reaction of the crowd. How do you know it's genuine and not acting? What do you think psyops is? Like a kindergarten play? This shit is real. The crowd would not be standing around yelling after someone gets shot. They'd be trying to dig themselves into the pavement. There is one thing that is guaranfuckingteed to put you into a state of fear, and that is shots fired and someone dying. There are only 2 possible responses, fight or flight. Or it can alternate between the two. The VERY LAST THING you would do is stand around and yell a lot, or videotape it when the murderer is still on the loose. Indie and Jethro, what do you think of all this?
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You can blow this up some more. I see signs of blood coagulation and dilation of the eye. I won't go out on a limb on this. This is a martyrdon that the forces in the West welcome, as we're all aware here. When bunker busters, made in USA, rain down on Iran you can bet that we won't see the individual tragedies in the MSM. We will get the handsome fireworks display on the tube for sure. To all the Iranian people, we grieve for the horrors that our country has inflicted on you.
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. The photos are stills from the video. I dont know that you can photoshop videos.
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of course not. This shit is real. of course it is...they're playing for keeps. The crowd would not be standing around yelling after someone gets shot. They'd be trying to dig themselves into the pavement. There is one thing that is guaranfuckingteed to put you into a state of fear, and that is shots fired and someone dying. There are only 2 possible responses, fight or flight. Or it can alternate between the two. The VERY LAST THING you would do is stand around and yell a lot. If that were my child I would not be hitting the ground or fleeing. I would be doing what those people were doing in those fast-moving 40 seconds....fighting shock, trying to save her life, calling on God, screaming, panicing.....just about everything you see going on here.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
"To all the Iranian people, we grieve for the horrors that our country has inflicted on you. " God. I just want to cry. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
You say that now. I think you underestimate certain things, and overestimate other things. Dont tell me what you would do, unless you have been under that kind of stress before. If you have, then disregard this post.
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Well, if you're a fundamentalist Christian, you would have to say she was looking straight into the pit of Hell, because it is my understanding she is a Muslim. I don't particularly believe this "My way or to Hell with you" interpretation of the Bible, but many where I live do. I am hopeful that God is more as depicted in the "full of grace and mercy" passages of the New Testament rather than the vengeful "Yahweh" of the Old. If not, I guess I'll see this girl in Hell.
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I was sitting in the back of a van broadsided by a drunk on the interstate, and when my child cried from her infant seat in the passenger seat, I dove toward her to try to protect her. I was the only one who sustained injuries. Does that count?
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Comment by the poster of this video: Want to Subscribe? Sign In or Sign Up now! COMMENTS DISABLED, SOME PPL JUST CANT UNDERSTAND. Basij shots to death a young woman in Tehran's Saturday June 20th protests At 19:05 June 20th Place: Karekar Ave., at the corner crossing Khosravi ... COMMENTS DISABLED, SOME PPL JUST CANT UNDERSTAND. Basij shots to death a young woman in Tehran's Saturday June 20th protests At 19:05 June 20th Place: Karekar Ave., at the corner crossing Khosravi St. and Salehi st. A young woman who was standing aside with her father watching the protests was shot by a basij member hiding on the rooftop of a civilian house. He had clear shot at the girl and could not miss her. However, he aimed straight her heart. I am a doctor, so I rushed to try to save her. But the impact of the gunshot was so fierce that the bullet had blasted inside the victim's chest, and she died in less than 2 minutes. The protests were going on about 1 kilometers away in the main street and some of the protesting crowd were running from tear gass used among them, towards Salehi St. The film is shot by my friend who was standing beside me. Please let the world know. www.youtube.com/watch?eur...ble.com%2F2009%2F06%2F21% 2Fneda%2F&feature=player_embedded&v=bbdEf0QRsLM
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. I often wonder what happens in those seconds before someone meets their maker. Is there time in God's time to come to a meeting of minds? I hope so. That girl does not look like she had a mean bone in her body. I think that is the type of person God intends for His kingdom. My hope is that she is with Him today.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
thank you....as another poster said, how do we know it was a basij member? who benefits? "by deception thou shalt do war"
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
We don't. This comment shows that the people assisting the woman were not under sustained fire and didn't scatter as some posters noted that they should have. But, yes, we don't know who pulled the trigger. One implication of that is is that this could have been a provocation. We don't put this past our masters, do we? But once again, we don't know. Cui bono? I ask myself that question on a daily basis in response to current events. The words come with increasing frequency and intensity as disasters and acts of madness seem to pile up one against the other at breakneck speed these days. Cui bono?
Join 2x4 Tuesdays & protect your RKBA. thank you....yes, i see that....but they must have felt threatened at first, because the first thing they did was try to move her away, out of what they thought was the line of fire....following the "flee" reaction...but not leaving her behind whilst they sought "safety"....i'm sure their minds must have been roiling over what to do, how to respond...very shortly the gravity of the situation settled in and they realized their number one priority was to stop and try to stop the bleeding in order to save her life....how we wish they had been successful.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Mmmm not in the Muslim world. We've seen Palestinians get shot by Israeli cowards in tanks across the fence and the rest of the group does not at all run but stays with their comrade further taunting the Jew beast. I'd say, from other video proof, that this culture is one of the few that do not run when shots are fored and someone is hit. I can't comment on the rest yet; still watching.
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That seems to be the problem with any video coming out of the middle east.
I had a rental property in which one of my tenants shot her husband in the chest, killing him instantly. The pool of blood on the carpet where he fell was small, about the size of a baseball. That's my only experience with gunshots though.
0:00 No blood apparent. Men have just arrived and begin to move the girl. 0:01 As girl is moved, you see blood underneath her on the street, which is exactly what happens when someone is shot. The exit wound is larger and the blood would be beneath the body on the ground. -0:07 Even darker arterial blood is now seen pooling under the body. 0:08 Eyes first appear. (Not enough knowledge of photoshop, etc to comment; but I don't think someone in this position would be looking at an unnatural angle to see a camera - they would more likely be looking into the eyes of their rescuers.) 0:12 The man does nothing to cause the blood from the mouth. There is nothing in his hand. The blood appears real and spontaneous. Same with the nose at :14 The girl's eyes are an unknown. Based on everything else I see, I believe it is real, just as I thought when I first saw it. Some of the points brought up in the "vid is a fake" story aren't credible IMO. My conclusion is the video is real - but who can really know?? Who benefits from the "story is a lie" angle? Who benefits from this if it is true??
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Good. Thank you. The hands looked a little high to be in the CPR position, but that is JMO from what I see. What you say makes sense when you say "My conclusion is the video is real - but who can really know??. " If it's true, it is a horrifying video to watch. I don't like watching people die. Some of the points brought up in the "vid is a fake" story aren't credible Agreed. I posted it all in its entirety. But I think I have good reason to be suspicious for other reasons. .
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That's the key question. I've seen people shot who didn't know they were shot so as far as I'm concerned, each shooting is unique. The study of this vid. is speculation. I do know that we're asked to believe a bootleg video of a demonstration that the PTB *knows* was stolen from the pro-Western candidate. OK.....
At 0:09 and 0:10 her eyes appear to start to roll back, and someone [the man in the striped shirt? her father, perhaps?] calls out. At 0:11 or 0:12, the man in the striped shirt has his hands on either side of her face, perhaps calling to her, and his wrists are hanging very close to her neck area, which is where she appears to be bleeding from, and where the other man has been applying pressure. It looks to me like blood is visible on her neck at 0:12 just under the man in the striped shirt's left shoulder. At 0:12 she starts to bleed from her mouth; perhaps the man applying pressure backed off on the pressure a bit as the man in the striped shirt possibly and unintentionally impeded his efforts, allowing the blood to push up into her mouth and nose. By 0:16 the man in the striped shirt can be seen applying pressure to the other man's hands again, as if to help stop what is happening. I really don't see this as being faked, but I have no problem with the idea that the PTB might have been the ones who shot her, blamed it on the Basij [false flag], and/or twisted this footage to their advantage. [psy-op].
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Whence the original video? Thanks.
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Your pointer to the video gives me "bad page"
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Thanks. Here is a pic from another video. Notice the blood before the woman's feet. Is that fake? I don't know.
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#2. To: christine (#1)
#3. To: PSUSA (#2)
In a nation where the media has been squelched, out comes this award winner. What luck!
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#6. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, christine, PSUSA (#5)
I still don't see it as being fake.
#7. To: Clitora (#6)
#8. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#7)
I know. There was blood on her clothes and on the ground and the man in the striped shirt from about second 2. Her head was lower than the wound. I can see how it could have poured out of her mouth and nose and ears. When the man puts his hand up to her face, it looks to me like his hand is EMPTY. I wonder if that insert picture with the "bag" is fake.
#9. To: Clitora (#8)
it is easy to think that she is just acting by looking into the camera.
#10. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#7)
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#11. To: christine (#4)
#12. To: Clitora (#6)
I still don't see it as being fake.
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#16. To: All (#15)
#17. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, IndieTX, Jethro Tull (#14)
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the shouts of horror and as if by yelling they can prevent her soul escaping, is chilling.
#18. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#14)
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#19. To: gengis gandhi (#16)
these are photoshopped eyes, pupils are not realistic.
#20. To: PSUSA (#17)
What do you think psyops is? Like a kindergarten play?
#21. To: randge (#18)
thank you for that bit of info....i think....
#22. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#20)
If that were my child I would not be hitting the ground or fleeing. I would be doing what those people were doing in those fast-moving 40 seconds....fighting shock, trying to save her life, calling on God, screaming, panicing.....just about everything you see going on here.
#23. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#9)
#24. To: PSUSA (#22)
#25. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#20)
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#26. To: Sam Houston (#23)
I am hopeful that God is more as depicted in the "full of grace and mercy" passages of the New Testament rather than the vengeful "Yahweh" of the Old.
#27. To: randge (#25)
was shot by a basij member hiding on the rooftop of a civilian house
#28. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#27)
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thank you....as another poster said, how do we know it was a basij member?
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#29. To: randge (#28)
This comment shows that the people assisting the woman were not under sustained fire and didn't scatter as some posters noted that they should have.
#30. To: PSUSA (#17)
There are only 2 possible responses, fight or flight.
#31. To: christine, PSUSA (#1)
it could very well be fake.
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#32. To: PSUSA (#11)
People bleed a lot when they are shot. There was very little blood.
#33. To: PSUSA, christine, all (#0)
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Girl is wearing a black shirt which makes it impossible to see wound. Men have hands in CPR position. The "heart shot" can be disregarded because nobody can really know this (easily speculation); I don't think it's relevant to the veracity. She could have just as easily been shot in the lung.
#34. To: IndieTX (#33)
Based on everything else I see, I believe it is real, just as I thought when I first saw it. Some of the points brought up in the "vid is a fake" story aren't credible IMO. My conclusion is the video is real - but who can really know??
#35. To: IndieTX, all (#33)
Who benefits from the "story is a lie" angle? Who benefits from this if it is true??
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#38. To: randge (#25)
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