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Title: Goldi lays down the law - again
Source: Libertypost
URL Source: http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=269396
Published: Jul 15, 2009
Author: Goldi-Lox
Post Date: 2009-07-15 18:01:30 by IDon'tThinkSo
Keywords: Don, Disagree, With, Me
Views: 2717
Comments: 179

Over the past few months, I've noticed that there is an increase in LP Members who choose to use words and namecalling to:

ridicule others

demean others

undermine others

"pigeonhole" others or events

This is being done by those who do not agree with a position or person. Rather than engage in debate and rebuttal, certain individuals simply screech out (or type out) their favorite nom du jour and avoid any intelligent discussion.

It's going to STOP!

Polite requests have not worked.

Removal of posts has not worked.

Removal of posts and RED comments of UNCIVIL behavior has not worked.

So now, we WILL do something that WILL work!

Henceforth, when any issue arises, or any discussion occurs, and the person trivializes it by either labeling it as:

-- kook

-- nutcase

or any variation thereof, I'm just going to remove the person permanently. Ban them.

I believe that there may be some new "plants" here from that "Acorn" group or something similar. Regardless of who it is, these actions are INCOMPATABLE with Free Speech under the First Amendment.

To have some folks polluting the LP discussions with a low-brow, uneducated method of halting discussion is unacceptable.

It's like urinating in the swimming pool. Uncouth, vulgar, and disgusting.

Earlier, we had various people calling each other names, and it was a personal issue.

This is different.

This will not stand.

If this restriction is intolerable to those who engage in this with your limited mental processes, please don't hesitate to leave. You will NOT be missed.

You are ALL hereby put on notice to cease and desist from this activity: Immediately

If you find a new word that does the same thing....guess what?

This same rule will cause the deletion of the offender.

LP "WILL" be a site for news DISCUSSION. Period.

We will have this added to our official rules.

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#36. To: lucysmom (#23)

Goldi is so even handed.

/sarc

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-07-16   22:16:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: lucysmom (#34)

Higher than what?

Higher than the goyim (that's everbody who is not Jewish) of course.

abraxas  posted on  2009-07-16   22:17:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: lucysmom (#34)

It is possible to have a high IQ and be in denial

Not on Liberty Post........lol.

abraxas  posted on  2009-07-16   22:18:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: abraxas (#35)

Where is the documentation or supporting evidence that

Expecting the "chosen" over there to back up what they post is now grounds for immediate banning, according to Goldi.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-07-16   22:20:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#39)

Expecting the "chosen" over there to back up what they post is now grounds for immediate banning, according to Goldi.

I saw that jack bootery. Don't dare ask for a link or a source because that muddies up the "discussion" and all that "free" speech.

abraxas  posted on  2009-07-16   22:23:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: lucysmom (#23)

Yukon is exempt because, according to Goldi, he's the canary in the coal mine.

I don't even know what that's supposed to mean.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-07-16   22:25:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#41)

I don't even know what that's supposed to mean.

Well, see...Yukon is from Alaska and supports Palin that makes him a particular Acorn victim...

I didn't really get it either - maybe its that IQ thing.

lucysmom  posted on  2009-07-16   22:31:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: abraxas (#28)

Goldi-Pox is simply put a hypocrite. Knowingly and willingly - she banned TwentyTwelve and myself for nothing more than pointing that out. Not once did we violate any of the forum rules but were nevertheless banned.

Palinistas--good. Paultards--bad. Remember when Ron Paul supporters were called kooks on every single thread? Not one word in their defense. Oh, but if a birther is called a kook, that's worth giving the boot for using the word kook.

That's about what it comes down to.

Goldi-Pox is flat a dishonest lying hypocritical whore (and that is an insult to good honest whores everywhere). She arbitrarily bans those she dislikes and disagrees with, and allows worse offenses by her pets - the Israbots. BotShiller has committed many worse offenses against the rules of civility and honest discourse than any other poster on that execrable site other than Yuktard and both disregard her so called rules with impunity.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-07-16   22:37:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: All (#40)

Did you just mention that to Joe Snuffy over there? : )

abraxas  posted on  2009-07-16   22:40:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#44)

Oops, I meant that post to be for IDon'tThinkSo.

Ping that one up above.

abraxas  posted on  2009-07-16   22:41:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: abraxas (#45)

I can neither confirm nor deny that accusation.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-07-16   22:43:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Artisan (#31)

: Original_Intent

Goldi-Pox is a flaming hypocrite and is a wholly owned whore to some intel agency - CIA or Mossad or both.

do they get a lot of traffic over there?

El Pee has never been as big as Freeptardia but did get a fair amount of traffic which began dropping off after she arbitrarily banned TwentyTwelve and me. She shot herself in the foot with that one and the Alexa rating dropped off the map. As far as her beholdeness I base my conclusion on her change in behavior after becoming unemployed and then getting her "new" job. I am convinced there was a quid pro quo with some organization with clout, and given the information warfare aspects most likely an intel agency. Her behavior and attitude changed immediately following that and it is when she came down arbitrarily on RP supporters. Since Goldi is a Kool-Aid drinking ZioNAZI my guess is a Jewish group of some kind.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-07-16   22:44:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Original_Intent (#47)

Since Goldi is a Kool-Aid drinking ZioNAZI my guess is a Jewish group of some kind.

That would help explain the prominence of non-citizen Marguerite over there.

While Goldi attacks JohnA for being Canadian and meddling in US affairs, no such criticism is directed at the remarkably offensive Maggy.

Maggy even feels that she can demand that people get off of her threads.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-07-16   22:48:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#46)

I can neither confirm nor deny that accusation.

lol..........you do know your days are numbered over at Toast, just when it's becoming a shiny utopia of discussion.

Personally, I'm stretched beyond my limits of wading through bovine excrement. : )

abraxas  posted on  2009-07-16   22:49:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#48)

Maggy even feels that she can demand that people get off of her threads.

And she condones Jews spitting on Christians.

abraxas  posted on  2009-07-16   22:49:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: IDon'tThinkSo, All (#0)

Who will land here out of the Liberty Post Diaspora??

_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2009-07-16   22:50:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: abraxas (#33)

I still think I nailed it on the thread I was banned on - when Goldi was unemployed she was offered a simple proposition - "we'll give you a good job just cooperate with us". Liberty Post was a bare knuckle fight before - and now it is a bare knuckle fight with the defenders of liberty being required to wear an eye patch over one eye, one hand behind their back, and a cement galosh on one foot.

lol......no fight now, just an echo chamber.

Obama bad. Obama bad. Obama bad.

Palin good. Palin good. Palin good.

And that 145 IQ business. On one thread she claimed all Jewish people have higher IQ's. On another thread she is quipping about how weak Jesus Christ was for turning the other cheek, indicating that's just not the Jewish way.

Goldi is becoming more schizophrenic by the day.

None of her beloved Israbots could lay a glove on me - and they tried repeatedly. Goldi took a couple of pokes, once over Lebanon and the Israeli's committing War Crimes there then later she tried the old canard of Joan Peters' propaganda tome "Since Time Immemorial, and I shoved them both back down her throat. I don't think she ever forgave me for refuting her with undeniable facts.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-07-16   22:50:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Original_Intent (#47)

Her behavior and attitude changed immediately following that and it is when she came down arbitrarily on RP supporters.

yeah i remember when she banned talking about ron paul, that is when i left; i posted a topic calling her out as a kook, and invited everyone to come here. then she deleted my post, lol, but not before everyone saw it.

Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2009-07-16   22:50:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: abraxas (#49)

lol..........you do know your days are numbered over at Toast, just when it's becoming a shiny utopia of discussion.

Well, I admit nothing, but I do know that there is at least one poster there who has been banned over forty times yet always comes back.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-07-16   22:50:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#54)

Well, I admit nothing, but I do know that there is at least one poster there who has been banned over forty times yet always comes back.

IF there's a will, there's a way. It's mustering up the will again and again and again that is beyond be.

On that particular retread again and again poster, I think she allows it back into the play pen.

abraxas  posted on  2009-07-16   22:52:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#48)

Since Goldi is a Kool-Aid drinking ZioNAZI my guess is a Jewish group of some kind.

That would help explain the prominence of non-citizen Marguerite over there.

While Goldi attacks JohnA for being Canadian and meddling in US affairs, no such criticism is directed at the remarkably offensive Maggy.

Maggy even feels that she can demand that people get off of her threads.

Well she can. She's one of the Chosen. /Sarcasm

Goldi is destroying her own site - and it is because she is intellectually dishonest - and deep down knows it. However, as a convert to Judaism she seems to feel compelled to be MORE Jewish than anyone else and that means no matter what fiendish crime Israel commits "it was justified" because someone threw rocks or committed suicide in desperation to get back at the oppressors.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-07-16   22:53:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: X-15 (#51)

A couple of my favorites already have - Happy and Itistoolate. A couple more and all Goldi-Pox will have left is a bunch of 'bots slapping each other on the back about what jeenyusses they are.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-07-16   22:56:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Original_Intent (#52)

None of her beloved Israbots could lay a glove on me - and they tried repeatedly. Goldi took a couple of pokes, once over Lebanon and the Israeli's committing War Crimes there then later she tried the old canard of Joan Peters' propaganda tome "Since Time Immemorial, and I shoved them both back down her throat. I don't think she ever forgave me for refuting her with undeniable facts.

I've had the same treatment. Marg and Mag put me on bozo, then crawl out to comment because they simply can't remain silent when they feel compelled to toss out the ol' anti-semetic card.

I've had a few go rounds with Goldi. Once refuted with undeniable facts, she simply refuses to post again on the matter.

abraxas  posted on  2009-07-16   22:56:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Artisan (#53)

yeah i remember when she banned talking about ron paul, that is when i left

HA! I got the boot for that little episode!! And I didn't even mention Ron Paul by name, I just said "He Who Shall Not Be Named".

_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2009-07-16   22:59:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Artisan (#53)

Her behavior and attitude changed immediately following that and it is when she came down arbitrarily on RP supporters.

yeah i remember when she banned talking about ron paul, that is when i left; i posted a topic calling her out as a kook, and invited everyone to come here. then she deleted my post, lol, but not before everyone saw it.

That was what got TwentyTwelve and me banned - we refused to shut up about the hypocrisy of it and that her rationale had more holes than a swiss cheese. Since she could not counter what we were saying she simply banned us to shut us up.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-07-16   22:59:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Original_Intent (#56)

However, as a convert to Judaism she seems to feel compelled to be MORE Jewish than anyone else and that means no matter what fiendish crime Israel commits "it was justified" because someone threw rocks or committed suicide in desperation to get back at the oppressors.

You must have missed the thread about Goldi checking her geneology and finding that she is Jewish. The DNA on her mom's side checks out and she always had a "feeling" that this would be so, because she also has psychic abilities to go along with her big IQ.

Her conversion was simply "coming home" to where she always "knew" she belonged.

abraxas  posted on  2009-07-16   23:01:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: X-15 (#59)

I just said "He Who Shall Not Be Named".

LOL...........that's so funny. : )

abraxas  posted on  2009-07-16   23:02:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: abraxas (#58)

I've had a few go rounds with Goldi. Once refuted with undeniable facts, she simply refuses to post again on the matter.

That is her standard tactic. When clearly refuted she has all the grace of Nurse Diesel and simply will cease responding or posting on the thread. The Lebanon thread I continued to post on for nearly a month demanding an apology for what she had said. Not a peep out of her.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-07-16   23:02:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Original_Intent, artisan (#47)

do they get a lot of traffic over there?

Up 30 or 40% in last 90 days

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

IndieTX  posted on  2009-07-16   23:03:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Original_Intent (#56)

Major New Ron Paul Fundraising Assault Set For December (Good riddance to you control freak hacks!)
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Source: INFOWARS.COM
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Vote RON PAUL 2008, expose the 911 inside job cover-up, resist tyranny, praise the Lord and keep your powder dry. Peace everyone. Sincerely, Freedom_Rider.


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Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
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Artisan  posted on  2009-07-16   23:04:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Original_Intent (#63)

When clearly refuted she has all the grace of Nurse Diesel

Oh, you're killin' me............lol. Today she mustered up an "I stand corrected" for IrishThacherite. Those three words must have been painful to type.

abraxas  posted on  2009-07-16   23:04:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: abraxas (#61)

The DNA on her mom's side checks out and she always had a "feeling" that this would be so, because she also has psychic abilities to go along with her big IQ.

Ah, so she's in palo verde territory.

It's all getting clearer now.

IDon'tThinkSo  posted on  2009-07-16   23:04:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: Original_Intent (#63)

Not a peep out of her.

It's hard for her to peck out responses on her keyboard when she is suffering from crying jags ;-)

_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2009-07-16   23:06:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#67)

she's in palo verde territory

Don't be pickin' on palo verde, she was one of my favorites!! She's like that aunt who's still living in 1969 ;-)

_________________________________________________________________________
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2009-07-16   23:08:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: IDon'tThinkSo (#67)

Ah, so she's in palo verde territory.

It's all getting clearer now.

Palo is so sweet........I think even Goldi is envious of all the honey Palo spreads around LP. Marg sure is. lol.

On a number of threads, Goldi has gone on and on about her psychic abilities. It's a special gift that sets her apart from the lot of us.

abraxas  posted on  2009-07-16   23:08:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: abraxas (#61)

However, as a convert to Judaism she seems to feel compelled to be MORE Jewish than anyone else and that means no matter what fiendish crime Israel commits "it was justified" because someone threw rocks or committed suicide in desperation to get back at the oppressors.

You must have missed the thread about Goldi checking her geneology and finding that she is Jewish. The DNA on her mom's side checks out and she always had a "feeling" that this would be so, because she also has psychic abilities to go along with her big IQ.

Her conversion was simply "coming home" to where she always "knew" she belonged.

Gag! I have more Jewish blood than she does (along with Welsh, Scots-Irish, and 3 Indian Tribes), raised in a secular household, and I have zero desire to defend the criminality of Shittylittlestan. I think that galled her as much as anything - to know that I could trace my Jewish heritage back several centuries. Like most low level Zionuts she has never traced the origin of Zionism to reach the inescapable conclusiong that it is actually Rothschildism i.e., that without Rothschild money Zionism would have died as what it was - a small Jewish heresy which was rejected by virtually all mainstream Rabbis at its illegitimate inception.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-07-16   23:09:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: abraxas (#61)

You must have missed the thread about Goldi checking her geneology and finding that she is Jewish. The DNA on her mom's side checks out and she always had a "feeling" that this would be so, because she also has psychic abilities to go along with her big IQ.

Yeah she's Psychic alright - a real Psychoceramic.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-07-16   23:13:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: abraxas (#16)

NTer Tained Lurker, High Hopes and Belmontconservative got the ax this go around.......

I liked them all. High Hopes is a friend of mine. Believe it or not he's serving in the sand box right now.

Damn her to hell.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2009-07-16   23:13:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: X-15 (#68)

Not a peep out of her.

It's hard for her to peck out responses on her keyboard when she is suffering from crying jags ;-)

Drunks are notorious for that.

"I think the subject which will be of most importance politically is Mass Psychology...It's importance has been enormously increased by the growth of modern methods of propaganda...Although this science will be diligently studied, it will be rigidly confined to the governing class. The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." Bertrand Russel, Eugenicist and Logician

Original_Intent  posted on  2009-07-16   23:14:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Original_Intent (#43)

Goldi-Pox is flat a dishonest lying hypocritical whore

Gotta love that free speech.


… in the past CO2 (or water) was pumped, at some cost, into depleting oil and gas fields to get out more. This will continue, but the taxpayer will contribute to these costs as the oil companies will be paid for taking the unwanted stuff off governments emission balance sheets! No wonder the oil companies are keen on CCS…

farmfriend  posted on  2009-07-16   23:15:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: abraxas, Palo Verde (#70)

I wonder where Palo has been. She's not posted here in a few months now.

Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2009-07-16   23:15:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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