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Title: Pope calls for a "global authority" on economy
Source: Reuters
URL Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/topN ... Number=1&virtualBrandChannel=0
Published: Jul 8, 2009
Author: Philip Pullella
Post Date: 2009-07-08 02:09:15 by bush_is_a_moonie
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Views: 372
Comments: 12

Pope Benedict called on Tuesday for a "world political authority" to manage the global economy and for more government regulation of national economies to pull the world out of the current crisis and avoid a repeat.

The pope made his call for a re-think of the way the world economy was run in a new encyclical which touched on a number of social issues but whose main connecting thread was how the current crisis has affected both rich and poor nations.

Parts of the encyclical, titled "Charity in Truth," seemed bound to upset free marketers because of its underlying rejection of unbridled capitalism and unregulated market forces, which he said had led to "thoroughly destructive" abuse of the system and "grave deviations and failures."

An encyclical is the highest form of papal writing and gives the clearest indication to the world's 1.1 billion Catholics -- and to non-Catholics -- of what the pope and the Vatican think about specific social and moral issues.

The pope said every economic decision had a moral consequence and called for "forms of redistribution" of wealth overseen by governments to help those most affected by crises.

Benedict said "there is an urgent need of a true world political authority" whose task would be "to manage the global economy; to revive economies hit by the crisis; to avoid any deterioration of the present crisis and the greater imbalances that would result."

Such an authority would have to be "regulated by law" and "would need to be universally recognized and to be vested with the effective power to ensure security for all, regard for justice, and respect for rights."

"Obviously it would have to have the authority to ensure compliance with its decisions from all parties, and also with the coordinated measures adopted in various international forums," he said.

The United Nations, economic institutions and international finance all had to be reformed "even in the midst of a global recession," he said in the encyclical, a booklet of 141 pages.

The pope's call for a supranational body to tackle global economic woes disturbed some Catholic capitalists.

"There is a difference between coordination and mandate ... a reckless loan in the United States can and did impoverish people in Latvia. So obviously coordination is important as long as it is not mandates," said Frank Keating, CEO of the American Council of Life Insurers and former Governor of Oklahoma.

LOFTY MESSAGE

The encyclical was addressed to all Catholics and "all people of good will" and was released on the eve of the start of the G8 summit in Italy and three days before the pope is due to discuss the global downturn with U.S. President Barack Obama.

In several sections of the encyclical, Benedict made it clear he had great reservations about a totally free market.

"The conviction that the economy must be autonomous, that it must be shielded from 'influences' of a moral character, has led man to abuse the economic process in a thoroughly destructive way," he said.

"In the long term, these convictions have led to economic, social and political systems that trample upon personal and social freedom and are therefore unable to deliver the justice that they promise," he added.

Profit was useful only if it served as a means to a brighter future for all humanity.

"Once profit becomes the exclusive goal, if it is produced by improper means and without the common good as its ultimate end, it risks destroying wealth and creating poverty," he said.

He said the current economic crisis was "clear proof" of "pernicious effects of sin" in the economy.

"Financiers must rediscover the genuinely ethical foundation of their activity ...," he said.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who had rebuked the pope earlier this year at the height of the row over a Holocaust-denying bishop, welcomed the encyclical as important encouragement for world leaders ahead of a G8 meeting in Italy.

"Pope Benedict has encouraged the state leaders to create rules so that this sort of worldwide economic crisis isn't repeated," Merkel told reporters. "I also saw this as an order to work toward a social market economy in the world."

The pope appeared to back government intervention "in correcting errors and malfunctions" in the economy, saying "one could foresee an increase in the new forms of political participation, nationally and internationally."

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#1. To: All (#0)

In this the "Historical" interpretation, the antichrist was clearly not merely a single individual, it was a system of apostasy and persecution that would hold sway for over twelve centuries. The inevitable conclusion of those who studied these prophesies in scripture, before and during the Protestant Reformation, was that there was only one entity that fit all the above characteristics: the papal dynasty of the Roman Catholic Church. Is it any wonder that the Catholic Church was so violently opposed to the scriptures being available for everyone to read for themselves? There was such a stir created during the reformation that the Fifth Lateran Council (1512-17 A.D.) resorted to strictly forbidding anyone to publish a book without prior censorship, and also prohibited anyone from preaching on the subject of antichrist:

SESSION 10, 4 May 1515, On censorship of books:

... "some printers have the boldness to print and sell to the public, in different parts of the world, books — some translated into Latin from Greek, Hebrew, Arabic and Chaldean as well as some issued directly in Latin or a vernacular language — containing errors opposed to the faith as well as pernicious views contrary to the Christian religion and to the reputation of prominent persons of rank. The readers are not edified. Indeed, they lapse into very great errors not only in the realm of faith but also in that of life and morals. This has often given rise to various scandals, as experience has taught, and there is daily the fear that even greater scandals are developing." ...

... "We therefore establish and ordain that henceforth, for all future time, no one may dare to print or have printed any book or other writing of whatever kind in Rome or in any other cities and dioceses, without the book or writings having first been closely examined, at Rome by our vicar and the master of the sacred palace, in other cities and dioceses by the bishop or some other person who knows about the printing of books and writings of this kind and who has been delegated to this office by the bishop in question, and also by the inquisitor of heresy for the city or diocese where the said printing is to take place, and unless the books or writings have been approved by a warrant signed in their own hand, which must be given, under pain of excommunication, freely and without delay." "In addition to the printed books being seized and publicly burnt, payment of a hundred ducats to the fabric of the basilica of the prince of the apostles in Rome, without hope of relief, and suspension for a whole year from the possibility of engaging in printing, there is to be imposed upon anyone presuming to act otherwise the sentence of excommunication." ...

SESSION 11, 19 December 1516, On how to preach:

... "We command all who undertake this task of preaching, or will later undertake it, to preach and expound the gospel truth and holy scripture in accordance with the exposition, interpretation and commentaries that the church or long use has approved and has accepted for teaching until now, and will accept in the future, without any addition contrary to its true meaning or in conflict with it. They are always to insist on the meanings which are in harmony with the words of sacred scripture and with the interpretations, properly and wisely understood, of the doctors mentioned above. They are in no way to presume to preach or declare a fixed time for future evils, the coming of antichrist or the precise day of judgment; for Truth says, it is not for us to know times or seasons which the Father has fixed by his own authority. Let it be known that those who have hitherto dared to declare such things are liars, and that because of them not a little authority has been taken away from those who preach the truth." ...

www.hol.com/~mikesch/antichrist.htm

www.lmn.org/magazine/170/Jesuits.html

dedication.www3.50megs.com/reformation2.html#success2

bush_is_a_moonie  posted on  2009-07-08   2:38:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: bush_is_a_moonie (#0)

I'm getting suspicious about this "Deputy." First he genuflects before Zionist criminals. Now he's calling for more bureaucrats to tax us and meddle in our lives when all he needs to do is to call on all to behave according to the Golden Rule.

However, he's correct in saying that once profit becomes the exclusive goal, if it is produced by improper means and without the common good as its ultimate end, it risks destroying wealth and creating poverty.

Probably the best way to curb the profit craze (which is driven by fund managers) is to start taxing it in order to reimburse those damaged in the process whenever the damage occurs.

Tatarewicz  posted on  2009-07-08   3:44:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Tatarewicz (#2) (Edited)

First he genuflects before Zionist criminals. Now he's calling for more bureaucrats to tax us and meddle in our lives when all he needs to do is to call on all to behave according to the Golden Rule.

And, let us not forget that recently the Pope declared the Templars innocent of the past charges of heresy and blasphemy that conveniently (for the church) sent DeMolay to the stake.

What we are witnessing is the re-alignment of BABYLONIAN AUTHORITY, that has been subdivided into three basic groups for centuries. The Papists, The Illumunists, and the Israeli Terrorists are in actuality BRETHERN. The Trinity of EVIL.

The art of compartmentalization has never been performed with the perfection demonstrated over centuries by the BABYLONIAN MURDERERS.

EDIT: [The King of Babylon is also known as the Vicar of Christ].

Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.

De La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2009-07-08   9:43:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Tatarewicz (#2)

he's correct in saying that once profit becomes the exclusive goal, if it is produced by improper means and without the common good as its ultimate end, it risks destroying wealth and creating poverty

Even the "robber barons" of the 19th Century figured that one out.

How many libraries and Universities and parks has Bill Gates given to the public? Zero? How many did Andrew Carnegie build? Several?

The Pope is welcome to his opinion, but that is all the weight it will carry, even with Catholics, assuming they understand their own religion well enough to know that unless it comes ex-cathedra and in concert with the college of bishops, it is merely his opinion.

"We're looking for [Obama] supporters," said DeHaven of Hoover, one of the event's organizers. "We're not looking for a fight. That will come later, when we have an army."

mirage  posted on  2009-07-08   10:32:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: mirage, noone222, christine (#4)

The Pope is welcome to his opinion, but that is all the weight it will carry, even with Catholics, assuming they understand their own religion well enough to know that unless it comes ex-cathedra and in concert with the college of bishops, it is merely his opinion

good point. also for anyone interested here is the url of the actual encyclical, which i have not read yet.

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben- xvi_enc_20090629_caritas-in-veritate_en.html

An excerpt from the original article (http://www.edmontonjournal.com/business/fp/Pope+calls+world+political+authority /1767302/story.html ) stated

”The conviction that the economy must be autonomous, that it must be shielded from ‘influences’ of a moral character, has led man to abuse the economic process in a thoroughly destructive way,” he said. “In the long term, these convictions have led to economic, social and political systems that trample upon personal and social freedom, and are therefore unable to deliver the justice that they promise,”

—————————– As a Catholic, two comments. Number one, The belief that a free market system is shielded from moral influences is incorrect. Number two, the greatest ‘trampling on personal freedoms’ HAS BEEN government intervention itself. Perhaps the Pope’s admission that he uses kissinger as an ‘advisor’ should be more heartily addressed and confronted. I intend to write an article on this topic and ask the church for an answer as to why the church would request the adivse of an evil eugenicist such as kissinger. Meanwhile, while reserving judgement at this time, I will say if this Pope or any Catholic clergy is pro ‘new world order’, let us remember the words of St. John Chrysostom who said, “The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops!”

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
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Artisan  posted on  2009-07-08   19:00:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Artisan (#5)

Since this is neither an issue of faith or morals ... well, we know how that goes.

Its so sad that most people do not understand Catholicism, particularly its detractors.

"We're looking for [Obama] supporters," said DeHaven of Hoover, one of the event's organizers. "We're not looking for a fight. That will come later, when we have an army."

mirage  posted on  2009-07-08   23:45:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: mirage, christine, twentytwelve, orignal_intent, psusa, jethro tull, freepatriot32, wudidiz, randge (#6)

Since this is neither an issue of faith or morals ... well, we know how that goes.

Its so sad that most people do not understand Catholicism, particularly its detractors

i have read over the encyclical, not the entire thing, but i spent about an hour reading it, various sections. i cross referenced what was printed in the media account of what is in the encyclical with the phrases that were actually used, in their correct context. so far, from my view, the media has spun it in several ways. and this is not said to be a defense of Pope Benedict or his positions, i am just analyzing what he actually said vs what the media reported in their sound bytes.

the main example,:

Called "Charity in Truth," parts of the encyclical appeared bound to upset conservatives because of its underlying rejection of unbridled capitalism and unregulated market forces, which he said had led to "thoroughly destructive" abuse of the system.

and below, is the actual quote in its context,. the Pope was saying that the effects of original sin, not the FREE MARKET, led to 'thoroughly destructive' behaviors. he also the covers importance of MAINTAINING state autonomy, but later calls for a UN world governing body.

The Church's wisdom has always pointed to the presence of original sin in social conditions and in the structure of society: “Ignorance of the fact that man has a wounded nature inclined to evil gives rise to serious errors in the areas of education, politics, social action and morals”[85]. In the list of areas where the pernicious effects of sin are evident, the economy has been included for some time now. We have a clear proof of this at the present time. The conviction that man is self-sufficient and can successfully eliminate the evil present in history by his own action alone has led him to confuse happiness and salvation with immanent forms of material prosperity and social action. Then, the conviction that the economy must be autonomous, that it must be shielded from “influences” of a moral character, has led man to abuse the economic process in a thoroughly destructive way. In the long term, these convictions have led to economic, social and political systems that trample upon personal and social freedom, and are therefore unable to deliver the justice that they promise. As I said in my Encyclical Letter Spe Salvi, history is thereby deprived of Christian hope[86], deprived of a powerful social resource at the service of integral human development, sought in freedom and in justice. Hope encourages reason and gives it the strength to direct the will[87].

The writer, maybe even subliminally, assumes that an economy "lacking moral character" is such BECAUSE it is largely unregulated by the state. whereas we all know that state regulation does not enforce any morality but rather actually undermines it. media article: http://www.edmontonjournal.com/business/fp/Pope+calls+world+political+authority/ 1767302/story.html

encyclical: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben- xvi_enc_20090629_caritas-in-veritate_en.html

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-07-09   17:39:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: mirage, Artisan (#6)

Since this is neither an issue of faith or morals ... well, we know how that goes.

Its so sad that most people do not understand Catholicism, particularly its detractors.

Some have left organized religion in the same way they left the political parties and philosophies, and no longer participate in that process.

Rep vs Dem, catholic vs protestant, baptist tea sippers vs lutheran drunkards vs catholic gamblers, etc. IMO it is all counterproductive at best and deadly dangerous (christian zionists) at worst.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-07-09   18:02:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Artisan (#5)

Perhaps the Pope’s admission that he uses kissinger as an ‘advisor’ should be more heartily addressed and confronted. I intend to write an article on this topic and ask the church for an answer as to why the church would request the adivse of an evil eugenicist such as kissinger.

Why would he accept advice from a war criminal that has to stay out of a few countries to avoid arrest?

I'd be interested in reading any answer you get. I just hope you get an answer.

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PSUSA  posted on  2009-07-09   18:05:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: PSUSA (#9) (Edited)

thats a damn good question and i highly doubt that i will get an answer. however, i can rile things up and demand an answer, in the public sphere, which will embarass them, and admonish them, which actually, we are called to do. too many people blindly follow and adhere to authority even when it is WRONG. because the church has very clear teachings on the value of life, and then at the same time publicly announces a partnership / adivice seeking from this SICK F? what the hell man. it is very extremely sick and deserves to be aggressively outed.

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-07-09   18:29:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: All, psusa (#10)

them, and admonish them, which actually, we are called to do

this is what i mean by that. this is a partial list of quotes i compiled over some time years ago, when i was protesting the sick pederast fag satanist priests who rape innocent catholic kids. and yes i called them satanists bvecause who the hell else would do something like that other than a demon possessed POS?????? its very simple and elementary actually. i was taught that there are only two sources of inspiration. GOD or SATAN. this is an easy one, isnt it?

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I believe in the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church Sayings to be known and remembered from the Fathers and Doctors of the Church:

"The truth has set bounds. But evil and falsehood multiplies without end; and the more these (evils) are pursued, the more errors they produce." St. Jerome

"He who can correct any evil, and neglects to do it, makes himself accessory to the same." St. Gregory

"We seek no conquest over our adversaries; but only that truth may overcome falsehood." St. Jerome

"It is better that scandal arise than that truth be concealed." St. Gregory the Great

"Not to oppose error is to approve of it, and not to defend truth is to suppress it, and, indeed, to neglect to confound evil men, when we can do it, is not less a sin than to encourage them." Pope Felix III

"He that sees another in error, and endeavors not to correct it, testifies himself to be in error." Pope St. Leo I

"The power of evil men lives on the cowardice of the good." St. John Bosco

"It is a great gain when error and false teachers are exposed, for then, they cease to deceive the simple." Cardinal John Henry Newman

"Medicinal rebuke must be applied to all who sin, lest that they should either themselves perish, or be the ruin of others... Let no one, therefore, say that a man must not be rebuked when he deviates from the right way, but that his return and perseverance must only be asked for from the Lord for him... Severe rebuke should be medicinally applied to all by us that they perish not themselves, or that they may not be the means of destroying others." St. Augustine

"Rebuke those who are unruly, comfort the feeble-minded; support the weak; be patient to all men." 1 Thessalonians 5:14

"When they sin, rebuke them in the presence of all that the rest also may have fear." St. Paul (1 Timothy 5:20)

"If the faith is in imminent peril, prelates ought to be accused by their subjects, even in public." St. Thomas Aquinas

"As it is lawful to resist a Pontiff who attacks the body, it is likewise lawful to resist one who attacks the soul and especially one who would destroy the Church... by not obeying his orders and by impeding the execution of his will." St. Robert Bellarmine

"Who is going to save the church? Not the bishops, not the priest and religious. It is up to you the people. You have the minds, the eyes, the ears to save Her." Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-07-09   18:34:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: PSUSA (#8)

Some have left organized religion in the same way they left the political parties and philosophies, and no longer participate in that process.

Some have left indeed, but still keep track of things because said organizations do have an effect on the world.

"We're looking for [Obama] supporters," said DeHaven of Hoover, one of the event's organizers. "We're not looking for a fight. That will come later, when we have an army."

mirage  posted on  2009-07-10   22:53:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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