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Title: JFK - Shocking New Footage! Stabilized, filtered and in high definition: 05/12/2009
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Post Date: 2009-06-24 18:28:52 by Clitora
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#1. To: Clitora (#0)
JFK assassination: Secret Service Standdown
Actually, I think the "gun" you see is the reflection of the sun off of Agent Kellerman's hair. When the moment comes when the "gun" supposedly goes off, there's no muzzle flash and no recoil. Furthermore, the sheer force displayed when JFK's head literally explodes says to me that it was a rifle bullet that hit him, not a pistol bullet, unless said pistol was a .45, and if that was the case there would be a very prominent muzzle flash and one hell of a recoil. I've looked at this footage countless times, and have never agreed with the premise that Agent Greer fired a shot at JFK. Now, do I think Oswald acted alone? Hell no. I think JFK was caught in a crossfire, and the fatal shot came from in front of the limo, to the right. Why do I think that? Because his head snaps BACK and to the LEFT. That's why. It's basic physics. As compared to the utterly laughable "Magic Bullet" theory proposed by Senator Arlen Spector, which asks us all to believe that the laws of physics were suspended for a few momentous seconds in Dallas. I am of the opinion that the "Greer shot JFK" theory is a classic example of a "honeypot" set out by those who seek to discredit those who question the official lie.
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#2. To: Clitora (#0)
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#3. To: Clitora (#0)
Mother of God. Most of you here have been studying at this since for a damn long time. I think that we've heard and seen just about every speculation possible. But the more I review this stablized version of the Zapruder film, the more remarkable it is. I had to turn the lights out to see what was happening at 0:45. If this has not been tampered with, this is the most important revelation that I've seen in some time. "Hidden in plain sight."
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#4. To: Clitora. all (#0)
I don't know how many times that I've watched the 'driver did it,' video. I still cannot see it. All that I know is that the 'bullet-proof' roof was not used, and that the SS were waved off, and that LHO was the simple mullet that was framed for the murder, and that Jack Ruby took care of him shortly thereafter. Arlan 'Magic bullet' Specter took care of the rest of the cover-up.
#5. To: randge, all (#3)
It would explain why the secret service were ordered to not be on the back of the car in the video I posted at #1. They would have been able to see the driver fire the shot.
If this has not been tampered with, this is the most important revelation that I've seen in some time.
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#6. To: Elliott Jackalope (#2)
No, what you see is the blow out, exit not entrance. As for the head going back, oddly enough that is consistent with a shot from behind.
I think JFK was caught in a crossfire, and the fatal shot came from in front of the limo, to the right. Why do I think that? Because his head snaps BACK and to the LEFT. That's why. It's basic physics.
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#7. To: Elliott Jackalope (#2)
You might be right there. I notice that the throat shot in this film is refered to as "Oswald's." I'm with Collins Piper who thinks that there were two teams in town. Someone shot at Kennedy with a rifle, we know now from acoustic evidence, witnesses and bullet marks on the windshield frame. That accounts for the throat wound that has Jackie distracted. Conally and his wife were similarly distracted by his injuries. What makes this credible to me is that the driver turns AWAY from Kennedy as he is hit in the skull. I could well imagine that he might turn toward him at such a moment. Actually, the driver has no business looking in that direction at all. He has a partner as an observer. His job, when bullets are flying is to keep his eyes on the road and get to safety.
I am of the opinion that the "Greer shot JFK" theory is a classic example of a "honeypot" set out by those who seek to discredit those who question the official lie.
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#8. To: farmfriend (#6)
No, what you see is the blow out, exit not entrance. As for the head going back, oddly enough that is consistent with a shot from behind. I've never thought that the pattern of blood, bone and tissue that you see as the parietal portion of the skull comes away is consistent with a shot from behind. That's how the Dan Rather reenactments want us to view it. (And that's another reason in itself to doubt the head shot from behind.) In addition, it's not only his skull that goes forward, but his upper torso. The fatal shot came from the front.
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#9. To: randge (#8)
Correct. Grassy knoll bump
In addition, it's not only his skull that goes forward, but his upper torso. The fatal shot came from the front.
#10. To: randge, lodwick (#8)
I disagree. I've seen the science on this. His head and torso move backwards. This is consistent with the blowout visible on the film.
In addition, it's not only his skull that goes forward, but his upper torso. The fatal shot came from the front.
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#11. To: farmfriend (#10)
ff, my friend, Go out in your back yard, setup some bottles of water, shoot (and hit them), and see which way that they fall. Post videos, if you can. Thanks.
#12. To: Elliott Jackalope (#2)
I think part of their premise is that Jackie attempts to exit the vehicle from the rear. If someone is shooting at you go would intictively go away from the direction from which the gun is fired. Who would go toward the gun? I don't buy their theory myself but that part of their argument does work.
#13. To: randge (#8)
That's what I come away with after watching this countless times. The rest of the theories, although thought provoking, can be wrapped up tightly with industrial strength tin foil.
In addition, it's not only his skull that goes forward, but his upper torso. The fatal shot came from the front
#14. To: Jethro Tull (#13)
If you believe that even one shot came from the front, a number of theories unwrap themselves from the tinfoil, and become necessary conclusions.
That's what I come away with after watching this countless times. The rest of the theories, although thought provoking, can be wrapped up tightly with industrial strength tin foil.
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#15. To: lodwick (#11)
I've already seen such experiments done with melons. I wish I had it to post. Shoot a melon and it will jump towards the shot, not back. Try it yourself. Watch the footage again. It is the blow out in the front that kicks his head back.
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#16. To: farmfriend (#6)
A critique of the jet effect theory as an explanation for the rearward head movement of John Kennedy when allegedly shot from the right rear The simple claim of an equal and opposite reaction to the blown out brain matter being similar to the thrust developed in a rocket or jet engine, in response to its exhaust, is deceiving if one does not understand the mechanics involved. How thrust is developed in a rocket or jet engine and the role the exhaust plays is shown and explained in the figure and paragraphs below. See article for a debunking of the "jet effect" and precisely why the experiment was flawed.
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#17. To: Elliott Jackalope (#2)
Yes. Anything else is pathetic nonsense by folks who don't shoot and are ignorant of physics. Or are intentional liars.
, and the fatal shot came from in front of the limo, to the right. Why do I think that? Because his head snaps BACK and to the LEFT. That's why. It's basic physics.
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#18. To: farmfriend, All (#15)
Firing at a melon is not a particularly useful experiment in this case. But I will say this about the film which is the subject of this thread: IF YOU LOOK AT THE INDIVIDUAL FRAMES OF THE ZAPRUDER FILM, WHAT PASSES FOR THE "GUN" IN THIS PRESENTATION LOOKS MUCH DIFFERENT. I think that there is a good deal of suggestion in this presentation that may be misleading, even to people trying to be objective. CHECK THIS OUT: www.assassinationresearch.com /zfilm/ Here you can look at and blow up individual Zapruder film frames. View frames 305-320. You will get a different perspective on the "gun," the agent's "hand" and head.
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#19. To: farmfriend (#6)
Yeh that's pretty friqqing "odd". That's what all the head shots I've done to animals with high powered weapons have done------ NOT. They all have done EXACTLY what Issac Newton would have told you would have happened. And what did happen in 1963.
As for the head going back, oddly enough that is consistent with a shot from behind.
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#20. To: randge (#18) (Edited)
Thank you. Look closely at frame 312. The "gun" is visible..and I believe so is the driver's LEFT arm on the door arm rest. I don't know who shot him, but it has always appeared to me the shot came from the front. The agent in charge was obviously InOnIt for calling off the other agents.
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#21. To: lodwick (#11)
Post videos, if you can. Thanks. Yeppers. Anything else is nonsense, and easily provable to those interested. That this notion persists is a testament to something.
Go out in your back yard, setup some bottles of water, shoot (and hit them), and see which way that they fall.
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#22. To: farmfriend (#15)
Civil friendly Challenge. Does not happen. Conservation of momentum. So you kick a watermelon and it jumps at you?? Go shoot a pig in the head and see what happens.
I've already seen such experiments done with melons. I wish I had it to post. Shoot a melon and it will jump towards the shot, not back. Try it yourself. Watch the footage again. It is the blow out in the front that kicks his head back.
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#23. To: wudidiz (#1)
Who is the agent who calls them off? that is an interesting vid.
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#24. To: Elliott Jackalope (#2)
I beg to differ, sir. Right after the head shot, the driver turns around and hits the gas. Look again.
Actually, I think the "gun" you see is the reflection of the sun off of Agent Kellerman's hair.
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#25. To: wudidiz (#5)
The reactions of connelly and his wife show they were afraid of something in front. Close to them.
It would explain why the secret service were ordered to not be on the back of the car in the video I posted at #1. They would have been able to see the driver fire the shot.
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#26. To: Clitora (#24)
I have looked, repeatedly. Once again, if that was, in fact, a gun used to shook JFK at that range, then why don't we see either muzzle flash and/or recoil? That would be a BIG gun firing a BIG (I'd guess .45 ACP) round to create that kind of damage, where JFK's head literally explodes. So why no muzzle flash or recoil? Have you ever fired a .45 ACP? Those things pack a kick!
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#27. To: Elliott Jackalope, Clitora, , *balesping* (#26)
On JFK: About the assassination: The Zapruder film contains all the evidence one needs. Kennedy is first hit while the limo is behind the large street sign--around Zapruder frames 216-220. As Kennedy comes into view front behind the street sign his arms are in motion to grasp at his throat. By the time he comes into view from behind the sign, this bullet is LONG gone. This bullet hit Kennedy in his back and exited out his throat and hit no one else. As the frames continue and at 230, Connally has turned back to his right and towards Kennedy who is, by then, clutching his throat in reaction to being hit during frames 216-220. In frame 230, Connally’s RIGHT wrist can be clearly seen HOLDING his Stetson at chin level. Connally HAS NOT been hit in frame 230. From 230 to when Connolly is hit in frame 238, Connally swings back towards the front of the car; his right wrist makes a sweeping motion down to the front and towards his left thigh; his torso becomes more perpendicular with the front of the limo. It is then, at frame 238, that Connally is hit. His cheeks puff out at frame 238 and the trajectory is set for a shot from top, back right going down through his chest (shattering ribs), hitting his right wrist (which, by that time, is atop his LEFT leg), with the bullet coming to rest at Connally’s left femur near his knee. The Zapruder film runs at 18 frames per second. Kennedy and Connally were hit by different bullets from different weapons from different angles one second apart. About 4.1 seconds after Connally was hit and at frame 313, Kennedy’s death shot came from level front right. Even a steel jacket round would exhibit deformity subsequent to inflicting bone damage as seen in Connally. The weight of the magic bullet and the bullet fragments left in Connally add up to more than the round under consideration, anyway. On this alone, the magic bullet theory is 100% bullshit. The magic bullet may well be the one that initially hit Kennedy and no one else. About who and why: Let’s review what President Kennedy was doing/did leading up to his murder. 1) In a fight with Israel over Israel obtaining and possessing nuclear weapons. 2) Wanted to take power away from the federal reserve. 3) a double cross in the Bay of Pigs 4) Cut a backroom deal with Khruschev during the Cuban missile crisis and made, in the eyes of some, too many concessions to Russia. 5) wanted to and WAS going get US out of Vietnam 6) was a northern catholic Yankee; charismatic and didn’t take shit from no one. 7) was going to divest the CIA of a lot of power 8) didn’t like or get along with Hoover/FBI 9) was a womanizer and shared Mafia women while brother Bobby declared war on the Mafia (condoned by JFK and which was seen as reneging on Mafia support for JFK‘s election). 10) would have been re-elected. Needless to say, JFK had a plethora of “enemies” both within and without the government. Whether or not LBJ actively participated in the actual assassination, his administration damn well covered it up. In my opinion a cabal of divergent interests came together to kill JFK and then cover it up. In November 1963, there was a coup d’etat . In my opinion, the orders came from the Zionists, American Big Business Elite (including the military-industrial complex [which, interestingly, Eisenhower had warned us all about]), and elements of the CIA. It was a confluence of interests and they employed underworld and untraceable actors to do the deed. I cannot say which of these interests led the cabal but am always partial to the saying “follow the money“--so I guess I would lean towards the Federal Reserve Power Masters as being the main driving force. Because of what transpired during the USS Liberty incident [see below], I tend to lean away from Israel/Mosaad as MAJOR players in JFK’s murder--I bet they were “pushing” the plan . (As an aside, there was no doubt that Bobby Kennedy was going to be elected. We see what happened to him. Teddy started drinking and just shut up.) The events following the assassination were nothing less than astounding: the Warren Commission; the magic bullet theory; Ruby killing Oswald then conveniently dying; the autopsy and lost evidence fiascos; the dead witnesses; on and on and on--all of it just surreal. In closing and addressing what I think may have prompted your query, Fred, was that I made a connection between LBJ, the USS Liberty and Israel. When the USS Liberty was attacked and despite the IDF immediately targeting the Liberty’s communications systems, the Liberty crew did get off a message to the Sixth Fleet. The Sixth Fleet (Admiral Larry Geis) then knew it was Israel perpetrating the attack. Geis dispatched fighters from his two carriers. That Americans other than those on the Liberty knew it was them, the IDF, attacking the Liberty AND that Americans who could actually shoot back were on the way, Israel backed off--but there were some behind the scenes activities rapidly occurring. Israel did not want Washington, DC to know that Israel was about to lay a sneak attack on and major escalation of the hostilities on its neighbors to the north and south. Some Israeli nationals have freely and openly opined that Israel thought that the Liberty/U.S. was either intentionally or unintentionally providing information on Israel's military movements to Israel's enemies and that, therefore, Israel justifiably did what it had to do to take the Liberty out AND/OR the Israeli military was going to sink the Liberty and blame Egypt. Had the IDF sent the Liberty and all hands to the bottom and thanks to the inordinate amount of control and influence Zionists and liberal Jews have over the American news and entertainment industries, most Americans would now think that Egypt did it. On to the connection: LBJ and McNamara RECALLED the fighters while the attack on ON!!! Un-f-ing believable!! The decision by Washington, DC to recall the fighter cover was abetting the IDF’s act of premeditated murder. This was treasonous. It was the Commander in Chief turning on his own troops. WHY, OH, WHY?? Why would Johnson recall fighter protection from an American ship under fire?? What could explain that? And, further, what could possibly explain the federal government’s subsequent handling of the entire Liberty affair--its treatment of the crew--its COVER UP? Israel. That’s what. Here is what I think is extremely probable and this all happened in an extremely short period of time. Israel said we’ll back off; you stop the fighters and we won’t go public about your [LBJ‘s] involvement with and/or in JFK’s murder. We’ll both say and maintain forever that it was all just a tragic case of mistaken identity. The deal was done. It is, therefore, that I make the connection between JFK, LBJ, the USS Liberty, and Israel. Now, could you, and completing our “deal”, specifically and exactly explain how and why, in your opinion, President Bush would say that Israel’s security and defense is vital to America and Americans--a true national interest of the United States including detailing the specific and exact benefits to America and Americans from the American-Israeli relationship.
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#28. To: Clitora (#0) (Edited)
Spend some time researching Orlando Bosch and Luis Posada Carriles and read why Bush Sr. pardoned him.
#29. To: Elliott Jackalope (#26)
I read somewhere, that is was a gun made special for assinations. CIA makes them. Recoiless guns don't exist? It doesn't have to kill the person, just wound them. Mortally. On the old film this was taken from, you can see blast powder coming from the driver. You also see connely and his wife ducking down like they are going to get shot. Plus, why does the head shot happen, he looks back and hits the gas? And why to they sit in the overpass arguing for 2 critical minutes which way to go? Sorry. The driver was in on it. I am totally conviced he shot the head shot.
I have looked, repeatedly. Once again, if that was, in fact, a gun used to shook JFK at that range, then why don't we see either muzzle flash and/or recoil? That would be a BIG gun firing a BIG (I'd guess .45 ACP) round to create that kind of damage, where JFK's head literally explodes. So why no muzzle flash or recoil? Have you ever fired a .45 ACP? Those things pack a kick!
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#30. To: wbales (#27)
It looks to me like zionist elements were working together with post WWII nazies hiding in argentina.
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#31. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#28)
Bush senior was in on the oil deals and keeping cuba for the mafia. Republicans have always wanted cuba.
Spend some time researching Orlando Bosch and Luis Posada Carriles and read why Bush Sr. pardoned him.
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#32. To: tom007 (#22)
I don't know what this arguement is about, but to throw something in here, you are aware that he was wearing a brace that would have caused a change in the laws of thermodynamics?
Go shoot a pig in the head and see what happens.
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#33. To: farmfriend (#6)
if the shot came from behind, how do you explain jackie climbing out over the trunk. she would have ducked down into the limo...unless she saw the driver shoot kennedy or realized the shots had come from the front.
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#34. To: randge (#18)
honestly, i can't see a damn thing except that the driver is turned around looking at kennedy. i can't tell where his hands are. what do you see?
You will get a different perspective on the "gun," the agent's "hand" and head.
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#35. To: Clitora (#31) (Edited)
Bosch started talking while in prison for a bazooka attack on a Polish ship in Miami Harbor. He said there was 5 gunmen 3 of which were former Cubans who were working for the CIA. He told a person he was negotiating with to publish his biography that they were upset about Kennedy's handling of "Nixons well planned" Bay of Pigs operation and his refusal to provide air support. He said they also were upset about his refusing to support/permit the Northwoods operation. He told the person interviewing him that anytime you hear Nixon talking about "that Bay of Pigs thing" he is referring to the JFK shooting and that during the early to late 60s he and Carriles' (and a couple other Cuban terrorists) CIA manager was Bush Sr. and that Bush and the CIA were not happy with JFK trying to force Israel to come clean on their nuclear weapons operations/manufacturing. It wasn't long after he began talking to this author/publisher that Bush Sr. pardoned him. Jeb played a big part in the pardon also. Bosch's terrorist activities make Bin Laden look like an amateur. Bush and Otto Reich also helped him escape prosecution for the Cuban flight he helped blow out of the sky.
#36. To: Elliott Jackalope, Clitora (#26)
The original "driver dun it" story was presented with the video and the assertion that he killed the president with a compressed air gun shooting a projectile filled with deadly fish toxin. But that story seems to be falling out of favor so the fish toxin gun is left off now. And if the driver killed JFK (it would logically follow that) he (or others) would have been obligated to kill the governor and the first lady.
I have looked, repeatedly. Once again, if that was, in fact, a gun used to shook JFK at that range, then why don't we see either muzzle flash and/or recoil? That would be a BIG gun firing a BIG (I'd guess .45 ACP) round to create that kind of damage, where JFK's head literally explodes. So why no muzzle flash or recoil? Have you ever fired a .45 ACP? Those things pack a kick!
#37. To: HOUNDDAWG (#36)
yeah, you're right. jackie obviously saw something though that made her realize the shots had come from the front, not behind.
And if the driver killed JFK (it would logically follow that) he (or others) would have been obligated to kill the governor and the first lady.
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#38. To: christine (#37)
Probably the same thing that all of the other people saw, who were photographed standing and pointing at the infamous "grassy knoll".
yeah, you're right. jackie obviously saw something though that made her realize the shots had come from the front, not behind.
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#39. To: Elliott Jackalope, All (#2)
Agreed. It looks more like the hair/head of the man in the front passenger seat than anything else. No flash, but there is the appearance of a recoil, which looks more like the front passenger's reaction to the fatal shot. I agree there is, unfortunately, no shortage of false theories that do nothing but dilute trust and credibility in the real & credible ones. We really need to be objective and discriminating rather than believing every anti-gov, the-Fed-did-it type claim that is made. Obviously JFK was shot, and certain powers had motive. That much we can believe. But I think this video is perpetuating an illusion.
Actually, I think the "gun" you see is the reflection of the sun off of Agent Kellerman's hair. Part of the drivers "arm" appears to be the curb.
When the moment comes when the "gun" supposedly goes off, there's no muzzle flash and no recoil.
I am of the opinion that the "Greer shot JFK" theory is a classic example of a "honeypot" set out by those who seek to discredit those who question the official lie.
#40. To: randge, IndieTX (#18)
Tell the Army, it was their experiment.
Firing at a melon is not a particularly useful experiment in this case.
"The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
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