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Title: Hal Turner Arrested for threatening Judges...Faces up to 10 years
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Wired
URL Source: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/20 ... ned-to-murder-judges-feds-say/
Published: Jun 24, 2009
Author: David Kravets
Post Date: 2009-06-24 21:51:50 by Old Friend
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Views: 2183
Comments: 76
A white supremacist blogger and internet radio host was arrested and charged Wednesday with threatening to kill judges, the authorities said. Hal Turner was arrested at his apartment in suburban New Jersey. According to court documents, after a three-judge panel of the Chicago-based 7th U.S. Circuit of Appeals upheld a Chicago handgun ban, he blogged that the judges should be “killed.” “Let me be the first to say this plainly: These judges deserve to be killed. Their blood will replenish the tree of liberty. A small price to pay to assure freedom for millions,” he wrote on his blog (tunerradionetwork.blogspot.com) on June 2, the day of the ruling, according to court documents. A day later he posted addresses, photos, maps and other identifying information about Chief Judge Frank Easterbrook and Judges Richard Posner and William Bauer, the authorities said. An FBI agent said (.pdf) Turner told the authorities “he did not intend to injure the judges but believed he would be criminally responsible if someone reading his website acted on what he posted to his website.” The banner on his Turner Radio Network site includes this logo: “Free Speech: No Matter who Doesn’t Like It!” Turner, who is to appear in New Jersey federal court Thursday, faces a maximum 10-year term if convicted. “We take threats to federal judges very seriously. Period,” said Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Illinois. State charges are also pending against the 47-year-old Turner in Hartford, Connecticut, where he is accused of inciting readers to “take up arms” against state lawmakers. Two years ago, Turner’s site allegedly was the victim of denial of service attacks by the group, Anonymous. Hackers also claimed he was an FBI informant after posting e-mail allegedly between Turner and an agent.
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Jeez....some very prominent patriot radio hosts swore Hal was a fed. Said so
right on their show last week. My position has always been *if you aren't
positive, don't use that brush.* It appears he wasn't, eh?
And, surely you can see that this is quite possibly a transparent attempt to repair his rep and put him back into service? If not for that revelation of him being a fed he probably would not have been charged at all, and it may all be for show to convince folks that he's the real thing. After the outrageous things he's said and done for years, why now? Why wasn't he charged years ago? Ask yourself this question: "If Hal Turner was your (govt) snitch and you wanted to put him back into service, what would you do differently?" Why, they'd do just what they're doing now, unless he's convicted and serves serious jail time which of course he won't. It is those "people you can fool some of the time" that the govt uses Turner to monitor, and no matter how obvious it is that he's a snitch there will be a certain percentage who'll refuse to believe it and who will continue to leak anti govt plots to Hal Turner. Anyone who is naive enough to believe that a man can make threats against public officials and minorities for years and remain untouched by the system is also foolish enough to believe that he or she can confide in Hal Turner. We'd both be flabbergasted if we knew just how much intel Turner collects, and how criminally stupid and trusting some of Turner's cult followers really are. Remember, this is the country where the police can advertise an offer to return a large amount of cocaine that was found in a suitcase and some damned dummy will actually think he can go to the station and legally claim it! People of that ilk would have no trouble believing that Turner can do what he does and stay out of jail while Irwin Schiff rots in jail and is forbidden to sell books or even speak on the subject of taxes!
The question is this. Unless someone has proof, don't level the charge. It's that basic.
Apparently there is enough proof that Hal has a relationship with the feds to suddenly warrant a flurry of "corrective actions" that many of the same supporters were explaining couldn't happen just six months ago. Back then Hal was just exercising his free expression and was therefore bulletproof and now suddenly it's actionable, and either someone should explain why it never happened before (especially in NJ where Zionists and minorities have so much influence-Hell, why didn't his IP would have shut him down if he was the real thing?) or why it's suddenly happening now that Hal needs to be rehabbed so he can serve as a govt snitch again. Why do some Americans convict their fellow Americans for non existent tax "crimes"? Well the answer is simple: They'd rather remain a tax slave themselves than to admit that they were duped for so many years, and some would send a person to prison to avoid facing the unpleasant truth about themselves. Given a choice between believing that the defendant is a criminal or they the juror is stupid they choose the former, and this is made easier by never examining the evidence of the fraudulent nature of the income tax.
Maybe in your mind, but that still doesn't make your case. Again, that's my only interest in Turner. I don't know whether he (or anyone else who hosts a show) is a fed or not, but until I know much, much more I'll leave that particular smear alone. We're all opinionated people, but when AJ says bluntly "he was a fed", I get to say that AJ is full of shit until he can prove the charge. What I see in Turner is a guy who couldn't get on the air but once a week, and that sporadically. That's hardly a way for a federal asset to attract disciples, which would be the sole purpose of a Turner. I guess some will have to see the man sentenced and doing time before the obvious hits them, and that's fine. But it doesn't make a premature leap to conclusion any less despicable. It's despicable not because it's Turner, but because it can then happen to anyone else on our side of the political ledger. And Lord knows it does. Hal is but the latest of a long line of radio hosts who have been accused without proof by folks who comfortably sit on the sidelines. I could care less where he spends the next decade, but I suppose if he does go to prison that still wouldn't convince some. Then examples of how the FedGov tosses used assets overboard will be rolled out as "evidence" of his guilt. As far as your Rosenberg example they were tried and convicted. Subsequently much evidence has since proven the state's case against them. Why you chose to weave them into this is beyond me unless it was to buttress my examples oh how guilt is firmly be established, given the limits of the system.
Actually, that does give me a moment of pause. AJ is certainly not the person to being casting suspicions. But then again he may consider himself to be the Alpha DAWG of super deep covers on "reel important govt bizness" and that if Turner is fingered it will leave less residual suspicion in general and AJ can only benefit from that. Hell, even if AJ and Hal meet the same paymaster at the same little restaurant on the same night, AJ's monster ego would likely compel him to try to eliminate any "competition for Big Brutha's affection". If for no other reason AJ tiptoes around controversy involving the "J" word and Hal seems to say whatever he damn well pleases and gets away with it. This has got to make it tough on AJ when his followers ask why he doesn't take a stand, and the best way to explain why it wouldn't be safe to follow in Hal's footsteps is to accuse Turner of being a FED. In fact they could both be FEDs but AJ wants to stay inside "respectable political parameters" until such time as he is needed to tell us not to take it to the streets. And, just when might that be necessary? Why, when the sweeping bans come down and Hal Turner demands we rise up and of course nothing happens. At that point AJ and Hal may both be following their mandates by canceling each other's messages and paralyzing the people into inaction. (Abbott & Costello) I just can't picture a guy who tries as hard to make enemies as Hal Turner setting up shop in NJ where even HP ammo is (rumored to be-can't get a straight answer on the net) against the law, where the entire police state apparatus may align against him at a crucial time and where potential assassins linger on every street corner. The police may even turn their heads if Turner is set upon and then badly bungle any investigation into the attack on Turner. And, how does he manage a gun permit (even for simple possession if not carry) in NJ when his unrepentant incitement to racial hatred and violence would be adequate grounds for denial or revocation? And, when accused of being an FBI rodent he suddenly quit the movement (which didn't last long) and this strikes me as the textbook example of mens rea. Even allowing for Wikipedia spin it seems to me that Hal Turner is on a mission to provide the Congress, the FBI, the ATF and the SPLC with all of the prima facie evidence they'll ever need that guns, the internet, free speech and white people should be against the law. Trust me, if the most sweeping legislation in our history is ever introduced and the enemy attempts to take it all in a single fell swoop Hal Turner will be the poster bad boy and then we'll see his agenda in its true light. And what will Hal Turner say then? "Aw gee, I'm sorry folks, I thought I was helping America! I didn't know that the people would be suspicious of my motives and too afraid to openly rebel...." And, Alex Jones? "Aw, gee folks, now is not the time to dig those guns up. We have to plan and carefully prepare if we want to defeat the reptilian neocon Moloch worshipers of the New World Order. (HOO?-HD) In fact, I've outlined a decisive plan of action in my new book, entitled, 'There's A Time For Talk And a Time For Action' and with the holidays right around the corner if you buy two copies you'll get the third copy for only 25 dollars! That's a savings of almost 18 percent!...Trust me folks, we have to prepare and this book will tell you what you need to know. And, what's a better gift than the plan for freeing America..."
That would have been the exact time to have given a CI a BS pinch, using any number of charges. The emails could have been introduced in some fashion, only to then tossed as hacked material. 'Dawg, you know your stuff thanks to life experience and past employment, and on this I think we can agree; If Turner was/is a fed his handlers had/have to be affirmative action employees :P
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#7. To: Jethro Tull, christine, Cynicom, lodwick, bluegrass (#2)
It appears he wasn't, eh?
#12. To: HOUNDDAWG (#7)
And, surely you can see that this is quite possibly a transparent attempt to repair his rep and put him back into service?
#34. To: Jethro Tull (#12)
The question is this. Unless someone has proof, don't level the charge. It's that basic.
#36. To: HOUNDDAWG (#34)
Apparently there is enough proof that Hal has a relationship with the feds to suddenly warrant a flurry of "corrective actions"
#63. To: Jethro Tull, bluegrass, christine (#36)
We're all opinionated people, but when AJ says bluntly "he was a fed", I get to say that AJ is full of shit until he can prove the charge.
#66. To: HOUNDDAWG (#63)
And, when accused of being an FBI rodent he suddenly quit the movement (which didn't last long) and this strikes me as the textbook example of mens rea.
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