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Title: JFK - Shocking New Footage! Stabilized, filtered and in high definition: 05/12/2009
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Published: Jun 24, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-06-24 18:28:52 by Clitora
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#2. To: Clitora (#0)

Actually, I think the "gun" you see is the reflection of the sun off of Agent Kellerman's hair. When the moment comes when the "gun" supposedly goes off, there's no muzzle flash and no recoil. Furthermore, the sheer force displayed when JFK's head literally explodes says to me that it was a rifle bullet that hit him, not a pistol bullet, unless said pistol was a .45, and if that was the case there would be a very prominent muzzle flash and one hell of a recoil.

I've looked at this footage countless times, and have never agreed with the premise that Agent Greer fired a shot at JFK. Now, do I think Oswald acted alone? Hell no. I think JFK was caught in a crossfire, and the fatal shot came from in front of the limo, to the right. Why do I think that? Because his head snaps BACK and to the LEFT. That's why. It's basic physics. As compared to the utterly laughable "Magic Bullet" theory proposed by Senator Arlen Spector, which asks us all to believe that the laws of physics were suspended for a few momentous seconds in Dallas.

I am of the opinion that the "Greer shot JFK" theory is a classic example of a "honeypot" set out by those who seek to discredit those who question the official lie.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2009-06-24   18:56:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Elliott Jackalope (#2)

Actually, I think the "gun" you see is the reflection of the sun off of Agent Kellerman's hair.

I beg to differ, sir.

Right after the head shot, the driver turns around and hits the gas.

Look again.

Clitora  posted on  2009-06-24   22:27:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Clitora (#24)

I have looked, repeatedly. Once again, if that was, in fact, a gun used to shook JFK at that range, then why don't we see either muzzle flash and/or recoil? That would be a BIG gun firing a BIG (I'd guess .45 ACP) round to create that kind of damage, where JFK's head literally explodes. So why no muzzle flash or recoil? Have you ever fired a .45 ACP? Those things pack a kick!

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2009-06-24   22:31:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Elliott Jackalope, Clitora, , *balesping* (#26)

I posted the following on this forum about 4 years ago...went and dug it up to post again here:

On JFK:

About the assassination:

The Zapruder film contains all the evidence one needs. Kennedy is first hit while the limo is behind the large street sign--around Zapruder frames 216-220. As Kennedy comes into view front behind the street sign his arms are in motion to grasp at his throat. By the time he comes into view from behind the sign, this bullet is LONG gone. This bullet hit Kennedy in his back and exited out his throat and hit no one else.

As the frames continue and at 230, Connally has turned back to his right and towards Kennedy who is, by then, clutching his throat in reaction to being hit during frames 216-220. In frame 230, Connally’s RIGHT wrist can be clearly seen HOLDING his Stetson at chin level. Connally HAS NOT been hit in frame 230. From 230 to when Connolly is hit in frame 238, Connally swings back towards the front of the car; his right wrist makes a sweeping motion down to the front and towards his left thigh; his torso becomes more perpendicular with the front of the limo. It is then, at frame 238, that Connally is hit. His cheeks puff out at frame 238 and the trajectory is set for a shot from top, back right going down through his chest (shattering ribs), hitting his right wrist (which, by that time, is atop his LEFT leg), with the bullet coming to rest at Connally’s left femur near his knee.

The Zapruder film runs at 18 frames per second. Kennedy and Connally were hit by different bullets from different weapons from different angles one second apart. About 4.1 seconds after Connally was hit and at frame 313, Kennedy’s death shot came from level front right.

Even a steel jacket round would exhibit deformity subsequent to inflicting bone damage as seen in Connally. The weight of the magic bullet and the bullet fragments left in Connally add up to more than the round under consideration, anyway. On this alone, the magic bullet theory is 100% bullshit. The magic bullet may well be the one that initially hit Kennedy and no one else.

About who and why:

Let’s review what President Kennedy was doing/did leading up to his murder.

1) In a fight with Israel over Israel obtaining and possessing nuclear weapons.

2) Wanted to take power away from the federal reserve.

3) a double cross in the Bay of Pigs

4) Cut a backroom deal with Khruschev during the Cuban missile crisis and made, in the eyes of some, too many concessions to Russia.

5) wanted to and WAS going get US out of Vietnam

6) was a northern catholic Yankee; charismatic and didn’t take shit from no one.

7) was going to divest the CIA of a lot of power

8) didn’t like or get along with Hoover/FBI

9) was a womanizer and shared Mafia women while brother Bobby declared war on the Mafia (condoned by JFK and which was seen as reneging on Mafia support for JFK‘s election).

10) would have been re-elected.

Needless to say, JFK had a plethora of “enemies” both within and without the government.

Whether or not LBJ actively participated in the actual assassination, his administration damn well covered it up.

In my opinion a cabal of divergent interests came together to kill JFK and then cover it up. In November 1963, there was a coup d’etat .

In my opinion, the orders came from the Zionists, American Big Business Elite (including the military-industrial complex [which, interestingly, Eisenhower had warned us all about]), and elements of the CIA. It was a confluence of interests and they employed underworld and untraceable actors to do the deed. I cannot say which of these interests led the cabal but am always partial to the saying “follow the money“--so I guess I would lean towards the Federal Reserve Power Masters as being the main driving force. Because of what transpired during the USS Liberty incident [see below], I tend to lean away from Israel/Mosaad as MAJOR players in JFK’s murder--I bet they were “pushing” the plan . (As an aside, there was no doubt that Bobby Kennedy was going to be elected. We see what happened to him. Teddy started drinking and just shut up.)

The events following the assassination were nothing less than astounding: the Warren Commission; the magic bullet theory; Ruby killing Oswald then conveniently dying; the autopsy and lost evidence fiascos; the dead witnesses; on and on and on--all of it just surreal.

In closing and addressing what I think may have prompted your query, Fred, was that I made a connection between LBJ, the USS Liberty and Israel.

When the USS Liberty was attacked and despite the IDF immediately targeting the Liberty’s communications systems, the Liberty crew did get off a message to the Sixth Fleet. The Sixth Fleet (Admiral Larry Geis) then knew it was Israel perpetrating the attack. Geis dispatched fighters from his two carriers. That Americans other than those on the Liberty knew it was them, the IDF, attacking the Liberty AND that Americans who could actually shoot back were on the way, Israel backed off--but there were some behind the scenes activities rapidly occurring.

Israel did not want Washington, DC to know that Israel was about to lay a sneak attack on and major escalation of the hostilities on its neighbors to the north and south. Some Israeli nationals have freely and openly opined that Israel thought that the Liberty/U.S. was either intentionally or unintentionally providing information on Israel's military movements to Israel's enemies and that, therefore, Israel justifiably did what it had to do to take the Liberty out AND/OR the Israeli military was going to sink the Liberty and blame Egypt. Had the IDF sent the Liberty and all hands to the bottom and thanks to the inordinate amount of control and influence Zionists and liberal Jews have over the American news and entertainment industries, most Americans would now think that Egypt did it.

On to the connection: LBJ and McNamara RECALLED the fighters while the attack on ON!!! Un-f-ing believable!! The decision by Washington, DC to recall the fighter cover was abetting the IDF’s act of premeditated murder. This was treasonous. It was the Commander in Chief turning on his own troops.

WHY, OH, WHY?? Why would Johnson recall fighter protection from an American ship under fire?? What could explain that? And, further, what could possibly explain the federal government’s subsequent handling of the entire Liberty affair--its treatment of the crew--its COVER UP?

Israel. That’s what.

Here is what I think is extremely probable and this all happened in an extremely short period of time. Israel said we’ll back off; you stop the fighters and we won’t go public about your [LBJ‘s] involvement with and/or in JFK’s murder. We’ll both say and maintain forever that it was all just a tragic case of mistaken identity. The deal was done.

It is, therefore, that I make the connection between JFK, LBJ, the USS Liberty, and Israel.

Now, could you, and completing our “deal”, specifically and exactly explain how and why, in your opinion, President Bush would say that Israel’s security and defense is vital to America and Americans--a true national interest of the United States including detailing the specific and exact benefits to America and Americans from the American-Israeli relationship.

wbales  posted on  2009-06-24   22:34:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#30. To: wbales (#27)

It looks to me like zionist elements were working together with post WWII nazies hiding in argentina.

Clitora  posted on  2009-06-24 22:50:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: wbales (#27)

In my opinion a cabal of divergent interests came together to kill JFK and then cover it up. In November 1963, there was a coup d’etat .

Yeppers. Our government has been held in thrall by the shadows - and even the presidents aren't exactly sure who and where they are.

tom007  posted on  2009-06-25 08:44:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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