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Title: FR member walks out of church because his politics is more important than God’s word (Pastor talks about Cindy Sheehan)
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URL Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1463155/posts?page=151,31
Published: Aug 14, 2005
Author: RickyJ
Post Date: 2005-08-14 14:41:12 by RickyJ
Keywords: important, politics, Sheehan)
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Comments: 21
Please excuse me from bringing this over from FR. I just thought this post displayed crystal clear where the average freeper's allegiance lies when there is a choice between politics and the word of God confronting them. Well, I walked out of church this morning over the Cindy Sheehan situation Posted on 08/14/2005 12:17:15 PM EDT by Chi-townChief I'll apologize in advance for this vanity post but I need to get this off my chest: At our 10:30 a.m. mass this morning, our pastor was the celebrant. Today's Gospel was the story of Christ's meeting with the Canaanite woman and the eventual healing of her daughter. Our pastor then followed with his homily where he first related the plight of the Canaanite woman with a woman he knew who called him requesting prayers for an illness in her family which we could relate to since my wife and I are both contending with (minor, we hope) health issues. The nest thing we know, the pastor is relating this to the "lady camped out in Texas asking for healing AND ACCOUNTABILITY" (the emphasis is my own). We sat there and listened through the sermon as he returned to the Sheehan story a few more times asking us to imagine an Iraqi woman who lost children in the same position. Thankfully, it was pretty short and we stood for the Creed but then, immediately before the intercessions, the pastor returned to the topic. This was too much for us so we turned and left, commenting to those around that we don't come to church to hear politics. I handed the usher my offering as we exited. This is the first time something like this has happened in this church we have attended for the past twenty years or so and I feel pretty horrible about the whole thing.
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Here are some comments showing just about every poster there agreeing with him. Once again, sorry for the vanity. Personally I'd have walked out alot sooner. I would have walked out too. CHICAGOLAND PING (St. Gerald's at 93rd and Central for those interested) No need to apologize. It was good of you to keep us informed. Thank you. You were put in an awkward position. I'm sorry to hear it. Thanks for sharing the story. You should have kept it. Revolting. I think you should write him a letter telling him that he had no business interjecting his political opinions into the homily. Also, see if you can find other people in the parish who were upset. I bet you weren't the only one. I'd say that you restrained yourself admirably (at least compared to what I might have done). Me too..... ask you pastor if he agress with some of her quotes I'm literally nauseous over the whole thing. You did the right thing. Priests should not attempt to brainwash parishoners and they should stay out of politics. (Separation of Church and State, I believe is the term.) I hope you don't feel horrible for walking out. I would have as well. If you feel horrible for anything, it's that this church you've attended for 20 years has done something to make you walk out, and you may need to find a new one. (Assuming this was not a "guest pastor", as you referred to him as "our.") Interesting. Our pastor last night made similarly obnoxious, though not as blatant, comments. | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ] You did the right thing. You can always find another Church if it contunues. (“You love life, while we love death.” - Al-Qaeda / Democratic Party) I would have walked out too. Perhaps this could be followed up with a letter to the Editor in your local newspaper so your Priest will know why you left and maybe spur others who share your feelings to follow suit. Thanks for the ping. I'd give your Pastor the benefit of the doubt, he likely doesn't know the full extent of her commentary. It might be worth filling him in at some point. (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN) I would have walked out too. Actually, I have walked out before -- a parish I used to go to had a very liberal priest who always injected his political opinions into everything. Please let the bishop know about this. If he does not correct it, I suggest you cease financial support and make sure they know why. (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor!) reminds me of a similar incident with me. I was attended a Catholic church in town (Los Angeles) with my girlfriend. In the sermon the priest called for prayers for Timothy McVie, and yes-- God even loved Timothy McVie.. Only a blind follower would have stood for that. What's to apologize for? I've done this myself, but I stopped off at the men's room first to wash my hands before I left. Hopefully, it will be heeded in the future. The Sunday after the 0/11 attacks, my priest went to "..the corrupt neb who control Alan Greenspan.." in his sermon. He is a touchy feely creep who walks the aisle during his words of wisdom. When he got within two rows, I got up, genuflected and left. Me, too. And I wouldn't have left an "offering." I wouldn't go back to that church, either. The political views of the pastor have no business intruding. (Now that taglines are cool, I refuse to have one.) Yes, that's 9/11. I am a Catholic. I would have joined you. (Offering prayers for the health of both of you.) I would not suggest writing to the newspaper before writing a letter to the Priest and seeing what the response is. "What does the Canaanite woman and the eventual healing of her daughter, have to do w/cindy sheehan?" | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ] You should have made it clear to the congregation why you were leaving. Some may think it was because you had an emergency. Too bad you didn't stand up and say to the preacher "we don't come to church to hear politics". So sorry for you. I slept in this a.m. but would have done the same if it occured at any of the protestantant churches I frequent. :) You did the right thing by walking out. We need more people with character. It's a shame that crap is coming from the pulpit and they are feeding the "sheeples" with it. I walked out of a Sabbath service in Maryland a few months ago when it turned out to be a God-mocking left-wing shindig. You ain't alone. Fortunately, the priest we had this morning was forced to flee Pakistan under a threat of assasination. At the point he may have strayed to the Cindy analogy instead he made a point about the inate evil of suicide bombers. I'm betting he does not reach out. I was with you until the offering part... heh heh heh. (US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.) You should have gone (with your offering) to another Church. (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.) Bravo Zulu for your courage! (There's a place in this world for all of God's creations ... right next to the mashed potatoes.) Irish GOP, does this sound familiar? As I stated on another thread, I would have not put up this inappropriate commentary during a homily in church. I would have promptly walked out too. And then find another parish to attend Mass at. I've done it. Send Cardinal George a letter, certified with return receipt, detailing what this putz did. Yes he certainly should, however I'd withhold judgement until I was certain he was. Cindy's most extreme comments haven't been covered much. That said, I doubt a retraction will be coming. Not at all. This is very legit and one more great thing about FR - reporting on actual events in the real world, unfiltered. I hope you will take some action - letter, phone call, get with other parishioners - whatever works for you and let us know what happens. | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies | Report Abuse ] I walked out, have not returned and I have never felt any remorse over it. Faith is in your heart- not in a building. God is always good!
This is wonderful news!!! I see very *large* cracks developing in the neocon nation. BTW, what does a FReeper like this do when say his wife disagrees with his politics (like mine does)? Does he file for divorce? Separate? I sooooooooooo love seeing how these dogs react to differing political opinions. Maybe a FReep at St. Gerald's is in order???????
To: Chi-townChief You did what Jesus would have done. God is always good!
From what I can tell, the kingdom of bot is imploding as those who are beginning to see things are challenging those who have taken an ice pick to their eyes, and are getting banned for their thoughts.
They remind me of the Deutsche Christen, who thought supporting Hitler was true Christianity. No doubt they would have objected similarly to a German pastor objecting to Hitler's war. I wouldn't put it past a lot of them to report the pastor to the Gestapo.
This poster's comment was immediately removed. As you can see there is nothing wrong with it in the least, they just hated the truth of this message so much that they had to clear of their screens. Post number 53. God is always good!
I'm sure they have been reporting pastors, preachers, clergy men, or whatever you wish to call them for years. The devil and his followers NEVER miss a church service. They must sow discord.
God is always good!
Sick bunch of people. Of course this guy knows more than his pastor. Maybe he needs to tell his pastor how Bush is God incarnate? :P
I totally agree. Their unified front is weakening as we speak. And don't think the Iraqi resistance doesn't recognize what's happening here. Big Mo is swinging toward them and I expect a Tet-like offensive sooner, rather than later. Should I be right, and the KIA's increase dramatically, it's over for Bush and his cult.
He/She appears to be intoxicated when they posted the comment, so maybe it was all a fiction ;)
Are we but an organic computer influenced by our environment to desire one set of neuropeptides over another, equating into competition for self worth on a primitive level never realized by the shallow and self empowering.
Talk about "group think", FR is the epitome.
Are we but an organic computer influenced by our environment to desire one set of neuropeptides over another, equating into competition for self worth on a primitive level never realized by the shallow and self empowering.
I clicked on this link and scared the crap out of myself - I thought I was back on FR! {{shudder}}
But you can't jump the track, we're like cars on a cable, And life's like an hourglass, glued to the table...
Intoxicated with rage maybe, but not alcohol. I'm sure he was thinking "How dare that preacher compare that woman to a biblical figure". But if he compared Bush to one of the apostles then everything would be A-OK. Many preachers use current events in their sermons. They either want to drive home a point (the good ones), or have seen the opinion polls and know which way the wind is blowing and want to capitalize upon it (the bad ones), i.e., bring in more members and money.
God is always good!
I went to FR once and have not been back to the land of the "stepford" people. Talk about a bunch of boot licking scum, they take the cake.
Are we but an organic computer influenced by our environment to desire one set of neuropeptides over another, equating into competition for self worth on a primitive level never realized by the shallow and self empowering.
You did the right thing. Priests should not attempt to brainwash parishoners and they should stay out of politics. (Separation of Church and State, I believe is the term.) 13 posted on 08/14/2005 12:22:19 PM EDT by Virginia Queen (Virginia Queen) Oh yes, yes.. That's right there in the First Amendment. "The Freedom of Speech, except as it relates to political thought by Pastors, Elders, Deacons, or other Church leaders.. who aren't allowed to contemplate such things, shall not be infringed" Maybe we should impeach this Priest?
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
PS: You know, you'd never catch Jesus bad mouthing Government Officials or their Policies!
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
did you see that sticker? WWJB? Who would Jesus bomb? :P
{{shudder}} Bad memory lane?? :P
I think probably most bothersome to me is, as one who believes in tithing, and that it belongs to God, that these friggin yahoos would withhold from God what is His because 'they' don't like what the preacher/priest/iman/whatever is saying. To me, they are mere thieves, worse than street thieves actually, in that they would steal from Him.
To me, they are mere thieves, worse than street thieves actually, in that they would steal from Him. It shows how far this country has gone..becoming post Christian.
Bull crap. It was because it was preceived by him as *left* politics is all. If the pastor had spoken about abortion, gays, or making sure they cast a vote for the *right* Bush, er, candidate, wink, wink, nod, nod, he would have sat his ass through it and applauded in the end. Freeking hypocrite.
Of course it hurts, You're getting screwed by an elephant
I say this as somebody whose new BISHOP gave a homily after 9/11 saying it was all the fault of the US. I was so enraged I almost quit going to church, although I found that other people were also enraged and, in fact, many of them wrote to the bishop. He has turned out to be a good bishop, he's just a leftie in his political sentiments. But I think he has stopped spouting them quite so freely. Maybe your pastor will do the same.
He called on us to reject racism and predjudice (fine so far), then likened the Canaanite woman to muslims whom "we feel free to search anytime, anywhere."
This is a new pastor and it's only the second of his homilies I've heard, and both times he's made a political comment. Yuck.
a made a bee-line for the door.
Though not a vanity person myself, that needed telling. Thanks.
That man would be my former pastor at this point. And, possibly, that would be my former church. I have only belonged to one church for my entire life so I don't say that lightly. People who hop and shop churches drive me nuts but that would be a deal breaker right there.
This is not uncommon.
Remember John Paul II stood against the "Liberation Theology" of priests, which was nothing more than marxism.
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Unbelievable, some of these people think Jesus approves of this invasion of Iraq even! They are hopelessly lost.
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No doubt they would have objected similarly to a German pastor objecting to Hitler's war. I wouldn't put it past a lot of them to report the pastor to the Gestapo.
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The nest thing we know, the pastor is relating this to the "lady camped out in Texas asking for healing AND ACCOUNTABILITY"
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He/She appears to be intoxicated when they posted the comment, so maybe it was all a fiction ;)
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PS: You know, you'd never catch Jesus bad mouthing Government Officials or their Policies!
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I clicked on this link and scared the crap out of myself - I thought I was back on FR!
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I think probably most bothersome to me is, as one who believes in tithing, and that it belongs to God, that these friggin yahoos would withhold from God what is His because 'they' don't like what the preacher/priest/iman/whatever is saying.
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This was too much for us so we turned and left, commenting to those around that we don't come to church to hear politics.
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