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Title: I JUST WON THE LOTTERY!!!!
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Published: Jul 17, 2009
Author: X-15
Post Date: 2009-07-17 15:55:55 by X-15
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Today I received a juror qualification questionnaire for the United States District Court, Northern District of Texas (Fort Worth)!!! One of the advisories: "If you do not submit the fully completed questionnaire within ten days, you may be summoned to report, at your expense, to complete the questionnaire at this office. If you fail to appear you may be fined $1,000, imprisoned not more than three days, ordered to perform community service, or any combination thereof." FedGov really phuked up when they sent that to me, 'cause I'm going to show up and hopefully let off some poor sap who got squeezed by FedGov!!!
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#1. To: X-15 (#0)
Go baby!!!!! Wear your best suit and answer the questions the way they want. Get on that panel. When the case goes to deliberation, dead lock the sucker. I don't give a rip what h/she did, dead lock it. There *has* to be reasonable doubt if you look hard enough. Rather than duck these opportunities, lets do the right thing.
Great. Show up in some totally mis-matched gear, keep your mouth shut, and try to appear as stupid as a WallyWorld shopper. That should guarantee your selection.
Conflicting advice on the gear...we don't want to appear too successful or bright here.
INNOCENT! :) And when the judge tells you to "obey my orders" tell him "YOU HAVE NO STANDING ASSHOLE!" and give him what the SCOTUS gave us.
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
Jury nullification TO THE MAX!!!!
_________________________________________________________________________ God Speed, X-15. : )
My dream is to get on a trial where somebody is exercising their Second Amendment rights against one of the numerous unconstitutional laws that violate the SA.
_________________________________________________________________________ That, or an IRS case. You would have a ball with either.
It has always been one of my dreams to serve as a juror on a tax case. I could either educate the rest of the jurors and turn the innocent loose or, if they refused to be educated, I could still hang 'em. Of course a good gun case would be ok too.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I, too, have that lovely dream.
I got to hang a jury once. And that was on a speeding ticket.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Are you trying to make with green with envy, James? Were the other jurors all red faced and angry? Or were you able to bring a few around to your point of view?
Outstanding!
“The blacks are very vain but in the Negroes’ way, and so talkative that they must be driven apart with thrashings.” -- Immanuel Kant “I’m apt to suspect the negroes to be naturally inferior to the whites.” -- David Hume Wheeee, break it off.
The other jurors were none too happy with me. Told me they had better things to do. I told them I could be doing other things too but if they had really important things they needed to look after they should have considered that when they were asked if there was any reason why they couldn't serve. And that I could sit there saying not guilty as long as they sat there and said guilty. I asked them if there was any one among them who never had "violated the speed limit(s)" and there wasn't one. I freely admitted that I had too and no doubt would again, but that I would not condemn someone else for doing something I did on a more or less regular basis, at least not when they had not harmed anyone. I told them that if the guy had had an accident and hurt or killed someone else or damaged the property of other people I would be the first one to vote guilty but since the state had not produced a body or injured party I had to conclude that no crime was committed and would vote accordingly. I don't know that I made any friends but I wasn't there trying to win a popularity contest.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. This is key - well done.
Thank you kindly. As Phil Collins said one time on a little bit part on Miami Vice, "I like to do my bit for law and order." ahaha.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I miss Sonny and what's his face.
crockett
Of course, thanks.
I asked lawyer how to get selected 20 years ago when I got called. I was told to wear a clean white T-Shirt and jeans. Needless to say other things interfered with my selection and I didn't get on
"America without her freedoms, is like a body without a soul" - Adam Kokesh
Everybody wants to be Crockett, nobody wants to be Tubbs
"America without her freedoms, is like a body without a soul" - Adam Kokesh
I don't know what I'll wear yet, assuming I get selected. They may have a dress code for U.S. District Court?? I'll find out later, I guess.
_________________________________________________________________________ I would have done that show for scale. You're such a role hog...
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This sounds like the first 'cattle-call.' After this you will be assigned to a specific location and court to go through voir dire and on and on. This is where you are as dumb as a box of rocks, and get chosen to serve.
Anything you say, Ricardo.
"America without her freedoms, is like a body without a soul" - Adam Kokesh
If you're really unlucky, it'll be a negro charged with a hate crime.
“The blacks are very vain but in the Negroes’ way, and so talkative that they must be driven apart with thrashings.” -- Immanuel Kant “I’m apt to suspect the negroes to be naturally inferior to the whites.” -- David Hume Thank you. I got a booklet from them years ago, I know that I become the law when in the jury deliberation room, that I can vote to throw out the law if I feel it is unjust.
_________________________________________________________________________ No, if I'm really unlucky, it'll be a negro charged with a hate crime and I'll be the only white juror :-(
_________________________________________________________________________ Dude, I showed up with long hair, Tee shirt and answered "NRA member" and BAM, I was Jury bound for 4 weeks. After 3 days of Voir Doir [sp?] I was in one of two rows left of candidates when one of the selected stood up and claimed the prosecutor gave him an "intimidating look" to get out of service. I came a rats ass from jumping up and shouting "YOU LYING SACK OF CRAP, SIT YOUR SORRY ASS DOWN!!!", he got the axe and I got seated... It was pretty cool though. When I was chatting with the prosecution and defense afterwards they agreed that the defenses task was to seat a jury that looked like they would never agree with each other and the prosecutions task was to shoot for that look but get people that would agree! Good luck X-15, I hope it's a good case. Make sure you don't post any relevant stuff on here until it's over, they could hammer you if you do.
Bring on the Depression. Bring it the F*** ON! If digging ditches and eating beans for a few years is what it takes for me to see some worthless sacks of crap bankers and politicians living in sack cloth and being spat upon by my fellow Americans well... where's my shovel?!?!
You Da MAN! Good show!
Bring on the Depression. Bring it the F*** ON! If digging ditches and eating beans for a few years is what it takes for me to see some worthless sacks of crap bankers and politicians living in sack cloth and being spat upon by my fellow Americans well... where's my shovel?!?!
I used to work with a guy who had been a Justice Department lawyer in the 1970s. Even then, they would work hard never to let a case get to the jury -- get the judge to issue a verdict, even in a jury case. Expecting jury sympathy for the IRS was too hard a sell.
A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're not talking real money
don't say nothin' else about it.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. Good show! Thank you. I wish the judges were required to tell the jurors one thing and one thing only--that they had the right to judge not only the facts in the case but whether, in their opinion, the law in question is just and reasonable. And that if they didn't believe it was they had the right and the duty to "just say no." Not that any of them will ever willingly do that but it is one of my dreams. What I have never understood is why it is always presumed that everyone knows "the law" when they are charged with violating one (or more) of what must be hundreds of thousands of "laws" on the books but is automatically assumed to be ignorant of the law when chosen to serve on a jury. Seems the government likes to have it both ways depending on what they perceive to be in the interests of the government and their revenues, etc.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I don't think you would ever find a lot of sympathy for them. I am afraid that in most cases the only way(s) the IRS gets a conviction is because of ignorance and FEAR. If more people would educate themselves and learn that the IRS is mostly bluff and balderdash they would stop fearing them and stop sending innocent people to jail as political prisoners.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Wouldn't that be legislating from the bench. Isn't that what we hate about the Supreme Court? Be careful what you wish for...
It just seem to fit the budget mess CA is going through right now.
No, it would not. It would merely be informing the jurors of another right they possess, the right to nullify unjust laws. Ever read Georgia v. Brailsford? At the time the Constitution was written, the definition of the term "jury" referred to a group of citizens empowered to judge both the law and the evidence in the case before it. Then, in the February term of 1794, the Supreme Court conducted a jury trial in the case of the State of Georgia vs. Brailsford (3 Dall 1). The instructions to the jury in the first jury trial before the Supreme Court of the United States illustrate the true power of the jury. Chief Justice John Jay said: "It is presumed, that juries are the best judges of facts; it is, on the other hand, presumed that courts are the best judges of law. But still both objects are within your power of decision." (emphasis added) "...you have a right to take it upon yourselves to judge of both, and to determine the law as well as the fact in controversy". "If a juror feels that the statute involved in any criminal offence is unfair, or that it infringes upon the defendant's natural god-given unalienable or constitutional rights, then it is his duty to affirm that the offending statute is really no law at all and that the violation of it is no crime at all, for no one is bound to obey an unjust law." -- Chief Justice Harlan F. Stone "For more than six hundred years-- that is, since Magna Carta, in 1215--there has been no clearer principle of English or American constitutional law, than that, in criminal cases, it is not only the right and duty of juries to judge what are the facts, what is the law, and what was the moral intent of the accused; but that it is also their right, and their primary and paramount duty, to judge the justice of the law, and to hold all laws invalid, that are, in their opinion, unjust or oppressive, and all persons guiltless in violating, or resisting the execution of, such law." --Lysander Spooner, The Right of Juries If the jury feels the law is unjust, we recognize the undisputed power of the jury to acquit, even if its verdict is contrary to the law as given by a judge, and contrary to the evidence. -- 4th Circuit Court of Appeals, US v Moylan, 1969 Every jury in the land is tampered with and falsely instructed by the judge when it is told that it must accept as the law that which has been given to them, or that they can decide only the facts of the case. -- Lord Denham, O'Connell v Rex (1884) The jury has the power to bring in a verdict in the teeth of both the law and the facts. -- Justice Holmes, Homing v District of Columbia, 138 (1920) It is not only the juror's right, but his duty, to find the verdict according to his own best understanding, judgment and conscience, though in direct opposition to the directions of the court.-- John Adams Excerpts taken from What lawyers & judges won't tell you about juries
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Well now that is a different matter. I misunderstood what you were advocating I guess.
I must have just skimmed your post, I missed that part. In that case I would agree.
I just opened my juror summons for Tarrant County: "You are hereby notified to appear in the Central Jury Room to serve as a juror in the civil or criminal courts of Tarrant County." This is separate from the Federal District system, so I could get lucky twice this year!!
_________________________________________________________________________ Dang - maybe you should spend two bucks on our Lotto (self-imposed taxes for losers).
The database was last updated on Feb 26 2010 07:03PM And Now, The Rest Of The Story: I've been checking-in online the past two weeks, I've been on-call for possible jury duty. I'm really disappointed that I didn't have to go downtown (Fort Worth) and participate in a federal trial.
_________________________________________________________________________ demand the hacks from the IRS display all tax law WRT case in court, and I don't mean any of the crap "the code says" make them set up an overhead projector and physically read the code in context. on the bright side they won't have to dim the lights of the court room 'cause you and I know they don't have the law.
I used to work with a DOJ attorney who handled tax cases. He said if they couldn't get the judge to issue a directed verdict, they knew the case was lost.
he who wants bread is the servant of the man that will feed him, if a man thus feeds a whole people, they are under his control.
Keep it to yourself until jury deliberation phase, act like a compliant dupe until then is my advice. I'm angry that they use words like imprisoned and fined right off the bat, I thought the self-declared purpose of government was to secure the rights of citizens?
“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft
Voir Dire
he who wants bread is the servant of the man that will feed him, if a man thus feeds a whole people, they are under his control.
see my Post #45 above, I'm done :(
_________________________________________________________________________ Now here is an example of where a person should not comment until they read the article first. lol
Has martial law been discreetly declared in Ireland? http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0114/garda.html "The Emergency Response Unit have been deployed at checkpoints in Dublin over the coming weeks as part of a garda initiative against gang-related crime." But you'll still have to pay the fine for not showing up, no doubt. Give it a few years...
“we were respected as the most disinterested and charitable nation in the world.” - Robert A. Taft
Indeed, when I least expect it and it's most inconvenient...
_________________________________________________________________________ Most, most interesting. Thanks.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yeah, that seems to be the case. I have never heard of any case where the people demanded to be shown the law where they showed any interest in doing so.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
#2. To: X-15 (#0)
#3. To: All, (#2)
#4. To: X-15 (#0)
#5. To: IndieTX (#4)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#6. To: X-15 (#0)
FedGov really phuked up when they sent that to me, 'cause I'm going to show up and hopefully let off some poor sap who got squeezed by FedGov!!!
#7. To: Jethro Tull (#1)
Rather than duck these opportunities, lets do the right thing.
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#8. To: X-15 (#7)
My dream is to get on a trial where somebody is exercising their Second Amendment rights against one of the numerous unconstitutional laws that violate the SA.
#9. To: lodwick (#8)
That, or an IRS case. You would have a ball with either.
Lord Acton
#10. To: James Deffenbach, lodwick (#9)
It has always been one of my dreams to serve as a juror on a tax case. I could either educate the rest of the jurors and turn the innocent loose or, if they refused to be educated, I could still hang 'em. Of course a good gun case would be ok too.
#11. To: abraxas (#10)
Lord Acton
#12. To: James Deffenbach (#11)
I got to hang a jury once. And that was on a speeding ticket.
#13. To: X-15 (#0)
#14. To: X-15 (#0)
some poor sap who got squeezed by FedGov!!!
#15. To: abraxas (#12)
Lord Acton
#16. To: James Deffenbach (#15)
... but since the state had not produced a body or injured party I had to conclude that no crime was committed and would vote accordingly.
#17. To: lodwick (#16)
Lord Acton
#18. To: James Deffenbach (#17)
As Phil Collins said one time on a little bit part on Miami Vice, "I like to do my bit for law and order."
#19. To: lodwick (#18)
#20. To: Jethro Tull (#19)
#21. To: lodwick, Jethro Tull, X-15 (#3)
.we don't want to appear too successful or bright here.
#22. To: lodwick (#18)
I miss Sonny and what's his face.
#23. To: Flintlock (#21)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#24. To: Flintlock (#22)
#25. To: X-15 (#0)
#26. To: X-15 (#23)
#27. To: Dakmar (#24)
You're such a role hog...
#28. To: X-15 (#0)
#29. To: Itistoolate (#25)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#30. To: Prefrontal Vortex (#28)
If you're really unlucky, it'll be a negro charged with a hate crime.
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#31. To: Jethro Tull, X-15 (#1)
#32. To: James Deffenbach (#15)
#33. To: James Deffenbach, lodwick (#9)
#34. To: X-15 (#23)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#35. To: Axenolith (#32)
You Da MAN!
Lord Acton
#36. To: DeaconBenjamin (#33)
Expecting jury sympathy for the IRS was too hard a sell.
Lord Acton
#37. To: James Deffenbach, Axenolith (#35)
Thank you. I wish the judges were required to tell the jurors one thing and one thing only--that they had the right to judge not only the facts in the case but whether, in their opinion, the law in question is just and reasonable. And that if they didn't believe it was they had the right and the duty to "just say no." Not that any of them will ever willingly do that but it is one of my dreams.
Mirrors on the ceiling, The pink champagne on ice, And she said 'We are all just prisoners here, of our own device', And in the master's chambers, They gathered for the feast, They stab it with their steely knives, But they just can't kill the beast - Hotel California, The Eagles
#38. To: farmfriend. all (#37)
...some dance to remember, some dance to forget -
#39. To: lodwick (#38)
Mirrors on the ceiling, The pink champagne on ice, And she said 'We are all just prisoners here, of our own device', And in the master's chambers, They gathered for the feast, They stab it with their steely knives, But they just can't kill the beast - Hotel California, The Eagles
#40. To: farmfriend (#37)
Wouldn't that be legislating from the bench.
Lord Acton
#41. To: James Deffenbach (#40)
It would merely be informing the jurors of another right they possess, the right to nullify unjust laws.
Mirrors on the ceiling, The pink champagne on ice, And she said 'We are all just prisoners here, of our own device', And in the master's chambers, They gathered for the feast, They stab it with their steely knives, But they just can't kill the beast - Hotel California, The Eagles
#42. To: James Deffenbach (#35)
judges were required to tell the jurors
Mirrors on the ceiling, The pink champagne on ice, And she said 'We are all just prisoners here, of our own device', And in the master's chambers, They gathered for the feast, They stab it with their steely knives, But they just can't kill the beast - Hotel California, The Eagles
#43. To: All (#0)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#44. To: X-15 (#43)
#45. To: All (#0)
Your jury service for this term has ended. You are no longer required to report or check for instructions. We thank you for serving as a juror in the United States District Court.
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#46. To: James Deffenbach (#9)
computer counted ballots are ballots that have been counted in secret, and with all probability not the way one voted.
#47. To: Lod (#8)
#48. To: X-15 (#0)
(Edited)
I'm going to show up and hopefully let off some poor sap who got squeezed by FedGov!!!
#49. To: Axenolith (#31)
After 3 days of Voir Doir
#50. To: Dakmar (#48)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#51. To: X-15 (#0)
I JUST WON THE LOTTERY!!!!
#52. To: X-15 (#50)
see my Post #45 above, I'm done
#53. To: Dakmar (#52)
"This man is Jesus,” shouted one man, spilling his Guinness as Barack Obama began his inaugural address. “When will he come to Kenya to save us?”
-Schweizerische Schuetzenzeitung (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#54. To: DeaconBenjamin (#47)
I used to work with a DOJ attorney who handled tax cases. He said if they couldn't get the judge to issue a directed verdict, they knew the case was lost.
#55. To: X-15 (#7)
(Edited)
Lord Acton
#56. To: IRTorqued (#46)
demand the hacks from the IRS display all tax law WRT case in court, and I don't mean any of the crap "the code says" make them set up an overhead projector and physically read the code in context. on the bright side they won't have to dim the lights of the court room 'cause you and I know they don't have the law.
Lord Acton
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