Title: 'I saw Satan as Baraq Ubamah.' Did Jesus actually reveal name of the 'antichrist'? Source:
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For centuries, many have wondered about the identity of a biblical leader who will do Satan the devil's bidding, trying to thwart the plans of Jesus Christ shortly before His prophesied return to Earth.
That character has come to be known as "the antichrist," even though the Bible never uses that word to describe any single person.
Now, after endless speculation suggesting Presidents John F. Kennedy, Franklin Roosevelt, Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush could possibly by the End Times Bad Boy, there's a new viral video placing the current occupant of the White House into the club.
An American Christian has produced a brief film for YouTube that connects one statement by Jesus in the Gospel of Luke to President Barack Obama.
His 4-minute video focuses on the direct quote: "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven." (Luke 10:18)
"When I started doing a little research, I found the Greek word for 'lightning' is 'astrape', and the Hebrew equivalent is 'Baraq,'" said YouTube contributor "ppsimmons," a self-described Christian with a theological education and many years in the ministry, who spoke to WND under condition of anonymity. "I thought that was fascinating."
As he continued looking into the rest of the words in the phrase, he focused on "heaven," and found that it can refer not just to God's dwelling place, but also "the heights" or "high places."
He then recalled Isaiah 14:14, where Lucifer, another name for Satan, is quoted as saying, "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High."
"I wondered what the word 'heights' is," said ppsimmons, "and I looked it up in the dictionary, and it's 'Bamah.'"
Thus, on the video, the announcer notes, "If spoken by a Jewish rabbi today, influenced by the poetry of Isaiah, He (Jesus) would say these words in Hebrew ... 'I saw Satan as Baraq Ubamah.'"
"Gosh, was Jesus giving us a clue or was this just a freak coincidence?" thought the filmmaker at the time of his research.
"I want to emphasize I'm not ashamed of what I put there," he told WND. "I'm not proclaiming he is the antichrist, or that I'm some kind of a Hebrew expert, but the word associations are indisputable. The Hebrew word for lightning is 'Baraq' and the word for heights or high places is 'Bamah.'"
The movie has a prominent disclaimer stressing the film does not declare "BHO" [Barack Hussein Obama] to be the antichrist, but is merely pointing out the Hebrew words and their "striking" correlations to Jesus' statement.
Obama is far from being the first public figure to have his identity tied to Bible prophecy. For instance, President Reagan was considered by some to be a potential merely because each of his names – Ronald Wilson Reagan – has six letters, prompting some to think of 666, the "number of the beast" in the Book of Revelation.
Modern books such as "Naming the Antichrist: The History of an American Obsession" and "Antichrist: Two Thousand Years of the Human Fascination with Evil" have chronicled a wide variety of other suspects including Henry Kissinger, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Italy's Benito Mussolini, Juan Carlos of Spain, Israel's Moshe Dayan, Egypt's Anwar Sadat, the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, Elvis Presley and ex-Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, perhaps for his famous birthmark on his head that some thought could be "the mark" of the beast mentioned in Revelation.
When WND asked if people should take the video seriously or with a grain of salt, its producer said, "I take the middle road. I don't take it with a grain of salt, but I don't use the Bible like a Ouija board either. It's not like a magical crystal ball. Clear prophecy is one thing. Making word associations is another. Just look at it. I wouldn't take it super serious and say that's the proof we need. It's a little weird."
With the video posted now in several locations on YouTube and more than 75,000 total views, there has been plenty of reaction, with comments such as:
* Anyone who knows multiple languages, which I do, and attempts to translate from one to the other knows that some meaning and inflection is lost in the translation. Here, we're translating three times: from Aramaic to Greek, and Greek to English, and English to Hebrew. A lot to be lost.
* If I went through thousands and thousands of pieces of text about the devil (the whole bible!), I could find things to say [Fox News anchor] Glenn Beck is the antichrist.
* It was Michael Jackson. No wait. It was George Bush. No wait. It was Paris Hilton! What the [expletive] is wrong with you people? Grow up. I bet you don't worship the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy, too. Do you?
1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
More than a dozen lawmakers attended a congressional reception this year honoring the Rev. Sun Myung Moon in which Moon declared himself the Messiah and said his teachings have helped Hitler and Stalin be "reborn as new persons."
At the March 23 ceremony in the Dirksen Senate Office Building, Rep. Danny K. Davis (D-Ill.) wore white gloves and carried a pillow holding an ornate crown that was placed on Moon's head. The Korean-born businessman and religious leader then delivered a long speech saying he was "sent to Earth . . . to save the world's six billion people. . . . Emperors, kings and presidents . . . have declared to all Heaven and Earth that Reverend Sun Myung Moon is none other than humanity's Savior, Messiah, Returning Lord and True Parent."
As a shining symbol of democracy, the U.S. Capitol is not ordinarily a place where coronations occur. So news that the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, the eccentric and exceedingly wealthy Korean- born businessman, donned a crown in a Senate office building and declared himself the Messiah while members of Congress watched is causing a bit of a stir.
One congressman, Rep. Danny K. Davis, D-Ill., wore white gloves and carried a pillow holding one of two ornate gold crowns that were placed on the heads of Moon and his wife, Dr. Hak Ja Han Moon, at the ceremony, which took place March 23 and capped a reception billed as a peace awards banquet.
...YouTube contributor "ppsimmons," a self-described Christian with a theological education and many years in the ministry, who spoke to WND under condition of anonymity.
Mmmm...yes, I can see why he would remain anonymous.
Let's examine Isaiah 14 in context to determine who is being described.
Isa 14:2-28 KJV And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors. (3) And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve, (4) That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! (5) The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers. (6) He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth. (7) The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing. (8) Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us. (9) Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. (10) All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? (11) Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. (12) How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! (13) For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: (14) I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. (15) Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. (16) They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; (17) That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? (18) All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. (19) But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. (20) Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned. (21) Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. (22) For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD. (23) I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts. (24) The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand: (25) That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders. (26) This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations. (27) For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back? (28) In the year that king Ahaz died was this burden.
Quite obviously, it is the kings of Babylon, the superpower of the ancient world and oppressor of the Jews (and everyone else) who are described. The Catholics no longer deliberately mistranslate this passage but there are a lot of charismaniacs and Baptists and evangelicals who continue to misuse it, following along the old Catholic fraudulent readings. To a large degree, this is a carryover of the prophetic commentary in the Scofield Bibles, widely circulated in America starting 100 years ago.
The "Lucifer" described in Isaiah 14 was a mocking title for the king of Babylon, a reference to the planet Venus which was commonly called the morning star in ancient times. The title referred to the ambition of the Babylonian kings who desired to have power and glory comparable to God. One can find references in the Old Testament not only to lucifer (Venus) but also to lucifers which means other morning stars and/or planets. This was an era in which astrology played a very large part in the lives of the peoples of the Babylonian empire, even the Jews.
Luke 10 is a passage where Jesus continues somewhat the passage in Isaiah (demonstrating yet again his familiarity with scripture) but molds the message to assure His disciples that they shall prevail over Satan as the current prince of Earth.
Build a fire for a politician/bankster/pig and he will be warm for a day. Set a politician/bankster/pig on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life.
You can find the good angels referred to in Job 38:7 as morning stars and find Jesus called the bright and morning star in Rev 22:16 (as you probably know).
I'm searching my references and cannot find the other Hebrew word used in plural to designate the stars that appear(ed) at dawn in ancient times in the Babylonian empire. I'm looking at ISBE and other sources and not finding the passage I'm after.
I'll keep looking. I researched this a few years back when a local preacher waded through Isaiah 10, repeating the most ignorant stuff you ever heard. I think I sent an email to a friend about it and I'll try to recover that if I can find it. So far no luck finding it! But it might be on my old computer.
The planet Venus is more distinctly referred to in Isa_14:12 : “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!” (the King James Version). The word here rendered Lucifer, that is, “light-bearer,” is the word helel corresponding to the Assyrian mustelil, “the shining star,” an epithet to which the planet Venus has a preëminent claim. Mars and Mercury, the two remaining planets, are not mentioned as such in Old Testament, but the deities connected with them, Nergal = Mars (2Ki_17:30) and Nebo = Mercury (Isa_46:1), both occur.
Interesting bits from ISBE. ISBE has a detailed discussion of all these different ancient systems of astrology and ties some of the references in the OT and in other Jewish writings and in the writings from other sources to these ancient systems.
In ancient times, astrology was important, to an extent I think we can scarcely grasp in the modern era. Of course, it's still hooey but we have to recognize its influence to understand many many passages of scripture.
'I saw Satan as Baraq Ubamah.' Did Jesus actually reveal name of the 'antichrist'?
Did you ever consider the possibility that this propaganda was created so as to give the rest of the world an excuse to commit genocide against the U.S. population?
Did you ever consider the possibility that this propaganda was created so as to give the rest of the world an excuse to commit genocide against the U.S. population?
After the crap we've pulled around the world, you think they really need an excuse?
I'm surprised they haven't acted against us already.
After the crap we've pulled around the world, you think they really need an excuse?
Well 50 years of anti-american journalism by the press has not helped matters.
Some people don't think things through. They wish for all the ills of the world on the U.S. They don't realize that such beliefs would only end in the genocide of the U.S. population.
After the crap we've pulled around the world, you think they really need an excuse?
Well 50 years of anti-american journalism by the press has not helped matters.
Some people don't think things through. They wish for all the ills of the world on the U.S. They don't realize that such beliefs would only end in the genocide of the U.S. population.
So are you stating that you believe that the "crap we've pulled around the world" that TooConservative is referring to is nothing more than "50 years of anti-american journalism by the press?"
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
I'm not quite sure what to make of this. I have a tendency to believe he is right, because I've checked (hard) to make sure he was right about other things.
FWIW it's about the only site I've been to that is worth it. And i've been to many...
Build a fire for a politician/bankster/pig and he will be warm for a day. Set a politician/bankster/pig on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life.
So are you stating that you believe that the "crap we've pulled around the world" that TooConservative is referring to is nothing more than "50 years of anti-american journalism by the press?"
Do not put words in my mouth.
What it I did was state other factors that are not being taking into account. And how these factors can lead to worse situations.
Well, kind of myth that circulated among the early church fathers.
OTOH, you have an ancient bishop, born of Christian parents, who was Bishop Lucifer, certainly a strange name for Christians to give their Christian son if Lucifer was always and only a name for Satan, eh?
Some of this gets mixed up with the ancient ideas that princes and kings were morning stars and bringers of light. Yes, they loved big-gooberment in those days as well. So this idea of princes or kings of Babylon being like the morning star and of ridiculing them for trying to be equal with God (Tower of Babel, anyone?) is all sort of tied together in ancient astrology and mythology and the various types of divination in this period.
It really is something that modern Westerners fail to grasp because it is all so incredibly mixed together and yet unbelievably stupid.
And it was the KJV translators that followed the Vulgate in using the word 'Lucifer'. And I'm quite sure they knew better than that; they were superb scholars. However, they followed the conventions of earlier bibles like Tyndale and the Vulgate to gain acceptance, not because of the accuracy. You see this today where many bibles translated from the Alexandrian line will still use the readings of the KJV even though there is nothing in their manuscripts or their underlying Greek amalgam texts that can justify those words; it's simply done to help them gain acceptance. Bible reading is a pretty conservative tradition apparently.
I wasn't putting words into your mouth. I asked you a question in order to better understand what it is you were saying. IMHO, if one is unsure of where another person is coming from, it is better to ask for clarification than to assume that you know what that person means.
What it I did was state other factors that are not being taking into account. And how these factors can lead to worse situations.
Thank you for the clarification.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
The purpose of the legal system is to protect the elites from the wrath of those they plunder.- Elliott Jackalope
IMHO, if one is unsure of where another person is coming from, it is better to ask for clarification than to assume that you know what that person means.
The answer is I don't trust the press. The press has an agenda, for the last several decades, to harm the U.S. population. They are bigots towards the U.S. population.
Build a fire for a politician/bankster/pig and he will be warm for a day. Set a politician/bankster/pig on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life.
Isa 14:2-28 KJV And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors. .....
Quite obviously, it is the kings of Babylon, the superpower of the ancient world and oppressor of the Jews (and everyone else) who are described.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the House of Israel didn't go to Babylon in the ancient world....the tribes of Judah and Benjamin did. The House of Israel went into Assyria.
I think Isaiah 14 is a prophecy for the "House of Israel" today, and the King of Babylon/Lucifer referred to is Satan's last tool against the "House of Israel" [and could very well be Obama]. The House of Israel today is the church, particularly the church in America, and we have "gone to Babylon" [ bible.cc/micah/4-10.htm , bible.cc/zechariah/2-7.htm ], as we are living under the Babylonian Talmud:
The Ultimate Delusion By: Stephen Ames. Queen Elizabeth controls and has amended U.S. .... It explains how the Babylonian Talmud became the law of the land, ... Now before you scream that the UCC is unconstitutional I'm sorry people, ... www.theforbiddenknowledge...uth/ultimate_delusion.htm
I'm not disagreeing with everything you are saying, but am trying to get some things straight. I posted this Obama as Satan thing a while back, and am now almost sorry I did it.
My personal belief is that "antiChrist" refers to ALL who deny Christ. Obama is related to Bush and Cheney, and most of the other Presidents, and the British Monarchy, and Charlemagne, and a whole host of antiChrist people. If there were to be a FINAL antiChrist, I thought Clinton, and then Bush, would all be good candidates. Is Obama the final "one"? I wouldn't have a hard time believing it, but there is more here, that I am still checking out, and have been since the other day, when someone else posted a similar thread. But, I also think it very possible this is what the PTB WANT us to think, and therefore I think it very possible that THEY are the ones putting this out there, for their final battle against the church.
[written yesterday]
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speechhttp://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
This fellow updated this movie last night. I watched it, but I was tired and it was either me, or the thing was less clear. I'll try to watch it again later when I get my computer cleaned up or it crashes, whichever comes first.
I wanted to thank you for that link. I had seen that site before...I remembered the article IN THE DAY OF THE GREAT SLAUGHTER, THE DAY THE TOWERS FELL, but I remember it as being very short, as it was within days of 9/11. I just started reading it again, skimming it only because my computer is dragging and I'm trying to get to the point where I can shut it down and reboot.
I see he, too, recognizes America as the New Israel. Everyone always used to say how blessed America was. America was blessed because her God was the LORD [Psalm 33:12], until she let the Jews sneak in and DEFILE her [Micah 4:11]. I HIGHLY recommend everyone read this. He doesn't seem to see the hidden at hand at work: US GOVT., CITY OF LONDON, AND ISRAEL, but then I suspect this was written several years ago, and hardly anyone knew the truth about 9/11. I knew it was an inside job [US GOVT.] seconds before the Pentagon blew up, but I didn't know about Israel and the UK, yet, either.
PLEASE, EVERYONE, READ THIS. THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST IN 1607 AT CAPE HENRY, VIRGINIA WITH THE FIRST VIRGINIA CHARTER AND THE CROSS THAT WAS PLANTED IN HIS NAME. WE ARE ISRAEL RESTORED, AND THE PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY NEED TO PUT THEIR TRUST IN JESUS CHRIST, NOT IN HORSES AND CHARIOTS, AND PRAY THIS "MOUNTAIN" BE THROWN INTO THE SEA, AND THAT HE, GOD, WILL BE OUR "WALL OF FIRE" IN THE DESTRUCTION THEY HAVE PLANNED FOR US [ZECHARIAH 2:5]:
If someone could post it, bolded words and all, that would be great.
Another comment.
I posted this "Obama is the AntiChrist" at the "Comet Lulin" 4um thread [The American Economy is Not Coming Back.....because God has a new role for us, after He brings us through this: Rev. 5:9-10].
Under "Lucifer is a Hoax":
".....here we have a whole city being thrown down from heaven to hades, their grave. And so it is with the King of Babylon whose "pomp is brought down to the grave" (Isa. 14:11). These two Scriptures are exact parallel thoughts.
Now then, back to "lucifer." Just what is the Hebrew word found in the manuscripts that the translators turned into the Latin word Lucifer? It is very interesting. All of you with a Strong’s Concordance, look up this word Lucifer. Right after the word Lucifer we are given a definition before we ever go to the Dictionary to find the meaning. Here is what you will find: Lucifer (lu’sif-ur) {1} Title applied to king of Babylon.
Clearly the editor of Strong’s Concordance realized that this word (whatever it means) is to be applied to the "king of Babylon," and NOT TO SATAN THE DEVIL!
We are told that the word in question is Strong’s #1966 which is heylel, from 1984 [halal] (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star:--Lucifer.
What a web of deceit is woven in this "light-bringing-brightness-morning-star-Lucifer" theory. This word "Lucifer" appears no other place in Scripture. Was Satan ever spoken of as a "light-bringing perfect archangel"? No. What saith the Scriptures?
"And no marvel; for Satan himself is TRANSFORMED into an angel of light" (II Cor. 11:14).
Satan is NOT an angel of light, neither has he ever been! It is the "false apostles, DECEITFUL workers" Ver 13, that DECEIVE people into believing lies. Satan appears as an angel of light to the world; he is transformed into an angel of light, but it is an illusion, it is not true, it is a deception!
Paul expels any such theory that Satan knows anything about "light":
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against power, against the RULERS OF THE DARKNESS of this world" (Eph. 6:12).
Rev. 16:10 is but the continuation of the same Babylonian beast that we read about in Isa. 14:
"and the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast [Babylon] and his kingdom was FULL OF DARKNESS…"
So what is this heylel/halal of Isa. 14:12? Here is the problem—too many translations of previous translations without checking the Hebrew manuscripts first.
Lucifer is the Latin Vulgate translation of the word "xosphoruos" in the Septuagint, which is a Greek version of the Hebrew of Isaiah 14:12, which the King James translators then translated over into the English as "Lucifer."
The Latin and the Greek, as well as a supposed form of a "Hebrew" word in verse 12 mean "bright shiner" or "shining one." The problem is, however, that Isa.14:12 was not written in Latin or Greek, but Hebrew. And I assure you that "lucifer" is not a Hebrew word, nor is it an English translation of a Hebrew word. Lucifer is Latin, and is related to a group of Latin derived English words including lucid, luciferin and luciferose, as we saw defined above, all of which suggest brightness or shining. Likewise xosphoros in the Greek derived English words such as, fluorescence and phosphorescence.
But, there seems to be no Hebrew or Aramaic text in which there is a word in this verse to correspond. What we find in all such texts is the word "hehlehl,’ eill, which is a form of the Hebrew stem "yah-lahl," ill. And what is the meaning of "ill"? Are you ready? It means HOWL. That’s right, "Lucifer" turns out to be nothing more than a "howl" (maybe of ‘hot air’)!
It has been suggested that the translators of the Septuagint (Hebrew into Greek) could have overlooked the smallest of the Hebrew letters or been using a copy in which it had been inadvertently omitted. Thus if the form of the world eill, as it occurs in this particular text, were shortened to ell its meaning would be derived from a different root, in fact would be itself a different root, and the sense given in the Septuagint and the Vulgate would be at least understandable, with one giant exception. There is still absolutely no reason or rule of grammar for turning this word into a personal name! It could possibly mean "a shining one," but not a personal name such as "Lucifer." Doubtless the translators followed the Vulgate as they did in most of their translating.
Even such an eminent translator as Rotherham seemed to follow the Septuagint in this verse, however, from his comments within parenthesis, it is clear that he was fully aware of the fact that whatever this word meant, it was referring to none other than the context of these verses which is Babylon and not Satan:
"How has thou (Babylon—see context) fallen from heaven, O Shining One (O howl)—Son of the Dawn! (Babylon conspicuous as Venus). Hewn down to the earth, O crusher of nations."
Clearly the reference is to Babylon and none other. It was Babylon which was exalted to heaven (as conspicuous as Venus, the brightest star of the morning) in her wealth, power, and glory. Yet just as Capernaum, God says she is brought down to the earth, the one who was a "crusher of nations."
Next I will list the King James renderings of the word that is found in the "Hebrew" texts and transliterations of its various forms in every occurrence in the entire KJV Bible. Now you can be the judge. In all Hebrew or Aramaic texts of Isa. 14:12, the only word found is "heh-lehl," eill, which is a form of the Hebrew stem "yah-lahl," ill, meaning howl. Here is Kittel’s Hebrew Text for the Hebrew Stem ill—"yah-lahl"—HOWL:......."
Note Isaiah 65:14 is one of the passages he lists:
[NIV version because I don't have a KJV handy, and am dragging too slowly to dare try to pull it up]:
14 My servants will sing out of the joy of their hearts, but YOU will cry out from anguish of heart and WAIL [HOWL] in brokenness of spirit. [Think WAILING/HOWLING WALL.]
15 [KJV because I know it by heart] You will leave your name for a curse unto my chosen, for the LORD God shall slay thee, and call His servants by another name.
There are TWO Israels in Isaiah 65: one CURSED, and one BLESSED. It should be obvious by now which is which:
16 Whoever invokes a blessing in the land will do so by the GOD OF TRUTH; [Jesus: I AM THE WAY, THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE]; he who takes an oath in the land will swear by the God of truth [three words: KOL NIDRE OATH]....
I find the "HOWL" thing intriguing because there is a mystery ROAR FROM OUTER SPACE, according to NASA. Knowing THE LION [Jesus] WILL ROAR, I have listened to it, but didn't know what to make of it. I hate to say it, but it sounded kind of creepy, more like a moan, or possibly a HOWL. I still am unsure what to make of it, and NASA might even be lying, but after reading this, I was reminded that the DEVIL also ROARS, seeking whom he may devour. He is probably howling right about now, knowing his time is very, very short.
Thanks again for posting that link.
I am going to try to post a new article that seeks to debunk this Obama as Antichrist thing. Antichrist in the Bible is ANYONE who rejects Christ. Obama is related to most of the Presidents and the British Monarchy and Charlemagne and a host of other ANTICHRIST people. He could be the CHIEF PRINCE of them all, a title that could have fit Clinton and Bush as well, and since time is so short, maybe he is "THE Antichrist".....I don't know.
[written today]
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speechhttp://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the House of Israel didn't go to Babylon in the ancient world....the tribes of Judah and Benjamin did. The House of Israel went into Assyria.
Jews, historically speaking, are the tribe of Judah. That's where the name comes from. This is why the name Israel doesn't really describe the modern state accurately.
I think Isaiah 14 is a prophecy for the "House of Israel" today, and the King of Babylon/Lucifer referred to is Satan's last tool against the "House of Israel" [and could very well be Obama]. The House of Israel today is the church, particularly the church in America, and we have "gone to Babylon" [ bible.cc/micah/4-10.htm , bible.cc/zechariah/2-7.htm ], as we are living under the Babylonian Talmud:
Hmmmm...this is the section of Isaiah that is the Oracle of Nations, namely, telling Israel how God will deal with the nations and empires. There is another section that is the Oracle of Israel and so on. The prophetic books of the OT are divided up this way in sections and this is the literary style of the prophetic books and how we recognize them as a body of prophetic Jewish writings. Trying to apply these to Gentiles, as though somehow their intended audience was not the Jews living in the Mideast in ancient times, is just a little wacky. If that were true, then Jews were not even then a Chosen People because God wasn't even addressing them in the prophetic books, He was just using them as a way to transmit a message to modern flapadoodle apocalyptics who have read too many Left Behind books, pretty much American evangelicals and charismaniacs and the whole Christian Zionist rabble in America.
My personal belief is that "antiChrist" refers to ALL who deny Christ.
I'm not sure why you consider that a "personal belief" since scripture states very plainly that large numbers of persons then and in times to come would be antichrists, of a spirit to oppose the teachings of Christ and persecute His followers.
Obama is related to Bush and Cheney, and most of the other Presidents, and the British Monarchy, and Charlemagne, and a whole host of antiChrist people.
You're trying to muster a historical argument here but the message of scripture is consistent: have nothing to do with antichrists, know them by their rejection of scriptural doctrine and correction by brethren, know the signs and behavior of false brethren, and expect to be persecuted if you follow Christ. This is the same in all ages and eras, even in so-called Christian nations.
I see he, too, recognizes America as the New Israel.
This is Puritan thinking, the idea of America as a new Promised Land and as City On A Hill, as enjoying God's particular blessing, etc.
It is nothing new. You can read the Puritan leaders and preachers if you want to find more on it. Focus on those like Cotton Mather and his father, Increase Mather.
You also find that these teachings were used to justify sweeping away the native Indians and taking their land, the Monroe Doctrine, right down to the present day "nation-building" we engage in, though rather selectively. Nation-building is most favored by God apparently in close proximity to oilfields, oil reserves, and oil pipelines.
You really should review the extensive history of the American apocalyptic and its variations, how those interact with imperial and business interests throughout our history.
Jews, historically speaking, are the tribe of Judah. That's where the name comes from. This is why the name Israel doesn't really describe the modern state accurately.
I will have to get back to this, but quick note:
HISTORICALLY, no, I can't do that quickly..... "JEWS" were NOT the tribe of Judah.
More importantly, they are NOT the true Jews today. Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah; He is the head of the clan; those who have rejected Him are NOT His seed: Isaiah 53:10/.Galatians 3:16-29 A TRUE JEW is one who is circumscribed in His Heart, taken hold of the NEW COVENANT, where GOD's Laws are written in their HEARTS and NOT the RABBI's TALMUDIC laws.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speechhttp://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
I've read enough about the "Puritans" et al from the Northern Kingdom of America to know they were the ones Christ warned us to BEWARE OF.
They were spiritual, if not genetic descendants of the ones who led the first Israel astray.
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speechhttp://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
I could be wrong but my readings suggest that God blesses people not countries.America like Israel has embraced the concept of "Exceptionalism" to justify all manner of sin's
I could be wrong but my readings suggest that God blesses people not countries.America like Israel has embraced the concept of "Exceptionalism" to justify all manner of sin's
HISTORICALLY, no, I can't do that quickly..... "JEWS" were NOT the tribe of Judah.
I don't care what you can or can't do.
The word Jew comes to us via Aramaic and Hebrew, the words 'yehudi' and 'yehudah' or Judah in modern terms. These words are the basis for the modern word Jew via ancient Greek and then to Latin and Old French.
American exceptionalism From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Progress of America, 1875, by Domenico Tojetti
American exceptionalism (def. "exceptionalism") refers to the theory that the United States occupies a special niche among developed nations[1] in terms of its national credo, historical evolution, political and religious institutions and unique origins. The roots of the term are attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville,[2] who claimed that the then-50-year-old United States held a special place among nations, because it was a country of immigrants and the first modern democracy.[citation needed] The term itself did not emerge until after World War II[3] when it was embraced by neoconservative[4] pundits in what was described in the International Herald Tribune as "an ugly twist of late".[5] More recently, President Barack Obama noted that "I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism."[6] He also said that "there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive."[7] Research shows that "there is some indication for American exceptionalism among the [U.S.] public, but very little evidence of unilateral attitudes".[8]
Build a fire for a politician/bankster/pig and he will be warm for a day. Set a politician/bankster/pig on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life.
2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
It takes YEARS of study in a seminary to be able to change "all" to hardly anyone.
You are deceptive. Jesus gave himself for everyone. Everyone doesn't accept his sacrifice. For wide is the way to hell and narrow the way to heaven. I think the words specifically were for wide is the way that leadeth to destruction and narrow is the gate to life. Or something like that.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Build a fire for a politician/bankster/pig and he will be warm for a day. Set a politician/bankster/pig on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life.
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.
Build a fire for a politician/bankster/pig and he will be warm for a day. Set a politician/bankster/pig on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life.