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Title: Obama discusses deathbed measures
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LA Times
URL Source: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw ... th25-2009jun25,0,1978875.story
Published: Jul 4, 2009
Author: Peter Nicholas
Post Date: 2009-07-04 21:25:38 by bush_is_a_moonie
Keywords: None
Views: 482
Comments: 31
Reporting from Washington -- President Obama suggested at a town hall event Wednesday night that one way to shave medical costs is to stop expensive and ultimately futile procedures performed on people who are about to die and don't stand to gain from the extra care. In a nationally televised event at the White House, Obama said families need better information so they don't unthinkingly approve "additional tests or additional drugs that the evidence shows is not necessarily going to improve care." He added: "Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller." Obama said he has personal familiarity with such a dilemma. His grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, was diagnosed with terminal cancer and given less than nine months to live, he said. She fell and broke her hip, "and the question was, does she get hip replacement surgery, even though she was fragile enough they were not sure how long she would last?" Obama's grandmother died two days before he was elected president in November. It was unclear whether she underwent the hip-replacement surgery. The event, hosted by ABC News' Charles Gibson and Diane Sawyer, gave Obama a prime-time forum to promote his healthcare overhaul. A total of 164 guests were invited. ABC pre-screened questions, though the White House was not made aware of what they would be. Republicans described the event as an "infomercial," faulting ABC for giving the president such valuable TV time in the midst of a high-stakes partisan policy discussion. The audience -- which included doctors, patients, health insurers, students and people with ailing relatives -- clearly was unhappy with the current healthcare system. Gibson asked for a show of hands to see how many wanted to leave the system unchanged. No one raised a hand.
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#1. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#0)
Euthanasia here we come. Cough, and die, mullets.
Yep, the sumbitch is movin' fast.
I can see his point. Sadly we have come down to those choices. I sure don't want the law or insurance company making the decision that families and patients should be making. That's where we are headed though. Just like with everything else in our lives. Heaven help us. Edit: remember the stink that was raised down in LA or some place where an organ transplant was denied a kid who had other issues and wasn't going to live. I'd have to look up the story to get it totally correct.
The above statement is not quite correct. The author should have stated that situation pertained to...the masses...not the elite that would be given all desired care because they could afford it.
exactly.
Yes, in general our system is screwed, but buckwheat care would be so much worse I cannot tell you. Many doctors are dropping out of 'the system,' and accept patients for a hundred bucks, or so, per month; and when they need some sort of medical attention, they pay nothing else. Except if it requires a hospital visit, or some extraordinary procedure. The paperwork and record keeping/billing costs are off the charts with our current system.
There was a squib in the news this week about private health care in Canada booming.
~ what a POS (imooc) ~ lil bully in the ME? keeps getting the bucks - military industrial complex? keeps getting the bucks - all them croonies in congress still get the best care and don't pay into SS and get the bucks for life - Americans? what do we get? "Hey tough up bud, you're helping yer cuntry." ~ with an 'audience of best buds due to make even more big bucks from his 'changes' cheering him on ~
Locally we have no doctors in private practice. All of them are forced into clinics, big business, money making types. Ten minute exam is too long, in and out and bill someone.
It just crossed my mind that if 4 could be congress, scotus, and potus for a very few weeks, we could sort out, and make right so much legislative, et al, b.s. What a great group of friends.
We would need a hemp party.
Of course. And speaking of which, does anyone know how Barney and RP's hemp bill is faring in the halls of the weak-minded and bought-off?
Nope.
Global 2000 Report written by Secretary of State Cyrus Vance for the Club of Rome calls for the reduction of America's population by 100 million before 2050.
You mean up there in Canada where they have the perfect government health care? Say it ain't so!
Of course that is for the very wealthy, invitation only. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/30/canada-sees-boom-private-health-care-business/?test=latestnews
I'll be there by sure. 2050, are you shitting me? No way will I ever make 94.
Stop your sinning, whiskey and wild wild women, you just might. But then, what would you do to occupy your time?
Families most likely will always opt to extend life as long as possible. A better option would be to require everyone to specify in a personal directive the circumstances under which the individual would no longer want to be on life support. Those that opt to have life prolonged under circumstances considered hopeless by a medical panel should be required to pay a portion of the medical costs from their estate. Then again, if we stopped the craziness in fighting Israel's wars and abandoned military bases abroad we'd have more than enough money for the best medical care in the world for all who need it, even those that don't, just for practice and to keep busy.
Exactly. Why bother? I'll just try to do the best that I can for as long as I can, and then turn out the lights. The party's over.
Amen, and thank you!
Mostly because every system has its own paperwork requirements; there is no standardization in the industry. Many medical offices have more people to deal with the insurance companies and their insane coding requirements than they do practitioners who see patients.
Old money only.
Yep. When we get spam mail telling us to make 5-35K/month doing medical billing, that should be a real hint as to how broken the current system is.
But then, what would you do to occupy your time? Loddi spent most of his money on whisky, gambeling and wild women. The rest he just wasted.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" bingo
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
The smooth criminal transition from Bush/Cheney to Obama
Barnes and Noble has many books describing how to do just that as well.
The nazi finally comes out of the closet.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
Wizzed his misspent youth right down the drain?????? What gets me however is that loddy is now entering geezer age and STILL entertains such thoughts. Maybe we need to send him away to camp for awhile.
#2. To: lodwick (#1)
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#3. To: bush_is_a_moonie, lodwick (#0)
(Edited)
She fell and broke her hip, "and the question was, does she get hip replacement surgery, even though she was fragile enough they were not sure how long she would last?"
"The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
--George Washington, General Orders, August 23, 1776
#4. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#0)
one way to shave medical costs is to stop expensive and ultimately futile procedures performed on people who are about to die and don't stand to gain from the extra care.
#5. To: Cynicom (#4)
The author should have stated that situation pertained to...the masses...not the elite that would be given all desired care because they could afford it.
"The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
--George Washington, General Orders, August 23, 1776
#6. To: Esso. all (#2)
#7. To: farmfriend (#5)
#8. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#0)
stop expensive and ultimately futile procedures performed on people who are about to die and don't stand to gain from the extra care.
~ the truth will set ya free, but only after it pisses ya off ~
#9. To: lodwick (#6)
#10. To: All (#6)
#11. To: lodwick (#10)
#12. To: Cynicom (#11)
#13. To: lodwick (#12)
#14. To: All (#0)
(Edited)
#15. To: Cynicom (#7)
There was a squib in the news this week about private health care in Canada booming.
"The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
--George Washington, General Orders, August 23, 1776
#16. To: farmfriend (#15)
(Edited)
Say it ain't so!
#17. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#14)
#18. To: lodwick (#17)
#19. To: farmfriend (#3)
I sure don't want the law or insurance company making the decision that families and patients should be making.
#20. To: Cynicom (#18)
Stop your sinning, whiskey and wild wild women, you just might.
#21. To: Tatarewicz (#19)
Then again, if we stopped the craziness in fighting Israel's wars and abandoned military bases abroad we'd have more than enough money for the best medical care in the world for all who need it, even those that don't, just for practice and to keep busy.
#22. To: lodwick (#6)
The paperwork and record keeping/billing costs are off the charts with our current system.
#23. To: Cynicom (#16)
Of course that is for the very wealthy, invitation only.
"The hour is fast approaching, on which the Honor and Success of this army, and the safety of our bleeding Country depend. Remember officers and Soldiers, that you are Freemen, fighting for the blessings of Liberty - that slavery will be your portion, and that of your posterity, if you do not acquit yourselves like men."
--George Washington, General Orders, August 23, 1776
#24. To: mirage (#22)
Many medical offices have more people to deal with the insurance companies and their insane coding requirements than they do practitioners who see patients.
#25. To: Cynicom, turtle, lodwick (#18)
Stop your sinning, whiskey and wild wild women, you just might.
#26. To: Tatarewicz (#19)
Then again, if we stopped the craziness in fighting Israel's wars and abandoned military bases abroad we'd have more than enough money for the best medical care in the world for all who need it, even those that don't, just for practice and to keep busy.
#27. To: Esso, lodwick (#2)
Yep, the sumbitch is movin' fast.
#28. To: TwentyTwelve (#27)
lol. that's almost as good as this one~
#29. To: lodwick (#24)
When we get spam mail telling us to make 5-35K/month doing medical billing, that should be a real hint as to how broken the current system is.
#30. To: bush_is_a_moonie, ALL (#0)
Obama suggested at a town hall event Wednesday night that one way to shave medical costs is to stop expensive and ultimately futile procedures performed on people who are about to die and don't stand to gain from the extra care.
#31. To: tom007, lodwick (#25)
The rest he just wasted.
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