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Title: Hal Turner Arrested for threatening Judges...Faces up to 10 years
Source: Wired
URL Source: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/20 ... ned-to-murder-judges-feds-say/
Published: Jun 24, 2009
Author: David Kravets
Post Date: 2009-06-24 21:51:50 by Old Friend
Keywords: None
Views: 2157
Comments: 76

A white supremacist blogger and internet radio host was arrested and charged Wednesday with threatening to kill judges, the authorities said.

Hal Turner was arrested at his apartment in suburban New Jersey. According to court documents, after a three-judge panel of the Chicago-based 7th U.S. Circuit of Appeals upheld a Chicago handgun ban, he blogged that the judges should be “killed.”

“Let me be the first to say this plainly: These judges deserve to be killed. Their blood will replenish the tree of liberty. A small price to pay to assure freedom for millions,” he wrote on his blog (tunerradionetwork.blogspot.com) on June 2, the day of the ruling, according to court documents. A day later he posted addresses, photos, maps and other identifying information about Chief Judge Frank Easterbrook and Judges Richard Posner and William Bauer, the authorities said.

An FBI agent said (.pdf) Turner told the authorities “he did not intend to injure the judges but believed he would be criminally responsible if someone reading his website acted on what he posted to his website.”

The banner on his Turner Radio Network site includes this logo: “Free Speech: No Matter who Doesn’t Like It!”

Turner, who is to appear in New Jersey federal court Thursday, faces a maximum 10-year term if convicted.

“We take threats to federal judges very seriously. Period,” said Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Illinois.

State charges are also pending against the 47-year-old Turner in Hartford, Connecticut, where he is accused of inciting readers to “take up arms” against state lawmakers.

Two years ago, Turner’s site allegedly was the victim of denial of service attacks by the group, Anonymous. Hackers also claimed he was an FBI informant after posting e-mail allegedly between Turner and an agent. (1 image)

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#1. To: Old Friend (#0)

An FBI agent said (.pdf) Turner told the authorities “he did not intend to injure the judges but believed he would be criminally responsible if someone reading his website acted on what he posted to his website.”

i doubt the veracity of that statement. i don't think Hal would be dumb enough to say that. at any rate, this should put to rest the accusation that Hal himself is a fed.

christine  posted on  2009-06-24   22:00:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: christine, IndieTX, all (#1)

http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/3362

HIs emails were hacked some time ago and they found some interesting things.


Anti Semite Hal Turner Exposed as FBI Operative - By Richard Evans 17th January 2008

Anti Semite Hal Turner Exposed as FBI Operative
By Richard Evans
17th January 2008

Recently two individuals hacked the email database of an infamous internet radio talk show celebrity named Hal Turner. What Turner's own emails revealed was first made public when the hackers posted them on Turner's own internet forum.

Subsequently Turner removed his web site, leaving a notice which implies the host pulled the site as part of a persecution conspiracy against him.
Turner, in the midst of rising rising fame as a poster boys for home grown extremists, has folded up shop. http://halturnershow.com

What happened?

"On Jan. 1, unidentified hackers electronically confronted Turner in the forum of his website for "The Hal Turner Show." After a heated exchange, they told Turner that they had successfully hacked into his server and found correspondence with an FBI agent who is apparently Turner's handler. Then they posted an alleged July 7 e-mail to the agent in which Turner hands over a message from someone who sent in a death threat against Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wisc.).

"Once again," Turner writes to his handler, "my fierce rhetoric has served to flush out a possible crazy." In what is allegedly a portion of another E-mail, Turner discusses the money he is paid."
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2008/01/11/neo-nazi-threatmaker-accused-of...

Hal Turner, rising in fame as the most blatant hate talk radio host, self-proclaimed neo-nazi, antisemite, racist who hinted at the need to eradicate Jews - turns out to have been fronting a typical FBI COINTELPRO sting operation.

The only question is, was Turner really the extremist racist scum bag he'd portrayed for at least ten years. Was he just an FBI informer because they'd cut him a deal for something they had on him? Or had he always been an undercover agent, who developed this persona and reputation over many years ?

In one of the hacked emails to one of two FBI handlers, shaug@fbi.gov; Len Nerbetski, "Subject: Threat to Kill Senator Feingold of Wisconsin on July 4", Turner closes with this:

"> Please acknowledge receipt of this warning. Of late, both of
> you have become remiss in acknowledging e-mails.

>
> HT"

Special Agent Nerbetski wrote an excuse:

"I think you forget that I no longer have my
> blackberry and thus no real-time link to the email. I have to be
> logged on to a server to access it. As you know, I don;t have
> one growing out of my ass...Some emails require no comment..."

In another email in this thread, Turner expresses concern about not receiving acknowledgment of when he'd be paid for the tip.

I can only extrapolate, but it read to me that Turner's FBI handlers were already distancing themselves and may have been in the process of hanging him out to dry.

The hackers that obtained and distributed Turner's damning emails haven't identified themselves, and the FBI and New Jersey State Police aren't looking for them. It's only a guess, but it's not out of the question that the FBI were done with Turner and shut him down. Either way, good riddance.

But there's more to the story than it's face value. Who was Hal Turner...Really?

The Hal Turner 'story' as a public malcontent begins nearly twenty years ago, to the early 1990's.

The making of a cointelpro talk show host:

"Identifying himself as "Hal from North Bergen", he achieved notoriety in local conservative circles as a frequent caller to the WABC-AM radio talk show hosted by Bob Grant.[1] Turner parlayed this fame into a role as the northern New Jersey coordinator for Patrick J. Buchanan's 1992 presidential campaign. He went on to serve as campaign manager for Libertarian Murray Sabrin in a number of campaigns in New Jersey in the 1990s, including a 1997 gubernatorial campaign.[2][3] (cited from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner )

"After Bob Grant's program was taken off the air for racist content, Turner established a friendship with his replacement, Sean Hannity, ands frequently appeared on his program. Turner then became a talk radio host himself, joining fellow regular callers Frank from Queens and John from Staten Island to start the program The Right Perspective.[4]shortwave radio station WBCQ. Turner left the program in 2002, citing artistic differences. In 2002, Turner became a solo host."

I do recall Pat Buchanan's run for Republican nomination for President during 1992, and I remember the campaign failed due to ABC, NBC, and CBS innuendos that Buchanan was supposedly sympathetic to racists and fascists. Well it's small wonder, since none other than Hal Turner had managed to get into the position of north New Jersey campaign coordinator. The question is: Was Hal Turner associated with the FBI back then? Was he used to undermine Buchanan?

On the other hand, if Turner had been groomed all these years as an FBI asset, why would they suddenly blow his cover?

It's only speculation, Sean Hannity's current rise in the pantheon of FOX right wing rant talk show hosts may be a factor. It wouldn't do to have Turner become America's most famous nazi, and his association with Hannity back in the WABC-AM days go public in a big way.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-06-25   10:02:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: PSUSA (#13)

Maybe the hackers are lying. Maybe the hackers are the govt. Maybe he is one of the bad guys. Maybe he isn't Hard to know for sure.

Hell some people think you are a govt agent. Brian S. suggested I was one. Anyone could be one.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-06-25   10:06:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Old Friend (#14) (Edited)

Hard to know for sure.

It Sure is. What exactly would it take to prove it?

We just have to go off of our experiences and expectations, and the realization that it's better to be safe than sorry.

Then we pick up on some things that are said by that person that are total bullshit, but are used to get a desired reaction from his followers. Then ask yourself why he does that. Alex Jones is a prime example but others do it.

This "arrest" smells like BS to me.

“Let me be the first to say this plainly: These judges deserve to be killed. Their blood will replenish the tree of liberty. A small price to pay to assure freedom for millions,” he wrote on his blog (tunerradionetwork.blogspot.com) on June 2, the day of the ruling, according to court documents. A day later he posted addresses, photos, maps and other identifying information about Chief Judge Frank Easterbrook and Judges Richard Posner and William Bauer, the authorities said.

Lot's of us have said that judges that make these kinds of rulings should be killed. I've said it myself, I'm sure. No knocks on the door yet...

What is criminal about posting addresses and pics of judges? I"ve posted pics of judges and the addresses of the sex offending pigs they sentenced to probation and suspended sentences. I dont care what people do with that info.

This, IMO is being used to build up his street credibility. He's being "persecuted" by the PTB... Right.

As far as him being a fed, there are the hacked emails. They have left him alone up until now (supposedly) when he advocated worse things than what he is charged with now. You want someone to be a spy that the target(s) will trust, so he is going to act like his targets, if not more hardcore than his targets.

Otherwise, why would his targets listen to him?

It;s like the feds infiltrating various organized militias. They have a tendency to want to start shit, buy or steal explosives, or goad others into committing other crimes.

.

PSUSA  posted on  2009-06-25   10:33:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#17. To: PSUSA (#16)

Lot's of us have said that judges that make these kinds of rulings should be killed. I've said it myself, I'm sure. No knocks on the door yet...

You don't have the high profile that he has. That could explain that one.

I don't follow this Hal Turner guy. I have never listened to his show. I have seen some of his stuff posted here and I knew there were people here interested in him. So when I saw this article I posted it.

I have no idea if he is "one of them" or if some hackers hacked or rewrote his emails.

Just because someone has the guts/stupidity to say some stuff like he said doesn't necessarily make him a government instigator or whatever.

My gut tells me he is just a regular guy and not part of the government snitch program.

They don't need people on the radio blabbing their mouth trying to get people to email them their evil thoughts or deeds in order to catch them. They have echelon and don't need a radio host. As to Alex Jones, I like him.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-06-25 10:40:45 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: PSUSA (#16)

As far as him being a fed, there are the hacked emails

Do you take into account that they could be fake?

Also just to throw this out. Maybe you are the govt agent and you calling him a fed salvages your reputation. I'm just being theoretical and don't take it personally.

People can over analyze things and then they get ideas in their head and they think they are onto something when in reality they are just weaving a fairy tale in their head.

Old Friend  posted on  2009-06-25 10:42:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: PSUSA, all (#16)

Alex Jones is a prime example but others do it.

What I find funny is that it was AJ who said, once Turner was arrested, "he's a fed." That was last week.

Not for anything, but who should know better than he about tossing that charge around?

All this said, I don't know Turner, don't care much about his life and I grew to find his show a snooze. But as to who is or isn't a fed, IMVHO, it's a baseless charge w/o proof.

BTW, during that email incident, his show was attacked (DOS) every time he tried to broadcast. I was thinking back then, if he were a fed, why would they make him voiceless? I'd think they'd have bought him a decent server and perhaps two hours on one of the better S/W stations.

Just a thought.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2009-06-25 10:44:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: PSUSA (#16)

Lot's of us have said that judges that make these kinds of rulings should be killed. I've said it myself, I'm sure. No knocks on the door yet...

I never said it.

And just because there has been no knock so far doesn't mean one isn't coming.

The judges, like the politicians, are just puppets. The elite would rather you blame their puppets rather than themselves. Sure, they are cowardly little toadies, but that is all they are. They have no real power and aren't responsible for the course this nation and western world is on now.

RickyJ  posted on  2009-06-25 13:23:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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