Title: 'I saw Satan as Baraq Ubamah.' Did Jesus actually reveal name of the 'antichrist'? Source:
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For centuries, many have wondered about the identity of a biblical leader who will do Satan the devil's bidding, trying to thwart the plans of Jesus Christ shortly before His prophesied return to Earth.
That character has come to be known as "the antichrist," even though the Bible never uses that word to describe any single person.
Now, after endless speculation suggesting Presidents John F. Kennedy, Franklin Roosevelt, Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush could possibly by the End Times Bad Boy, there's a new viral video placing the current occupant of the White House into the club.
An American Christian has produced a brief film for YouTube that connects one statement by Jesus in the Gospel of Luke to President Barack Obama.
His 4-minute video focuses on the direct quote: "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven." (Luke 10:18)
"When I started doing a little research, I found the Greek word for 'lightning' is 'astrape', and the Hebrew equivalent is 'Baraq,'" said YouTube contributor "ppsimmons," a self-described Christian with a theological education and many years in the ministry, who spoke to WND under condition of anonymity. "I thought that was fascinating."
As he continued looking into the rest of the words in the phrase, he focused on "heaven," and found that it can refer not just to God's dwelling place, but also "the heights" or "high places."
He then recalled Isaiah 14:14, where Lucifer, another name for Satan, is quoted as saying, "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High."
"I wondered what the word 'heights' is," said ppsimmons, "and I looked it up in the dictionary, and it's 'Bamah.'"
Thus, on the video, the announcer notes, "If spoken by a Jewish rabbi today, influenced by the poetry of Isaiah, He (Jesus) would say these words in Hebrew ... 'I saw Satan as Baraq Ubamah.'"
"Gosh, was Jesus giving us a clue or was this just a freak coincidence?" thought the filmmaker at the time of his research.
"I want to emphasize I'm not ashamed of what I put there," he told WND. "I'm not proclaiming he is the antichrist, or that I'm some kind of a Hebrew expert, but the word associations are indisputable. The Hebrew word for lightning is 'Baraq' and the word for heights or high places is 'Bamah.'"
The movie has a prominent disclaimer stressing the film does not declare "BHO" [Barack Hussein Obama] to be the antichrist, but is merely pointing out the Hebrew words and their "striking" correlations to Jesus' statement.
Obama is far from being the first public figure to have his identity tied to Bible prophecy. For instance, President Reagan was considered by some to be a potential merely because each of his names – Ronald Wilson Reagan – has six letters, prompting some to think of 666, the "number of the beast" in the Book of Revelation.
Modern books such as "Naming the Antichrist: The History of an American Obsession" and "Antichrist: Two Thousand Years of the Human Fascination with Evil" have chronicled a wide variety of other suspects including Henry Kissinger, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Italy's Benito Mussolini, Juan Carlos of Spain, Israel's Moshe Dayan, Egypt's Anwar Sadat, the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, Elvis Presley and ex-Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, perhaps for his famous birthmark on his head that some thought could be "the mark" of the beast mentioned in Revelation.
When WND asked if people should take the video seriously or with a grain of salt, its producer said, "I take the middle road. I don't take it with a grain of salt, but I don't use the Bible like a Ouija board either. It's not like a magical crystal ball. Clear prophecy is one thing. Making word associations is another. Just look at it. I wouldn't take it super serious and say that's the proof we need. It's a little weird."
With the video posted now in several locations on YouTube and more than 75,000 total views, there has been plenty of reaction, with comments such as:
* Anyone who knows multiple languages, which I do, and attempts to translate from one to the other knows that some meaning and inflection is lost in the translation. Here, we're translating three times: from Aramaic to Greek, and Greek to English, and English to Hebrew. A lot to be lost.
* If I went through thousands and thousands of pieces of text about the devil (the whole bible!), I could find things to say [Fox News anchor] Glenn Beck is the antichrist.
* It was Michael Jackson. No wait. It was George Bush. No wait. It was Paris Hilton! What the [expletive] is wrong with you people? Grow up. I bet you don't worship the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy, too. Do you?
...YouTube contributor "ppsimmons," a self-described Christian with a theological education and many years in the ministry, who spoke to WND under condition of anonymity.
Mmmm...yes, I can see why he would remain anonymous.
Let's examine Isaiah 14 in context to determine who is being described.
Isa 14:2-28 KJV And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors. (3) And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve, (4) That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! (5) The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers. (6) He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth. (7) The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing. (8) Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us. (9) Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. (10) All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? (11) Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. (12) How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! (13) For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: (14) I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. (15) Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. (16) They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; (17) That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? (18) All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. (19) But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. (20) Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned. (21) Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. (22) For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD. (23) I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts. (24) The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand: (25) That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders. (26) This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations. (27) For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back? (28) In the year that king Ahaz died was this burden.
Quite obviously, it is the kings of Babylon, the superpower of the ancient world and oppressor of the Jews (and everyone else) who are described. The Catholics no longer deliberately mistranslate this passage but there are a lot of charismaniacs and Baptists and evangelicals who continue to misuse it, following along the old Catholic fraudulent readings. To a large degree, this is a carryover of the prophetic commentary in the Scofield Bibles, widely circulated in America starting 100 years ago.
The "Lucifer" described in Isaiah 14 was a mocking title for the king of Babylon, a reference to the planet Venus which was commonly called the morning star in ancient times. The title referred to the ambition of the Babylonian kings who desired to have power and glory comparable to God. One can find references in the Old Testament not only to lucifer (Venus) but also to lucifers which means other morning stars and/or planets. This was an era in which astrology played a very large part in the lives of the peoples of the Babylonian empire, even the Jews.
Luke 10 is a passage where Jesus continues somewhat the passage in Isaiah (demonstrating yet again his familiarity with scripture) but molds the message to assure His disciples that they shall prevail over Satan as the current prince of Earth.
The planet Venus is more distinctly referred to in Isa_14:12 : “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!” (the King James Version). The word here rendered Lucifer, that is, “light-bearer,” is the word helel corresponding to the Assyrian mustelil, “the shining star,” an epithet to which the planet Venus has a preëminent claim. Mars and Mercury, the two remaining planets, are not mentioned as such in Old Testament, but the deities connected with them, Nergal = Mars (2Ki_17:30) and Nebo = Mercury (Isa_46:1), both occur.
Interesting bits from ISBE. ISBE has a detailed discussion of all these different ancient systems of astrology and ties some of the references in the OT and in other Jewish writings and in the writings from other sources to these ancient systems.
In ancient times, astrology was important, to an extent I think we can scarcely grasp in the modern era. Of course, it's still hooey but we have to recognize its influence to understand many many passages of scripture.
I'm not quite sure what to make of this. I have a tendency to believe he is right, because I've checked (hard) to make sure he was right about other things.
FWIW it's about the only site I've been to that is worth it. And i've been to many...
This fellow updated this movie last night. I watched it, but I was tired and it was either me, or the thing was less clear. I'll try to watch it again later when I get my computer cleaned up or it crashes, whichever comes first.
I wanted to thank you for that link. I had seen that site before...I remembered the article IN THE DAY OF THE GREAT SLAUGHTER, THE DAY THE TOWERS FELL, but I remember it as being very short, as it was within days of 9/11. I just started reading it again, skimming it only because my computer is dragging and I'm trying to get to the point where I can shut it down and reboot.
I see he, too, recognizes America as the New Israel. Everyone always used to say how blessed America was. America was blessed because her God was the LORD [Psalm 33:12], until she let the Jews sneak in and DEFILE her [Micah 4:11]. I HIGHLY recommend everyone read this. He doesn't seem to see the hidden at hand at work: US GOVT., CITY OF LONDON, AND ISRAEL, but then I suspect this was written several years ago, and hardly anyone knew the truth about 9/11. I knew it was an inside job [US GOVT.] seconds before the Pentagon blew up, but I didn't know about Israel and the UK, yet, either.
PLEASE, EVERYONE, READ THIS. THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST IN 1607 AT CAPE HENRY, VIRGINIA WITH THE FIRST VIRGINIA CHARTER AND THE CROSS THAT WAS PLANTED IN HIS NAME. WE ARE ISRAEL RESTORED, AND THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY NEED TO PUT THEIR TRUST IN JESUS CHRIST, NOT IN HORSES AND CHARIOTS, AND PRAY THIS "MOUNTAIN" BE THROWN INTO THE SEA, AND THAT HE, GOD, WILL BE OUR "WALL OF FIRE" IN THE DESTRUCTION THEY HAVE PLANNED FOR US [ZECHARIAH 2:5]:
If someone could post it, bolded words and all, that would be great.
Another comment.
I posted this "Obama is the AntiChrist" at the "Comet Lulin" 4um thread [The American Economy is Not Coming Back.....because God has a new role for us, after He brings us through this: Rev. 5:9-10].
Under "Lucifer is a Hoax":
".....here we have a whole city being thrown down from heaven to hades, their grave. And so it is with the King of Babylon whose "pomp is brought down to the grave" (Isa. 14:11). These two Scriptures are exact parallel thoughts.
Now then, back to "lucifer." Just what is the Hebrew word found in the manuscripts that the translators turned into the Latin word Lucifer? It is very interesting. All of you with a Strong’s Concordance, look up this word Lucifer. Right after the word Lucifer we are given a definition before we ever go to the Dictionary to find the meaning. Here is what you will find: Lucifer (lu’sif-ur) {1} Title applied to king of Babylon.
Clearly the editor of Strong’s Concordance realized that this word (whatever it means) is to be applied to the "king of Babylon," and NOT TO SATAN THE DEVIL!
We are told that the word in question is Strong’s #1966 which is heylel, from 1984 [halal] (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star:--Lucifer.
What a web of deceit is woven in this "light-bringing-brightness-morning-star-Lucifer" theory. This word "Lucifer" appears no other place in Scripture. Was Satan ever spoken of as a "light-bringing perfect archangel"? No. What saith the Scriptures?
"And no marvel; for Satan himself is TRANSFORMED into an angel of light" (II Cor. 11:14).
Satan is NOT an angel of light, neither has he ever been! It is the "false apostles, DECEITFUL workers" Ver 13, that DECEIVE people into believing lies. Satan appears as an angel of light to the world; he is transformed into an angel of light, but it is an illusion, it is not true, it is a deception!
Paul expels any such theory that Satan knows anything about "light":
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against power, against the RULERS OF THE DARKNESS of this world" (Eph. 6:12).
Rev. 16:10 is but the continuation of the same Babylonian beast that we read about in Isa. 14:
"and the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast [Babylon] and his kingdom was FULL OF DARKNESS…"
So what is this heylel/halal of Isa. 14:12? Here is the problem—too many translations of previous translations without checking the Hebrew manuscripts first.
Lucifer is the Latin Vulgate translation of the word "xosphoruos" in the Septuagint, which is a Greek version of the Hebrew of Isaiah 14:12, which the King James translators then translated over into the English as "Lucifer."
The Latin and the Greek, as well as a supposed form of a "Hebrew" word in verse 12 mean "bright shiner" or "shining one." The problem is, however, that Isa.14:12 was not written in Latin or Greek, but Hebrew. And I assure you that "lucifer" is not a Hebrew word, nor is it an English translation of a Hebrew word. Lucifer is Latin, and is related to a group of Latin derived English words including lucid, luciferin and luciferose, as we saw defined above, all of which suggest brightness or shining. Likewise xosphoros in the Greek derived English words such as, fluorescence and phosphorescence.
But, there seems to be no Hebrew or Aramaic text in which there is a word in this verse to correspond. What we find in all such texts is the word "hehlehl,’ eill, which is a form of the Hebrew stem "yah-lahl," ill. And what is the meaning of "ill"? Are you ready? It means HOWL. That’s right, "Lucifer" turns out to be nothing more than a "howl" (maybe of ‘hot air’)!
It has been suggested that the translators of the Septuagint (Hebrew into Greek) could have overlooked the smallest of the Hebrew letters or been using a copy in which it had been inadvertently omitted. Thus if the form of the world eill, as it occurs in this particular text, were shortened to ell its meaning would be derived from a different root, in fact would be itself a different root, and the sense given in the Septuagint and the Vulgate would be at least understandable, with one giant exception. There is still absolutely no reason or rule of grammar for turning this word into a personal name! It could possibly mean "a shining one," but not a personal name such as "Lucifer." Doubtless the translators followed the Vulgate as they did in most of their translating.
Even such an eminent translator as Rotherham seemed to follow the Septuagint in this verse, however, from his comments within parenthesis, it is clear that he was fully aware of the fact that whatever this word meant, it was referring to none other than the context of these verses which is Babylon and not Satan:
"How has thou (Babylon—see context) fallen from heaven, O Shining One (O howl)—Son of the Dawn! (Babylon conspicuous as Venus). Hewn down to the earth, O crusher of nations."
Clearly the reference is to Babylon and none other. It was Babylon which was exalted to heaven (as conspicuous as Venus, the brightest star of the morning) in her wealth, power, and glory. Yet just as Capernaum, God says she is brought down to the earth, the one who was a "crusher of nations."
Next I will list the King James renderings of the word that is found in the "Hebrew" texts and transliterations of its various forms in every occurrence in the entire KJV Bible. Now you can be the judge. In all Hebrew or Aramaic texts of Isa. 14:12, the only word found is "heh-lehl," eill, which is a form of the Hebrew stem "yah-lahl," ill, meaning howl. Here is Kittel’s Hebrew Text for the Hebrew Stem ill—"yah-lahl"—HOWL:......."
Note Isaiah 65:14 is one of the passages he lists:
[NIV version because I don't have a KJV handy, and am dragging too slowly to dare try to pull it up]:
14 My servants will sing out of the joy of their hearts, but YOU will cry out from anguish of heart and WAIL [HOWL] in brokenness of spirit. [Think WAILING/HOWLING WALL.]
15 [KJV because I know it by heart] You will leave your name for a curse unto my chosen, for the LORD God shall slay thee, and call His servants by another name.
There are TWO Israels in Isaiah 65: one CURSED, and one BLESSED. It should be obvious by now which is which:
16 Whoever invokes a blessing in the land will do so by the GOD OF TRUTH; [Jesus: I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE]; he who takes an oath in the land will swear by the God of truth [three words: KOL NIDRE OATH]....
I find the "HOWL" thing intriguing because there is a mystery ROAR FROM OUTER SPACE, according to NASA. Knowing THE LION [Jesus] WILL ROAR, I have listened to it, but didn't know what to make of it. I hate to say it, but it sounded kind of creepy, more like a moan, or possibly a HOWL. I still am unsure what to make of it, and NASA might even be lying, but after reading this, I was reminded that the DEVIL also ROARS, seeking whom he may devour. He is probably howling right about now, knowing his time is very, very short.
Thanks again for posting that link.
I am going to try to post a new article that seeks to debunk this Obama as Antichrist thing. Antichrist in the Bible is ANYONE who rejects Christ. Obama is related to most of the Presidents and the British Monarchy and Charlemagne and a host of other ANTICHRIST people. He could be the CHIEF PRINCE of them all, a title that could have fit Clinton and Bush as well, and since time is so short, maybe he is "THE Antichrist".....I don't know.
I'm not surprised. Arminian theology always ends in incoherent conclusions.
Those wacky armenians.
It's good to start the morning with a laugh!
It's interesting, and sickening, that most people think it's either being forever burned to a crisp and being run through with pitchforks, and being generally tortured for trillions and trillions of millenia or you get away with everything.
You seem to be another one that thinks torture is OK. You a calvinist? If your "god" can do it, why can't you? Be an imitator of your "god", right??? Be perfect even as He is perfect??? Torture is perfect, right??? It's "perfect justice", right???