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Title: Gore: U.S. Climate Bill Will Help Bring About 'Global Governance'
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URL Source: http://www.climatedepot.com/a/1893/ ... -Bring-About-Global-Governance
Published: Jul 11, 2009
Author: Marc Morano
Post Date: 2009-07-11 09:29:02 by christine
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Former Vice President Al Gore declared that the Congressional climate bill will help bring about “global governance.” “I bring you good news from the U.S., “Gore said on July 7, 2009 in Oxford at the Smith School World Forum on Enterprise and the Environment, sponsored by UK Times. “Just two weeks ago, the House of Representatives passed the Waxman-Markey climate bill,” Gore said, noting it was “very much a step in the right direction.” President Obama has pushed for the passage of the bill in the Senate and attended a G8 summit this week where he agreed to attempt to keep the Earth's temperatures from rising more than 2 degrees C. Gore touted the Congressional climate bill, claiming it “will dramatically increase the prospects for success” in combating what he sees as the “crisis” of man-made global warming. “But it is the awareness itself that will drive the change and one of the ways it will drive the change is through global governance and global agreements.” (Editor's Note: Gore makes the “global governance” comment at the 1min. 10 sec. mark in this UK Times video.) Gore's call for “global governance” echoes former French President Jacques Chirac's call in 2000. On November 20, 2000, then French President Chirac said during a speech at The Hague that the UN's Kyoto Protocol represented "the first component of an authentic global governance." “For the first time, humanity is instituting a genuine instrument of global governance,” Chirac explained. “From the very earliest age, we should make environmental awareness a major theme of education and a major theme of political debate, until respect for the environment comes to be as fundamental as safeguarding our rights and freedoms. By acting together, by building this unprecedented instrument, the first component of an authentic global governance, we are working for dialogue and peace,” Chirac added. Former EU Environment Minister Margot Wallstrom said, "Kyoto is about the economy, about leveling the playing field for big businesses worldwide." Canadian Prime Minster Stephen Harper once dismissed UN's Kyoto Protocol as a “socialist scheme.” 'Global Carbon Tax' Urged at UN Meeting In addition, calls for a global carbon tax have been urged at recent UN global warming conferences. In December 2007, the UN climate conference in Bali, urged the adoption of a global carbon tax that would represent “a global burden sharing system, fair, with solidarity, and legally binding to all nations.” “Finally someone will pay for these [climate related] costs,” Othmar Schwank, a global tax advocate, said at the 2007 UN conference after a panel titled “A Global CO2 Tax.” Schwank noted that wealthy nations like the U.S. would bear the biggest burden based on the “polluters pay principle.” The U.S. and other wealthy nations need to “contribute significantly more to this global fund,” Schwank explained. He also added, “It is very essential to tax coal.” The 2007 UN conference was presented with a report from the Swiss Federal Office for the Environment titled “Global Solidarity in Financing Adaptation.” The report stated there was an “urgent need” for a global tax in order for “damages [from climate change] to be kept from growing to truly catastrophic levels, especially in vulnerable countries of the developing world.” The tens of billions of dollars per year generated by a global tax would “flow into a global Multilateral Adaptation Fund” to help nations cope with global warming, according to the report. Schwank said a global carbon dioxide tax is an idea long overdue that is urgently needed to establish “a funding scheme which generates the resources required to address the dimension of challenge with regard to climate change costs.” 'Redistribution of wealth' The environmental group Friends of the Earth advocated the transfer of money from rich to poor nations during the 2007 UN climate conference. "A climate change response must have at its heart a redistribution of wealth and resources,” said Emma Brindal, a climate justice campaigner coordinator for Friends of the Earth.
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#64. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#40)
Yeah, we know. Especially on the weekends when you get your tank topped off, eh buck?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Go to the populated areas of china, go to saudi arabia, and tell me that water is ample, we have an endless supply of oil, and that we live on a big planet. You are totally incorrect. We are stripping our resources at an amazing rate. Reproducing at an alarming rate. You bring fear.
"This is suspicious at best. Sounds like a bunch of nutty conspiracy theorists, or, as others have pointed out, a government program to find nutty conspiracy theorists who could be dangerous."
I know how you love to rag on me. It actually reminds of a guy on another forum who was jealous that I would flirt with everyone but him. Anyway, if you will take the time to notice, grace and I were the only ones actually having a scientific discussion on CO2 which is very much in keeping with the topic at hand. The discussion is not done so you are welcome to take part if you wish.
Go to the populated areas of china, go to saudi arabia, and tell me that water is ample, we have an endless supply of oil, and that we live on a big planet. I don't have to leave my seat to tell you there's an endless supply of oil. Yes, China is densely populated. Are they starving? Yes, Saudi Arabia is dry. Are they dying of thirst? You are totally incorrect. We are stripping our resources at an amazing rate. Which resources are we stripping? Reproducing at an alarming rate. I'm alarmed You bring fear. You're projecting.
Where does this endless supply of oil come from? Is there dinosaurs stomping at the center of the earth? What a load of bs. Do you know what the carbon cycle is? The plastic in the oceans and the stuff floating in the air takes time to fall and go back underneath the soil, to reconstitute oil. So, you are incorrect, since it there actually is not enough oil at current consumption on the planet for everyone. And yes, millions of people in china are starving. If you cannot keep feeding your people (with minearl poor soils) why are you reproducing? To show your love for hubris? Cut thyne own head off!LOL! Saudi arabia used to be a jungle... Now they dump sea water into some of the tapped out wells to raise the oil. That you say is going to fill up because of some magical organization of space and matter. yeah. right.
"This is suspicious at best. Sounds like a bunch of nutty conspiracy theorists, or, as others have pointed out, a government program to find nutty conspiracy theorists who could be dangerous."
I never said Chinese people weren't starving. If they're starving, they should be fed. Food. Can be grown in the ground or otherwise. Why aren't they being fed? What's the rate of population increase in China? Dinosaurs don't make oil. Overpopulation is a hoax like Global Warming and Oil being scarce. To show your love for hubris? Cut thyne own head off!LOL! Charming Ya spelt thine wrong.
Dinosaurs don't make oil. Overpopulation is a hoax like Global Warming and Oil being scarce. Yeah, there isn't enough resources to continue to feed more growing populations, and you say "why aren't they being fed"? Are you kidding me? How do you come to your conclusions ? Did you come to your own conclusions, or just agree with them by fiat?
"This is suspicious at best. Sounds like a bunch of nutty conspiracy theorists, or, as others have pointed out, a government program to find nutty conspiracy theorists who could be dangerous."
I'll ask you again. Why aren't they being fed? See if you can answer it this time.
Anyway, if you will take the time to notice, grace and I were the only ones actually having a scientific discussion on CO2 which is very much in keeping with the topic at hand. The discussion is not done so you are welcome to take part if you wish. I am not in the least bit jealous of you. If I want to flirt with someone, however, I do it in real time/real life. I like womens. I like women flesh. Ain't no shame in my game. I know how you like to attack people. You are a women. It is not hard to figure you out. That doesn't distract from the fact that you don't know "scientific" (if it flew up and s**t on you) besides consensus agreement, which is just as flawed as your opposition. You are controlled. Both sides of the equation. It shows.
"This is suspicious at best. Sounds like a bunch of nutty conspiracy theorists, or, as others have pointed out, a government program to find nutty conspiracy theorists who could be dangerous."
Poverty. Poverty by people reproducing with no control. 1 tenth of the population (and I bet it is higher since the recession and tibet and other parts fell...) 30 million people are starving in China Epoch Times 11/13/2003 Related Articles • BEIJING - Thirty million people in China are starving because they do not get sufficient food each day. Wang Yuzhao, President of the China Foundation for Poverty Alleviation, revealed this fact at the opening of the Third Annual China Village Head Forum in Kunming on November 10th. According to Wang, many families who have secured sufficient food supplies are in danger of slipping back into malnutrition due to illness or natural disasters. Judging by the World Bank standard income of US$1 a day, there are 100 million Chinese people living in poverty. "This is suspicious at best. Sounds like a bunch of nutty conspiracy theorists, or, as others have pointed out, a government program to find nutty conspiracy theorists who could be dangerous."
I'll bet it's a distribution problem. Perhaps there's not enough food. You know, supply and demand and all that. Maybe something to do with the government. Believe what you want. It's your life
Correction. There is not enough "nutrition" containing foods. Most of the topsoils in the country were killed off or have washed out since the 70s. The reason is using abiotic dinogoo as a source of energy and fertilizer. Simple. That is why the growing population of the earth is starving. And you cannot grow if you are starving. That is just cancer growing. Believe what you have heard from others without question and regurgitate it. Your life doesn't affect everyone else on this interrelated and getting smaller by the day planet.
"This is suspicious at best. Sounds like a bunch of nutty conspiracy theorists, or, as others have pointed out, a government program to find nutty conspiracy theorists who could be dangerous."
I don't attack anyone. Even your claims of attacking you were false. LOL that is too funny.
-Yawn- It ain't what you know that is the problem, it is what you think you know that is the problem.
"This is suspicious at best. Sounds like a bunch of nutty conspiracy theorists, or, as others have pointed out, a government program to find nutty conspiracy theorists who could be dangerous."
Now you are just projecting.
You wish I was a projector. Such is life.
"This is suspicious at best. Sounds like a bunch of nutty conspiracy theorists, or, as others have pointed out, a government program to find nutty conspiracy theorists who could be dangerous."
And that is a good thing? Gore must think so. What does Gore get out of this?
God is always good!
Gore is a demonrat just like obongo.
"This is suspicious at best. Sounds like a bunch of nutty conspiracy theorists, or, as others have pointed out, a government program to find nutty conspiracy theorists who could be dangerous."
Under whose rule shall ensure the unsustainable characteristics you side with? Al Gore begging for Global governance policies with blue hemeted troops by the UN policing your ass at the local 7-11?
That's why I love your posts. You are about objective discussion and bearing and considerate thinking even though we may have diametrical points of view. And we may never agree. Farmfriend, you know how to carry debate. Wudidiz can't carry a tune for discussion; he is too busy chewing gum and tying his own tennis shoe laces from time to time as he attempts to run around the playground with his pants falling down. As for Clitora (this thread only) very good perspectives. How long have you been researching your personal opinions on unsustainable capabilities?
Regardless of what you say about me, you're still posting garbage. Junk science. You'd be contributing more if you posted music videos. I may not ramble on or spam the board with as much crap as you do, but my thinking is clearer and less flawed than yours.
Under whose rule shall ensure the unsustainable characteristics you side with? Al Gore begging for Global governance policies with blue hemeted troops by the UN policing your ass at the local 7-11? I'm just being realistic and honest. You have sided with the evil ones advocating depopulation and eugenics. There's no honor in jumping on the Global Warming bandwagon just because you think can back up your silly argument with thousands of bought and paid for 'Scientific' reports and studies. Get real.
Chemtrails. The earth is round. Or a sphere or whatever. It's not flat anyway. Even if someone says your crazy or stupid for saying it's not flat. Chemtrails. Give your head a shake.
Thank you. Agreement with me is not required for my friendship.
ROTFL.
I wasn't agreeing with you. I was just saying I have respect for your opinions even though I may thoroughly disagree and take issue with your points.
Back on topic, you might enjoy reading the information on my friend Ferdinand's web site. It is quite informative. Ferdinand is quite convinced that the increase in CO2 is anthropogenic, I have no reason to disagree with that, but does not agree that this is what caused the recent warming. I can also send you work done by my friend Timo Niroma, he is a Finnish climatologist who has been studying climate in relation to sun activity. His reports are very interesting even if his English isn't perfect.
I know you weren't agreeing with me. My point was that it is not a problem, not required for friendship.
I wasn't rubbing your back or attempting to coddle you or show some method to garner any special relationship, either.
"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009
Damn, I could use some good coddling.
Well, I can't do it; not because I don't like you it's because the effort requires touchy-feelie. But what do you think of my new by-line?
"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009
Thank you, pass it on. For America to get back on track about the nation is to diminish personal energy consumption and forget this crazy idea of unsustainable growth rates which has destroyed America's quality of life.~ grace_is_by_our_lord The psychotic control freaks love your sort of thinking. Good to know who's side you're on. Oh yeah, don't exhale. That's deadly carbon dioxide coming out of your mouth.
I think that is not something I'm going to discuss.
Just realize, I want no government interference in my life. And in order to do that, we need to control ourselves, own culture, families and friends by exercising moderate methods of responsible behavior about our birthrights with respect and an educated perspective based upon fact not just hearsay. Otherwise you are begging for BIG_GOVERNMENT to be in your hip pocket.
"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009
You'd show some humility by re-examining your argument from the beginning. I appreciate your new by-line.
Hmmm, there go the climate models.
Sorry. That isn't possible. And how far did you throw Malthus today besides a pretty statement that supports an opinion based on a world population 20% of what it is today?
"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009
Nothing wrong with computer simulation models based upon relevant data, is there? The goal is to project methods of accurate forecasts; that is to say, to learn about the world around us synthesizing (wherein possible) ways to enhance our own quality of life.
"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009
Sorry. That isn't possible. Why am I not surprised? And how far did you throw Malthus today besides a pretty statement that supports an opinion based on a world population 20% of what it is today? Can you put this question in more understandable language for me please?
Sure. When was Malthus alive and kicking? Oh just about 200 years ago. He had no idea that the world would mushroom to the HUGE population base it is today. A great guy for his time when the world was under 1Bn, when concepts like "productivity" ultimately lead to the industrial revolution. Today, the world is in crisis with unsustainable growth. Look around you as you beg government to intervene on your own behalf to feed the world.
"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009
Which quote are you attributing to Malthus?
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#65. To: wudidiz (#62)
This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more.
#66. To: Clitora, wudidiz, grace_is_by_our_lord (#58)
Call farmfriend in here. She and grace can offtopic the thread into oblivion!
… in the past CO2 (or water) was pumped, at some cost, into depleting oil and gas fields to get out more. This will continue, but the taxpayer will contribute to these costs as the oil companies will be paid for taking the unwanted stuff off governments emission balance sheets! No wonder the oil companies are keen on CCS…
#67. To: Clitora (#65)
"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain
#68. To: wudidiz (#67)
I don't have to leave my seat to tell you there's an endless supply of oil. Yes, China is densely populated. Are they starving? Yes, Saudi Arabia is dry. Are they dying of thirst?
#69. To: Clitora (#68)
"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain
#70. To: wudidiz (#69)
I never said Chinese people weren't starving. If they're starving, they should be fed. Food. Can be grown in the ground or otherwise. Why aren't they being fed? What's the rate of population increase in China?
#71. To: Clitora (#70)
"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain
#72. To: farmfriend (#66)
I know how you love to rag on me. It actually reminds of a guy on another forum who was jealous that I would flirt with everyone but him.
#73. To: wudidiz (#71)
Why aren't they being fed?
#74. To: Clitora (#73)
"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain
#75. To: wudidiz (#74)
Perhaps there's not enough food.
#76. To: Clitora (#72)
I know how you like to attack people.
You are controlled. Both sides of the equation. It shows.
… in the past CO2 (or water) was pumped, at some cost, into depleting oil and gas fields to get out more. This will continue, but the taxpayer will contribute to these costs as the oil companies will be paid for taking the unwanted stuff off governments emission balance sheets! No wonder the oil companies are keen on CCS…
#77. To: farmfriend (#76)
I don't attack anyone. Even your claims of attacking you were false.
#78. To: Clitora (#77)
It ain't what you know that is the problem, it is what you think you know that is the problem.
… in the past CO2 (or water) was pumped, at some cost, into depleting oil and gas fields to get out more. This will continue, but the taxpayer will contribute to these costs as the oil companies will be paid for taking the unwanted stuff off governments emission balance sheets! No wonder the oil companies are keen on CCS…
#79. To: farmfriend (#78)
Now you are just projecting.
#80. To: christine (#0)
Gore: U.S. Climate Bill Will Help Bring About 'Global Governance'
#81. To: RickyJ (#80)
What does Gore get out of this?
#82. To: wudidiz (#62)
This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more.
#83. To: farmfriend, Clitora, wudidiz (#66)
Anyway, if you will take the time to notice, grace and I were the only ones actually having a scientific discussion on CO2 which is very much in keeping with the topic at hand. The discussion is not done so you are welcome to take part if you wish.
#84. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#83)
"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain
#85. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#82)
This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more.
"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain
#86. To: All (#85)
"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain
#87. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#83)
You are about objective discussion and bearing and considerate thinking even though we may have diametrical points of view. And we may never agree. Farmfriend, you know how to carry debate.
… in the past CO2 (or water) was pumped, at some cost, into depleting oil and gas fields to get out more. This will continue, but the taxpayer will contribute to these costs as the oil companies will be paid for taking the unwanted stuff off governments emission balance sheets! No wonder the oil companies are keen on CCS…
#88. To: wudidiz (#85)
This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more. -- wudidiz
#89. To: farmfriend (#87)
#90. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#83)
… in the past CO2 (or water) was pumped, at some cost, into depleting oil and gas fields to get out more. This will continue, but the taxpayer will contribute to these costs as the oil companies will be paid for taking the unwanted stuff off governments emission balance sheets! No wonder the oil companies are keen on CCS…
#91. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#89)
I wasn't agreeing with you. I was just saying I have respect for your opinions even though I may thoroughly disagree and take issue with your points.
… in the past CO2 (or water) was pumped, at some cost, into depleting oil and gas fields to get out more. This will continue, but the taxpayer will contribute to these costs as the oil companies will be paid for taking the unwanted stuff off governments emission balance sheets! No wonder the oil companies are keen on CCS…
#92. To: farmfriend (#91)
#93. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#92)
I wasn't rubbing your back or attempting to coddle you or show some method to garner any special relationship, either.
… in the past CO2 (or water) was pumped, at some cost, into depleting oil and gas fields to get out more. This will continue, but the taxpayer will contribute to these costs as the oil companies will be paid for taking the unwanted stuff off governments emission balance sheets! No wonder the oil companies are keen on CCS…
#94. To: farmfriend (#93)
#95. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#88)
This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more. -- wudidiz
"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain
#96. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#94)
But what do you think of my new by-line?
… in the past CO2 (or water) was pumped, at some cost, into depleting oil and gas fields to get out more. This will continue, but the taxpayer will contribute to these costs as the oil companies will be paid for taking the unwanted stuff off governments emission balance sheets! No wonder the oil companies are keen on CCS…
#97. To: wudidiz (#95)
#98. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#97)
"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain
#99. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#97)
and an educated perspective based upon fact not just hearsay.
… in the past CO2 (or water) was pumped, at some cost, into depleting oil and gas fields to get out more. This will continue, but the taxpayer will contribute to these costs as the oil companies will be paid for taking the unwanted stuff off governments emission balance sheets! No wonder the oil companies are keen on CCS…
#100. To: wudidiz (#98)
You'd show some humility by re-examining your argument from the beginning.
#101. To: farmfriend (#99)
#102. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#100)
"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain
#103. To: wudidiz (#102)
#104. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#103)
"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain
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