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Title: Gore: U.S. Climate Bill Will Help Bring About 'Global Governance'
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URL Source: http://www.climatedepot.com/a/1893/ ... -Bring-About-Global-Governance
Published: Jul 11, 2009
Author: Marc Morano
Post Date: 2009-07-11 09:29:02 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 1575
Comments: 135

Former Vice President Al Gore declared that the Congressional climate bill will help bring about “global governance.”

“I bring you good news from the U.S., “Gore said on July 7, 2009 in Oxford at the Smith School World Forum on Enterprise and the Environment, sponsored by UK Times.

“Just two weeks ago, the House of Representatives passed the Waxman-Markey climate bill,” Gore said, noting it was “very much a step in the right direction.” President Obama has pushed for the passage of the bill in the Senate and attended a G8 summit this week where he agreed to attempt to keep the Earth's temperatures from rising more than 2 degrees C.

Gore touted the Congressional climate bill, claiming it “will dramatically increase the prospects for success” in combating what he sees as the “crisis” of man-made global warming.

“But it is the awareness itself that will drive the change and one of the ways it will drive the change is through global governance and global agreements.” (Editor's Note: Gore makes the “global governance” comment at the 1min. 10 sec. mark in this UK Times video.)

Gore's call for “global governance” echoes former French President Jacques Chirac's call in 2000.

On November 20, 2000, then French President Chirac said during a speech at The Hague that the UN's Kyoto Protocol represented "the first component of an authentic global governance."

“For the first time, humanity is instituting a genuine instrument of global governance,” Chirac explained. “From the very earliest age, we should make environmental awareness a major theme of education and a major theme of political debate, until respect for the environment comes to be as fundamental as safeguarding our rights and freedoms. By acting together, by building this unprecedented instrument, the first component of an authentic global governance, we are working for dialogue and peace,” Chirac added.

Former EU Environment Minister Margot Wallstrom said, "Kyoto is about the economy, about leveling the playing field for big businesses worldwide." Canadian Prime Minster Stephen Harper once dismissed UN's Kyoto Protocol as a “socialist scheme.”

'Global Carbon Tax' Urged at UN Meeting

In addition, calls for a global carbon tax have been urged at recent UN global warming conferences. In December 2007, the UN climate conference in Bali, urged the adoption of a global carbon tax that would represent “a global burden sharing system, fair, with solidarity, and legally binding to all nations.”

“Finally someone will pay for these [climate related] costs,” Othmar Schwank, a global tax advocate, said at the 2007 UN conference after a panel titled “A Global CO2 Tax.”

Schwank noted that wealthy nations like the U.S. would bear the biggest burden based on the “polluters pay principle.” The U.S. and other wealthy nations need to “contribute significantly more to this global fund,” Schwank explained. He also added, “It is very essential to tax coal.”

The 2007 UN conference was presented with a report from the Swiss Federal Office for the Environment titled “Global Solidarity in Financing Adaptation.” The report stated there was an “urgent need” for a global tax in order for “damages [from climate change] to be kept from growing to truly catastrophic levels, especially in vulnerable countries of the developing world.”

The tens of billions of dollars per year generated by a global tax would “flow into a global Multilateral Adaptation Fund” to help nations cope with global warming, according to the report.

Schwank said a global carbon dioxide tax is an idea long overdue that is urgently needed to establish “a funding scheme which generates the resources required to address the dimension of challenge with regard to climate change costs.”

'Redistribution of wealth'

The environmental group Friends of the Earth advocated the transfer of money from rich to poor nations during the 2007 UN climate conference.

"A climate change response must have at its heart a redistribution of wealth and resources,” said Emma Brindal, a climate justice campaigner coordinator for Friends of the Earth.

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#96. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#94)

But what do you think of my new by-line?

I think that is not something I'm going to discuss.


… in the past CO2 (or water) was pumped, at some cost, into depleting oil and gas fields to get out more. This will continue, but the taxpayer will contribute to these costs as the oil companies will be paid for taking the unwanted stuff off governments emission balance sheets! No wonder the oil companies are keen on CCS…

farmfriend  posted on  2009-07-12   3:18:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: wudidiz (#95)

Just realize, I want no government interference in my life. And in order to do that, we need to control ourselves, own culture, families and friends by exercising moderate methods of responsible behavior about our birthrights with respect and an educated perspective based upon fact not just hearsay.

Otherwise you are begging for BIG_GOVERNMENT to be in your hip pocket.

"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-07-12   3:21:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#97)

You'd show some humility by re-examining your argument from the beginning.

Productivity matters more than other statistical measures because it demonstrates we’re doing more with less. That’s why, for example, starvation is a political disaster, not a natural one. There’s literally too much food in the world. There’s also plenty of land left. You could move the entire world population inside medium-sized homes and they’d all fit inside Texas, yielding a population density similar to that of Paris.

Today’s Malthusians still look askance at economic productivity, believing that it’s better to limit growth at a “sustainable” rate, which means consigning billions of poor people to lives that threaten the environment (poor people treat their environments like expendable resources rather than priceless luxuries) and, worse, threaten their own lives. It’s more enlightened than dreaming of a giant gas chamber, to be sure. But that’s got to be small solace for those trapped at the bottom.

I appreciate your new by-line.


"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain

wudidiz  posted on  2009-07-12   3:31:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#97)

and an educated perspective based upon fact not just hearsay.

Hmmm, there go the climate models.


… in the past CO2 (or water) was pumped, at some cost, into depleting oil and gas fields to get out more. This will continue, but the taxpayer will contribute to these costs as the oil companies will be paid for taking the unwanted stuff off governments emission balance sheets! No wonder the oil companies are keen on CCS…

farmfriend  posted on  2009-07-12   3:31:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: wudidiz (#98)

You'd show some humility by re-examining your argument from the beginning.

Sorry. That isn't possible.

And how far did you throw Malthus today besides a pretty statement that supports an opinion based on a world population 20% of what it is today?

"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-07-12   3:36:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: farmfriend (#99)

Nothing wrong with computer simulation models based upon relevant data, is there? The goal is to project methods of accurate forecasts; that is to say, to learn about the world around us synthesizing (wherein possible) ways to enhance our own quality of life.

"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-07-12   3:44:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#100)

Sorry. That isn't possible.

Why am I not surprised?

And how far did you throw Malthus today besides a pretty statement that supports an opinion based on a world population 20% of what it is today?

Can you put this question in more understandable language for me please?


"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain

wudidiz  posted on  2009-07-12   3:45:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: wudidiz (#102)

Sure. When was Malthus alive and kicking? Oh just about 200 years ago. He had no idea that the world would mushroom to the HUGE population base it is today. A great guy for his time when the world was under 1Bn, when concepts like "productivity" ultimately lead to the industrial revolution.

Today, the world is in crisis with unsustainable growth. Look around you as you beg government to intervene on your own behalf to feed the world.

"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-07-12   3:55:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#103)

Which quote are you attributing to Malthus?


"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain

wudidiz  posted on  2009-07-12   4:00:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#101)

Nothing wrong with computer simulation models based upon relevant data, is there?

the problem with using them for climate predictions is they really have no clue what is relevant data and mostly they just guess at it. I've seen I don't know how many discussions with Gavin Schmidt over this very thing. The climate models are not accurate and we should not be basing government policy or even lifestyle changes on them. I would rather go with Piers Corbyn's weather predictions. They are based on real data and much more accurate.

Relevant data I can live with. I get that from Timo.


… in the past CO2 (or water) was pumped, at some cost, into depleting oil and gas fields to get out more. This will continue, but the taxpayer will contribute to these costs as the oil companies will be paid for taking the unwanted stuff off governments emission balance sheets! No wonder the oil companies are keen on CCS…

farmfriend  posted on  2009-07-12   4:00:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: wudidiz (#104)

None. Just your reply a few posts up the thread bringing him up.

"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-07-12   4:03:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#103)

I see you're confused. Which of course is again no surprise.

Your argument coincides with Malthus'.

He wanted sustainable growth.

You know.... eugenics and all that elitist crap.


"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain

wudidiz  posted on  2009-07-12   4:11:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: farmfriend (#105)

The climate models are not accurate and we should not be basing government policy or even lifestyle changes on them.

I agree. And if you are keen (and you are) I have not argued about government policy being based upon anything other than hands off of the economy and energy and food.

Sincerely, if more people ate out of their own backyards growing their own crops and fish, beef and chicken we probably wouldn't see a need for further government control about our lives as Al Gore "professes" with his global governance jargon.

But, then again that doesn't mean much as most people don't have a pot to piss in much less run out of government provided food stamps so as to ensure their meaningless lives as they can't fend for themselves.

"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-07-12   4:11:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#106)

None. Just your reply a few posts up the thread bringing him up.

Did you go to the link?


"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain

wudidiz  posted on  2009-07-12   4:12:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#108)

Productivity matters more than other statistical measures because it demonstrates we’re doing more with less. That’s why, for example, starvation is a political disaster, not a natural one. There’s literally too much food in the world. There’s also plenty of land left. You could move the entire world population inside medium-sized homes and they’d all fit inside Texas, yielding a population density similar to that of Paris. Johah Goldberg ~ Circa 2008


"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain

wudidiz  posted on  2009-07-12   4:16:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: All (#110)

You could move the entire world population inside medium-sized homes and they’d all fit inside Texas, yielding a population density similar to that of Paris.

That's 6.7 Billion people in Texas.

"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009


"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain

wudidiz  posted on  2009-07-12   4:18:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: wudidiz (#107)

He [Malthus] wanted sustainable growth.

Hardly. His ideas influenced that sort of stuff however. But then again, you have climbed on Marx/Engel's 19th century bandwagon claiming that their problems at the time exemplify today's world.

I just love my new by-line. It is so apropos.

"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-07-12   4:20:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#112)

I just love my new by-line. It is so apropos.

It's the most truthful statement you've posted so far.

Except that farmfriend posts well

That's true too.


"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain

wudidiz  posted on  2009-07-12   4:23:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: wudidiz (#110)

Where is all this food? Is it buried somewhere in the California central valley? Or is it perhaps located around the world in sparse amounts wherein Obama just met with the G8 in providing billions of dollars for additional food relief and methods of farming for poor and impoverished nations?

There is no reason why the US government needs to steal from it's own citizens unless there is a clear and recognizable issue that you are blind to.

"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-07-12   4:27:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#114)

Hear read this:

www.geocities.com/RainForest/3046/overpop.htm

Or this: The Overpopulation Lie is Killing Us!

(Part 1)
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"There are now 6 billion people on Earth. The planet's population will most likely continue to climb until 2050, when it will peak at 9 billion; other predictions have the world's population peaking at 7.5 billion in 2040. In either case, it will then go into a sharp decline. The world may soon be facing an under-population crisis -- a prospect that has all but escaped media scrutiny." -- Anthony C. LoBaido (http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=19076)
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"The world is NOT over-populated. More than 97%  of the land surface on Earth is empty.... Yes, certain cities are over-populated, of course. Yet the entire population of the world could fit inside the state of Arkansas. So, then, how is the world 'over-populated'? Europe and Japan will be facing under-population crises in the coming decades, even according to UN studies on population." -- Anthony C. LoBaido (http://w114.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28797)
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Overpopulation? -- 10 Myths
by Dr. Jacqueline R. Kasun, Economist and Author
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It's a day like any other. Your child comes home from school with an assignment. Only today, the assignment is to detail the problems that "overpopulation" is causing the world's ecosystem.
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And part of this assignment is to educate you about the world's population "problem."
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What do you do? Do you go along with what s/he's being taught? After all, this is what you've been hearing on television and in the newspapers for decades. Or do you have some counter-arguments? Might you, in fact, need to defend yourself and your child from a very real threat?
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You should be aware that the question of "overpopulation" is no longer merely a topic of conversation, if it ever was. It is a burning matter of policy and action at the local, national and international level. Our national government is actually committed by law and by international agreement to reducing the worldwide rate of population growth.
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Government spokesmen, such as Ambassador Timothy Wirth, insist that this effort must also apply to the population of the United States. Your chances of having grandchildren depend on whether and how this program is carried out. In many countries already, governments sterilize and abort their citizens by force, often with financial help from the United Nations, the United States and government-supported private agencies such as Planned Parenthood.


"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain

wudidiz  posted on  2009-07-12   4:33:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: wudidiz (#111)

You could move the entire world population inside medium-sized homes and they’d all fit inside Texas, yielding a population density similar to that of Paris.

And what kind of police state will keep the law and order besides cleaning the stench of the rats packed into such a small cage? Al Gore's GLOBAL GOVERNANCE? How egalitarian of you to choose for the rest of us, not realizing our individual rights.

"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-07-12   4:33:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: wudidiz (#113)

Except that farmfriend posts well

That's true too.

Aww, see how sweet you are.


… in the past CO2 (or water) was pumped, at some cost, into depleting oil and gas fields to get out more. This will continue, but the taxpayer will contribute to these costs as the oil companies will be paid for taking the unwanted stuff off governments emission balance sheets! No wonder the oil companies are keen on CCS…

farmfriend  posted on  2009-07-12   4:35:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: wudidiz (#115)

Dr. Jacqueline R. Kasun, Economist and Author

Oh great. Another BS artist that talks about sustainable growth. I wonder how she views America's total debt today ... in terms of economic considerations. Another shill advocating government exploitation for the weak minded.

"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-07-12   4:40:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#114)

Where is all this food? I

It's a distribution problem. The government has alot to do with that.

The same government that you say you are against but yet agree with the ideas they feed you like overpopulation, global warming, eugenics, Oil shortage, water shortage, etc...

If everyone, like you say had a garden, or land was allocated to grow food for people the starvation thing would be solved. If water was properly distributed, people would have enough. There's no shortage of land. Oil is not made by dinosaurs.

Killing people or slowing population growth is the right of no man or woman.

Because it seems like a good idea because that's what you were taught doesn't make it a good idea. Think for yourself.

I love your tagline.

Keep up the posting.


"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain

wudidiz  posted on  2009-07-12   4:40:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#116)

You could move the entire world population inside medium-sized homes and they’d all fit inside Texas, yielding a population density similar to that of Paris.

And what kind of police state will keep the law and order besides cleaning the stench of the rats packed into such a small cage? Al Gore's GLOBAL GOVERNANCE? How egalitarian of you to choose for the rest of us, not realizing our individual rights.

Don't worry, noone is saying to put everyone in Texas sweetie.

Btw it requires a police state to enforce population control. You know, Fascism and all that. Global Governance or whatever you want to call it.

Individual rights is something I'm pushing here.

Like the right to breed. And eat.. And drink clean water. And think independently.


"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain

wudidiz  posted on  2009-07-12   4:44:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: All (#120)

Here's a good one:

The world has never been overpopulated with humans in any meaningful sense. It seems, though, that it is overpopulated with theoretical fears of overpopulation.

The appeal of the overpopulation myth is obvious—who doesn't love a simple, easily graspable idea that seems to explain a great deal?


"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain

wudidiz  posted on  2009-07-12   4:48:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: wudidiz (#119)

It's a distribution problem. The government has alot to do with that.

Huh?

It is a natural resource issue, not just some Marxist exploitation of methods of distribution. And why should MY government be involved at all? I didn't elect so-called leaders to steal from me and re-distribute my wealth to those that could care less.

You can't legislate resources. I mean, you can try all you want or believe all you want but that's just about as fanciful as believing in the tooth faerie. Natural resources can be channeled and taxed by legislation but never created.

"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-07-12   4:49:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: wudidiz (#120)

Individual rights is something I'm pushing here.

How can you have individual rights without responsible self-constraining control? So far, all you say is that mankind kind f**k himself into oblivion not caring about the world around his/her selves.

"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-07-12   4:52:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#122)

Your government is involved. I never said anything about re-distribution of your 'wealth'.

It's involved in policies that are aimed at killing us. Policies that you apparently agree with.

You didn't elect anyone.


"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain

wudidiz  posted on  2009-07-12   4:56:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#123)

...mankind kind f**k himself into oblivion not caring about the world around his/her selves...

Don't go getting all erotic on me now..

Yeah, self control is good.

The government saying we can't breed (but they can) is not so good.


"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain

wudidiz  posted on  2009-07-12   4:59:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: wudidiz (#124)

Policies that you apparently agree with.

I find your sense of perspective strange, at best. Throughout this whole thread there are breadcrumbs wherein I have dotted the i's and crossed the t's irrelevant of government control and methodology.

You seem to think that an infinite amount of natural resources are at our disposal. So administers your infinite amount of resources besides God? Al Gore? Some self-appointed Frankenstein monster unable to declare "individual rights and freedoms" while shouting to high-heaven that global governance is required to rule us all?

Gore's opinion is about lack of respect for the environment. He wants nothing to do with it other than playing some form of planetary God, with an infinite income stream.

"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-07-12   5:05:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: wudidiz (#125)

The government saying we can't breed (but they can) is not so good.

What is wrong with limiting the number of children in any family? I know a lot of people I want entirely eliminated from the human gene pool.

"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-07-12   5:07:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#126)

I find your sense of perspective strange, at best.

Yours is cute but flawed.

You seem to think that an infinite amount of natural resources are at our disposal.

If I remember right, ample was the word I used. That and more than enough or something like that. Check your tagline.

Gore's opinion is about lack of respect for the environment.

It's about global governance.


"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain

wudidiz  posted on  2009-07-12   5:14:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#127)

What is wrong with limiting the number of children in any family?

What's wrong is when the government or the Elite try to force us or coerce us against our will. If an individual decides to limit it themselves, that's fine.

I know a lot of people I want entirely eliminated from the human gene pool.

Who doesn't?

Again, I'm against Eugenics.


"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain

wudidiz  posted on  2009-07-12   5:17:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: wudidiz (#128)

If I remember right, ample was the word I used

I think the world of this by-line. It's just too kewl.

"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009

grace_is_by_our_lord  posted on  2009-07-12   5:18:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#126)

You seem to think that an infinite amount of natural resources are at our disposal.

Yes, endless was the word I used.

In my opinion, the earth generates oil. It is not a fossil fuel.


"If I were going to construct a God I would furnish him with some ways and qualities and characteristics which the Present One lacks... He would spend some of His eternities in trying to forgive Himself for making man unhappy when He could have made him happy with the same effort and He would spend the rest of them in studying astronomy." ~ Mark Twain

wudidiz  posted on  2009-07-12   5:20:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#130) (Edited)

I think the world of this by-line. It's just too kewl.

Thank you Ma'am.

I'm honored.


"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009 (I think the world of this by-line. It's just too kewl. ~grace_is_by_our_lord)

wudidiz  posted on  2009-07-12   5:23:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: All (#132)

warofillusions.wordpress....gory/overpopulation-myth/

Billionaires Rockefeller, Gates, Buffett, Soros, Winfrey in hush-hush discussion on how to curb world population growth May 25, 2009 — Stefan Fobes

Billionaire club in bid to curb overpopulation America’s richest people meet to discuss ways of tackling a ‘disastrous’ environmental, social and industrial threat

5.24.09 / John Harlow / UK Sunday Times Online

SOME of America’s leading billionaires have met secretly to consider how their wealth could be used to slow the growth of the world’s population and speed up improvements in health and education.

The philanthropists who attended a summit convened on the initiative of Bill Gates, the Microsoft co-founder, discussed joining forces to overcome political and religious obstacles to change.

Described as the Good Club by one insider it included David Rockefeller Jr, the patriarch of America’s wealthiest dynasty, Warren Buffett and George Soros, the financiers, Michael Bloomberg, the mayor of New York, and the media moguls Ted Turner and Oprah Winfrey.

These members, along with Gates, have given away more than £45 billion since 1996 to causes ranging from health programmes in developing countries to ghetto schools nearer to home.

They gathered at the home of Sir Paul Nurse, a British Nobel prize biochemist and president of the private Rockefeller University, in Manhattan on May 5. The informal afternoon session was so discreet that some of the billionaires’ aides were told they were at “security briefings”.

Stacy Palmer, editor of the Chronicle of Philanthropy, said the summit was unprecedented. “We only learnt about it afterwards, by accident. Normally these people are happy to talk good causes, but this is different – maybe because they don’t want to be seen as a global cabal,” he said.

Some details were emerging this weekend, however. The billionaires were each given 15 minutes to present their favourite cause. Over dinner they discussed how they might settle on an “umbrella cause” that could harness their interests.

The issues debated included reforming the supervision of overseas aid spending to setting up rural schools and water systems in developing countries. Taking their cue from Gates they agreed that overpopulation was a priority.

This could result in a challenge to some Third World politicians who believe contraception and female education weaken traditional values.

Gates, 53, who is giving away most of his fortune, argued that healthier families, freed from malaria and extreme poverty, would change their habits and have fewer children within half a generation.

At a conference in Long Beach, California, last February, he had made similar points. “Official projections say the world’s population will peak at 9.3 billion [up from 6.6 billion today] but with charitable initiatives, such as better reproductive healthcare, we think we can cap that at 8.3 billion,” Gates said then.

Patricia Stonesifer, former chief executive of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which gives more than £2 billion a year to good causes, attended the Rockefeller summit. She said the billionaires met to “discuss how to increase giving” and they intended to “continue the dialogue” over the next few months.

Another guest said there was “nothing as crude as a vote” but a consensus emerged that they would back a strategy in which population growth would be tackled as a potentially disastrous environmental, social and industrial threat.

“This is something so nightmarish that everyone in this group agreed it needs big-brain answers,” said the guest. “They need to be independent of government agencies, which are unable to head off the disaster we all see looming.”

Why all the secrecy? “They wanted to speak rich to rich without worrying anything they said would end up in the newspapers, painting them as an alternative world government,” he said.


"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009 (I think the world of this by-line. It's just too kewl. ~grace_is_by_our_lord)

wudidiz  posted on  2009-07-12   5:33:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: grace_is_by_our_lord, All (#133)

Abiotic Oil Theory: The Bane of Enviro-Marxists

What would happen if it were proven that “fossil fuels” weren’t the result of decaying plant and animal matter, were actually created within the Earth due to simple chemistry and you could not be scared into believing that we were “running out” of oil and natural gas? Why, you would have a lot of people who are banking on that strategy to convince you to accept government control and mandates over how energy is used going back to square one and looking for another way to institute a populist, socialist agenda.

Scientists who have confirmed that abiotic hydrocarbons are being released from the Lost City hydrothermal field in the Mid-Atlantic range at the bottom of the ocean say they are returning to that location this summer to try to confirm the presence of more complex hydrocarbon chains, a result that would further undermine the assumption that oils are the result of decomposed and compressed organisms.”We looked for C1-C4 hydrocarbons – alkanes, alkenes and alkynes – and detected them all,” Giora Proskurowski, the marine geochemist who headed the Woods Hole team that already has done work at the Lost City site, told WND in an e-mail.

“Last year we did not look for more advanced hydrocarbon chains, but this year we will use the sampling methods required to identify more complex hydrocarbons,” he said.

As WND reported, Proskurowski, of the School of Oceanography at the University of Washington in Seattle, wrote in Science Magazine that Lost City vents at the bottom of the Atlantic were exuding abiotic hydrocarbons formed in the mantle of the earth.

Proskurowski attributed the formation of the observed hydrocarbons to processes identified by the Fischer-Tropsch type (FTT) equations first discovered by Nazi German scientists trying to generate synthetic oil from coal prior to the start of World War II.

Think this is all wishful thinking? You would be right to be skeptical. It’s healthy to be so.  But let’s give you a little bit of supporting evidence for the abiotic theory that you might not know about:

The organic theory of the origin of oil suffered a major blow when NASA announced a probe sent to the surface of Titan, the giant moon of Saturn, had discovered Titan was full of Carbon-13 methane.Carbon-13 is the isotope of carbon associated with abiotic generation, compared to carbon-12 which is generally associated with organic origins.

So unless you can come up with evidence that at one time there was life on Titan, those hydrocarbons had to come from somewhere. You an put 2 and 2 together and get the right answer. But if you choose to believe that its 5 (i.e. that “fossil fuels” are only created from “dead things”) that is your own ignorant choice.


"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009 (I think the world of this by-line. It's just too kewl. ~grace_is_by_our_lord)

wudidiz  posted on  2009-07-12   6:06:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: wudidiz (#134)

My child's chemistry professor is teaching this theory pretty much as fact now. Of course, it IS a private school. The final score in pre-AP Chemistry was 106.

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

IndieTX  posted on  2009-07-12   6:30:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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