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Title: JFK - Shocking New Footage! Stabilized, filtered and in high definition: 05/12/2009
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Published: Jun 24, 2009
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Post Date: 2009-06-24 18:28:52 by Clitora
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#24. To: Elliott Jackalope (#2)
I beg to differ, sir. Right after the head shot, the driver turns around and hits the gas. Look again.
“Some say that the age of chivalry is past, that the spirit of romance is dead. The age of chivalry is never past, so long as there is a wrong left unredressed on earth.” Charles Kingsley
The reactions of connelly and his wife show they were afraid of something in front. Close to them.
“Some say that the age of chivalry is past, that the spirit of romance is dead. The age of chivalry is never past, so long as there is a wrong left unredressed on earth.” Charles Kingsley
I have looked, repeatedly. Once again, if that was, in fact, a gun used to shook JFK at that range, then why don't we see either muzzle flash and/or recoil? That would be a BIG gun firing a BIG (I'd guess .45 ACP) round to create that kind of damage, where JFK's head literally explodes. So why no muzzle flash or recoil? Have you ever fired a .45 ACP? Those things pack a kick!
Actually, I think the "gun" you see is the reflection of the sun off of Agent Kellerman's hair.
#25. To: wudidiz (#5)
It would explain why the secret service were ordered to not be on the back of the car in the video I posted at #1. They would have been able to see the driver fire the shot.
#26. To: Clitora (#24)
 | Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise. |
#27. To: Elliott Jackalope, Clitora, , *balesping* (#26)
On JFK: About the assassination: The Zapruder film contains all the evidence one needs. Kennedy is first hit while the limo is behind the large street sign--around Zapruder frames 216-220. As Kennedy comes into view front behind the street sign his arms are in motion to grasp at his throat. By the time he comes into view from behind the sign, this bullet is LONG gone. This bullet hit Kennedy in his back and exited out his throat and hit no one else. As the frames continue and at 230, Connally has turned back to his right and towards Kennedy who is, by then, clutching his throat in reaction to being hit during frames 216-220. In frame 230, Connally’s RIGHT wrist can be clearly seen HOLDING his Stetson at chin level. Connally HAS NOT been hit in frame 230. From 230 to when Connolly is hit in frame 238, Connally swings back towards the front of the car; his right wrist makes a sweeping motion down to the front and towards his left thigh; his torso becomes more perpendicular with the front of the limo. It is then, at frame 238, that Connally is hit. His cheeks puff out at frame 238 and the trajectory is set for a shot from top, back right going down through his chest (shattering ribs), hitting his right wrist (which, by that time, is atop his LEFT leg), with the bullet coming to rest at Connally’s left femur near his knee. The Zapruder film runs at 18 frames per second. Kennedy and Connally were hit by different bullets from different weapons from different angles one second apart. About 4.1 seconds after Connally was hit and at frame 313, Kennedy’s death shot came from level front right. Even a steel jacket round would exhibit deformity subsequent to inflicting bone damage as seen in Connally. The weight of the magic bullet and the bullet fragments left in Connally add up to more than the round under consideration, anyway. On this alone, the magic bullet theory is 100% bullshit. The magic bullet may well be the one that initially hit Kennedy and no one else. About who and why: Let’s review what President Kennedy was doing/did leading up to his murder. 1) In a fight with Israel over Israel obtaining and possessing nuclear weapons. 2) Wanted to take power away from the federal reserve. 3) a double cross in the Bay of Pigs 4) Cut a backroom deal with Khruschev during the Cuban missile crisis and made, in the eyes of some, too many concessions to Russia. 5) wanted to and WAS going get US out of Vietnam 6) was a northern catholic Yankee; charismatic and didn’t take shit from no one. 7) was going to divest the CIA of a lot of power 8) didn’t like or get along with Hoover/FBI 9) was a womanizer and shared Mafia women while brother Bobby declared war on the Mafia (condoned by JFK and which was seen as reneging on Mafia support for JFK‘s election). 10) would have been re-elected. Needless to say, JFK had a plethora of “enemies” both within and without the government. Whether or not LBJ actively participated in the actual assassination, his administration damn well covered it up. In my opinion a cabal of divergent interests came together to kill JFK and then cover it up. In November 1963, there was a coup d’etat . In my opinion, the orders came from the Zionists, American Big Business Elite (including the military-industrial complex [which, interestingly, Eisenhower had warned us all about]), and elements of the CIA. It was a confluence of interests and they employed underworld and untraceable actors to do the deed. I cannot say which of these interests led the cabal but am always partial to the saying “follow the money“--so I guess I would lean towards the Federal Reserve Power Masters as being the main driving force. Because of what transpired during the USS Liberty incident [see below], I tend to lean away from Israel/Mosaad as MAJOR players in JFK’s murder--I bet they were “pushing” the plan . (As an aside, there was no doubt that Bobby Kennedy was going to be elected. We see what happened to him. Teddy started drinking and just shut up.) The events following the assassination were nothing less than astounding: the Warren Commission; the magic bullet theory; Ruby killing Oswald then conveniently dying; the autopsy and lost evidence fiascos; the dead witnesses; on and on and on--all of it just surreal. In closing and addressing what I think may have prompted your query, Fred, was that I made a connection between LBJ, the USS Liberty and Israel. When the USS Liberty was attacked and despite the IDF immediately targeting the Liberty’s communications systems, the Liberty crew did get off a message to the Sixth Fleet. The Sixth Fleet (Admiral Larry Geis) then knew it was Israel perpetrating the attack. Geis dispatched fighters from his two carriers. That Americans other than those on the Liberty knew it was them, the IDF, attacking the Liberty AND that Americans who could actually shoot back were on the way, Israel backed off--but there were some behind the scenes activities rapidly occurring. Israel did not want Washington, DC to know that Israel was about to lay a sneak attack on and major escalation of the hostilities on its neighbors to the north and south. Some Israeli nationals have freely and openly opined that Israel thought that the Liberty/U.S. was either intentionally or unintentionally providing information on Israel's military movements to Israel's enemies and that, therefore, Israel justifiably did what it had to do to take the Liberty out AND/OR the Israeli military was going to sink the Liberty and blame Egypt. Had the IDF sent the Liberty and all hands to the bottom and thanks to the inordinate amount of control and influence Zionists and liberal Jews have over the American news and entertainment industries, most Americans would now think that Egypt did it. On to the connection: LBJ and McNamara RECALLED the fighters while the attack on ON!!! Un-f-ing believable!! The decision by Washington, DC to recall the fighter cover was abetting the IDF’s act of premeditated murder. This was treasonous. It was the Commander in Chief turning on his own troops. WHY, OH, WHY?? Why would Johnson recall fighter protection from an American ship under fire?? What could explain that? And, further, what could possibly explain the federal government’s subsequent handling of the entire Liberty affair--its treatment of the crew--its COVER UP? Israel. That’s what. Here is what I think is extremely probable and this all happened in an extremely short period of time. Israel said we’ll back off; you stop the fighters and we won’t go public about your [LBJ‘s] involvement with and/or in JFK’s murder. We’ll both say and maintain forever that it was all just a tragic case of mistaken identity. The deal was done. It is, therefore, that I make the connection between JFK, LBJ, the USS Liberty, and Israel. Now, could you, and completing our “deal”, specifically and exactly explain how and why, in your opinion, President Bush would say that Israel’s security and defense is vital to America and Americans--a true national interest of the United States including detailing the specific and exact benefits to America and Americans from the American-Israeli relationship.
I posted the following on this forum about 4 years ago...went and dug it up to post again here:
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
#28. To: Clitora (#0) (Edited)
Spend some time researching Orlando Bosch and Luis Posada Carriles and read why Bush Sr. pardoned him.
#29. To: Elliott Jackalope (#26)
I read somewhere, that is was a gun made special for assinations. CIA makes them. Recoiless guns don't exist? It doesn't have to kill the person, just wound them. Mortally. On the old film this was taken from, you can see blast powder coming from the driver. You also see connely and his wife ducking down like they are going to get shot. Plus, why does the head shot happen, he looks back and hits the gas? And why to they sit in the overpass arguing for 2 critical minutes which way to go? Sorry. The driver was in on it. I am totally conviced he shot the head shot.
I have looked, repeatedly. Once again, if that was, in fact, a gun used to shook JFK at that range, then why don't we see either muzzle flash and/or recoil? That would be a BIG gun firing a BIG (I'd guess .45 ACP) round to create that kind of damage, where JFK's head literally explodes. So why no muzzle flash or recoil? Have you ever fired a .45 ACP? Those things pack a kick!
“Some say that the age of chivalry is past, that the spirit of romance is dead. The age of chivalry is never past, so long as there is a wrong left unredressed on earth.” Charles Kingsley
#30. To: wbales (#27)
It looks to me like zionist elements were working together with post WWII nazies hiding in argentina.
“Some say that the age of chivalry is past, that the spirit of romance is dead. The age of chivalry is never past, so long as there is a wrong left unredressed on earth.” Charles Kingsley
#31. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#28)
Bush senior was in on the oil deals and keeping cuba for the mafia. Republicans have always wanted cuba.
Spend some time researching Orlando Bosch and Luis Posada Carriles and read why Bush Sr. pardoned him.
“Some say that the age of chivalry is past, that the spirit of romance is dead. The age of chivalry is never past, so long as there is a wrong left unredressed on earth.” Charles Kingsley
#32. To: tom007 (#22)
I don't know what this arguement is about, but to throw something in here, you are aware that he was wearing a brace that would have caused a change in the laws of thermodynamics?
Go shoot a pig in the head and see what happens.
“Some say that the age of chivalry is past, that the spirit of romance is dead. The age of chivalry is never past, so long as there is a wrong left unredressed on earth.” Charles Kingsley
#33. To: farmfriend (#6)
if the shot came from behind, how do you explain jackie climbing out over the trunk. she would have ducked down into the limo...unless she saw the driver shoot kennedy or realized the shots had come from the front.
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
#34. To: randge (#18)
honestly, i can't see a damn thing except that the driver is turned around looking at kennedy. i can't tell where his hands are. what do you see?
You will get a different perspective on the "gun," the agent's "hand" and head.
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
#35. To: Clitora (#31) (Edited)
Bosch started talking while in prison for a bazooka attack on a Polish ship in Miami Harbor. He said there was 5 gunmen 3 of which were former Cubans who were working for the CIA. He told a person he was negotiating with to publish his biography that they were upset about Kennedy's handling of "Nixons well planned" Bay of Pigs operation and his refusal to provide air support. He said they also were upset about his refusing to support/permit the Northwoods operation. He told the person interviewing him that anytime you hear Nixon talking about "that Bay of Pigs thing" he is referring to the JFK shooting and that during the early to late 60s he and Carriles' (and a couple other Cuban terrorists) CIA manager was Bush Sr. and that Bush and the CIA were not happy with JFK trying to force Israel to come clean on their nuclear weapons operations/manufacturing. It wasn't long after he began talking to this author/publisher that Bush Sr. pardoned him. Jeb played a big part in the pardon also. Bosch's terrorist activities make Bin Laden look like an amateur. Bush and Otto Reich also helped him escape prosecution for the Cuban flight he helped blow out of the sky.
#36. To: Elliott Jackalope, Clitora (#26)
The original "driver dun it" story was presented with the video and the assertion that he killed the president with a compressed air gun shooting a projectile filled with deadly fish toxin. But that story seems to be falling out of favor so the fish toxin gun is left off now. And if the driver killed JFK (it would logically follow that) he (or others) would have been obligated to kill the governor and the first lady.
I have looked, repeatedly. Once again, if that was, in fact, a gun used to shook JFK at that range, then why don't we see either muzzle flash and/or recoil? That would be a BIG gun firing a BIG (I'd guess .45 ACP) round to create that kind of damage, where JFK's head literally explodes. So why no muzzle flash or recoil? Have you ever fired a .45 ACP? Those things pack a kick!
#37. To: HOUNDDAWG (#36)
yeah, you're right. jackie obviously saw something though that made her realize the shots had come from the front, not behind.
And if the driver killed JFK (it would logically follow that) he (or others) would have been obligated to kill the governor and the first lady.
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
#38. To: christine (#37)
Probably the same thing that all of the other people saw, who were photographed standing and pointing at the infamous "grassy knoll".
yeah, you're right. jackie obviously saw something though that made her realize the shots had come from the front, not behind.
| Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise. |
#39. To: Elliott Jackalope, All (#2)
Agreed. It looks more like the hair/head of the man in the front passenger seat than anything else. No flash, but there is the appearance of a recoil, which looks more like the front passenger's reaction to the fatal shot. I agree there is, unfortunately, no shortage of false theories that do nothing but dilute trust and credibility in the real & credible ones. We really need to be objective and discriminating rather than believing every anti-gov, the-Fed-did-it type claim that is made. Obviously JFK was shot, and certain powers had motive. That much we can believe. But I think this video is perpetuating an illusion.
Actually, I think the "gun" you see is the reflection of the sun off of Agent Kellerman's hair. Part of the drivers "arm" appears to be the curb.
When the moment comes when the "gun" supposedly goes off, there's no muzzle flash and no recoil.
I am of the opinion that the "Greer shot JFK" theory is a classic example of a "honeypot" set out by those who seek to discredit those who question the official lie.
#40. To: randge, IndieTX (#18)
Tell the Army, it was their experiment.
Firing at a melon is not a particularly useful experiment in this case.
"The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
--George Washington, General Orders, August 23, 1776
#41. To: tom007 (#22)
Go shoot a pig in the head and see what happens. Say what you will. Does not matter to me. Army experiments show what I said it showed. Shoot a melon, closest thing to a human head, and it will jump towards the shot. Always.
So you kick a watermelon and it jumps at you??
"The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
--George Washington, General Orders, August 23, 1776
#42. To: christine (#33)
That is an interesting question. My only point was dealing with the one aspect. Army test footage shows a melon, closest thing they could get to a human head, always jumped towards the shot. The impact force from the front is not much but the blowout in the back is.
if the shot came from behind, how do you explain jackie climbing out over the trunk. she would have ducked down into the limo...unless she saw the driver shoot kennedy or realized the shots had come from the front.
"The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
--George Washington, General Orders, August 23, 1776
#43. To: farmfriend (#41)
The govt used cadavers for their most comprehensive ballistics testing unless they were testing ammo for use against enemy melons or trying to keep the phony Warren Commission Report alive.
Shoot a melon, closest thing to a human head, and it will jump towards the shot. Always.
#44. To: HOUNDDAWG (#43)
Whatever, this is not a hill I want to die on. I'm just reporting what I saw. You guys chose not to believe me, oh well.
The govt used cadavers for their most comprehensive ballistics testing unless they were testing ammo for use against enemy melons or trying to keep the phony Warren Commission Report alive.
"The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
--George Washington, General Orders, August 23, 1776
#45. To: Elliott Jackalope, christine (#38)
Probably the same thing that all of the other people saw, who were photographed standing and pointing at the infamous "grassy knoll". You may recall when discussing why people would jump to certain death from the WTC I mentioned bare fear, which by definition is the absence of all reason. Jackie didn't have to be thinking anything except that a coup was in progress and she wasn't safe seated close enough to be covered with her husband's brains and blood.....
yeah, you're right. jackie obviously saw something though that made her realize the shots had come from the front, not behind.
#46. To: HOUNDDAWG, farmfriend (#43)
Probably the best book about the shooters is Craig Roberts' "Killzone: A Sniper Looks at Dealy Plaza". Roberts was a professional sniper and trained snipers for 20 years. His analysis is pretty conclusive - there was at least a 3 way crossfire. The shots came from the front.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#47. To: christine (#33)
Stating it frankly, within about a half second, she went from having a pleasant drive on a sunny day to witnessing her husbands head getting blown off. People don't tend to react rationally when that sort of thing happens, and I can guarantee you she wasn't thinking about anything right about then. So her reaction, no matter what it may have been, doesn't mean a thing. There is nothing to interpret.
if the shot came from behind, how do you explain jackie climbing out over the trunk. she would have ducked down into the limo...
#48. To: Original_Intent (#46)
Roberts was a professional sniper and trained snipers for 20 years. His analysis is pretty conclusive - there was at least a 3 way crossfire. The shots came from the front. Roger that. And I already told you what Gunny Hathcock told me on the phone. He was the sniper that the FBI asked to set up the simulation and to fire Oswald's crab trap anchor of a rifle, and Hathcock said "It couldn't be done." Years ago after reading MARINE SNIPER-93 CONFIRMED KILLS I located Gunny Hathcock (93 Raff RD, Va Beach, VA) and I began calling him to ask questions about the finer points of rifle shooting. I lived in CA and I breathed, ate and slept for ways to tighten my lovingly hand loaded groups (.243 and .308) and The Gunny was all too happy to talk rifles with me. After a few months (and I was sure he knew who I was and what I was about) I asked "the question": "Gunny, did Oswald fire three shots in 6 seconds at the Kennedy motorcade?" "The FBI asked me the same question!" he replied. Gunny was the Wimbledon 1,000 yd champion in 1968 (shooting for the marines) the same year the FBI asked him to duplicate the alleged assassination scenario. And, the detail that some folks refuse to deal with is this: Oswald's rifle had a poorly mounted scope that was too low for the action (OTR or production scope bases come in at least three different heights) and it was impossible to cycle the bolt in one smooth practiced throw because of the excessive wear and play in the bolt and the fact that the fingers had to be moved to clear the scope in both directions of travel. In other words, he had to firmly grasp the bolt in order to open it on a fired and swollen brass, then reposition his fingers to clear the scope in both directions thus making it impossible to even cycle the action in the time allowed, never mind shooting it or, shooting for any attempt at accuracy! This little detail is tantamount to proving that someone didn't outrun the police in a car with only one front wheel, (and execute one of the most important if not highest paying contracts in the history of assassinations) and yet those "true believers" in the Warren Report refuse to accept the fact that it was physically impossible for Oswald to be the lone sniper at Dealey Plaza on that terrible day. And they never seem to be the slightest bit curious about why the entire establishment lined up to file off so many rough edges of the lone assassin story. TIME MAGAZINE stopped their presses and pulled some photos from the Zapruder sequence, The Commission moved the bullet wound in JFK's back 6 inches to coincide with the "magic bullet" fairie tale, and the WC never even bothered to hear the truly important testimony of witnesses, i.e. doctors describing wounds, people in the Plaza who fingered the grassy knoll, the different type of ammo in Oswald's .38 S&W caliber (.38 short-not .38 spl) revolver and in his possession at home versus the type used to kill Dallas PD Officer J.D. Tippett, etc.,.
Probably the best book about the shooters is Craig Roberts' "Killzone: A Sniper Looks at Dealy Plaza".
#49. To: farmfriend (#44)
No, I believe you. It's just that the govt has plenty of evidence that directly contradicts that melon demo, and there's only two reasons to even show such a thing: A) To see what a bullet does to a melon and B) To confuse people about the truth of the assassination of JFK. The fact that you saw fit to mention it as if it proved anything regarding the assassination means the govt was correct to cloud the issue with that footage. There are only a handful of real ballistics experts who's find any interest in the subject and none of them are likely to finger the govt as the lying murdering bastards they are for obvious reasons. Those involved in internal, external and terminal ballistics research are by definition involved with all levels of govt, and for the same reason scientists weren't too anxious to point out the big lies about the controlled demolitions on 9/11. The president of the National Fire Fighters Magazine called BS on the whole story and he lost his job so fast it was scary, and that message traveled real fast. Of course lots of FDNY firefighters have spoken about explosions and other things that don't fit, but who in the federal mafia is paying any attention? If any decide to pursue it and press for a real investigation to the media or on speaking tours then they'll get a response, alright. Would you do that? Mee neether.....
Whatever, this is not a hill I want to die on. I'm just reporting what I saw. You guys chose not to believe me, oh well.
#50. To: HOUNDDAWG (#48)
There are just too many anomalies even if one were to swallow the "Majick Bullet" Theory of Arlen, the opportunist apparatchik, Spectre. For one one of the Dallas PD Detectives first on the scene of Oswald's alleged "Sniper's Nest" identified the recovered Rifle as a Mauser - and he was both a veteran and a veteran of the European Theatre - so he knew a Mauser from a Carcano. There may have been a sniper in the Book Depository but it wasn't Oswald, and my guess is that the Carcano was later substituted in order to complete the "frame" on Oswald. As well when the Dallas PD came running into the book depository within a couple of minutes Oswald was in the second floor lounge drinking a Coke, was not winded, and not sweating. Pretty neat trick in Dallas to go from the 9th floor to the 2nd Floor in under 3 minutes, get a Coke and be nonchalantly lounging when the cops come bursting in. Many other anomalies as well as I know you are aware. Tying in with the throat and head wounds was David Lifton's research into how the autopsy was likely cooked to support the "lone nut" conspiracy theory.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#51. To: HOUNDDAWG (#50)
P.S. My dad shot for the Corps in '44 - Scout Sniper South Pacific. Although I still like the way my Uncle Les put it: "He could shoot the hair out of frog's ass at 50 yards with a "Peep Sight".
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#52. To: Clitora (#23)
I don't know. I'm glad you liked it.
Who is the agent who calls them off? that is an interesting vid.
"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain
#53. To: Original_Intent (#50)
He also worked in a gun shop part time. I wasn't there of course but, I'd bet a fist full of Krugerrands that a TX police officer and a military vet/firearms enthusiast with his experience and under those tragic circs would have been well aware of the historical and evidential importance of his observations and that he'd never mistake a MODEL 1938 Mannlicher Carcano carbine for any model of a Mauser. Either of those rifles would have stamped nomenclature on the receivers/barrels and there would have been no reason for anyone to make such a mistake. More than likely the rifle was swapped for the one mail ordered by "O.H. Lee" which of course means the Dallas PD was involved up to their anti commie necks in the frame up. Considering how they removed their experienced police dispatcher from duty after she received an unexplained invitation to hear Kennedy speak, and how easily Jack Ruby gained access and a clear shot at Patsy Oswald, I don't have any problem believing that the cops, The Hunt Bros, LBJ, the CIA and half the state of Texas were happy to pitch in and kill that nigger luvin' Yankee Catholicker who screwed the invasion forces at El Bayo De Cochinos.
For one one of the Dallas PD Detectives first on the scene of Oswald's alleged "Sniper's Nest" identified the recovered Rifle as a Mauser - and he was both a veteran and a veteran of the European Theatre - so he knew a Mauser from a Carcano. There may have been a sniper in the Book Depository but it wasn't Oswald, and my guess is that the Carcano was later substituted in order to complete the "frame" on Oswald.
#54. To: Original_Intent (#51)
Although I still like the way my Uncle Les put it: "He could shoot the hair out of frog's ass at 50 yards with a "Peep Sight". I remember that! He actually got to shoot some of them little nips, too! A man's man!
P.S. My dad shot for the Corps in '44 - Scout Sniper South Pacific.
#55. To: farmfriend (#44)
In any case I meant no offense and I apologize for any unintended. Please forgive.
#56. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#35)
Wow. Just wow. This israeli menace has destroyed the us and the arab world. Israel is nothing but a pox on the planet.
CIA manager was Bush Sr. and that Bush and the CIA were not happy with JFK trying to force Israel to come clean on their nuclear weapons operations/manufacturing.
“Some say that the age of chivalry is past, that the spirit of romance is dead. The age of chivalry is never past, so long as there is a wrong left unredressed on earth.” Charles Kingsley
#57. To: HOUNDDAWG (#36)
that is not logical. Connelly always said he did not want to talk about it. It is easy to silence someone forever with the knowledge they can be taken out.
And if the driver killed JFK (it would logically follow that) he (or others) would have been obligated to kill the governor and the first lady.
“Some say that the age of chivalry is past, that the spirit of romance is dead. The age of chivalry is never past, so long as there is a wrong left unredressed on earth.” Charles Kingsley
#58. To: Original_Intent (#46)
His analysis is pretty conclusive - there was at least a 3 way crossfire. I agree--JFK was triangulated. The shots came from the front. Disagree here, though. Shot one: From straight behind street level. Hit JFK in the back and exited his throat. Frame 218 or so. Shot two, a little over one second later: From above back right--an upper floor of the book depository (missed JFK and hit Connally). Frame 238. Shot three, about 4.1 seconds later: From street level front right (grassy knoll area) hit JFK i the middle right forehead. Frame 313.
TRAITORS TO AMERICA AND BRAINWASHED IDIOTS SUPPORT AND DEFEND ISRAEL. TO HELL WITH ZIONISTS AND THIER AMERICAN FRONTS: AIPAC/PNAC/ADL/JPCA/NAACP/CFR/FEDERAL RESERVE/NWO/SPLC/JINSA/ACLU/FPI/CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS/AEI/FEDERAL MEDIA/HOLLYWOOD, et. al.
#59. To: HOUNDDAWG, tom007 (#55)
Please forgive. No offense taken sweety. As tom007 said earlier in the thread, debate amongst friends.
In any case I meant no offense and I apologize for any unintended.
"The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
--George Washington, General Orders, August 23, 1776
#60. To: christine, All (#34)
honestly, i can't see a damn thing except that the driver is turned around looking at kennedy. i can't tell where his hands are. what do you see? As HOUNDDAWG noted, the agent's left hand, the one that the posted video suggests is wielding a gun, is on the arm rest. The gun is some object that I can't identify that seems to be associated with the head of the agent in the passenger seat and seems to be in motion with the head as it moves from frame to frame. As far as the shot from the front or the rear goes, having shot blown a number things to bits with rifles and handguns, I draw this conclusion from looking at this frame. The angle formed by the tissue, nearly 180 degrees, suggests a shot from the front. If this had been a shot from the rear, there would have been a much narrower cone of matter issuing from the exit wound. A large portion of the parietal area of the the skull is blasted back exposing that area of the brain, which is evident is subsequent frames. Also noteworthy is the fact that with a frontal impact, there is no exit wound. A rear shot from, say the Book Depository Building, would have to cover about 90 yards. A medium caliber rifle, which was used here according to bullets recovered, would have lost a lot of momentum by the time it found its target. To create this kind of damage with in this range of calibers, I think that a near point-blank range would be required.
You will get a different perspective on the "gun," the agent's "hand" and head.
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#61. To: Clitora (#32)
lunacy, pure and simple.
you are aware that he was wearing a brace that would have caused a change in the laws of thermodynamics?
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#62. To: wbales (#27)
Yeppers. Our government has been held in thrall by the shadows - and even the presidents aren't exactly sure who and where they are.
In my opinion a cabal of divergent interests came together to kill JFK and then cover it up. In November 1963, there was a coup d’etat .
"Satan / Cheney in "08"
#63. To: Original_Intent (#46)
The definitive book about the assasination. The best. I'm surprised it's not banned..
Probably the best book about the shooters is Craig Roberts' "Killzone: A Sniper Looks at Dealy Plaza".
#64. To: tom007 (#61)
oh. So he wasn't wearing a brace?
lunacy, pure and simple.
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