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Title: Note from a Cop (Obama and street vibes)
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URL Source: http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?t=67090
Published: Jun 29, 2009
Author: Scott Wagner
Post Date: 2009-06-29 20:23:20 by Jethro Tull
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Views: 433
Comments: 40
Note From a Cop Poster Comment: I cant speak to current conditions, but my email group has very similar feelings.
The fear on the street is palpable. Ever since the election of Barack Obama as President of these United States in November 2008, coupled with the election of a democrat party majority in both the U.S. House and Senate, concern for the United States and personal safety has ignited like a fire in dry grass.
Sales of guns – black guns, rifles, shotguns and handguns (particularly 9mm) everywhere, have gone through the roof. AR15s have literally flown off of dealer shelves, and only now in the spring of 2009, have I seen the display samples of ARs begin to reappear on the wall of my favorite shooting emporium after the initial post election rush.
Manufacturers of ARs are still working to catch up and some of the major suppliers are as much as 150,000 guns behind. Not only that, ammo is in the shortest supply I have ever seen in the 43 years of my shooting life. Have you recently tried to get 5.56mm, 9mm or even 380 ammo?
Supplies of 5.56mm and 9mm ammo are in short supply due to the black gun buying craze; .380ACP because of the rise in people getting concealed carry permits and the resurgence of interest in convenient 380 handguns like the fine Ruger LCP. In fact, in doing a review of the Ruger LCP, my gun store only had a small supply of ONE .380 round on hand, the Winchesters 95-grain SXT, which they had just gotten in. Unfortunately, I had to do a 30-round review of that pistol. There was none other to be found.
What is odd about this new fear is that it is not coming from the average citizen gun owner out there, but it is coming from what to me is an almost shocking source: street cops.
Street cops and SWAT cops that I know from various agencies – rural, suburban and metro – in my area are scared. Cops that before November 2008 never gave much thought (that I knew of anyway) to politics or more
importantly to gun rights. For the most part, these are the guys that didn’t generally have any interest in shooting or gun ownership beyond keeping track of where their duty gun is, and a few of them didn’t even do that so well.
The guys I am talking about now are some of the same guys who used to not even carry off duty on a regular basis- but not anymore. They don’t scare easily, defenders of the Constitution of this State and the United States (as our oath of office reads), have been buying ARs, survival gear, and all the ammo they can lay their hands on. All of them (or I should say “us”) have been discussing and have been acquiring guns to provide a layered perimeter defense.
What are we suddenly so afraid of? Well in our discussions it seems to boil down to four areas.
First, fear of federal government intrusion into our lives. Every time I look at or listen to the news, there is something new and intrusive coming out of the Obama administration and this Congress. New tax schemes, government-run Canadian-style healthcare, a volunteer citizen defense force (whatever that is, what happened to the National Guard?) equipped with funding similar to our military, forced voluntary “service” after retirement, a lack of a southern border with hordes of illegal and criminal aliens pouring over our border, the swine flu scare as well as government forced closing of thousands of privately held Chrysler and GM dealerships, which will be the final nail in the coffin for these companies and the list goes on and on.
But these items in the news are just the tip of the iceberg. We can’t see the full impact of these actions yet, but we don’t know what was added into the thousand of pages of stimulus package bills in the dead of night yet. I predict however that when the plans contained in the stimulus packages go into effect, a lot of us are going to be surprised if not shocked by what has suddenly and sweepingly changed.
What also scares us is the second, well-founded fear that there is an assault weapons ban looming, one that would make the Clinton Ban appear like a look of disdain in comparison. I remember well the 1990s and the Clinton years: the rise of militia groups, the “black helicopter” rumors and paranoia, all of which was motivated by the Brady Law and the Assault Weapon’s ban. What if a new ban comes requiring registration or confiscation and turn-in of banned weapons as what happened in Australia?
...I foresee much civil disobedience coming down the road. Americans are citizens, and not subjects like the British, Canadians or Australians. They just don’t always obey the law blindly and not one officer or citizen that I spoke to said anything like “I hope I get to keep this gun for awhile before they are banned; They are fun to shoot, so I would hate to give it up.” It isn’t going to happen, so the cop on the street and the soldier on the base needs to think now what he will do if the orders come down. I think you all get what I am saying here.
Which leads me to the third fear, that there is a revolution coming, yes, a revolution on the scale of the original American Revolution. You can hear this topic discussed on many of the talk radio shows by even the big name hosts. The possibility of an armed revolution against the U.S. government being discussed, albeit very gingerly and fleetingly and as something to be avoided, which it is. I never heard this mentioned in the 90s. One of my quietest, low profile officer friends brought it up the other day.
He said that at some point in the near future, he felt there is going to be an armed revolt if things keep going the way they are. Something has got to give. I was shocked. Yes, I had heard this from some of my more radical
cop friends in the past, but to hear it from a guy like this was unprecedented. Now, these guys are not saying this will happen to foment revolution, preach sedition or to even participate. They just want to be ready if it happens, to at least defend their families, because number four on the fear list is general societal chaos.
Cops fear for their parents, wives, children or grandchildren more now than ever before. Most cops are encouraging their spouses and loved ones to get concealed carry permits. Not only that, but some of these same cops are buying gun mounts for their personal cars so they can carry an AR in the family ride at the ready all the time. They are also strapping on heavier forms of off-duty hardware. I have other friends that are issued ARs or subguns for tactical team use, who always have their gear with them and are planning on just commandeering these weapons for personal use in defending hearth and home.
Final Notes
This is pretty heady and maybe even dangerous stuff. Know fully that I am not advocating anything here. I am reflecting to you what I see and hear going on around me, and maybe saying things that haven’t been said in the
open, until now. It is something to think about.
Written By; Scott Wagner is a Police Academy Commander and Professor at Columbus State Community College in Columbus Ohio, and Commander of the 727 Counter Terror Training Unit. A 29 year law enforcement veteran, and current Deputy Sheriff, he is the Precision Marksman for the Union County Sheriff’s Office SRT Team.
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#1. To: Jethro Tul, randge, Turtle, lodwick (#0)
In my nearly 80 years, I have heard little about revolution until the Reign of Bush the Younger.... Obumski is greased into the Whore House and the talk of revolution becomes a daily drumbeat. I hope the damned politicians hiding within the beltway can hear and feel it.
Fuck 'em It's funny how the worthless punks with badges are scared. They enforce these laws. They break evem more laws, usually of a sexual nature and usually involving 15-16 year old girls, and usually it's forced and sometimes it's even in their own fucking squad car and they are on duty protecting and serving. Or they murder. Or beat the crap out of people. Or perjure themselves. or there is some other felony they commit and for which they stand a good chance at getting a suspended sentence and a little probation. So they better pray real fucking hard that there is no revolution. The Nuremberg defense didn't work for the nazis and it wont work for them. .
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In reality there are many good professional cops, minority, yes. What we have now is bald headed Gestapo agents in the majority. They love a badge, beeg cannon on the hip and steroids for their brains.
We'll need 15-20% of the local PDs and military to hope to survive. Speaking for the retired, gray haired coppers, my small clique feels like he does.
Local friend, state police, has told the boss he will take his retirement the FIRST day he is eligible. Deposit his retirement in the bank and dont try to find him.
Exactly
finally change I can believe in!
I have. Talk of the coming revolution was rampant during the Klamath Basin Crisis. It has been a seething cauldron over property and water rights for a while now. It's starting to effect the average man now though.
Now is a good time to "HERMITIZE", become a non person. Every day more slicks from the cities are moving in here with us rubes. Building houses in unseen out of the way places that one could not give away ten years ago. Driving around the back country roads, miles from nowhere, one sees mostly older slicks, with a few young ones, packing it in and trying to...HERMITIZE...
Effect them via...fear...not just anger. Anger vents itself, fear puts ones back against the wall, fight or flight.
Exactly. I see this as a good thing.
Stock up, load up, coil up.
One of our latest "HERMITS" is an airline Captain, kids gone, bought acreage here in hills, double wide, half mile from road. He knows one thing, all the local rubes own "squirrel guns" and know how to use them.
You and my dad should get together. Turtle's dad: "What? What? I'm half deaf. I can't hear a thing you're saying. Speak up, dammit! How's your prostate? They zapped mine with radiation. I got diabetes, too, and they gave me some drugs that made me lose 50 pounds, Had to buy new pants, dammit. Got macular degeneration, too, and the bastards stuck hypodermic needles in my eyes. Can't barely drive at night, and almost drove over my own son. Not that he wouldn't deserve it, always making fun of me."
I am NOT half that bad.
Yes, we feel it here, too. BLOAT is the order of the day.
One olde time hill billy told me if his house catches fire, he and the wife will run and call the fire dept in half an hour after it blows.
May jewish lightning strike them soon, if that's what they wish. Be like Larry and keep up the insurance payments, though.
When the revolution starts, all insurance bets are null and void. They get to keep the money.
The hills around me resemble an armed camp. I could find a goose that lays golden eggs quicker than a case of .223.
The hill billies here perhaps dont read and write to well but the average olde time residents could produce at least ten rifles and shotguns, with two or three handguns. My son has three beeg ones.
call the fire department in half na hour after it blows LMFAO!! insurance will be null and void after the rev starts true..some silly exclusions like "war insurrection acts of god revolution" to hedge the jew bets
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Thanks... I remember nothing but countless wars with misery and turmoil in between. Man will NOT ever live in peace.
My son has three beeg ones. As long as they have the food to feed'em, well done.
The local volunteer fire departments are of course all hill billies. They all know who "has" materials to be careful of in case of fires.
Precisely, and exactly, what I wrote to my best friend, and business partner this morning.
Turtle is going to help his dad along with a pillow pretty soon to get his inheritannce early. Say....now where exactly did you hide all those '64 Kennedy half-dollars?
That's good. Chances are you all were peace officers, if you're retired now. Not that there werent punks with badges back then, but I bet the proportion was much lower than it is now. Now if you could only tell me how to recognize that 15-20%... I personally dont believe there are nearly that many "good" ones out there. MAybe detectives that deal exclusively with crimes against people like murder and rape. Maybe not even them.
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That's a shame, isn't it? It's all we ever wanted. They just wont leave us alone.
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If they have any visible hair at all on their head... or more especially, gray hair...
Which leads me to the third fear, that there is a revolution coming, yes, a revolution on the scale of the original American Revolution.
#2. To: Jethro Tull, Artisan (#0)
(Edited)
Written By; Scott Wagner is a Police Academy Commander and Professor at Columbus State Community College in Columbus Ohio, and Commander of the 727 Counter Terror Training Unit. A 29 year law enforcement veteran, and current Deputy Sheriff, he is the Precision Marksman for the Union County Sheriff’s Office SRT Team.
#3. To: PSUSA (#2)
#4. To: Cynicom, PSUSA, all (#1)
#5. To: Jethro Tull (#4)
#6. To: Cynicom (#5)
#7. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
What is odd about this new fear is that it is not coming from the average citizen gun owner out there, but it is coming from what to me is an almost shocking source: street cops.
"The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
--George Washington, General Orders, August 23, 1776
#8. To: Cynicom, Jethro Tul, randge, Turtle, lodwick (#1)
In my nearly 80 years, I have heard little about revolution until the Reign of Bush the Younger....
"The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
--George Washington, General Orders, August 23, 1776
#9. To: Jethro Tull (#6)
#10. To: farmfriend, Jethro tull (#8)
It's starting to effect the average man now though.
#11. To: Cynicom (#10)
Anger vents itself, fear puts ones back against the wall, fight or flight.
"The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
--George Washington, General Orders, August 23, 1776
#12. To: Cynicom (#9)
HERMITIZE
#13. To: Jethro Tull (#12)
#14. To: Cynicom (#1)
(Edited)
In my nearly 80 years
There's no place better thanTurtle Island.
#15. To: Turtle (#14)
#16. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
#17. To: lodwick (#16)
(Edited)
#18. To: Cynicom (#17)
#19. To: lodwick (#18)
#20. To: Cynicom (#13)
#21. To: Jethro Tull, Cynicom, all (#20)
We didn't start the fire - enjoy -
#22. To: Jethro Tull (#20)
#23. To: lodwick, cynicom (#18)
#24. To: lodwick (#21)
#25. To: Cynicom (#22)
The hill billies here perhaps dont read and write to well but the average olde time residents could produce at least ten rifles and shotguns, with two or three handguns.
#26. To: IndieTX (#23)
#27. To: Cynicom, all (#24)
Man will NOT ever live in peace.
#28. To: Cynicom (#15)
I am NOT half that bad.
There's no place better thanTurtle Island.
#29. To: Jethro Tull (#4)
Speaking for the retired, gray haired coppers, my small clique feels like he does.
#30. To: Cynicom (#24)
Man will NOT ever live in peace.
#31. To: PSUSA (#29)
Now if you could only tell me how to recognize that 15-20%...
This guy may be prowling 4um: |
Used Tires Amityville, Babylon, Lindenhurst
#32. To: PSUSA (#29)
I'd say this guy who signed off with his name and position is keenly aware of the socialism we're all swimming in. As for others, see Jack McLamb for a start.
#33. To: Cynicom (#26)
Sounds like my grand dads former farm. One of the better "informal" distilleries in the state of Montana. ;-)
The local volunteer fire departments are of course all hill billies. They all know who "has" materials to be careful of in case of fires.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
#34. To: Cynicom. Pissed-off Americans here (#1)
I hope the damned politicians hiding within the beltway can hear and feel it. Amen.
Obumski is greased into the Whore House and the talk of revolution becomes a daily drumbeat.
#35. To: All (#34)
With all the various polls and surveys out there, does anyone do a Revolution Poll?
#36. To: lodwick (#35)
it would never be reported by MSM.
does anyone do a Revolution Poll?
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
#37. To: christine. all (#36)
4 is my msm, bump
#38. To: lodwick, Christine (#35)
Lod... Excellent idea. How on earth do we go about it? Take out one of those poll things on Drudge??????? I got loot for such a poll.
#39. To: Cynicom. pollsters here (#38)
I remember AJ talking about a Zogby poll that he paid 5K, I believe, to have done. And as he pointed out, the key is to be sure that the questions are not allowed to decide the outcome - which is tougher than one might think. Surely, the members here could devise a ten or twelve question poll, can't we? I'd be in on the funding also.
#40. To: All (#39)
searching for revolution poll yielded some interesting results.
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