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Title: Zionists Poisoned/Radiated 100,000 Sefardi Jewish Children
Source: Rense.com
URL Source: http://www.rense.com/general67/radd.htm
Published: Aug 17, 2005
Author: Barry Chamish
Post Date: 2005-08-18 10:40:56 by Red Jones
Keywords: Poisoned/Radiated, Zionists, Children
Views: 401
Comments: 58

Zionists Poisoned/Radiated 100k Jewish Children

Zionists Poisoned/Radiated 100,000 Sefardi Jewish Children

By Barry Chamish

8-17-5

100,000 RADIATIONS - A REVIEW

On August 14, at 9 PM, Israeli television station, Channel Ten, broke all convention and exposed the ugliest secret of Israel's Labor Zionist founders; the deliberate mass radiation poisoning of nearly all Sephardi youths.

The expose began with the presentation of a documentary film called, 100,000 Radiations, and concluded with a panel discussion moderated by TV host Dan Margalit, surprising because he is infamous for toeing the establishment line.

Film Details:

100,000 Radiations, released by Dimona Productions Ltd. in 2003.

Producer - Dudi Bergman Directors - Asher Khamias, David Balrosen

Panel Discussion Participants

A Moroccan singer was joined by David Edri, head of the Compensation Committee for Ringworm X-Ray Victims, and Boaz Lev, a spokesman for the Ministry Of Health.

Subject:

In 1951, the director general of the Israeli Health Ministry, Dr. Chaim Sheba flew to America and returned with 7 x-ray machines, supplied to him by the American army.

They were to be used in a mass atomic experiment with an entire generation of Sephardi youths to be used as guinea pigs. Every Sephardi child was to be given 35,000 times the maximum dose of x-rays through his head. For doing so, the American government paid the Israeli government 300,000 Israeli liras a year. The entire Health budget was 60,000 liras. The money paid by the Americans is equivalent to billions of dollars today.

To fool the parents of the victims, the children were taken away on "school trips" and their parents were later told the x-rays were a treatment for the scourge of scalpal ringworm. 6,000 of the children died shortly after their doses were given, the many of the rest developed cancers that killed them over time and are still killing them now. While living, the victims suffered from disorders such as epilepsy, amnesia, Alzheimer's disease, chronic headaches and psychosis.

Yes, that is the subject of the documentary in cold terms. It is another matter to see the victims on the screen. ie. To watch the Moroccan lady describe what getting 35,000 times the dose of allowable x-rays in her head feels like.

"I screamed make the headache go away. Make the headache go away. Make the headache go away. But it never went away."

To watch the bearded man walk hunched down the street.

"I'm in my fifties and everyone thinks I'm in my seventies. I have to stoop when I walk so I won't fall over. They took my youth away with those x-rays."

To watch the old lady who administered the doses to thousands of children.

"They brought them in lines. First their heads were shaved and smeared in burning gel. Then a ball was put between their legs and the children were ordered not to drop it, so they wouldn't move. The children weren't protected over the rest of their bodies. There were no lead vests for them. I was told I was doing good by helping to remove ringworm. If I knew what dangers the children were facing, I would never have cooperated. Never!"

Because the whole body was exposed to the rays, the genetic makeup of the children was often altered, affecting the next generation. We watch the woman with the distorted face explain, "All three of my children have the same cancers my family suffered. Are you going to tell me that's a coincidence?"

Everyone notices that Sephardi women in their fifties today, often have sparse patchy hair, which they try to cover with henna. Most of us assumed it was just a characteristic of Sephardi women. We watch the woman on the screen wearing a baseball-style hat. She places a picture of a lovely young teenager with flowing black hair opposite the lens. "That was me before my treatment. Now look at me." She removes her hat. Even the red henna can't cover the horrifying scarred bald spots.

The majority of the victims were Moroccan because they were the most numerous of the Sephardi immigrants. The generation that was poisoned became the country's perpetual poor and criminal class. It didn't make sense. The Moroccans who fled to France became prosperous and highly educated. The common explanation was that France got the rich, thus smart ones. The real explanation is that every French Moroccan child didn't have his brain cells fried with gamma rays.

The film made it perfectly plain that this operation was no accident. The dangers of x-rays had been known for over forty years. We read the official guidelines for x-ray treatment in 1952.

The maximum dose to be given a child in Israel was .5 rad. There was no mistake made. The children were deliberately poisoned. David Deri, makes the point that only Sephardi children received the x-rays.

"I was in class and the men came to take us on a tour. They asked our names. The Ashkenazi children were told to return to their seats. The dark children were put on the bus."

The film presents a historian who first gives a potted history of the eugenics movement. In a later sound bite, he declares that the ringworm operation was a eugenics program aimed at weeding out the perceived weak strains of society. The film now quotes two noted anti-Sephardi racist Jewish leaders, Nahum Goldmann and Levi Eshkol.

Goldmann spent the Holocaust years first in Switzerland, where he made sure few Jewish refugees were given shelter, then flew to New York to become head of the World Jewish Congress headed by Samuel Bronfman. According to Canadian writer Mordecai Richler, Bronfman had cut a deal with Prime Minister Mackenzie King to prevent the immigration of European Jews to Canada.

But Levi Eshkol's role in the Holocaust was far more minister than merely not saving lives. He was busy taking them instead. From a biography of Levi Eshkol from the Israeli government web site:

"In 1937 Levi Eshkol played a central role in the establishment of the Mekorot Water Company and in this role was instrumental in convincing the German government to allow Jews emigrating to Palestine to take with them some of their assets - mostly in the form of German-made equipment."

While world Jewry was boycotting the Nazi regime in the '30s, the Jewish Agency in Jerusalem was propping up Hitler. A deal, called The Transfer Agreement, was cut whereby the Nazis would chase Germany's Jews to Palestine, and the Labor Zionists would force the immigrants to use their assets to buy only German goods. Once the Jewish Agency got the German Jews it wanted, those they secretly indoctrinated in the anti-Judaism of Shabtai Tzvi and Jacob Frank, they let the Nazis take care of the rest of European Jewry. The Holocaust was a eugenics program and Levi Eshkol played a major role in it.

The Moroccan lady is back on the screen. "It was a Holocaust, a Sephardi Holocaust. And what I want to know is why no one stood up to stop it."

David Deri, on film and then as a panel member, relates the frustration he encountered when trying to find his childhood medical records.

"All I wanted to know was what they did to me. I wanted to know who authorized it. I wanted to trace the chain of command. But the Health Ministry told me my records were missing."

Boaz Lev, the Health Ministry's spokesman chimes in, "Almost all the records were burned in a fire."

So, let us help Mr. Deri trace the chain of command. But now I must intrude myself in the review.

About six years ago, I investigated the kidnapping of some 4500, mostly Yemenite immigrant infants and children, during the early years of the state. I met the leader of the Yemenite children's movement, Rabbi Uzi Meshulum, imprisoned for trying to get the truth out. He was later returned home in a vegetative state from which he has not emerged. He told me that the kidnapped children were sent to America to die cruelly in nuclear experiments.

The American government had banned human testing and needed guinea pigs. The Israeli government agreed to supply the humans in exchange for money and nuclear secrets. The initiator of Israel's nuclear program was Defence Ministry director-general Shimon Peres.

Rabbi David Sevilia of Jerusalem corroborated the crime and later, I even saw photos of the radiation scars on the few surviving children, and the cages the infants were shipped to America in.

Just over five years ago I published my belief on the internet, that Israel's Labor Zionist founders had conducted atomic experiments on Yemenite and other Sephardi children, killing thousands of them. Almost three years ago, I published the same assertion in my last book, Save Israel!. I suffered much scorn for doing so. However, I was right.

We return to the documentary. We are told that a US law in the late '40s put a stop to the human radiation experiments conducted on prisoners, the mentally feeble and the like. The American atomic program needed a new source of human lab rats and the Israeli government supplied it.

Here was the government cabinet at the time of the ringworm atrocities:

Prime Minister - David Ben Gurion Finance Minister - Eliezer Kaplan Settlement Minister - Levi Eshkol Foreign Minister - Moshe Sharrett Health Minister - Yosef Burg Labor Minister - Golda Meir Police Minister - Amos Ben Gurion

The highest ranking non-cabinet post belonged to the Director General Of The Defence Ministry, Shimon Peres.

That a program involving the equivalent of billions of dollars of American government funds should be unknown to the Prime Minister of cash-strapped Israel is ridiculous. Ben Gurion was in on the horrors and undoubtedly chose his son to be Police Minister in case anyone interfered with them.

Now let's have a quick glance at the other plotters, starting with the Finance Minister Eliezer Kaplan. He handled the profits of the operation and was rewarded for eternity with a hospital named after him near Rehovot. But he's not alone in this honor.

The racist bigot Chaim Sheba, who ran Ringworm Incorporated, had a whole medical complex named after him. Needless to say, if there is an ounce of decency in the local medical profession, those hospital names will have to change.

Then there is Yosef Burg, who the leaders of the Yemenite Children's movement insist was the most responsible for the kidnappings of their infants. As Health Minister, he certainly played a pivotal role in the Ringworm murders. That would go a great way to explaining the peculiar behavior of his son, the peacemaker, Avraham Burg.

Let us not forget Moshe Sharrett, who had Rabbi Yoel Brand arrested in Aleppo in 1944 for proposing a practical way to save 800,000 Jews trapped in Hungary. Sharrett's most cited quote is, "If Shimon Peres ever enters this government, I will tear my clothes and start to mourn." Several Yemenite Children activists told me Sharrett was referring to the kidnapping of the Yemenite children when he made this statement.

And other amateur historians have told me that Levi Eshkol openly and proudly announced his belief in the tenets of Shabtai Tzvi, but try as I have, I haven't tracked down a citation. However, we do know of Eshkol, that during the period of the radiations, he served first as Settlement Minister, then took over from Kaplan as Finance Minister. From his bio:

"In 1951 Eshkol was appointed Minister of Agriculture and Development, and from 1952 to 1963 - a decade characterized by unprecedented economic growth despite the burden of financing immigrant absorption and the 1956 Sinai Campaign - he served as Minister of Finance. Between 1949 and 1963, Eshkol also served as head of the settlement division of the Jewish Agency. In the first four years of statehood, he was also treasurer of the Jewish Agency, largely responsible for obtaining the funds for the country's development, absorption of the massive waves of immigrants and equipment for the army."

In short, Eshkol was the person most responsible for Israel's immigrants, the ones he sent to radiation torture chambers. Finally, there is Golda Meir. We don't know her role, but she was in on the secret and rewarded for it. Note that every prime minister thereafter until 1977, when the honorable Menachem Begin was elected, came from this cabal. And note also, that no one from what is called the Right today, was privy to the slaughter of the Sephardi children.

Apply that lesson to a contemporary fact: It is the descendants of these butchers who brought us the Oslo "peace" and are determined to wipe out the settlers of Judea, Samaria and Gaza as surely as they had dealt with the inferior dark Jews who came into their clutches fifty years before. Now try and imagine it is 1952 and you are in a cabinet meeting. You will be debating whether to send the Yemenite babies to America for their final zapping, or whether to have them zapped here. That is what the Luciferian, satanic Sabbataian founders of our nation were prattling on about when they got together to discuss the affairs of state.

After the film ended, TV host Dan Margalit tried to put a better face on what he'd witnessed. Any face had to be better than what he had seen. He explained meekly, "But the state was poor. It was a matter of day to day survival." Then he stopped. He knew there was no excusing the atrocities the Sephardi children endured.

But it was the Moroccan singer who summed up the experience best. "It's going to hurt, but the truth has to be told. If not, the wounds will never heal."

There is one person alive who knows the truth and participated in the atrocities. He is Leader Of The Opposition Shimon Peres, the peacemaker. The only way to get to the truth and start the healing is to investigate him for his role in the kidnapping of 4500 Yemenite infants and the mass poisoning of over 100,000 Sephardi children and youths.

But here is why that won't happen. It is a miracle that 100,000 Radiations was broadcast at all. Clearly though, someone fought for it but had to agree to a compromise. The show was aired at the same time as the highest-rated show of the year, the final of Israel's, A Star Is Born. The next day, there was not a word about 100,000 Radiations in any paper, but the newly-born star's photo took up half the front pages.

That's how the truth is buried in Israel, and somehow, these tricks work. The same methods were used to cover up the Rabin assassination.

However, a few hundred thousand people saw the film on their screens and they will never forget the truth. If the Rabin assassination doesn't bury Labor Zionism for good, then 100,000 Radiations eventually will.

end

A decent background piece on the subject of the Ringworm Holocaust is found at:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/458044.html

Click here to read about Israel's Labor Zionist founders and ringworms...

http://www.barrychamish.com/html/ringworms.html

and here to read about Israel's Labor Zionist founders selling the Yemenite Jewish children...

http://www.barrychamish.com/html/yemanite.html

I cover the subject and explain the motivations for the evil on my new audio CD and video called The Dirty Secrets Of Oslo.

I'm getting my first reactions and they are strong. Here are two:

"I've listened to your CDs twice so far, and will do so again. You speak truth. I know that."

"Hi Barry, I have listened to your CD twice now. You need to somehow get this word out. I don't know how. After listening to this, I have more admiration and respect for you than ever. You have managed to put things together in the right perspective. You have broken into something that answers many questions that I have always had. We have to get this word out somehow. If you can think of anything that I can do to help you, please do let me know."

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#18. To: Starwind (#16)

You will of course show us Starwind's quotes wherein Starwind has defended poisoning select ethnic groups, and likewise show us Starwind's quotes wherein Starwind denied Israeli terrorists set off bombs in Egypt Iraq and elsewhere?

Why are you 'talking' in the third person? Reminds me of a Seinfeld episode.

I Keep Forgettin'

Zipporah  posted on  2005-08-18   18:53:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Zipporah (#18)

Reminds me of a Seinfeld episode.

Seems to be the nature of the thread :-/

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-08-18   18:55:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Red Jones (#12)

George Bush is both christian and satanist.

Do you have evidence that Bush worships Satan?

Aside from clear and convincing evidence, the sort that would never reach the media in the first place, I'll have to go with his assertation that he's a Christian. A warmongering Christian? Yes. A petty, feebleminded Christian? Yes again. A self-serving, glad-handing, nepotistic Christian? Yes, yes, and yes.

But just because a Christian does some bad things or acts like a jerk, it doesn't mean they get kicked out of the club. Or am I misinterpreting your religion?

PS: I doubt that many of his objectionable actions were even his idea. I think he's just along for the ride. A proper Satanist, now, is a lot more clever.

They're lying to you.

Indrid Cold  posted on  2005-08-18   19:00:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Starwind (#19)

FWIW, I've always thought of you as the voice of reason, I mean, apart from the fact that you're a Christian and all. I always appreciate the research you do to support your case or just throw out there for general perusal.

They're lying to you.

Indrid Cold  posted on  2005-08-18   19:04:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Indrid Cold (#21)

Thank you for your kind words.

I try, though often fail, to let Jesus Christ whom I serve be seen in my actions.

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-08-18   19:09:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Starwind (#15)

'most' american christians do support this war. most american christians do go along with bush. and only a few denouce the things Israel's done such as what this article's about. This taints the whole group. Or at least that's how I view it.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-08-18   20:31:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Indrid Cold (#20)

Do you have evidence that Bush worships Satan?

yes, we all do. Bush has publicly acknowledged being part of Skull & Bones. Over 100 years ago a book came out telling that Skull & Bones is a satan worship outfit. Their initiation ceremony has been described in detail both 100 years ago and in recent times. They do satan worship stuff, they say satan worship stuff. It is plain & simple. Bush is with them. He won't denounce skull & bones, he acknowledges membership. And a bunch of books have pegged that group for what it is. People have come out of skull & bones and talked about it, that is why the books were written.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-08-18   20:34:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Indrid Cold (#20)

I mean when you lay in a coffin and tell a priest you want to die to yourself and be born again in satan, then that's pretty clear. Published reports about Skull & Bones say that is exactly one of the things they have done in their ceremonies. and bush will not denounce this organization. what more evidence do you need?

Red Jones  posted on  2005-08-18   20:35:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Starwind (#5)

This was not a deliberate poisoning but at worst careless applied science

Starwind, you're wasting my time. You made this quote above. I guess every word you say has no meaning if I am to take your objections seriously. You're defending attempts to murder people based on their ethnic background with this quote above. there is no excuse whatsoever for the things described in this article above. Yet you make excuses. This is all I need to know about you.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-08-18   20:38:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Indrid Cold (#20)

Why Christians Should Not for George W. Bush

Excerpt:

Not every person who professes to be a Christian is one. Faith without works, without tangible deeds of obedience, is dead faith – it is the faith of devils. (James 2:10-24) Jesus asks, “Why do you call me Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?” (Luke 6:46) “Ye shall know them by their fruits. Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matthew 7:16-20) If the fruit is evil, then the tree is evil. Jesus calls us to make these judgments. “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment,” said Christ in John 7:24. If we gullibly embrace every profession of faith in spite of evidence to the contrary, we will never be able to distinguish the sheep from the “wolf in sheep’s clothing.” (Matthew 7:15)

George W. Bush professes to be a Christian, goes to church, makes references to Bible verses, and says, “God bless America,” but so did Bill Clinton, so this alone cannot be sufficient to win the vote of Christian conservatives. Like Clinton, George Bush’s fruit was evident to all with eyes to see during his campaign against Gore. Many Christians were undoubtedly innocently ignorant of George W. Bush’s liberal tendencies and therefore easily susceptible to his conservative rhetoric, but far too many were willfully blind to his bad fruit. Pragmatism took precedence over God’s Word and the principles of conservatism when conservatives the nation over supported and voted for the most electable candidate over the only blessable, anointable candidate, and as you will see in the course of this article, the roots of tyranny have deepened in America as a result. The guilt for the daily encroachment on God-given rights to life, liberty, and property, under President Bush’s leadership, can be laid squarely at the foot of the professing church. If there was ever any doubt about the liberal sway of George W. Bush before his Presidency, that doubt should be well cleared up by now for all but only the willfully naïve.

Honor Our Troops, Respect Their Lives

christine  posted on  2005-08-18   20:40:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Indrid Cold (#20)

Do you have evidence that Bush worships Satan?

I think monkey boy truly believes those voices are "God". :)

His closest advisors, however, do seem to be holding to some evil plan for world domination, but I'm not willing to claim they even believe in satan, much less worship such a thing. I have to agree with Red, there is definitely some occult dogma attached to groups like Skull and Bones, which was also involved in Opium War, British loyalists in Connecticutt, go figure.

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-08-18   20:44:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: christine, robin, Zipporah, tom007, Jethro Tull, Flintlock (#27)

The order of Skull and Bones founded with opium money

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-08-18   20:47:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Dakmar (#29)

Good find Dak - nice site too.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-08-18   20:51:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Dakmar (#29)

Yep and the illegal drug trade continues to fund the black budget.

I Keep Forgettin'

Zipporah  posted on  2005-08-18   20:52:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Jethro Tull (#30)

Major John Singlaub, boy his name sure pops up when drugs are around. Seems to me he was heavily involved in Guns for Cocaine trade in the 80's.He became rather upset with the Christic Foundation when they began the disclosure in the 80's. Dennis Kucinich has a staff member that represented this group in the courts,and was said to have sold the group out.

From yale/opium link above.

Singlaub, I remember that name but haven't heard it for years, prolly since last High Times I bought, about 1995 best guess. Before I go google it, I'll bet sixty-one points that Singlaub was evil.

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-08-18   21:00:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: christine (#27)

Hey even satan quoted God's word: Genesis 3:1, quote Psalm 91 when Jesus was in the wilderness and satan tried to tempt him Matthew 4:5 and when Jesus confronted the demons they were in fear of Him Luke 8:27 - 33. And in James 2:19 says:

You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.

So quoting scripture and believing and knowing there is a God and Jesus is the son of God doesnt make one a Christian. Just as what you quoted said, by their fruit ye shall know them.

Gen. 3:1) and he quoted Psalm 91 when he tried to tempt Jesus in the wilderness (Matt. 4:6). Whenever Jesus confronted demons, they were afraid of him (Luke 8:27-33), and James 2:19 says, "You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder." James 2:19

I Keep Forgettin'

Zipporah  posted on  2005-08-18   21:01:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Dakmar (#29)

The order of Skull and Bones founded with opium money

I never had any doubt these people were drug dealers.

They bring it in by the plane load with impunity, but if you get caught with a couple grams you're off to the big house.


Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?

Flintlock  posted on  2005-08-18   21:04:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Dakmar (#32)

I'll bet sixty-one points that Singlaub was evil.

I'll bump you six hundred and five points to make it an even 666 points.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-08-18   21:07:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Flintlock (#34)

They bring it in by the plane load with impunity, but if you get caught with a couple grams you're off to the big house.

And to make matter worse, I my evil twin really had ringworms but I didn't.

New Jersey Turnpike, ridin' on a wet night `neath the refin'ry's glow Out where the great black rivers flow License, registration: I ain't got none But I got a clear conscience `bout the things that I done

Mister state trooper, please don't stop me Please don't stop me, please don't stop me Maybe you got a kid, maybe you got a pretty wife The only thing that I got's been both'rin' me my whole life Mister state trooper, please don't stop me Please don't stop me, please don't stop me

In the wee, wee hours your mind get hazy Radio relay towers lead me to my baby The radio's jammed up with talk show stations It's just talk, talk, talk, talk, till you lose your patience

Mister state trooper, please don't stop me

Hey, somebody out there, listen to my last prayer Hiho silver-o, deliver me from nowhere

"State Trooper" - Bruce Springsteen

You ever hear Cowboy Junkies version of that? Shivers....

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-08-18   21:10:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Jethro Tull (#35)

Oh Singlaub, yes, I'd forgotten all about that...

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-08-18   21:11:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Dakmar (#36)

You ever hear Cowboy Junkies version of that? Shivers....

Not yet. But thanks to the miracle of *Limewire*, I will shortly.

as Arnie would say "I'll be back"


Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?

Flintlock  posted on  2005-08-18   21:16:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Dakmar (#36)

Cowboy Junkies version of that? Shivers....

It kind of starts out a little Doorsy, like Riders on the Storm, I'm a little surprised with the female vocals, it seems like a song a guy would sing.

I mean, if I understand the song, the singer is saying he'll kill the cop if he gets stopped.

Yadda, Yadda, they'll never take him alive.


Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?

Flintlock  posted on  2005-08-18   21:32:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Flintlock (#39)

Morgo has most beautiful voice I've ever heard, if you got the studio version that was real early stuff recorded in a garage they'd turned into a recording studio. I suggest you find live version of "A Horse in the Country" to understand the depth I'm trying to convey about this Cowboy Junkie band.

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-08-18   21:39:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: All (#40)

Morgo, duh, sorry, Margo

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-08-18   21:40:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Dakmar (#41)

Whew.. I'm glad you corrected that! I thought you meant MORGO.. I was getting worried :P

http://bidpa.org/m-l.htm

I Keep Forgettin'

Zipporah  posted on  2005-08-18   21:46:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Dakmar (#40)

I suggest you find live version of "A Horse in the Country"

It's a great song and she has a very pretty voice.

Thnaks


Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?

Flintlock  posted on  2005-08-18   21:57:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Red Jones (#26)

You are now trying to revise history. Go reread your own posts. Your original statement in post #4 was:

and the pastor told us that whatever punishment was doled out to the palestinians by the israelis was the judgement of god. and I say shame on the christians.

Then you attempted in your post #10 to revise your meaning of "the christians" to become:

As a group there are many many christian leaders who will support Israel no matter what. We're not allowed to notice this characteristic of the American christians?

And now you attempt to revise again in your post #23 for what American christians should be ashamed:

'most' american christians do support this war. most american christians do go along with bush. and only a few denouce the things Israel's done such as what this article's about. This taints the whole group. Or at least that's how I view it.
You have gone from what 'your pastor falsely taught you', to 'christian leaders who will support Israel no matter what', to 'most american christians who support this war (notice also your slide away from what Israel does to Palestinians to "this war") and Bush'. Ignoring all along that increasingly Americans don't believe Bush's WMD war justification anymore or the continuing war in Iraq anymore. Or is it only Americans but not any American christians who are rejecting what they've been told?

And I said in my post #6 your pastor's teaching was false, didn't I, but you ignored that, didn't you.

You're defending attempts to murder people based on their ethnic background with this quote above. there is no excuse whatsoever for the things described in this article above. Yet you make excuses. This is all I need to know about you.

If the article was factual on the face of its allegation of deliberate murder, you'd have a point.

But to the contrary, I pointed out in my post #5 the false allegations in the article you posted, that it was not deliberate murder of a selected ethnic group. It was radiation therapy for immigrants with scapal ringworm, a therapy used in other countries as well at the time, a therapy with unintended and unforeseen (at the time) long-term cancerous consequences because the science was not as well understood then as it is now.

I further posted articles to that effect which you have ignored, haven't you. And I said that Israel's failure to compensate the victims was inexcusable, but you ignored that as well, haven't you.

And lastly, the article you posted falsely, unscientfically, claims .5 rad to have been an acceptable dosage for children, when in fact science now understands no dosage is safe. None. All the doctors world wide were wrong. Even had .5 rad been used some cancers would have developed, some would have died, and genetic defects would be passed on. But we'd still find Israeli doctors (and only Israeli doctors, not doctors of other countries) still accused of deliberate murder.

Do you seriously believe that Israeli doctors at the time conspired to figure out a way to murder 100,000 immigrants and cleverly decided to use a widely accepted radiation therapy that, surprisingly, only killed a fraction of their patients and maimed the rest? You think they planned that? Is that what passes for your analytical thought?

You claim in your post #12:

I'm typical christian.
Would you then be one of those typical christians who would support Israel no matter what, and also support this war and Bush?

Lest you continue in willful ignorance of the single most important fact, you said in your post #12:

I think the bible is true word of god.
bible says that god and god alone will judge us. the standards he uses are his, not ours'. We don't know those standards.
The bible, which you believe to be the true word of God (and it is), in fact tells us what the standard is by which God will judge us:
John 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 14:6 (NASB) Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

Acts 4:12 (NASB) "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."

Be assured the standard by which God will judge us is belief in, and obedience to, Jesus Christ and no other.

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-08-18   23:07:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Starwind (#44)

Starwind. It is useless to speak with you because you are dishonest even with yourself.

Now, you continually defend this obvious effort at ethnic murder that the Israelis engaged in. And your excuse over it is you say they did this to immigrants only, not to one ethnic group. You are an idiot Starwind. Do you know that virtually all Israelis in 1951 are immigrants. There were two groups of immigrants - those from Europe and those from the middle east. These ethnic cleansing efforts were done entirely against the group from the middle east. The term Sephardic is a racial classification among the jews. They are the middle eastern jews. These people were singled out - because of their race.

You can't deal with the huge flaws that exist among the American christians. These flaws are obvious to the casual observer, and you can't see it. Look at the christians shill for evil, I'm not making this up, this is exactly what they're doing. This is a huge flaw of yours'.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-08-19   0:08:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Red Jones (#45)

Now, you continually defend this obvious effort at ethnic murder that the Israelis engaged in. And your excuse over it is you say they did this to immigrants only, not to one ethnic group. You are an idiot Starwind. Do you know that virtually all Israelis in 1951 are immigrants. There were two groups of immigrants - those from Europe and those from the middle east. These ethnic cleansing efforts were done entirely against the group from the middle east. The term Sephardic is a racial classification among the jews. They are the middle eastern jews. These people were singled out - because of their race.

From the article I posted:

Like those affairs, it is a symbol of the arrogant and alienated attitude of the veteran Ashkenazi (Jews of European origin) establishment in the 1950s toward the new immigrants from the Arab countries. And like those affairs, this one refuses to die away.

The government radiation campaign began in the late 1940s, when a fear arose in the country of an outbreak of a plague of ringworm, a skin disease that grows in the roots of the hair and quickly spreads among children who live in crowded conditions, with poor hygiene. The prejudices of the establishment toward the Mizrahi (Jews of North African and Middle Eastern origin) immigrants contributed both to intensifying this fear and to the means used to solve the problem.

Yes there were two ethinic groups, yes the Mizrahi (or Sephardic) were singled out and given treatments, but no, not because of their race or a deliberate mass murder attempt or planned ethnic cleaning (sheesh), but because they had a contagious disease resulting from their prior squalid living conditions (not unlike the squalid living conditions in other countries that today give rise to other diseases).

Which part of "contagious disease" resulting from squalor do you not understand?

Why don't you prove to us all what an idiot I am and refute the scientific studies I posted? Demonstrate how it was deliberate calculated conspiracy by Israeli doctors to commit mass murder, and you'll be a hero, maybe even win a Nobel or Pulitzer.

And while you're at it, show us all why doctors of other countries using the exact same therapies at the time are not likewise guilty of deliberate calculated murder, just the Israeli doctors are guilty.

You can't deal with the huge flaws that exist among the American christians.

False. I never said they did not have flaws, nor were their flaws your original complaint.

No, your original complaint was your "pastor told us that whatever punishment was doled out to the palestinians by the israelis was the judgement of god. and I say shame on the christians." And I denounced it, didn't I. I said that teaching was in fact false, and that your pastors teaching did not shame all christians, just himself, but you are still scurrying around trying to find cover from your changing story. Your blind anger at Jews (regardless of the facts) has spilled over as equally blind anger at christians (again regardless of the facts). Your words were:

This taints the whole group. Or at least that's how I view it.

That is prejudice in its simplist form. Judging entire groups for the perceived (let alone proven) acts of a few (Israeli doctors and your pastor in this case).

Look at the christians shill for evil, I'm not making this up, this is exactly what they're doing.

I'd be happy to discuss the failings of genuine Christians as well as so-called christians, but then that wasn't your original complaint, and you very well know it.

And while you personally may not be "making this up", you don't show much discernment in critically analyzing what someone else has made up, especially when it feeds your prejudice.

(The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)

Starwind  posted on  2005-08-19   1:03:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Red Jones (#24)

Over 100 years ago a book came out telling that Skull & Bones is a satan worship outfit. Their initiation ceremony has been described in detail both 100 years ago and in recent times. They do satan worship stuff, they say satan worship stuff.

I don't think any reputable author today would state that Skull & Bones has anything to do with Satanism. Some religious whacko like Texe Marrs might, but no reputable author.

FWIW, I found this detailed "whitepaper" here, which gives a pretty matter-of-fact look at S&B: http://www.parascope.com/articles/0997/skullbones.htm

They're lying to you.

Indrid Cold  posted on  2005-08-19   11:28:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: christine (#27)

Buuuuuut, he's not a Satanist. He's just a bad Christian.

They're lying to you.

Indrid Cold  posted on  2005-08-19   11:30:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Dakmar (#28)

I have to agree with Red, there is definitely some occult dogma attached to groups like Skull and Bones, which was also involved in Opium War, British loyalists in Connecticutt, go figure.

Well, yeah, but I engage in such occult activities on a regular basis, yet never have sworn fealty to Satan.

I mean, c'mon--it's the 21st century. If somebody wants to worship Gerhard, the god of global domination, let's not mistake him for Satan.

Oh, I know--the Christian bit is that we're all *unknowingly* worshipping Satan. We're just not as bright as the snake-handlers, I guess. Well, have fun in your own reality, guys.

Everything I know about being crooked, I learned from the Government.

Indrid Cold  posted on  2005-08-19   22:18:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Indrid Cold (#49)

British loyalists in Connecticutt

Well now, this really explains a great deal. They've always been traitors.

One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?

robin  posted on  2005-08-19   22:20:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: robin (#50)

They've always been traitors.

Erin Go Braugh, Robin ! A Guinness on me...and the IRA !

“Under this roof are the heads of the family of Rothschild, a name famous in every capital of Europe, and every division of the globe." -Benjamin Disraeli

Eoghan  posted on  2005-08-19   22:24:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: Indrid Cold (#49)

Elites engaging in ritual torture and whatnot, doesn't that pique your interest just a tad? These aren't factory workers or stereo salesmen we're talking about here, I think people have the right to know these things before casting their vote.

How was that for syrupy? :)

Yet you know I'm right, even if just this one time.

We should thank the Nazis for giving us all those stark, frightening images. How else we gonna learn not to act like that? On the other hand, monkey see...

Dakmar  posted on  2005-08-19   22:28:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Eoghan (#51)

Freedom for all from this decaying, disgusting, evil plague of a so-called 'elite'.

One if by land, two if by sea...how many if they are already here?

robin  posted on  2005-08-19   22:29:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: robin (#53)

evil plague of a so-called 'elite'.

Peace in your heart, and sure eyed and trigger finger...

“Under this roof are the heads of the family of Rothschild, a name famous in every capital of Europe, and every division of the globe." -Benjamin Disraeli

Eoghan  posted on  2005-08-19   22:35:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Dakmar (#52)

Elites engaging in ritual torture and whatnot, doesn't that pique your interest just a tad?

Oh, make no mistake--I know they're scum. And I know the game is rigged.

I'm just saying that Red associating Bush with Satanists is an insult to Satanists.

If you've ever read Anton LaVey's "Satanic Bible", then you'll know that Satanists are part carny, part Klingon. S&B is just a bunch of dilletentes pulling the wool over the sheeples' eyes.

Everything I know about being crooked, I learned from the Government.

Indrid Cold  posted on  2005-08-19   22:37:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Indrid Cold (#47)

Skull and Bones is a cult where they practice satanic rituals. Bush and many of his elitist cronies also take part in these same types of ritualistic ceremonies at Bohemian Grove. If engaging in those types of things isn't indicative of being a Luciferian, I don't know what is. A true believer in Christ would not participate in this.

Honor Our Troops, Respect Their Lives

christine  posted on  2005-08-19   23:23:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Indrid Cold, Dakmar (#49)

I certainly appreciate that it is crazy that all those guys mentioned in the article, including Reagan, Eisenhauer and I think maybe even Herbert Hoover and Mark Twain even used to go to this place - It's crazy to think that ALL of the people who go are into these dark religions that have been called 'pagan' for centuries. But it is not crazy to think that a small group that actually runs the bohemian grove is in a completely non-christian and anti-christian religion. The owl they do refer to as Molech. In old testament when 'law' is laid down it says 'do not worship Molech'. and bush is a christian on a stage smiling in front of Molech. But carter was up there too socializing at this place. And I certainly think Carter is likely a 'christian' who merely associates with them for the sake of being in power, not for 'religious' purposes. But with Bush family because of long-term association with Skull & Bones and persistent evil in participation with new world order (babylon) schemes I would think it likely that the bush family are among the elite inner circle that do take this anti-christian religion seriously.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-08-19   23:30:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: christine (#56)

I have read that in 1829 there was a big meeting of people in these dark religions sometimes called 'satan' worshiping in New York City. A fellow gave a paper and and talk that they would found a group to be called 'commune' and would do the evil types of things communists did in russia & china, etc.

The founder of the Skull & Bones society started the opium trade with china and dominated it in fact. Historian Anthony Sutton and Webster Tarpley have documented in books that other skull & bones'ers helped the communists of russia to come to power in a big way. The same is true for other skull & bones'ers being involved in the american conspiracy to help the nazis come to power.

All for a group so small, their members create inordinate amounts of evil. and their members go to the bohemian grove.

Red Jones  posted on  2005-08-19   23:43:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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