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Title: What is your opinion ?
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Published: Aug 16, 2005
Author: Steppenwolf
Post Date: 2005-08-16 15:37:36 by Steppenwolf
Keywords: opinion, What, your
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Comments: 12
Will the seven day extension get the Iraqis any closer to agreeing on a constitution ? Personally I will be very surprised if seven days or even seven months is enough time for the three factions to agree .
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#1. To: Steppenwolf (#0)
I just hope whatever agreement they come to, involves our immediate withdrawal from the region. Enough blood for oil men's ambitions.
 | So many morons, so few bullets. |
#2. To: Steppenwolf (#0)
It doesn't matter. They are already in a civil war, and it is only going to escalate. We threw a lot of money and good lives down that shithole.
Will the seven day extension get the Iraqis any closer to agreeing on a constitution ?
"You know, when you're on parole and you been on death row, it's hard to find a date." Kenneth Allen McDuff
#3. To: Steppenwolf (#0)
I doubt it for one reason. They're 'discussing' the regionalization of Iraq which I knew would happen from reading bits and pieces of news. The Kurds want the north, the oil region. I doubt that the Iraqis as a whole will want to give up their oil fields to the Kurds who are allied with the US and Israel. But who knows? Considering that Juan Cole and others call the elections totally into question, maybe the fix is in?
#4. To: Steppenwolf (#0)
Why, sure it will! Because there's going to be 15 guy's with guns to their heads warning them not to "make the President look bad." I bet there's going to be ALLOT of pressure to agree on something.. anything! Just agree already so we can make the announcement! Don't you know Dubya's numbers are dropping? Agree already!
Will the seven day extension get the Iraqis any closer to agreeing on a constitution ?
"Working Three Jobs is: Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic... Get any sleep?" (Laughs) ~ George W Bush
#5. To: Steppenwolf (#0)
I doubt it. The sticking points are the ones that were there at the start of the process; Sharia, Autonomy, Federalisation. Why should the Shias give up Sharia? The Baathis are no longer around, and many secular Shias were Baathis. Women's rights fall under Sharia, so, along with other secularists and modernists, they're plumb outta luck. The Kurds have achieved autonomy via the US; Wilson's backstabbing betrayal of the Kurds at Versailles has been corrected by Bush. The Sunnis are screwed. Why maintain colonial borders. Let 'em fight. Better than Americans dying to bring Sharia to Basrastan. Of course, if that had been the goal, we never had to invade in the first place.
#6. To: Steppenwolf (#0)
I believe they will ultimately collapse into a full blown civil war... and personally, I believe we should LET them. Let them sort it out and create their OWN country... or three countries if that's what it takes. Why is it any of OUR business? There are no WMD and Saddam is out of power... GO HOME YANKEE... and take yer damn dog with ya~!!
Don't force feed me your views... talk to me so I can hear you...
#7. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#1)
We need to civilize them Tommy. That means getting them credit cards and in debt to money center banks. That is what civilized means. Not to mention getting all the farmers to only plant Monsanto's "buy me every year" seeds. Then they will be free!!!
I just hope whatever agreement they come to, involves our immediate withdrawal from the region. Enough blood for oil men's ambitions.
#8. To: Zipporah (#3)
I agree ,and wonder how the neocons are going to spin another delay.?
I doubt it for one reason. They're 'discussing' the regionalization of Iraq which I knew would happen from reading bits and pieces of news.
#9. To: Steppenwolf (#8)
There is no way they ever had any intention on leaving.. I believe they've built 17 (?) bases in Iraq. So they're not leaving. We're there for the very long haul. How they'll sell this I have no idea. Other than them saying they cant leave an unstable Iraq of course they leave out it's unstable cause we're there..
I agree ,and wonder how the neocons are going to spin another delay.?
#10. To: Zipporah (#9)
In Baghdad yesterday, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told reporters the U.S. has no "exit strategy" for the country – just a "victory strategy." That statement seems in line with the sentiment of most lawmakers on Capitol Hill. They're posed to approve another $80 billion for American military activities in Iraq and Afghanistan. Included in the request is money to construct 14 "enduring" military bases in Iraq and one in Afghanistan. Ask any one senator what he or she thinks of building 14 new military bases in Iraq, and you're likely to get an answer like this one from Michigan Democrat Debbie Stabenow. "I think it's very clear and very unfortunate that we are a long way from having stability in Iraq," she told me as she walked off the Senate floor. "Unfortunately, we're going to be facing a lot of challenges in Iraq for a long time."
There is no way they ever had any intention on leaving.. I believe they've built 17 (?) bases in Iraq.
#11. To: Steppenwolf (#10)
"I think it's very clear and very unfortunate that we are a long way from having stability in Iraq," she told me as she walked off the Senate floor. "Unfortunately, we're going to be facing a lot of challenges in Iraq for a long time." Great.. There is no opposition party, sad to say. The constituency just isnt aware quite yet.
Michigan Democrat Debbie Stabenow.
#12. To: Zipporah (#11)
The new U.S. military bases in Iraq will likely be built in concert with Dick Cheney's old company Halliburton. Congressional staffers told me that the company will likely receive 5 to 6 billion dollars more if the new monies are approved, and that number could rise. Halliburton hasn't been on-budget in the past. "Excess cost, unaccounted-for lost equipment – really a whole variety of things" is how Charles Cray described the company's practices over the last three years. Cray helps manage the Web site http://www.HalliburtonWatch.org. He notes data released by Representative Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) this week that showed Halliburton has overcharged the U.S. government $212 million since the occupation began. "This $82 billion supplemental [that Congress will be voting on], when it came from the White House, it had no provisions to increase oversight," he said. Republicans on Capitol Hill have blocked Democratic efforts to increase oversight. Meantime, the Los Angeles Times reported this week that of the 20 water treatment and 24 sewage plants San Francisco-based Bechtel Corporation had announced it fixed, NONE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING. Still, Democratic senators say they have no choice but to join their Republican colleagues and approve $80 billion more for the wars. "The overriding goal of supporting the troops is one I can't argue with," Senator Barack Obama of Illinois told me. "I meet too many families back in Illinois whose children are over there – you visit Walter Reed [military hospital] and you see double amputees who are 18 years old, and you can't hold them hostage despite some significant policy differences." Some, however, see more support for the U.S. military in Iraq as continuing and worsening a cycle of violence. Sean Langan is a documentary filmmaker with the BBC who spent months reporting both embedded and unembedded in Fallujah. He told me that the more the U.S. cracks down on the insurgency, the more it grows. And, he says, that's not good for the troops. "Many of these guys back home would be the good guys," he said. "They would be the guys who would help out in the community, and yet finding themselves in a town like Fallujah where they are getting shot at every day, they ended up as the bad guys. The nice guys and good guys were then the same guys who would shout abuse at the Iraqi civilians and run cars off the road. Whatever kind of guy you are, you end up in a difficult, no-win situation." Come now Mr.Langan,our boys wouldn't mistreat the Iraqis They hand out candy and toys to the children ....LOL
Michigan Democrat Debbie Stabenow. "I think it's very clear and very unfortunate that we are a long way from having stability in Iraq," she told me as she walked off the Senate floor. "Unfortunately, we're going to be facing a lot of challenges in Iraq for a long time."
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