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Title: Global Temperature Is Dropping, Not Rising
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The New American
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Published: Jul 11, 2009
Author: Ed Hiserodt
Post Date: 2009-07-12 14:22:56 by farmfriend
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Written by Ed Hiserodt Environmental doomsayers may still be claiming that we must radically reduce carbon-dioxide and other “greenhouse” gas emissions in order to prevent catastrophic global warming, but they cling to that position despite the fact that the warming they’ve been forecasting has not occurred. In fact, the average global temperature has gone down, not up, in recent years. The graph at this link from icecap.us shows that the average global temperature has been dropping since at least 2002, even though the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere has been increasing. A graph based on satellite temperature readings can be found at the appropriately named “algorelied” website. Here the data is put into a 30-year perspective. Markers indicate that the temperature has decreased by 0.74°F (0.39°C) since January 24, 2006. The significance of that date? That’s when Al Gore’s sci-fi-thriller An Inconvenient Truth was released at the Sundance Film Festival. The data showing this cooling trend was taken from thousands of satellite measurements encompassing the entire lower atmosphere of the Earth with an accuracy of 0.01°C. The satellite data is far more accurate than surface temperature measurements, which are limited to the 28 percent of the planet not covered by oceans. (Even in the United States, where one would expect the surface temperature measurements to be more accurate than elsewhere, a recent survey found that only 11 percent of the monitoring stations meet the National Weather Service’s siting requirements. If we were to extrapolate the change in temperature in the last 42 months since Gore’s movie debut to the year 2100, we would forecast a decrease of 19.9°F (8.8°C) — temperatures not seen since the last Ice Age 12,000 years ago. Is such an extrapolation reliable? Of course not! But that’s the kind of extrapolation game global-warming alarmists like to play. Still another look at global temperatures and alarmist predictions comes from EPA analyst Alan Carlin, who shows graphically in a March 2009 report (pdf) how IPCC temperature projections and reality diverge. Carlin’s graph is located on page four of his report. As he explains on the following page, the red, purple, and orange lines on his graph show IPCC temperature predictions assuming different emission scenarios; the yellow line shows what the IPCC claims would happen if the CO2 concentration were to remain the same; and the blue and green lines show the actual temperature records based on ground and satellite readings respectively. The blue and green lines — the lines reflecting the actual temperature records — are the only lines dropping instead of climbing on Carlin’s graph. In fact, the actual global temperature has fallen by 0.3°C in just the last three years according to the satellite data. The EPA document also notes that the actual data conflict with the theory that CO2 causes temperature to rise: And finally some climate tid-bits from the Climate Depot that keeps up with such things: Why don’t global-warming alarmists address the issue of the recent decline in global temperatures? It raises questions about their real agenda, does it not?
Poster Comment: See article for links within the article. I'm tooo lazy to put them in today.
Global Temperature Is Dropping, Not Rising
Saturday, 11 July 2009 19:40 What’s really rather remarkable, is that since 2000, the rates at which CO2 emissions and concentrations are increasing have accelerated. According to Canadell et al. (2008), fossil fuel and cement emissions increased by 3.3 percent per year during 2000-2006, compared to 1.3 percent per year in the 1990s. Similarly, atmospheric CO2 concentrations increased by 1.93 parts per million per year during 2000-2006, compared to 1.58 ppm in the 1990s. And yet, despite accelerating emission rates and concentrations, there's been no net warming in the 21st century, and more accurately, a decline.
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#6. To: farmfriend (#4)
"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009
Hello - earth to moonbeam. Notice how the catch-phrase has had to change from global warming to climate change. The warming dog was no longer able to hunt.
Yes, ice melts in the heat of the summer, and it reforms in the cold of the winter.
LOL ... obviously you aren't aware that the Arctic is now an island. Moreover, international trans-world shipping lanes between Europe and Canada are being planned. The Arctic is almost gone.
"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009
How can you say that, Loddy??? You & Chrissy are fryin' like eggs down there! The only thing that will save you is O'boingo's taxes. Submit to the power of the One True Messiah! Pay up sucker! And you better hurry up about it before all your trees end up kiln-dried while still in the ground.
Actually yes. According to NASA it was due to a change in ocean currents and wind. I can get you the links if you wish. Currently ice is increasing. The Cryosphere Today - Compare Daily Sea Ice
I guess that we'll just soldier on without it then.
Great polar melt-off feared Scientists studying those polar freeze/thaw cycles reported in two papers in Thursday’s edition of the research journal Nature that it appears Earth is headed toward another thaw—and this time, it’s being hurried along by carbon dioxide pollution in the atmosphere. The research dealt specifically with the ice sheets that sit atop West Antarctica, which contain enough water that world sea levels would rise 16 feet if it all melted. Such a thaw would take a thousand years at least, a long time in human terms but a blink in geological time. The new papers both drew on core samples extracted from the Antarctic Ocean floor in 2006 as part of the ANDRILL project, one of the largest scientific undertakings ever for the continent. The project involved 53 scientists and was co-directed by Northern Illinois University geologist Ross Powell. By examining millions of years’ worth of sediments, researchers found that the ice in West Antarctica collapsed and melted about every 40,000 years during the Pliocene epoch 3 to 5 million years ago—a time when there were warm spells “similar to those projected to occur over the next century,” Powell said. When the polar ice began melting on a massive scale, atmospheric carbon dioxide levels were up to around 400 parts per million, Powell said. “We are now at 386 parts per million and rising,” he said, and it grows by one part per million every year. The concern, he said, is that the current rise in carbon dioxide levels—driven by human activity over the last 200 years, mostly the burning of fossil fuels—is causing unprecedented global warming and putting West Antarctica on the fast track to melting. The Earth’s average annual temperature has risen 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit in the last 100 years, but over Antarctica, which holds 70 percent of the world’s fresh water as ice, it has risen 4.5 degrees. “Even if it might take a thousand years or more for the West Antarctic Ice Sheet to disappear, the melting before then could be significant enough that humans should really be taking note … as we worry about our future generations,” Powell said. Natural polar freeze/thaw cycles occur because of a periodic shift in the tilt of the Earth’s axis, known as the Milankovitch Cycle. “The tilting changes the amount of radiation absorbed into each hemisphere of the Earth, depending on which hemisphere is tilted closest to the sun,” said Powell. With the change comes a gradual buildup of atmospheric carbon dioxide that ANDRILL records show eventually caused drastic loss of ice in West Antarctica. But now, human activity appears to be having its own effect on the world’s climate by driving temperatures higher than they otherwise would be, said Northern Illinois University geologist Reed Scherer, also on the ANDRILL research team. Some climatologists believe global temperatures should even be slightly cooling at this time. “If something is an external cycle, it should be predictable,” Scherer said. “But it is much more complicated than that, and we seem to be throwing the pattern off balance now.” Also in Nature was a report from David Pollard of Pennsylvania State University and Robert DeConto of the University of Massachusetts, who used ANDRILL data to simulate Antarctic ice sheet variations over the past 5 million years. The two climate modelers found that the ice sheet atop West Antarctica could move between full, intermediate and collapsed states over only a few thousand years. Today, even a partial melt-off raising sea levels by 4 feet would put at risk an estimated half a billion people who live along shorelines. DeConto said warming ocean temperatures play a key role in how fast polar ice melts, both the ice sheets and the floating ice shelves to which they are attached. The shelves extend for miles into the ocean around Antarctica. “The next big step,” said DeConto, “is to determine what is happening to the ocean temperatures under the ice shelves and around the ice sheet. We really need that information.” wmullen@tribune.com "This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009
We are just coming out of the ice age that was caused by the flood. Nevermind you are just a taker of the lords name in vain.
What flood and which Ice Age?
"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009
The most outrageous of all the warmers' lies. Water as a liquid displaces less space than it does when frozen. Check your own freezer if you doubt this reality of physics.
First you will notice that they specifically address only West Antarctica. Why is that? Because ice is increasing in Antarctica because temps have been getting colder there. The ONLY place in Antarctica that has shown ANY warming is the western peninsula. The ice sheet that shattered there recently is in a horseshoe shaped bay and can not calve as most glaciers do. This builds up pressure when ice increases and it shatters like a piece of glass relieving the pressure. Check the satellite photos. Computer models are not scietific studies.
Yes, central and south Texas have stolen the rest of the world's heat this summer.
You don't seem to understand scientific fact much less common sense. Lets suppose you have an ice cube suspended above the surface of water in a bowl. As it melts (that is to say the height above the water level decreases) the overall water level increases.
"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009
We have used AC two days this year instead of usual two months.
Floating ice melting does not change the water surface level at all.
What is a scientific study then? I mean can't computer models reveal treand analysis similar to mathematical statistical models which tie your automobile insurance rate of payment to your local area?
"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009
But I didn't say it floating. I said it was suspended above the surface of the water. Anartica's ice shelf lays on hard rock above the current level of the ocean.
"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009
If they knew everything to input and if they weren't guessing at half of what they input yes. But this is not the case.A prime example is the fact that the models didn't predict the recent cooling. The sun drives our climate plain and simple. Recent solar activity has been the highest in 1000 years. Cycle 22 and 23 were extremely active. Cycle 24 is not and more closely matches cycles during the Dalton minimum. The yearly spot value of 2007 was already only 7.6 which is below the previous minimum in 1996 (with 8.6). The value dropped to 2.6 in 2008 and the smoothed value at the moment is 1.7 (December 2008). (In December 2007 it was 5.0 .) We must go to the year 1913 to find a lower smoothed value (1.5). The November 2008 value means that the cycle 23 has at least a length of 12.6 years. There has been only 2 cycles since 1749 longer than the cycle 23, the cycle 4 (1784-1798) just before the Dalton minimum and the cycle 6 (1810-1823 or the second of the Dalton cycles). The cycle 9 (1843-1856) had about the same length as we have now achieved (12.5 years). It began the series of 5 Jovian cycles and a cool climate in 1856-1913 (the Damon minimum). Now what do we have: 1. Livingston-Penn observations that the magnetic strength of the sunspots irrespective of their amount has linearly declined since at least 1990 leading the spots vanishing in 2014 or 2015 if the trend continues. 2. A 50-year low in solar wind pressure: Measurements by the Ulysses spacecraft reveal a 20% drop in solar wind pressure since the mid-1990’s. 3. A 12 year low in solar irradiance: the sun’s brightness has dropped a whopping 6% at extreme UV wavelengths since the solar minimum of 1996. 4. A 55-year low in solar radio wavelengths. The lessening of radio emissions seems to be an indication of weakness in the sun’s global magnetic field. 5. The all-time low (since Maunder minimum) of Gleissberg cycle in 2005 (72 years). 6. Ap Index very low. 7. TSI (Total Solar Irradiance) at its lowest since satellite observations began in 1979 (1365 Watts). Autocorrelation of the sunspots since 1760 gives the highest correlation as 210 years. The Dalton minimum began in 1798. The yearly sunspotnumbers of 1795-1798 were 21, 16, 6.4 and 4.1, the corresponding values for 2005-2008 were 30, 15, 7.6 and 2.8. The first full Dalton year or 1799, had a SSN value of 6.8. The SSN of the first 6 months of 2009 is 1.7. Huh. I didn't know that.
David Perlman, Chronicle Science Editor Saturday, January 26, 2008 Antarctica's massive coastal glaciers are quickly melting into the sea as the oceans around the continent grow warmer - and the pace of ice loss is speeding up. An international satellite network measuring the thickness of the glaciers as they shrink year by year has found that the glaciers have melted so rapidly during the past 10 years that the continent is losing almost as much ice as Greenland, according to researchers gathering the satellite data. The team from Chile, England and the Netherlands is led by Eric Rignot, a radar engineer and glacier specialist at UC Irvine and NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory who has watched the shrinking glaciers and gathered data for the past 15 years from Canadian, Japanese and European polar-orbiting satellites. Those satellites carry radar instruments that can measure the thickness of each glacier with remarkable accuracy, and they have now mapped more than 85 percent of the entire coastline of Antarctica, covering all the continent's major glaciers. Unlike Greenland's coastal glaciers, where meltwater from the ice on the surface seeps down to the base of each glacier and lubricates it to speed its flow to the sea, the glaciers on Antarctica move down from the land as huge ice sheets and spread out over the ocean, where the thick glaciers are known as ice shelves. For many years, scientists have watched some of these giant ice shelves breaking apart and crashing into the sea, and now more and more of them are melting as they move out over the ocean. The cause: Antarctic waters like the Bellingshausen and Amundsen seas are warming, and as their water temperatures rise they melt the undersides of the ice sheets so the sheets become thinner and the seas intrude farther and farther inland - to melt still more of the ice, Rignot explained in a phone interview. Although the effect of all this ice loss on global sea levels is still small - measured in a rise of only a few thousands of an inch each year so far from the melting in Antarctica - that increase has nearly doubled in the past 10 years, he estimated. "We're concerned that the rate of glacier melting will double rapidly," Rignot said. Ice loss is most pronounced in Antarctica's Pine Island Bay region, where three major glaciers are losing ice fast, and on the northern tip of the Antarctic Peninsula, Rignot and his colleagues reported. Glaciers in those two regions alone lost about 212 billion tons of ice from 1996 to 2006 - an amount very similar to the total loss of ice on Greenland, Rignot and his team calculated. The east coast of the Antarctic Peninsula is where two major ice shelves - called Larsen A and Larsen B - disintegrated in 1995 and 2002. Those immense events were among the most convincing early signals that global warming is real and dangerous. The researchers calculated the increase in mass of the glaciers as snow has piled up on them, and compared those numbers with the losses due to melting into the sea. The calculations yield what Rignot and his colleagues term the "ice sheet mass balance," and the overall result is increasingly negative, they report. "Large uncertainties remain in predicting Antarctica's future contribution to sea level rise," Rignot said. "The ice sheets are responding faster to climate change than (anyone) anticipated," he said. E-mail David Perlman at dperlman@sfchronicle.com. "This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009
Please read above.
"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009
I see by the weather map that Texas is being char broiled. Just maybe God is getting you Texas sinners prepared??????? hehehehehehehehehehe I did summers of 50/51 in Texas, I knew then that God was unhappy with Texans.
Before hitting the Ignore Thread hammer here, thanks to everyone for all the information that is gathering about our planet. The mystery remains: how can we have empirical evidence that we have been cooling for over ten years now, and also have empirical evidence that the ice-melting at both poles (and elsewhere) is accelerating? For whatever reason, it seems that the various oceans and seas, are warming and causing the melts.
Even as a child of 4/5, I remember those summers. It was so hot and dry that the land would have cracks big enough for the cattle to step in and break a leg. The cattle that were not sold had to be hayed both summer and winter those years. 'Showers of Blessings' was the number one tune in many churches down here.
The peninsula sticks out into warm water. Like the arctic, ocean currents are the main cause of ice changes. Certainly there is some uncertainty. But there is no question that hundreds of years will be needed for any significant ice loss in either Greenland or Antarctica. The glaciers in Greenland are all now slowing down after spurting forward in the late 90's, particularly during the strong El Nino in 1998. The rate on the biggest glaciers is back to pre 1997. See for example http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/01/no-reporting-of-slowing-greenland-glaciers-shame-on-the-msm/ It is much wiser to wait 100 years or so and see if we need to do anything then.
Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle
Glacier speed in Greenland is slowing greatly (see my previous link). It was one of the most ignored stories in all of climate study late last year.
Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle
Actually the seas are starting to cool as well. ENSO and PDO are both in cooling phases.
Then they'd have to be global-cooling alarmists. There'd be a global governance to deal with global-cooling instead of global-warming Until that stupid f**ker w/a flaregun, eh? No matter what In 2007, the FBI reported on concern about white supremacists recruiting soldiers, saying "hundreds" of neo-Nazis were in the active military. But in April, a Department of Homeland Security report on extremism that reiterated much the same point was widely criticized by veterans groups and some conservative politicians as being unpatriotic, leading the Justice Department to retract the DHS report. Critics acknowledge that extremism in the Army is a touchy political subject. There'd be a global governance to deal with global-cooling instead of global-warming Oh man, a return to the 70s. Yikes!
Nevermind your not smart enough. Go rant about Bush.
From there I won an all expense paid tour of Guam where it rained ten times a day and the humidity was 110 per cent. I think I had loser stamped on my forehead.
I think that your tombstone should have 'Winner' in there somewhere. You did what was 'required' at the time, you survived, and now you see the light. A loser, you are not.
Except that the Antarctic Ice Sheet is growing. The measured thickness of the Ice Sheet has increased over the last several years and is now back at 1970's levels. A few icebergs breaking off does not diminish that fact. Because the PsyOps media selectively plays pro-GloBULL Warming Sensationalism and selectively omits "Inconvenient Truths" is also a known fact. GloBULL Warming is just that BULL. That is why you see all of the major Propaganda Outlets now touting "Global Climate Change" as the new Propaganda Tag. As always follow the money. The "Carbon Tax" money would go to the usual suspects - the Banksters who are already looting the treasury and Algore stands to make a lot of filthy lucre with his Carbon Trading Company - while real environmental problems - depletion of aquifers, toxic residues getting into the water table, sulfur and mercury emissions from coal fired power plants, etc., are buried under the phony premise that we are creating too much CO2 (which is used by plants in their respiratory cycle and more CO2 benefits farming and tree growth) which is a beneficial gas. Our atmospheric CO2 levels are at a historical low. During the Cretaceous and Tertiary Eras the CO2 levels were much higher.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Lots of good data on the reality of Global COOLING: "I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
Hahahahahahaha....
"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009
I think I'd rather be the piano player. I likes girls.
"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician
One of truly 'no shit' moments here. Thanks.
#7. To: Jethro Tull. all (#5)
...produce healthier meat without the need to grow animals...
#8. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#6)
#9. To: lodwick (#8)
#10. To: lodwick (#7)
The warming dog was no longer able to hunt.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#11. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#6)
I suppose ice melts with some new phenomena other than temperatures rising?
… in the past CO2 (or water) was pumped, at some cost, into depleting oil and gas fields to get out more. This will continue, but the taxpayer will contribute to these costs as the oil companies will be paid for taking the unwanted stuff off governments emission balance sheets! No wonder the oil companies are keen on CCS…
#12. To: grace_is_by_our_lord. all (#9)
Moreover, international trans-world shipping lanes between Europe and Canada are being planned. The Arctic is almost gone.
#13. To: farmfriend (#0)
By William Mullen
March 19, 2009
For the last 5 million years, the frozen polar ends of the Earth have melted on a regular basis, raising sea levels dramatically to heights that, if achieved today, would inundate most of the world’s major cities and coastal areas where billions of people live.
#14. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#13)
#15. To: Old Friend (#14)
#16. To: grace_is_by_our_lord. all (#13)
Today, even a partial melt-off raising sea levels by 4 feet would put at risk an estimated half a billion people who live along shorelines.
#17. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#13)
The two climate modelers found that the ice sheet atop West Antarctica could move between full, intermediate and collapsed states over only a few thousand years.
… in the past CO2 (or water) was pumped, at some cost, into depleting oil and gas fields to get out more. This will continue, but the taxpayer will contribute to these costs as the oil companies will be paid for taking the unwanted stuff off governments emission balance sheets! No wonder the oil companies are keen on CCS…
#18. To: Esso (#10)
#19. To: lodwick (#16)
#20. To: lodwick (#18)
#21. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#19)
You don't seem to understand scientific fact much less common sense. Lets suppose you have an ice cube suspended above the surface of water in a bowl. As it melts (that is to say the height above the water level decreases) the overall water level increases.
… in the past CO2 (or water) was pumped, at some cost, into depleting oil and gas fields to get out more. This will continue, but the taxpayer will contribute to these costs as the oil companies will be paid for taking the unwanted stuff off governments emission balance sheets! No wonder the oil companies are keen on CCS…
#22. To: farmfriend (#17)
#23. To: farmfriend (#21)
#24. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#22)
I mean can't computer models reveal treand analysis similar to mathematical statistical models which tie your automobile insurance rate of payment to your local area?
JUNE BREAKING NEWS: THE CYCLE GOES AT THE MOMENT BELOW DALTON LEVEL.
… in the past CO2 (or water) was pumped, at some cost, into depleting oil and gas fields to get out more. This will continue, but the taxpayer will contribute to these costs as the oil companies will be paid for taking the unwanted stuff off governments emission balance sheets! No wonder the oil companies are keen on CCS…
#25. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#23)
Anartica's ice shelf lays on hard rock above the current level of the ocean.
#26. To: farmfriend (#21)
Antarctic glaciers melting more quickly
#27. To: lodwick (#26)
#28. To: lodwick (#25)
#29. To: grace_is_by_our_lord, farm friend, all (#27)
#30. To: Cynicom (#28)
(Edited)
I did summers of 50/51 in Texas, I knew then that God was unhappy with Texans.
#31. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#26)
The east coast of the Antarctic Peninsula is where two major ice shelves - called Larsen A and Larsen B - disintegrated in 1995 and 2002.
#32. To: lodwick (#29)
also have empirical evidence that the ice-melting at both poles (and elsewhere) is accelerating?
#33. To: lodwick (#29)
For whatever reason, it seems that the various oceans and seas, are warming and causing the melts.
… in the past CO2 (or water) was pumped, at some cost, into depleting oil and gas fields to get out more. This will continue, but the taxpayer will contribute to these costs as the oil companies will be paid for taking the unwanted stuff off governments emission balance sheets! No wonder the oil companies are keen on CCS…
#34. To: farmfriend (#0)
Why don’t global-warming alarmists address the issue of the recent decline in global temperatures? It raises questions about their real agenda, does it not?
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"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009 (I think the world of this by-line. It's just too kewl. ~grace_is_by_our_lord)
#35. To: purpleman (#32)
Glacier speed in Greenland is slowing greatly
we get out of this
I know we'll
never forget.
#36. To: wudidiz (#34)
Then they'd have to be global-cooling alarmists.
… in the past CO2 (or water) was pumped, at some cost, into depleting oil and gas fields to get out more. This will continue, but the taxpayer will contribute to these costs as the oil companies will be paid for taking the unwanted stuff off governments emission balance sheets! No wonder the oil companies are keen on CCS…
#37. To: grace_is_by_our_lord (#15)
What flood and which Ice Age?
#38. To: lodwick (#30)
It was so hot and dry that the land would have cracks big enough for the cattle to step in and break a leg.
#39. To: Cynicom (#38)
I think I had loser stamped on my forehead.
#40. To: grace_is_by_our_lord, farmfriend (#23)
(Edited)
But I didn't say it floating. I said it was suspended above the surface of the water. Anartica's ice shelf lays on hard rock above the current level of the ocean.
#41. To: farmfriend, grace_is_by_our_lord, lodwick, christine, Cynicom, Wudidiz, All (#24)
#42. To: Original_Intent (#41)
"My choice early in life was either to be a piano player in a whorehouse or a politician. And to tell the truth, there's hardly any difference." - President Harry S. Truman
"This planet can easily sustain far more than 6.7 Billion people. It's a big planet. There's an endless supply of oil. More water than we need and ample room to grow all the food required plus more." -- wudidiz, circa July 12, 2009 (I think the world of this by-line. It's just too kewl. ~grace_is_by_our_lord)
#43. To: Original_Intent, lodwick, farmfriend, wuditiz (#40)
Because the PsyOps media selectively plays pro-GloBULL Warming Sensationalism and selectively omits "Inconvenient Truths" is also a known fact.
#44. To: wudidiz (#42)
#45. To: Original_Intent (#44)
The Shooting of Dan McGrew
A bunch of the boys were whooping it up in the Malamute saloon;
The kid that handles the music-box was hitting a jag-time tune;
Back of the bar, in a solo game, sat Dangerous Dan McGrew,
And watching his luck was his light-o'-love, the lady that's known as Lou.
When out of the night, which was fifty below, and into the din and glare,
There stumbled a miner fresh from the creeks, dog-dirty, and loaded for bear.
He looked like a man with a foot in the grave and scarcely the strength of a louse,
Yet he tilted a poke of dust on the bar, and he called for drinks for the house.
There was none could place the stranger's face, though we searched ourselves for a clue;
But we drank his health, and the last to drink was Dangerous Dan McGrew.
There's men that somehow just grip your eyes, and hold them hard like a spell;
And such was he, and he looked to me like a man who had lived in hell;
With a face most hair, and the dreary stare of a dog whose day is done,
As he watered the green stuff in his glass, and the drops fell one by one.
Then I got to figgering who he was, and wondering what he'd do,
And I turned my head--and there watching him was the lady that's known as Lou.
His eyes went rubbering round the room, and he seemed in a kind of daze,
Till at last that old piano fell in the way of his wandering gaze.
The rag-time kid was having a drink; there was no one else on the stool,
So the stranger stumbles across the room, and flops down there like a fool.
In a buckskin shirt that was glazed with dirt he sat, and I saw him sway,
Then he clutched the keys with his talon hands--my God! but that man could play.
Were you ever out in the Great Alone, when the moon was awful clear,
And the icy mountains hemmed you in with a silence you most could hear;
With only the howl of a timber wolf, and you camped there in the cold,
A helf-dead thing in a stark, dead world, clean mad for the muck called gold;
While high overhead, green, yellow, and red, the North Lights swept in bars?--
Then you've a hunch what the music meant...hunger and might and the stars.
And hunger not of the belly kind, that's banished with bacon and beans,
But the gnawing hunger of lonely men for a home and all that it means;
For a fireside far from the cares that are, four walls and a roof above;
But oh! so cramful of cosy joy, and crowded with a woman's love--
A woman dearer than all the world, and true as Heaven is true--
(God! how ghastly she looks through her rouge,--the lady that's known as Lou.)
Then on a sudden the music changed, so soft that you scarce could hear;
But you felt that your life had been looted clean of all that it once held dear;
That someone had stolen the woman you loved; that her love was a devil's lie;
That your guts were gone, and the best for you was to crawl away and die.
'Twas the crowning cry of a heart's despair, and it thrilled you through and through--
"I guess I'll make it a spread misere," said Dangerous Dan McGrew.
The music almost dies away...then it burst like a pent-up flood;
And it seemed to say, "Repay, repay," and my eyes were blind with blood.
The thought came back of an ancient wrong, and it stung like a frozen lash,
And the lust awoke to kill, to kill...then the music stopped with a crash,
And the stranger turned, and his eyes they burned in a most peculiar way;
In a buckskin shirt that was glazed with dirt he sat, and I saw him sway;
Then his lips went in in a kind of grin, and he spoke, and his voice was calm,
And "Boys," says he, "you don't know me, and none of you care a damn;
But I want to state, and my words are straight, and I'll bet my poke they're true,
That one of you is a hound of hell...and that one is Dan McGrew."
Then I ducked my head and the lights went out, and two guns blazed in the dark;
And a woman screamed, and the lights went up, and two men lay stiff and stark.
Pitched on his head, and pumped full of lead, was Dangerous Dan McGrew,
While the man from the creeks lay clutched to the breast of the lady that's known as Lou.
These are the simple facts of the case, and I guess I ought to know.
They say that the stranger was crazed with "hooch," and I'm not denying it's so.
I'm not so wise as the lawyer guys, but strictly between us two--
The woman that kissed him and--pinched his poke--was the lady known as Lou.
~Robert Service
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand." ~ Milton Friedman
#46. To: wudidiz. all (#45)
"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there'd be a shortage of sand." ~ Milton Friedman
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