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Title: FR member walks out of church because his politics is more important than God’s word (Pastor talks about Cindy Sheehan)
Source: FR
URL Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1463155/posts?page=151,31
Published: Aug 14, 2005
Author: RickyJ
Post Date: 2005-08-14 14:41:12 by RickyJ
Keywords: important, politics, Sheehan)
Views: 240
Comments: 21

Please excuse me from bringing this over from FR. I just thought this post displayed crystal clear where the average freeper's allegiance lies when there is a choice between politics and the word of God confronting them.


Well, I walked out of church this morning over the Cindy Sheehan situation
(VANITY)
Muself | 8/14/05 | Myself

Posted on 08/14/2005 12:17:15 PM EDT by Chi-townChief

I'll apologize in advance for this vanity post but I need to get this off my chest:

At our 10:30 a.m. mass this morning, our pastor was the celebrant. Today's Gospel was the story of Christ's meeting with the Canaanite woman and the eventual healing of her daughter. Our pastor then followed with his homily where he first related the plight of the Canaanite woman with a woman he knew who called him requesting prayers for an illness in her family which we could relate to since my wife and I are both contending with (minor, we hope) health issues.

The nest thing we know, the pastor is relating this to the "lady camped out in Texas asking for healing AND ACCOUNTABILITY" (the emphasis is my own). We sat there and listened through the sermon as he returned to the Sheehan story a few more times asking us to imagine an Iraqi woman who lost children in the same position.

Thankfully, it was pretty short and we stood for the Creed but then, immediately before the intercessions, the pastor returned to the topic.

This was too much for us so we turned and left, commenting to those around that we don't come to church to hear politics. I handed the usher my offering as we exited.

This is the first time something like this has happened in this church we have attended for the past twenty years or so and I feel pretty horrible about the whole thing.

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Once again, sorry for the vanity.

1 posted on 08/14/2005 12:17:20 PM EDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief

Personally I'd have walked out alot sooner.

2 posted on 08/14/2005 12:18:44 PM EDT by Texas_Conservative2
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To: Chi-townChief

I would have walked out too.

3 posted on 08/14/2005 12:19:22 PM EDT by Stellar Dendrite (The presence of "peace" is the absence of opposition to socialism -- Marx)
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To: AbsoluteJustice; Augie76; Barnacle; BeAllYouCanBe; BillyBoy; Bismarck; bourbon; cfrels; ...

CHICAGOLAND PING (St. Gerald's at 93rd and Central for those interested)

4 posted on 08/14/2005 12:20:03 PM EDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief

No need to apologize. It was good of you to keep us informed. Thank you.

5 posted on 08/14/2005 12:20:17 PM EDT by syriacus (Cindy Sheehan is guilty of a FAUX CAUSE -- Cindy Sheehan is guilty of a FAUX CAUSE)
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To: Chi-townChief

You were put in an awkward position. I'm sorry to hear it. Thanks for sharing the story.

6 posted on 08/14/2005 12:20:35 PM EDT by 68skylark
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To: Chi-townChief

I handed the usher my offering as we exited.

You should have kept it.

7 posted on 08/14/2005 12:20:59 PM EDT by andyandval
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To: Chi-townChief

Revolting. I think you should write him a letter telling him that he had no business interjecting his political opinions into the homily. Also, see if you can find other people in the parish who were upset. I bet you weren't the only one.

I say this as somebody whose new BISHOP gave a homily after 9/11 saying it was all the fault of the US. I was so enraged I almost quit going to church, although I found that other people were also enraged and, in fact, many of them wrote to the bishop. He has turned out to be a good bishop, he's just a leftie in his political sentiments. But I think he has stopped spouting them quite so freely. Maybe your pastor will do the same.

8 posted on 08/14/2005 12:21:15 PM EDT by livius
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To: Chi-townChief

I'd say that you restrained yourself admirably (at least compared to what I might have done).

9 posted on 08/14/2005 12:21:18 PM EDT by Bob
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To: Texas_Conservative2

Me too.....

10 posted on 08/14/2005 12:21:21 PM EDT by marmar (Even though I may look different then you...my blood runs red, white and blue.....)
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To: Chi-townChief

ask you pastor if he agress with some of her quotes

11 posted on 08/14/2005 12:22:01 PM EDT by atlanta67
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To: syriacus

I'm literally nauseous over the whole thing.

12 posted on 08/14/2005 12:22:03 PM EDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief

You did the right thing. Priests should not attempt to brainwash parishoners and they should stay out of politics. (Separation of Church and State, I believe is the term.)

13 posted on 08/14/2005 12:22:19 PM EDT by Virginia Queen (Virginia Queen)
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To: Chi-townChief

I hope you don't feel horrible for walking out. I would have as well. If you feel horrible for anything, it's that this church you've attended for 20 years has done something to make you walk out, and you may need to find a new one. (Assuming this was not a "guest pastor", as you referred to him as "our.")

14 posted on 08/14/2005 12:22:21 PM EDT by cgk (I'm back, but... slowly. Malkin/North/Pro-life ping lists will be back ASAP. GOD BLESS!)
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To: Chi-townChief

Interesting. Our pastor last night made similarly obnoxious, though not as blatant, comments.

He called on us to reject racism and predjudice (fine so far), then likened the Canaanite woman to muslims whom "we feel free to search anytime, anywhere."

This is a new pastor and it's only the second of his homilies I've heard, and both times he's made a political comment. Yuck.

15 posted on 08/14/2005 12:22:24 PM EDT by pa mom
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To: Chi-townChief

You did the right thing.

16 posted on 08/14/2005 12:22:56 PM EDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Is your problem ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care.)

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To: Chi-townChief

You can always find another Church if it contunues.

17 posted on 08/14/2005 12:23:11 PM EDT by Dallas59

(“You love life, while we love death.” - Al-Qaeda / Democratic Party)

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To: Chi-townChief

I would have walked out too.

18 posted on 08/14/2005 12:23:43 PM EDT by pepperhead

(Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)

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To: Chi-townChief

Perhaps this could be followed up with a letter to the Editor in your local newspaper so your Priest will know why you left and maybe spur others who share your feelings to follow suit.

19 posted on 08/14/2005 12:23:57 PM EDT by Virginia Queen

(Virginia Queen)

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To: Chi-townChief

Thanks for the ping. I'd give your Pastor the benefit of the doubt, he likely doesn't know the full extent of her commentary. It might be worth filling him in at some point.

20 posted on 08/14/2005 12:24:08 PM EDT by SJackson

(America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)

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To: Chi-townChief

I would have walked out too. Actually, I have walked out before -- a parish I used to go to had a very liberal priest who always injected his political opinions into everything.

21 posted on 08/14/2005 12:24:09 PM EDT by Aggie Mama

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To: Chi-townChief
Heard that same thing from a poster on the live thread after Vigil Mass last night.

Please let the bishop know about this. If he does not correct it, I suggest you cease financial support and make sure they know why.

22 posted on 08/14/2005 12:24:28 PM EDT by don-o

(Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor!)

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To: marmar

reminds me of a similar incident with me. I was attended a Catholic church in town (Los Angeles) with my girlfriend. In the sermon the priest called for prayers for Timothy McVie, and yes-- God even loved Timothy McVie..

a made a bee-line for the door.

23 posted on 08/14/2005 12:24:29 PM EDT by Chuzzlewit

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To: Chi-townChief
No apology needed.

Only a blind follower would have stood for that.


Though not a vanity person myself, that needed telling. Thanks.



24 posted on 08/14/2005 12:24:35 PM EDT by G.Mason
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To: Chi-townChief

What's to apologize for?
That man would be my former pastor at this point. And, possibly, that would be my former church. I have only belonged to one church for my entire life so I don't say that lightly. People who hop and shop churches drive me nuts but that would be a deal breaker right there.

25 posted on 08/14/2005 12:25:10 PM EDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: Chi-townChief

I've done this myself, but I stopped off at the men's room first to wash my hands before I left.

26 posted on 08/14/2005 12:25:34 PM EDT by ZGuy
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To: Chi-townChief

Thank you for saying WHY you were leaving.

Hopefully, it will be heeded in the future.

27 posted on 08/14/2005 12:25:41 PM EDT by OldFriend (MERCY TO THE GUILTY IS CRUELTY TO THE INNOCENT ~ Adam Smith)
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To: Chi-townChief

The Sunday after the 0/11 attacks, my priest went to "..the corrupt neb who control Alan Greenspan.." in his sermon. He is a touchy feely creep who walks the aisle during his words of wisdom. When he got within two rows, I got up, genuflected and left.
This is not uncommon.

28 posted on 08/14/2005 12:25:57 PM EDT by steve8714
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To: Texas_Conservative2

Personally I'd have walked out alot sooner.

Me, too.

And I wouldn't have left an "offering."

I wouldn't go back to that church, either.

29 posted on 08/14/2005 12:26:07 PM EDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)

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To: Chi-townChief

The political views of the pastor have no business intruding.

Remember John Paul II stood against the "Liberation Theology" of priests, which was nothing more than marxism.

30 posted on 08/14/2005 12:26:25 PM EDT by Tijeras_Slim

(Now that taglines are cool, I refuse to have one.)

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To: steve8714

Yes, that's 9/11.

31 posted on 08/14/2005 12:26:36 PM EDT by steve8714

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To: Chi-townChief

I am a Catholic. I would have joined you. (Offering prayers for the health of both of you.)

32 posted on 08/14/2005 12:26:36 PM EDT by Bahbah

(Air America: kids-for-kilowatts)

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To: SJackson
Excuse me for being a butinski, but the "pastor" needs to be fully informed if he is going to "preach" on a topic.



33 posted on 08/14/2005 12:27:00 PM EDT by G.Mason
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To: Virginia Queen

I would not suggest writing to the newspaper before writing a letter to the Priest and seeing what the response is.

34 posted on 08/14/2005 12:27:06 PM EDT by OldFriend (MERCY TO THE GUILTY IS CRUELTY TO THE INNOCENT ~ Adam Smith)
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To: Chi-townChief

Knowing me, I would have stood up and said;

"What does the Canaanite woman and the eventual healing of her daughter, have to do w/cindy sheehan?"

35 posted on 08/14/2005 12:27:37 PM EDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: Chi-townChief

You should have made it clear to the congregation why you were leaving. Some may think it was because you had an emergency. Too bad you didn't stand up and say to the preacher "we don't come to church to hear politics".

36 posted on 08/14/2005 12:29:07 PM EDT by DuckFan4ever (Proud Bushiite.)

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To: Chi-townChief
FRiend, when the pulpit is used for politics praising traitors it's appropriate to not only walk out but also find a new church.
37 posted on 08/14/2005 12:29:32 PM EDT by ScreamingFist

(Peace through Stupidity)

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To: Chi-townChief

So sorry for you. I slept in this a.m. but would have done the same if it occured at any of the protestantant churches I frequent. :)

38 posted on 08/14/2005 12:29:45 PM EDT by freeagle

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To: Chi-townChief

You did the right thing by walking out. We need more people with character. It's a shame that crap is coming from the pulpit and they are feeding the "sheeples" with it.

39 posted on 08/14/2005 12:29:48 PM EDT by CheneyChick

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To: Chi-townChief

I walked out of a Sabbath service in Maryland a few months ago when it turned out to be a God-mocking left-wing shindig. You ain't alone.

40 posted on 08/14/2005 12:30:18 PM EDT by thoughtomator

(Free Michael Graham!)

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To: Chi-townChief

Fortunately, the priest we had this morning was forced to flee Pakistan under a threat of assasination. At the point he may have strayed to the Cindy analogy instead he made a point about the inate evil of suicide bombers.

41 posted on 08/14/2005 12:30:31 PM EDT by parcel_of_rogues

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To: OldFriend
it will be interesting to see if the priest reaches out first to a 20 year church member to find out why she walked out.

I'm betting he does not reach out.

42 posted on 08/14/2005 12:30:46 PM EDT by llevrok

(Semper Conservitatus)

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To: Chi-townChief

I was with you until the offering part... heh heh heh.

43 posted on 08/14/2005 12:31:49 PM EDT by DoughtyOne

(US socialist liberalism would be dead without the help of politicians who claim to be conservative.)

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To: Chi-townChief

You should have gone (with your offering) to another Church.

44 posted on 08/14/2005 12:32:33 PM EDT by clee1

(We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)

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To: Chi-townChief
Your actions will make more waves than the Pastor's opinions.

Bravo Zulu for your courage!

45 posted on 08/14/2005 12:33:03 PM EDT by Maigrey

(There's a place in this world for all of God's creations ... right next to the mashed potatoes.)

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To: Chi-townChief; IrishGOP; Northern Yankee; Victoria Delsoul
No apologies for the vanity. It's happening in more than your parish.

Irish GOP, does this sound familiar?

As I stated on another thread, I would have not put up this inappropriate commentary during a homily in church. I would have promptly walked out too.

And then find another parish to attend Mass at. I've done it.

46 posted on 08/14/2005 12:33:47 PM EDT by kstewskis ("I don't know what I know, but I know that it's big..." Jerry Fletcher)
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To: Chi-townChief

Send Cardinal George a letter, certified with return receipt, detailing what this putz did.

47 posted on 08/14/2005 12:34:12 PM EDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: G.Mason

Excuse me for being a butinski, but the "pastor" needs to be fully informed if he is going to "preach" on a topic.

Yes he certainly should, however I'd withhold judgement until I was certain he was. Cindy's most extreme comments haven't been covered much. That said, I doubt a retraction will be coming.

48 posted on 08/14/2005 12:34:31 PM EDT by SJackson (America...thru dissent and protest lost the ability to mobilize a will to win, Col Bui Tin, PAVN)
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To: Chi-townChief

Once again, sorry for the vanity.

Not at all. This is very legit and one more great thing about FR - reporting on actual events in the real world, unfiltered. I hope you will take some action - letter, phone call, get with other parishioners - whatever works for you and let us know what happens.

49 posted on 08/14/2005 12:35:30 PM EDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: Chi-townChief
Don't feel bad- I walked out of my church,Faith United Methodist Church, after Sept 11th-when I was told that using the very large rec room for two days- to collect clothes and blankets for children displaced by terrorists attacks and to collect work boots for the clean up crew volunteers there- would be an inconvenience to the other parishioners.

I walked out, have not returned and I have never felt any remorse over it.

Faith is in your heart- not in a building.

50 posted on 08/14/2005 12:36:13 PM EDT by Diva Betsy Ross

(Code pink stinks!)

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#5. To: RickyJ (#1)

They remind me of the Deutsche Christen, who thought supporting Hitler was true Christianity.

No doubt they would have objected similarly to a German pastor objecting to Hitler's war. I wouldn't put it past a lot of them to report the pastor to the Gestapo.

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#7. To: aristeides (#5)

No doubt they would have objected similarly to a German pastor objecting to Hitler's war. I wouldn't put it past a lot of them to report the pastor to the Gestapo.

I'm sure they have been reporting pastors, preachers, clergy men, or whatever you wish to call them for years. The devil and his followers NEVER miss a church service. They must sow discord.

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