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Title: Hal Turner Arrested for threatening Judges...Faces up to 10 years
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Wired
URL Source: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/20 ... ned-to-murder-judges-feds-say/
Published: Jun 24, 2009
Author: David Kravets
Post Date: 2009-06-24 21:51:50 by Old Friend
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Views: 2098
Comments: 76
A white supremacist blogger and internet radio host was arrested and charged Wednesday with threatening to kill judges, the authorities said. Hal Turner was arrested at his apartment in suburban New Jersey. According to court documents, after a three-judge panel of the Chicago-based 7th U.S. Circuit of Appeals upheld a Chicago handgun ban, he blogged that the judges should be “killed.” “Let me be the first to say this plainly: These judges deserve to be killed. Their blood will replenish the tree of liberty. A small price to pay to assure freedom for millions,” he wrote on his blog (tunerradionetwork.blogspot.com) on June 2, the day of the ruling, according to court documents. A day later he posted addresses, photos, maps and other identifying information about Chief Judge Frank Easterbrook and Judges Richard Posner and William Bauer, the authorities said. An FBI agent said (.pdf) Turner told the authorities “he did not intend to injure the judges but believed he would be criminally responsible if someone reading his website acted on what he posted to his website.” The banner on his Turner Radio Network site includes this logo: “Free Speech: No Matter who Doesn’t Like It!” Turner, who is to appear in New Jersey federal court Thursday, faces a maximum 10-year term if convicted. “We take threats to federal judges very seriously. Period,” said Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Illinois. State charges are also pending against the 47-year-old Turner in Hartford, Connecticut, where he is accused of inciting readers to “take up arms” against state lawmakers. Two years ago, Turner’s site allegedly was the victim of denial of service attacks by the group, Anonymous. Hackers also claimed he was an FBI informant after posting e-mail allegedly between Turner and an agent.
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#2. To: All (#0)
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Jeez....some very prominent patriot radio hosts swore Hal was a fed. Said so
right on their show last week. My position has always been *if you aren't
positive, don't use that brush.* It appears he wasn't, eh?
And, surely you can see that this is quite possibly a transparent attempt to repair his rep and put him back into service? If not for that revelation of him being a fed he probably would not have been charged at all, and it may all be for show to convince folks that he's the real thing. After the outrageous things he's said and done for years, why now? Why wasn't he charged years ago? Ask yourself this question: "If Hal Turner was your (govt) snitch and you wanted to put him back into service, what would you do differently?" Why, they'd do just what they're doing now, unless he's convicted and serves serious jail time which of course he won't. It is those "people you can fool some of the time" that the govt uses Turner to monitor, and no matter how obvious it is that he's a snitch there will be a certain percentage who'll refuse to believe it and who will continue to leak anti govt plots to Hal Turner. Anyone who is naive enough to believe that a man can make threats against public officials and minorities for years and remain untouched by the system is also foolish enough to believe that he or she can confide in Hal Turner. We'd both be flabbergasted if we knew just how much intel Turner collects, and how criminally stupid and trusting some of Turner's cult followers really are. Remember, this is the country where the police can advertise an offer to return a large amount of cocaine that was found in a suitcase and some damned dummy will actually think he can go to the station and legally claim it! People of that ilk would have no trouble believing that Turner can do what he does and stay out of jail while Irwin Schiff rots in jail and is forbidden to sell books or even speak on the subject of taxes!
The question is this. Unless someone has proof, don't level the charge. It's that basic.
Apparently there is enough proof that Hal has a relationship with the feds to suddenly warrant a flurry of "corrective actions" that many of the same supporters were explaining couldn't happen just six months ago. Back then Hal was just exercising his free expression and was therefore bulletproof and now suddenly it's actionable, and either someone should explain why it never happened before (especially in NJ where Zionists and minorities have so much influence-Hell, why didn't his IP would have shut him down if he was the real thing?) or why it's suddenly happening now that Hal needs to be rehabbed so he can serve as a govt snitch again. Why do some Americans convict their fellow Americans for non existent tax "crimes"? Well the answer is simple: They'd rather remain a tax slave themselves than to admit that they were duped for so many years, and some would send a person to prison to avoid facing the unpleasant truth about themselves. Given a choice between believing that the defendant is a criminal or they the juror is stupid they choose the former, and this is made easier by never examining the evidence of the fraudulent nature of the income tax.
Maybe in your mind, but that still doesn't make your case. Again, that's my only interest in Turner. I don't know whether he (or anyone else who hosts a show) is a fed or not, but until I know much, much more I'll leave that particular smear alone. We're all opinionated people, but when AJ says bluntly "he was a fed", I get to say that AJ is full of shit until he can prove the charge. What I see in Turner is a guy who couldn't get on the air but once a week, and that sporadically. That's hardly a way for a federal asset to attract disciples, which would be the sole purpose of a Turner. I guess some will have to see the man sentenced and doing time before the obvious hits them, and that's fine. But it doesn't make a premature leap to conclusion any less despicable. It's despicable not because it's Turner, but because it can then happen to anyone else on our side of the political ledger. And Lord knows it does. Hal is but the latest of a long line of radio hosts who have been accused without proof by folks who comfortably sit on the sidelines. I could care less where he spends the next decade, but I suppose if he does go to prison that still wouldn't convince some. Then examples of how the FedGov tosses used assets overboard will be rolled out as "evidence" of his guilt. As far as your Rosenberg example they were tried and convicted. Subsequently much evidence has since proven the state's case against them. Why you chose to weave them into this is beyond me unless it was to buttress my examples oh how guilt is firmly be established, given the limits of the system.
To my mind, the FBI would throw Turner away before they go thru these gyrations, because if he walks, no one would ever trust him again. If he goes to jail, the government gets hurt, because some people might wake the hell up. Odds....he is now tainted meat NEITHER sides wants.
Cyni, From my experience the average person will never, ever know who the agents are. That's the nature of the business here in the States and in every other nation on the planet. My best take on Turner is that he was a very outspoken, pro-white guy and that simply isn't allowed. I'll be the first to change that benign opinion when and if additional info comes along. But as for now he just might be the beginning of the Internet purge we all suspect His Highness has promised. The one the Os clamored for.
My rule is never trust anyone, and work from there. There are many paid snitches or informants, and then there are hordes of patriotic citizens that do their duty and inform on their own Grandmother.
Absolutely. There is a point in a relationship where trust enters, but it has to be earned over a period of time and under certain conditions. But even if I didn't trust someone, it would be wrong to accuse h/she of collaboration w/o proof. Just my opinion.
Infamous hate blogger and Internet radio host Hal Turner had a small arsenal in his home that included 200 rounds of ammunition and 150 hollow-point bullets when it was searched by the FBI yesterday, it was disclosed in court today. Federal officials told the court of the ammo and guns at Turner's hearing this afternoon in Newark. Turner, who is charged with threatening to kill federal judges in Chicago in a blog post on June 2, was held without bail. FBI seized the ammunition as well as three handguns and one shotgun, officials said. Turner's attorney, Michael Orozco, said Turner had permits for the guns. Turner, wearing a gray t-shirt and blue jeans, appeared relaxed in court today. His hands were cuffed in front of him and his feet were shackled. There was a U.S. Marshal at his sides and a number marshals posted at the door of the courtroom. The hearing was attended by Turner's wife, mother and brother, who spoke with Turner briefly before the hearing. District Court Judge Michael Shipp said at the hearing he found Turner is a danger to the community based on the remarks in his blog. Illinois authorities say Turner wrote on his blog June 2: "Let me be the first to say this plainly: These judges deserve to be killed." The Chicago judges apparently has angered Turner with their ruling on a handgun ban. Shipp today gave Turner a list of conditions that must be adhered to if he posts bail. He order Turner to refrain from using the Internet; he can have no contact with the judges he's accused to threatening; Turner's barred barred from blogging or broadcasting his show; he must surrender all broadcasting equipment he owns; he must remain under house arrest and wear an electronic bracelet; he must forfeit all travel documents like his passport. Turner is also facing charges that his comments in a blog post -- also posted on June 2 -- was inciting violence against two lawmakers who championed a bill that would provide more oversight of the finances of Catholic parishes.
Thoughtcriminal.
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#7. To: Jethro Tull, christine, Cynicom, lodwick, bluegrass (#2)
It appears he wasn't, eh?
#12. To: HOUNDDAWG (#7)
And, surely you can see that this is quite possibly a transparent attempt to repair his rep and put him back into service?
#34. To: Jethro Tull (#12)
The question is this. Unless someone has proof, don't level the charge. It's that basic.
#36. To: HOUNDDAWG (#34)
Apparently there is enough proof that Hal has a relationship with the feds to suddenly warrant a flurry of "corrective actions"
#37. To: Jethro Tull (#36)
We're all opinionated people, but when AJ says bluntly "he was a fed", I get to say that AJ is full of shit until he can prove the charge.
#38. To: Cynicom (#37)
#39. To: Jethro Tull (#38)
#40. To: Cynicom (#39)
My rule is never trust anyone, and work from there.
#41. To: All (#40)
HERE
200 rounds of ammo, hollow-point bullets seized from hate blogger Turner's home
by Michaelangelo Conte/The Jersey Journal
Hate blogger Hal Turner, right, appears in a Hudson County courtroom with his laywer, Michael Orozco, on June 8.
Turner will be held until the value of his mother's Pennsylvania home, which would be used to secure the $200,000 bail bond, could be proven. At that point the judge would reconsider setting a bail.
Also the judge ordered his wife to serve as a third-party custodian for the government.
#44. To: Jethro Tull (#41)
Infamous hate blogger
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