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Title: Arizona officers fight concealed gun proposal
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URL Source: http://www.azcentral.com/news/artic ... 09/06/19/20090619guns0619.html
Published: Jun 29, 2009
Author: Casey Newton
Post Date: 2009-06-29 13:29:31 by Jethro Tull
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Views: 231
Comments: 8
Law-enforcement officials are working to quash a proposal that would allow gun owners in Arizona to carry concealed weapons without a permit. The proposal, which is scheduled to be heard today in the Senate Judiciary Committee, has sparked a debate over what restrictions should be placed on gun owners who wish to carry weapons in public buildings, schools and other places. Opponents said the bill would endanger law-enforcement officers and the public by eliminating permits and the training courses now required to obtain them. "This bill would make a radical and very dangerous change to state law," Attorney General Terry Goddard said at a Thursday news conference. "The current law in Arizona is not broken. It has worked exceptionally well." To receive a concealed-carry permit today, gun owners have to take an eight-hour course on gun laws and safety and pass a shooting test. The course costs about $100. About 125,000 Arizonans have obtained the $60 permit since the concealed-carry law was established in 1994. Senate Bill 1270, sponsored by Sen. Sylvia Allen, would make the safety course optional. It also would allow people to carry guns into public buildings and onto school campuses if they were picking up their children or responding to an emergency. Supporters of the bill say existing concealed-carry laws are confusing and can lead to unfair prosecution. A woman could be arrested for a concealed-carry violation if she was driving in her car and inadvertently placed a newspaper on top of a gun in the passenger's seat, they say. Gun owners who want to untuck their shirts to conceal a weapon when they walk into a store shouldn't have to take a training course, said John Wentling, vice president of the Arizona Citizens Defense League. "Do you need a permit to untuck your shirt? Do you need training to untuck your shirt?" Wentling said. "It's just too subjective." Police chiefs around the state have objected to the proposal, saying it would heighten tensions between officers and the community. By increasing the number of gun owners who have not received safety training, it could increase the potential for tragic accidents, they said. "It's going to put officers on edge," said Mike Frazier, police chief of El Mirage. "Who's armed? Who's not? Who's the victim? Who's the subject? There are a lot of issues involved there." But Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio said he would support the bill, saying carriers of concealed weapons should not face permit requirements when people who carry their weapons openly do not. "A gun is a gun, whether it's concealed or not," Arpaio said. If passed, Arizona would become the third state to allow gun owners to carry concealed weapons without a permit, after Alaska and Vermont. Of states that allow concealed weapons, 39 require a permit or training, according to the Attorney General's Office. Allen, the bill's sponsor, said critics of the bill have overreacted. Violent crime will decrease if the bill passes, she said. "Law enforcement is never in support of citizens protecting themselves," said Allen, R-Snowflake. "Why do we have to pass a law that says, 'This is the only way you're going to protect yourself'? . . . It's a God-given, constitutional right that you have."
Poster Comment: Well done Sheriff Joe. In a state swamped with illegals, and which has become home to Mexican drug cartels, gun ownership is necessary.
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#1. To: Jethro Tull. shooters here (#0)
Doh bump. Joe's making too much sense there.
======================================== Anyone with a brain the size of a peanut knows this. Yet, the Bilderbergers want to strip us of it. Look at the crime rates in Australia, Canada, and England since they stripped citizens of the right to bear arms and you'll see where we're headed. God Bless Sherrif Joe!
Why do police hate freedom so much? And cops wonder why we hate them... At least the new breed police state control freak cops anyway. I'd just carry anyway. Its better to have and not need than need and not have.
The NRA remains silent, they've never pushed for REAL Second Amendment freedom and to repeal the blasphemous Gun Control Act of 1968, the law freezing the number of machine guns in circulation (1986), and the National Firearms Act of 1934 (the NRA supported it).
_________________________________________________________________________ The "permit" course has nothing to do with safety as outlined in this article. They always use that as an excuse. The licensing structure is used to filter the god-given rights of those the StateInc doesn't think deserve any rights, such as people who've gotten behind on child payments, people with outstanding debt to the government such as tickets or taxes, or people with bad credit scores or people "arrested" for family violence [not even convicted]. It is somewhere in the constitution that these classes of folk get their rights revoked - not. The good pig here is only concerned about the perpetuation of the LegalIndustrialComplex - not safety. HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN SINCE WE WERE FREE?
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
I used to live in Arizona. They currently have an open carry law left over from the days of the Old West. Anyone can carry a gun if it is openly visible. You need a gun if you walk anywhere outside the city limits as they have so many mountain lions and coyotes who will go after you and your pets and children. In the cities you have the usual bad guys.
The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
====================================== The voice of wisdom. That devil wanting to take your life will be betting you never heard it.
"A gun is a gun, whether it's concealed or not," Arpaio said.
#2. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
"Law enforcement is never in support of citizens protecting themselves," said Allen, R-Snowflake. "Why do we have to pass a law that says, 'This is the only way you're going to protect yourself'? . . . It's a God-given, constitutional right that you have."
#3. To: HAPPY2BME-4UM (#2)
#4. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#5. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#6. To: IndieTX (#5)
not in our lifetime, bump
#7. To: IndieTX, X15, HAPPY2BME-4UM, Jethro Tull (#5)
#8. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
Its better to have and not need than need and not have.
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